Thank you sir for your many well made & informative videos, particularly the ones talking about the Franklin WH battery! You speak very well & have provided me with excellent information! Thank you VERY much!
Hi RecarroJames, We will soon be opening pilot opportunities for Caribbean market. Register at www.FranklinWH.com/apply to receives the latest update to your market.
Please continue with these comparisons. Not only the comparison is great, also the elaboration on the features gives thoughts on what is possible and what we need.
Tesla has introduced the virtual power plant (VPP) in California and South Australia. Maybe you can explain the value of that in a future video. Very informative video's and not too long. Great start to a purchase decision.
Franklin looks fantastic, but (for a consumer) their website is frustrating. Also, it would be great to see them have more customer experience videos online. Let's see people discussing the installation, their experiences working with Franklin, the product, etc!
Hi nifty stuff! We are launching a new version of the website in the next couple weeks. It’ll be more self explanatory. To be honest, we’ve been blown away at fast quickly this Is being adapted. I guess 3 years of r & d allowed us to roll out with zero return product so far. Here is an installer in Hawaii putting it on his home th-cam.com/video/Hru_u3MY7PQ/w-d-xo.html
Awesome side by side video - Thanks! This information helps a lot, and FYI been watching since we started looking into solar....and have subsequently installed an 18kW solar system and now seriously considering the Franklin with 2X batteries and an A Controller.
Seeing EV vehicles on fire on the side of the road makes me believe the #1 reason to go with Franklin (currently) is the type of battery. LiFePO4 is incombustible. It can withstand high temperatures without decomposing. It’s not prone to thermal runaway, and will keep cool at room temperature.
Really like your very informational but no BS presentations. I understand that the Tesla Powerwall is not available unless you also get their solar shingles ? Has this changed ? And, one of either of these are not going to power your whole home. More than one will be needed. Is the output power rating at 240 VAC or can you get half on either 120 VAC leg ? Looks like the Tesla surge power is very low. Only 9/7.6 = 1.2 times. But didn't hear how LONG that surge was for. Franklin surge is much better at 2 times. But still not sure how LONG that surge is. Could be a second or could be 30 minutes. House backup and surge is important. Also not hearing the word "inverter" or inverter/charger which these units must have.
The Powerwall is available through Certified Regional Installers with or without solar. With Tesla direct service (where available) it requires solar to be included at the same time. ("Retrofit" traditional solar or solar shingles(if available in that specific area)). 240V. Spec sheet does not give a time. Simply states "106 A LRA for each Powerwall".
I would go with the Franklin because they use LFP batteries while Tesla uses Lithium NMC (see reply by Solar Surge to a comment below). LFP batteries have a longer cycle life, can charge to 100% without abuse, use no cobalt and aer more resistant to catching on fire. LFP's do weigh more but for stationary use it's of no real concern. LFP batteries do lose more power in extremely cold enviroments which could be a consideration in cold climates if you don't have a warmer place to install it.
Just had the Enphase placed on our home system. Three years ago shopped for a home build with battery back up. The sells staff who came to the house were shocked and would not build a grid tied solar system with battery back up then. Well that changed this past Feb.
That's great to hear that you had the Enphase system installed on your home! It's amazing how the market has changed and now more options are available for grid-tied solar systems with battery backup. If you're looking for a reliable and versatile home backup power solution, I would recommend checking out the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. It offers a massive capacity, fast recharging, and comprehensive protections, making it ideal for outdoor enthusiasts and RV lovers. It's definitely worth considering for your power needs. Happy camping and family time!
That's great to hear that you found a battery backup system that works for your home! The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series is also a great option for outdoor enthusiasts and RV lovers. It offers a massive capacity, powerful output, and fast recharging. Plus, its waterproof technology and comprehensive protections make it perfect for any adventure. You might want to check it out for your outdoor and camping needs!
SHAME on you for simply awarding the Frankin more points for warranty because it has more years!!! Seriously, you should NOT be encouraging manufacturers to simply slap more years of coverage on warranties with more and more restrictive conditions. Also, when you compare warranty, IMO, you should be comparing the likelihood that warranty will provide any value if its needed (not just the number of years). There's a significant difference between a new privately heald start up with less than 25 employees (Frankin), a company like Tesla, or something like Enphase (with separate insurance underwriting their warranties). Longer warranty time periods do NOT mean a better warranty! Particularly for Frankin with their having some of the most restrictive warranty conditions of any battery manufacturer, specifically related to temperature, data connection, etc. Couple that with their financial uncertainty and your giving Franklin the edge over Tesla here is just ridiculous. IMO, videos like this do not properly inform consumers, and encourage manufacturers to simply offer more restrictive and less valuable warranties with more years taked on. That's not good for consumers, and ultimately not good for you either. Please, please, please stop encouraging such nonsense.
Not to mention TESLA support sucks. They now own our Solar City solar lease and when we wanted to change bank accounts for the monthly auto pay we followed ALL the published instructions and guess what it didn't work and there are NO cust service numbers that can be found on a Google search. Its email or chat, both of which didn't work either. About a month later we got the expected phone call regarding an overdue bill. Sorry, Tesla/Elon Musk is not going to save the world. I just don't understand this cult like Tesla worship.
It’s his channel and he can present things how he sees fit for the time he set aside. Obviously you personally need to do your own due diligence prior to making any large purchase. To come here and try to shame him in the way you did as if he had some sort of sinister intentions is bogus. I would encourage you to find a more productive use of your time.
Also as a major corporation I trust Tesla less. Of course I had a 2004 Ford 6.0 diesel that was a lemon like many of them, and I saw first hand what a major corporation could do to manipulate the arbitration. Interestingly enough when I had a mid 90's KTM motorcycle that the had problems under warranty and the shop couldn't figure it out they bought it back. No "fixed" arbitration with the smaller Austrian company under the same vehicle laws. Bigger not always better, it would be hugely different if Tesla had any kind of good customer service. I live in Reno and know people that work at the gigafactory, shitty quality control.
Thinking of building new home. Could you review green hydrogen generator system. Want to use the hydrogen to heat water, cook and generate power. Australia is starting this technology. House built in UK also testing. We want to be totally off grid including water catchment system.
The Franklin system consists of the battery AND a smart switch, two different boxes. Just checking that the price used for the comparison includes the smart switch, since that got extra points.
Yes, we take into account all costs for a complete installation. The Franklin solution includes the aGate and the Tesla solution includes the Tesla Power Gateway.
Yes, definitely need the aPower switch to compare, so not quite as elegant (2 boxes) and cost needs to be considered if it's not already. EnPhase 10 comparison would be much more useful, as it also has a similar outboard switch requirement. Installed cost range would at least be nice too.
Great review! The Franklin product looks interesting, but Powerwall is the clear winner in my view. Everything is integrated, it all “just works” and Tesla is now rolling out Virtual Power Plant capability. I’ll concede the AC generator integration is really cool and an advantage for Franklin. I’d counter that if you’re considering integrating an AC generator, then you’re almost certainly better off just getting an additional Powerwall. For example, I was looking into SPAN’s smart circuit breaker box which allows users to control individual breakers in the event that you need to load-shed. After pricing it out, I discovered I wouldn’t have to load shed if I just bought two Powerwalls and it was cheaper than one Powerwall plus SPAN.
Derek, interesting analysis. We appreciate your interest. Span has a great product, but at a cost of 4-5k+ I’m not sure how that and a powerwall “just working” beats Franklin with controllable loads on the appliances that actually need shedding. Additionally, our system is all fully integrated, including ATS for generator and supportive of bi-directional charging. That being said, new technology is a tough grasp for some. The word in the street with installers is ours is significantly easier to install, and zero dc wiring saves $ as well. Same with VPP integrator . Just a firmware update away. Best wishes, we like to think maybe Tesla isn’t quite the “clear winner” you make it out to be, but can’t win em all!
Clear winner seems to be kinda strong. Seems that use case would be the determining factor. Franklin would be great for someone who has an existing system or existing AC generator or off grid. The scalability alone puts it ahead of the Powerwall for a person like that. Hopefully they can push some more continuous power with an update a some point. Because It will start the 4 ton A/C unit but the A/C by itself will be push it close to the limit on continuous power and I'm guessing it will just shut off. So that's bad. I think 7.6kw seems to be a good median. So + for the Powerwall since Tesla increased that. Spending that much on a second battery for 2.6kw makes it really expensive if it's someone with an existing A/C generator. You should be able to run your house until the battery dips to a set point and then start the generator. But if you are going with the whole setup solar and battery it would seem to make sense to go with Tesla for the all in one
Yah. I think the VPP is the killer argument. Makes the entire system way more affordable than it seems at first. Even beyond the mere financials: people with home solar and home battery likely think beyond themselves - and VPPs just offer that additional way to help others/fight climate change on a community level.
When I had my solar and Power wall installed I just had them put what I wanted backed up in the new panel inside the disconnect and what wasn’t critical leave outside in my original panel. It was really easy all 120v load inside and all 240v loads outside. So I got almost perpetual backup with only one Power Wall and no SPAN. Having used the system for almost two years now I am now thinking I should have gotten the second Power Wall and it would have gotten me forever back up capability and central AC on my BU. Since I haven’t lost power in the almost two years since I had it installed it isn’t really an issue. I just like the idea of being able to divorcing from the grid if they make staying to onerous.
Does Franklin integrate with smart panels like Lumin or Span? It’s hard to do whole house back up without having some kind of energy tracking system in the main panel/sub panels of the house. For example, if the homeowner goes on vacation, they should be able to see the loads digitally in case of a grid outage or extreme usage cases, etc.
the aGate has built-in 2 heavy duty load controls including one 50A and one 80A 2pole circuits. user can remotely turn on/off. or emergency shut off base on timer or battery level. if it is not enough, FWH system is fully compatible with SPAN panel, we haven't tested with Lumin, but technically they should work together well.
Ok, but where’s you negative X-factor point(s) for a new and unproven product. That is definitely something that customers worry about with this type of pricey tech.
Excellent review on both systems. The only question that I have is do they work good in high temperatures? During summer months, the temperature rises to an average of 115°F. Which of the two batteries would work better in that environment?
Hi there! I feel the heat with you in my hometown of Phoenix. We have upgraded the warranty language to remove heat restrictions, as our product has performed robustly in hot conditions, mostly due to the high quality LFP and cooling system. In this case I’d like to think we might have an advantage…
Good Review! 👍 Does the Franklin solution have a smart power arbitrage feature to take advantage of ToU rates? Can you do a review of the Tesla Powerwall - Virtual Power Plant Feature with your opinions on this feature? I realize the Powerwall Virtual Power Plant feature is still in beta. I'm mainly interested to know if this feature is worth the extra wear on the battery life or if most customers are better off not participating.
Great question- yes, our app allows you to program to a multitude of rate combos. Whether it’s easing demand, or arbitrage, we have several modes like backup mode, TOU mode, etc. Keep in mind our Battery management system can be updated easily for future changes via firmware. Aka…your vpp question
Thats correct - the FranklinWH solution does offer a Time of Use operational mode. This ToU mode is one of the primary reasons customers in California (and other expensive electricity markets) buy the FWH batteries. When coupled with a solar PV system, the FranklinWH system can further reduce your utility bill toward $0.00 using the ToU mode by supplying your home with reserved electricity during the critical 4pm to 9pm window.
Hi Kathleen. Please reach out via solarsurge.net/schedule-call OR info@franklinwh.com. We'd be happy to connect you with a locally registered dealer including in Massachusetts.
Hi Kathleen! I believe Solar Surge services Massachusetts, but if they don’t, we do have partner certified installers across the US and happy to assist.
@@justinfranklinwh4969 Hi Justin, We will reach out to Franklin via contact info on the website. But... can you tell me if Franklin is owned by the Chinese? Or if manufactured in China?
Great presentation. Interesting, thorough and professionally presented. I have one quick question: Is it possible to connect wind generators to the system? I’m thinking about the newer silent vertical style generators. Thanks.
Joe, we have two newly installed Franklin battery cases on the north exterior side of the house. Should we be concerned about the late afternoon sun exposure to the western side edge of the first case? Haven't found anything in TH-cam that discusses any concerns of a battery pack being installed on the external side of a house.
One of the issues not discussed in this video. I have been told by several people. If you have multiple power walls and one of them fails, they all fail. If this is true this is a huge issue for People who own multiple Tesla power walls.
If your AC is a significant power sucker than you need to upgrade your AC. My espresso machine has much higher power draw than my heat pump in cooling mode.
what does it mean by 'whole home' its confusing. I suppose all the storage systems can be powering the whole house if the capacity and power is enough, is that correct ?
Items I didn't see discussed but would like to know: what is the installation cost for an installer on the Tesla Powerwall vs the Franklin WH and why I should I look at either when I could purchase a Solark 15K with say another lifepo4 battery supplier and a battery rack with 5kwh batteries in series and adjust accordingly to my power needs.
Excellent side by side review. It sounds like the Franklin may have a LF inverter vs. the HF type. As a Conext XW+ user, I'll always favor the low frequency type with a BIG transformer. How may load control relays does the Franklin have?
Hey Bentley-relays on all the connections, but for the sheddable smart circuits, it’s 2 50 amp 120v and 80 amp 240v Suitable for large appliances, or less critical loads You can control all 3, through the app. 6 cts through the system, 2 Revenue grade CTs on PV and main 200 connection
Sure, you can start with one battery module, then add more in the future. Traditionally, we were told not to mix batteries more than 6 months apart in the same bank. However, with the new battery management software, the unbalanced charging issue has been resolved.
hi James, the LRA of each aPower unit is 110A, stacking will multiple these numbers. So any appliances power draw under this value can be started, but may also want to budget in other home loads in conjunction when doing load calculation. The soft-start function is built-into the aPower unit and you do not need to purchase seperate soft-starter.
went to both tesla and franklin sites, neither would post price of battery, i know theres more to go with but i see no reason not to publish the price. not good business
DIY raw cells are a waste of time in my opinion. For a DIY project, you can find good, very affordable manufactured solar panels on Amazon or eBay or via a wholesale distributor like Bay Wa.re or CED Greentech.
Would love to see more detail on the aGate. As we know, power management is critical to functionality and the Tesla Gateway is superb, the EnPhase IQ Controller is solid and getting better, the Solaredge BUI is meh. What in the max ACPV per inverter? OCPD is 30A correct?
What is the Franklin's battery chemistry? LiFePo4 has superior recharge life, more usable charge span and temperature survivability spread. Also, does Franklin work with the SPAN computerized breaker box product. I'm enthused about the Franklin's alternative/additive energy source capability
I have a buddy that has a tesla car and a Tesla solar system. Which system do you think would be the best and lowest cost. The Tesla is $15074 where we live. Thanks
That’s certainly one of a few things homeowners really appreciate. With that being said, remember that an AC will use a lot of energy. That’s why we include the smart circuits so if the battery gets too low, it will shut that off so you don’t drain completely and maintain power. For more then 4-5 hours of ac use, we recommend two aPower.
I have one Tesla Powerwall 2+ and can run my 28 year old inefficient 4.5 ton AC with no problem. Remember the PW has higher sustained load. The AC takes 5000 watts. I still have headroom to also run Microwave, TVs, Fridge, lights, etc.
@@P51 Nope. The PW 2 plus (which is what we have) basically has a similar short term surge capacity available for the whole house, rather than something for single AC unit
The power wall is tried and tested. The Franklin is from a new startup which has been around since 2019. I'd be hesitant to invest 30 or 40k into a system when it's hard to discern if the company will be around in 12 years.
Tesla's famously terrible customer service doesn't make me comfortable. I realize this varies by location, but i would rather choose my own contractor. I'm not afraid to use a newer manufacturer, if well reviewed. Power storage is no longer a new product, and the industry's technology is advancing rapidly.
@@Miata822 another great point. If Franklin can offer premium customer support and listen to their customer, get valuable and improve on their product, they'll be around for a long time
@@RayonWhittaker next point I’d like to make is that if Franklin fails when needed then what do you do? Again it’s not tested or proven. You end up having to get it fixed over and over and over again. Again this is a company that was created a few months before Covid then didn’t do much during Covid. So how can you know it’ll actually work the way it’s supposed to. With Tesla even if their customer service is bad; it’s so popular and with a lot more customers the answers are easier to find and might not even require a Tesla rep to help. 9 times out of 10 the Tesla power wall installer is a 3rd party and not Tesla itself
@@officialjeremiahrussell I've been doing some reading and researching and I see where FranklinWH currently offers training on their systems. They also seem to be focused on having experienced and existing 3rd party installers trained on their products and install them to offer/include that added support.
Hi there! Keep in mind, the FranklinWH is certainly functional in off-grid applications, and has built in 4g which will allow for service updates and firmware improvements.
For solar, which brand/type inverters have you tested with the FranklinWH System and are there any inverters highly recommended on your list at this time?
Anything any one company can control at a distance is not a good investment. Tesla can basically tell you "nope, your power wall is now out of business, because the government doesn't like you".
We certainly like to think we’ve improved upon the current standard in safety, function, and strength. We know people love Elon, but for those desiring more function, and willing and ready to move the next technology, we’re here for you!
How much do each cost? You didn't mention this in video but give it different scores. They both have same capacity so is Franklin less then $7k in cost?
Hi Mushaz. The cost depends on where you are buying. Most solar installers will purchase this from a solar wholesale distributor like CED Greentech. I don't think Franklin is selling direct to homeowners at this point. Let us know if you need a quote for an installation here in the US. solarsurge.net/schedule-call
One question I have with all these Units is, if there was Major grid down situation, were, Cell service wasn’t available, are they accessible by a Bluetooth connection, if Bluetooth still works with a Grid down Situation? Just a thought.
Not a fair comparison. Powerwall 2+ is a PW2 + solar inverter. 7.6kW power is achieved only during off-grid operation while solar is producing and battery discharging. Otherwise the battery itself is 5.8kW. If we are talking about the AC COUPLED battery that will work with any solar system let's compare PW2 with Gateway to FRANKLIN APower with AGate. The specs than are more on par, and only than you can use existing solar of any brand inverter to charge battery. Sure it's nice to have TESLA PW+ provide 7.6kW but that means retrofitting existing solar with TESLA inverter and rapid shutdown. If you have existing solar best way is to install TESLA PW2 with TESLA GATEWAY, or FRANKLINWH APower with AGate. Thank you Tesla and FranklinWH certified installer
Well I might pick that too the Franklin but I also think about the blue Eddie 300 two of them with eight batteries with 24 kilowatts a backup power and batteries alone with two inverters that are run 3000 Watts that's 6,000 Watts combined together but I think it's only $5,600 watts in an extra run would have to get actually four blue Eddie's with all their batteries which would be 16 batteries and all the solar panels actually charge them up but the way that's looking that would be like 43,000 but that doesn't include all the Philippines you hook up to it and each battery get it hook up 60 amps to it besides the 2400 Watts I can go to each inverter all 200 w solar panels. Boy that take me 10 years to save up that kind of money to buy that.
Reached out to Solar Surge for information. Had a great zoom meeting with an agent. He said he would follow up on the zoom meeting with some actual bids for systems. Never heard from him again. Sent a follow up email to him asking what happened - but got no reply. Oh well - I moved on to other options.
With a low LRA on the AC I am able to run the Powerwall* almost all night, I run the whole house at night, and still have the option to run a generator.
With respect to the Franklin Whole House Battery, and on backup mode. how many batteries does it take to power up a 5 ton AC unit? Thanks in advance and thanks for providing these informative videos on harnessing solar energy.
So i have been ghosted by my sales guy who will not reply to emails asking for a quote after we spoke on the phone on July 12th. How can I contact someone that can help me, or do i just need to look into other companies?
Unusually they will give you a quote after coming out to your house. You might need to contact another company. Usually the people that ghost you are charging premium prices and want a sucker.
I got ghosted by my Solar Surge consultant, also. We had a zoom meeting, and he told me he had options for me and would send me proposals. I got nothing. This happened last July. In September, I wrote to him and asked what happened and got no reply. When these things happen, I always try and figure out why? I made a guess (nothing to support this mind you) that my project was simply not profitable enough for the consultant and he, therefore, dropped me.
The Franklin ESS seems like a very viable solution. I am a little dubious of a 5kW continuous inverter being called a "Whole Home Backup" system. But as they are stackable it can be expanded to become a true WHB. I would like to see an in depth analysis of the mode and operational features of these ESS batteries. How they monitor the consumption of the home and such. I really like your evaluations especially of the battery systems
Bryan! Thanks for joining the conversation. I had the same concerns as you, and in a lot of cases, two batteries will allow larger homes over 1300-1500 sq feet to operate much more comfortably, without fear of losing the charge quickly. In short outages, there will likely not be loss of power with the 16ms transfer between connections. That being said, the 10 seconds 10kw surge can be surprisingly strong and handle most loads up to a 4 ton ac. We hope to publish an app demo soon to help everyone easily understand the process. For people living in sunny, high producing areas that get by on a 3-6kw DC this is the perfect whole home solution. You can always shed the loads
@@justinfranklinwh4969 I retired earlier this year and was the Product Manager for the Darfon H5001 and HB51 inverters that Panasonic sells as their Evervolt ESS. When I was introduced to the H5001 inverter I questioned its size as well. The surge capacity is very good and work fine I suspect in an off grid situation with load shedding. I have used and recommended the Lumen Smart product for such operation but apparently your inverter has that function built in. I looked on the website to get more information but couldn't find anything specific.
TESLA monitors the Powerwall and if you lose internet for two days, the unit will turn off until you contact Tesla. Why does no one talk about the EG4 batteries from Signature Solar or the Growatt Batteries? Both are 5kw and at $1700 the price puts Tesla to shame.
I'm not choosing one way or the other but one thing to note is if you need more power that 10kW continuous to run your home on backup you would need 3 of the Franklin compared to just 2 of the Tesla. That is something that would need to be factored in to making a decision. Good video, thanks.
@@tombailey2674 How long did you have to wait? I read for practical purposes the wait was so long as to be almost impossible to get. I got one Power Wall with my 4Kw solar system that I had considered getting two with and now I am thinking I should have gone with my first idea. Also after having the system for almost two years a second Power Wall would allow me to disconnect from the utility if I wanted to without any significant worries about running out of power without a backup generator.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 I gave the Tesla Certified dealer the go ahead At the beginning of May the deposit to go ahead. At the start of June they did a site visit. Estimated they would receive the equipment around the beginning of August. Still waiting to hear back if County has approved the permit and if equipment has arrived. When I started this the tax credit was 26% and going to 22% next year. Now with the latest proposal the tax credit may go to 30% for the next 10 years.
Ordered Tesla Powerwalls direct from Tesla in March of 2020. Still waiting for the install. I have heard so many excuses from them - and at one point a Tesla project manager said, "we are only shipping Powerwalls to customers who order solar panels as well (I already have solar panels on the roof) so you might want to go with another company's option." I was astonished - a Tesla project manager telling me to go to another company. When I spoke to the next Tesla project manager she said that was absolutely false and they would be installing "very soon" - that was over a year ago. I think the first one was telling the truth and the second one was doing a better job following the script.
@@tombailey2674 My mother-in-law has been trying to just get Tesla solar installed all year. We had the roof redone in the spring and wanted to get the solar installed to make part of the new roof tax deductible, but it looks now that that will be a failure. My wife is planning to cancel the project if it isn’t completed before the end of the year.
Would it be good to get like maybe 15 or 17 Franklin power walls batteries I mean I got 17 batteries and it's not enough to prom a house of course the 1,000 amps 135 amp hours and the wrong kind of batteries for solar panels inverters of the house or RVs or bolts or whatever or maybe not for both so much because that's what they are asking more of is a boat battery for fishing and if we can get like 12 of them or 18 of them if we got to connect them together as if it's like a regular battery which I think they should be wouldn't that be better but how much would they actually cost cuz I don't got a lot of money that's why I ever start batteries at 1,000 amp for one for 135 amp hours because they only cost me $93 and some odd cents as of 2022 do you win up five and a half dollars from last year of course they went up $4 from a year or two before because I was paying $84 for him of course I want more than 1,000 amp batteries 435 amp hours I want more I'd rather have batteries like they used to be 1,350 amps that being amp I was a little bit more to about 175 amp hours at least that's the better used to buy for my trucks no I can't even find them no anymore they were better for my truck than he's thousand amp batteries I'll be buying them for my shoulder then too of course I got some I mean I did start by getting in a solar 24 years ago when everything was made out of gold I guess and cost that gold but it's not actually gold it's just solar panels.
Another great video. Thank you. One thing I would have mentioned (maybe you did and I missed it) is that the Franklin WH chemistry is not only safer in terms of fire danger, it should be longer lasting too, which is no doubt why they're offering the longer warranty. Franklin guarantees 70% capacity after 12 years with unlimited cycles, while Tesla guarantees 70% after 10 years, with a believe a max 10k cycles. In every respect, the Franklin is superior or the equal to the Tesla system. Tesla PW, you have been dethroned!
*I love the Input/Output wattage function along with the % of charge remaining. solar **Generater.Systems** Well done.*
Thank you sir for your many well made & informative videos, particularly the ones talking about the Franklin WH battery! You speak very well & have provided me with excellent information! Thank you VERY much!
This is a very interesting comparison. The whole home concept is something that we desire here in Jamaica 🇯🇲
And we look forward to Powering the great people of Jamaica into the future!
Hi RecarroJames, We will soon be opening pilot opportunities for Caribbean market. Register at www.FranklinWH.com/apply to receives the latest update to your market.
@@EryLemba Game changer if you do that for sure
@@justinfranklinwh4969 future is now Jamaica break deal with electric cars BYD
Please continue with these comparisons. Not only the comparison is great, also the elaboration on the features gives thoughts on what is possible and what we need.
I would love to see solar surge add Louisiana to the states it serves
I can help you out!
Tesla has introduced the virtual power plant (VPP) in California and South Australia. Maybe you can explain the value of that in a future video.
Very informative video's and not too long. Great start to a purchase decision.
Not well known yet but Tesla is also working with APS in Arizona for battery backup. Should be announcing a VPP program once their pilot is done.
Franklin looks fantastic, but (for a consumer) their website is frustrating. Also, it would be great to see them have more customer experience videos online. Let's see people discussing the installation, their experiences working with Franklin, the product, etc!
Hi nifty stuff!
We are launching a new version of the website in the next couple weeks. It’ll be more self explanatory. To be honest, we’ve been blown away at fast quickly this Is being adapted. I guess 3 years of r & d allowed us to roll out with zero return product so far.
Here is an installer in Hawaii putting it on his home
th-cam.com/video/Hru_u3MY7PQ/w-d-xo.html
We will work on this in the future. Check FranklinWH's LinkedIn page for more customer experience content.
Agree, their web page is not friendly
Their website is a joke, essentially zero information
Awesome side by side video - Thanks! This information helps a lot, and FYI been watching since we started looking into solar....and have subsequently installed an 18kW solar system and now seriously considering the Franklin with 2X batteries and an A Controller.
Seeing EV vehicles on fire on the side of the road makes me believe the #1 reason to go with Franklin (currently) is the type of battery. LiFePO4 is incombustible. It can withstand high temperatures without decomposing. It’s not prone to thermal runaway, and will keep cool at room temperature.
Really like your very informational but no BS presentations.
I understand that the Tesla Powerwall is not available unless you also get their solar shingles ? Has this changed ?
And, one of either of these are not going to power your whole home. More than one will be needed.
Is the output power rating at 240 VAC or can you get half on either 120 VAC leg ?
Looks like the Tesla surge power is very low. Only 9/7.6 = 1.2 times. But didn't hear how LONG that surge was for. Franklin surge is much better at 2 times. But still not sure how LONG that surge is. Could be a second or could be 30 minutes.
House backup and surge is important.
Also not hearing the word "inverter" or inverter/charger which these units must have.
The Powerwall is available through Certified Regional Installers with or without solar. With Tesla direct service (where available) it requires solar to be included at the same time. ("Retrofit" traditional solar or solar shingles(if available in that specific area)). 240V. Spec sheet does not give a time. Simply states "106 A LRA for each Powerwall".
Isn’t the better question ‘are they suitable for your home’ instead of which is better? If they both do the job then both are great.
I would go with the Franklin because they use LFP batteries while Tesla uses Lithium NMC (see reply by Solar Surge to a comment below). LFP batteries have a longer cycle life, can charge to 100% without abuse, use no cobalt and aer more resistant to catching on fire. LFP's do weigh more but for stationary use it's of no real concern. LFP batteries do lose more power in extremely cold enviroments which could be a consideration in cold climates if you don't have a warmer place to install it.
Tesla is also going to use LFP for stationary. Also, except for 100% charge, rest of the things don't matter to the consumer.
Just had the Enphase placed on our home system. Three years ago shopped for a home build with battery back up. The sells staff who came to the house were shocked and would not build a grid tied solar system with battery back up then. Well that changed this past Feb.
That's great to hear that you had the Enphase system installed on your home! It's amazing how the market has changed and now more options are available for grid-tied solar systems with battery backup. If you're looking for a reliable and versatile home backup power solution, I would recommend checking out the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. It offers a massive capacity, fast recharging, and comprehensive protections, making it ideal for outdoor enthusiasts and RV lovers. It's definitely worth considering for your power needs. Happy camping and family time!
That's great to hear that you found a battery backup system that works for your home! The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series is also a great option for outdoor enthusiasts and RV lovers. It offers a massive capacity, powerful output, and fast recharging. Plus, its waterproof technology and comprehensive protections make it perfect for any adventure. You might want to check it out for your outdoor and camping needs!
SHAME on you for simply awarding the Frankin more points for warranty because it has more years!!!
Seriously, you should NOT be encouraging manufacturers to simply slap more years of coverage on warranties with more and more restrictive conditions. Also, when you compare warranty, IMO, you should be comparing the likelihood that warranty will provide any value if its needed (not just the number of years). There's a significant difference between a new privately heald start up with less than 25 employees (Frankin), a company like Tesla, or something like Enphase (with separate insurance underwriting their warranties).
Longer warranty time periods do NOT mean a better warranty! Particularly for Frankin with their having some of the most restrictive warranty conditions of any battery manufacturer, specifically related to temperature, data connection, etc. Couple that with their financial uncertainty and your giving Franklin the edge over Tesla here is just ridiculous.
IMO, videos like this do not properly inform consumers, and encourage manufacturers to simply offer more restrictive and less valuable warranties with more years taked on. That's not good for consumers, and ultimately not good for you either. Please, please, please stop encouraging such nonsense.
Tesla strictly monitors there equipment for the price, Tesla is grossly overpriced compared to the Growatt ir EG4 batteries.
Not to mention TESLA support sucks. They now own our Solar City solar lease and when we wanted to change bank accounts for the monthly auto pay we followed ALL the published instructions and guess what it didn't work and there are NO cust service numbers that can be found on a Google search. Its email or chat, both of which didn't work either. About a month later we got the expected phone call regarding an overdue bill. Sorry, Tesla/Elon Musk is not going to save the world. I just don't understand this cult like Tesla worship.
It’s his channel and he can present things how he sees fit for the time he set aside. Obviously you personally need to do your own due diligence prior to making any large purchase. To come here and try to shame him in the way you did as if he had some sort of sinister intentions is bogus. I would encourage you to find a more productive use of your time.
Question I have, is I see Tesla powerwalls outside homes.. can Franklin be installed outside or must it be inside home?
Also as a major corporation I trust Tesla less. Of course I had a 2004 Ford 6.0 diesel that was a lemon like many of them, and I saw first hand what a major corporation could do to manipulate the arbitration. Interestingly enough when I had a mid 90's KTM motorcycle that the had problems under warranty and the shop couldn't figure it out they bought it back. No "fixed" arbitration with the smaller Austrian company under the same vehicle laws.
Bigger not always better, it would be hugely different if Tesla had any kind of good customer service. I live in Reno and know people that work at the gigafactory, shitty quality control.
Thinking of building new home. Could you review green hydrogen generator system. Want to use the hydrogen to heat water, cook and generate power. Australia is starting this technology. House built in UK also testing. We want to be totally off grid including water catchment system.
Tesla Powerwall 2 is more expensive than Franklin WH??? How is that? Please explain. Thank you.
You forget somthing the Franklin can you install outdore , for some People will it be nice to save space indore
No talk of cost - at least give a range
The Franklin system consists of the battery AND a smart switch, two different boxes. Just checking that the price used for the comparison includes the smart switch, since that got extra points.
Yes, we take into account all costs for a complete installation. The Franklin solution includes the aGate and the Tesla solution includes the Tesla Power Gateway.
Yes, definitely need the aPower switch to compare, so not quite as elegant (2 boxes) and cost needs to be considered if it's not already. EnPhase 10 comparison would be much more useful, as it also has a similar outboard switch requirement. Installed cost range would at least be nice too.
Great review! The Franklin product looks interesting, but Powerwall is the clear winner in my view. Everything is integrated, it all “just works” and Tesla is now rolling out Virtual Power Plant capability. I’ll concede the AC generator integration is really cool and an advantage for Franklin. I’d counter that if you’re considering integrating an AC generator, then you’re almost certainly better off just getting an additional Powerwall.
For example, I was looking into SPAN’s smart circuit breaker box which allows users to control individual breakers in the event that you need to load-shed. After pricing it out, I discovered I wouldn’t have to load shed if I just bought two Powerwalls and it was cheaper than one Powerwall plus SPAN.
Derek, interesting analysis. We appreciate your interest. Span has a great product, but at a cost of 4-5k+ I’m not sure how that and a powerwall “just working” beats Franklin with controllable loads on the appliances that actually need shedding.
Additionally, our system is all fully integrated, including ATS for generator and supportive of bi-directional charging.
That being said, new technology is a tough grasp for some. The word in the street with installers is ours is significantly easier to install, and zero dc wiring saves $ as well. Same with VPP integrator . Just a firmware update away. Best wishes, we like to think maybe Tesla isn’t quite the “clear winner” you make it out to be, but can’t win em all!
Clear winner seems to be kinda strong. Seems that use case would be the determining factor. Franklin would be great for someone who has an existing system or existing AC generator or off grid. The scalability alone puts it ahead of the Powerwall for a person like that. Hopefully they can push some more continuous power with an update a some point. Because It will start the 4 ton A/C unit but the A/C by itself will be push it close to the limit on continuous power and I'm guessing it will just shut off. So that's bad. I think 7.6kw seems to be a good median. So + for the Powerwall since Tesla increased that. Spending that much on a second battery for 2.6kw makes it really expensive if it's someone with an existing A/C generator. You should be able to run your house until the battery dips to a set point and then start the generator. But if you are going with the whole setup solar and battery it would seem to make sense to go with Tesla for the all in one
Yah. I think the VPP is the killer argument. Makes the entire system way more affordable than it seems at first. Even beyond the mere financials: people with home solar and home battery likely think beyond themselves - and VPPs just offer that additional way to help others/fight climate change on a community level.
When I had my solar and Power wall installed I just had them put what I wanted backed up in the new panel inside the disconnect and what wasn’t critical leave outside in my original panel. It was really easy all 120v load inside and all 240v loads outside. So I got almost perpetual backup with only one Power Wall and no SPAN. Having used the system for almost two years now I am now thinking I should have gotten the second Power Wall and it would have gotten me forever back up capability and central AC on my BU. Since I haven’t lost power in the almost two years since I had it installed it isn’t really an issue. I just like the idea of being able to divorcing from the grid if they make staying to onerous.
Isn't Powerwall 2+ DC coupled???
The Powerwall 2 which I have is AC coupled.
The new Powerwall 2 Plus is DC coupled not AC as you stated.
Direct connection from Solar panel.
I concur, I think Powerwall 2 Plus is DC coupled
Hello from Texas
Does Franklin integrate with smart panels like Lumin or Span? It’s hard to do whole house back up without having some kind of energy tracking system in the main panel/sub panels of the house.
For example, if the homeowner goes on vacation, they should be able to see the loads digitally in case of a grid outage or extreme usage cases, etc.
the aGate has built-in 2 heavy duty load controls including one 50A and one 80A 2pole circuits. user can remotely turn on/off. or emergency shut off base on timer or battery level.
if it is not enough, FWH system is fully compatible with SPAN panel, we haven't tested with Lumin, but technically they should work together well.
Can you do a head to head of the enphase and Franklin battery, please?
Yes, we will plan on doing this comparison soon.
@@SolarSurge I can't wait. My solar company only uses Enphase and Franklin whole home batteries
What about renogy x battery
Ok, but where’s you negative X-factor point(s) for a new and unproven product. That is definitely something that customers worry about with this type of pricey tech.
Great head-to-head🎯 #Joe ✅ #Franklin🏆.
Excellent review on both systems. The only question that I have is do they work good in high temperatures? During summer months, the temperature rises to an average of 115°F. Which of the two batteries would work better in that environment?
Hi there! I feel the heat with you in my hometown of Phoenix. We have upgraded the warranty language to remove heat restrictions, as our product has performed robustly in hot conditions, mostly due to the high quality LFP and cooling system. In this case I’d like to think we might have an advantage…
Good Review! 👍
Does the Franklin solution have a smart power arbitrage feature to take advantage of ToU rates?
Can you do a review of the Tesla Powerwall - Virtual Power Plant Feature with your opinions on this feature?
I realize the Powerwall Virtual Power Plant feature is still in beta. I'm mainly interested to know if this feature is worth the extra wear on the battery life or if most customers are better off not participating.
Great question- yes, our app allows you to program to a multitude of rate combos. Whether it’s easing demand, or arbitrage, we have several modes like backup mode, TOU mode, etc.
Keep in mind our Battery management system can be updated easily for future changes via firmware. Aka…your vpp question
Thats correct - the FranklinWH solution does offer a Time of Use operational mode. This ToU mode is one of the primary reasons customers in California (and other expensive electricity markets) buy the FWH batteries. When coupled with a solar PV system, the FranklinWH system can further reduce your utility bill toward $0.00 using the ToU mode by supplying your home with reserved electricity during the critical 4pm to 9pm window.
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Joe,
My husband & I would LOVE this Franklin whole house system.
When are you coming to Massachusetts?
Hi Kathleen. Please reach out via solarsurge.net/schedule-call OR info@franklinwh.com. We'd be happy to connect you with a locally registered dealer including in Massachusetts.
Hi Kathleen! I believe Solar Surge services Massachusetts, but if they don’t, we do have partner certified installers across the US and happy to assist.
@@justinfranklinwh4969 Hi Justin, We will reach out to Franklin via contact info on the website. But... can you tell me if Franklin is owned by the Chinese? Or if manufactured in China?
For anyone watching in summer of 2023, the Franklin now costs about $4000 more for a 13.6 than Tesla charges for their 13.3
Great presentation. Interesting, thorough and professionally presented.
I have one quick question: Is it possible to connect wind generators to the system? I’m thinking about the newer silent vertical style generators.
Thanks.
Joe, we have two newly installed Franklin battery cases on the north exterior side of the house. Should we be concerned about the late afternoon sun exposure to the western side edge of the first case? Haven't found anything in TH-cam that discusses any concerns of a battery pack being installed on the external side of a house.
One of the issues not discussed in this video. I have been told by several people. If you have multiple power walls and one of them fails, they all fail. If this is true this is a huge issue for People who own multiple Tesla power walls.
I've owned 2 Powerwall 2's for ≈4 years now. No issues like that.
If your AC is a significant power sucker than you need to upgrade your AC. My espresso machine has much higher power draw than my heat pump in cooling mode.
what does it mean by 'whole home' its confusing. I suppose all the storage systems can be powering the whole house if the capacity and power is enough, is that correct ?
Items I didn't see discussed but would like to know: what is the installation cost for an installer on the Tesla Powerwall vs the Franklin WH and why I should I look at either when I could purchase a Solark 15K with say another lifepo4 battery supplier and a battery rack with 5kwh batteries in series and adjust accordingly to my power needs.
Feel like in stuck in the stone age here in Alabama, trying to get help with adding a system to my home is tough!
soooo..no cost comparison... clickbait... delete.
Excellent side by side review. It sounds like the Franklin may have a LF inverter vs. the HF type. As a Conext XW+ user, I'll always favor the low frequency type with a BIG transformer. How may load control relays does the Franklin have?
Hey Bentley-relays on all the connections, but for the sheddable smart circuits, it’s 2 50 amp 120v and 80 amp 240v
Suitable for large appliances, or less critical loads
You can control all 3, through the app.
6 cts through the system, 2 Revenue grade CTs on PV and main 200 connection
Wondering, can you add a new battery to an older one? I know some small battery applications tell you not to mix.
Sure, you can start with one battery module, then add more in the future. Traditionally, we were told not to mix batteries more than 6 months apart in the same bank. However, with the new battery management software, the unbalanced charging issue has been resolved.
If you add a soft start to a 4.5 ton heat pump, or if you buy an inverter heat pump, can the Franklin battery start the unit?
hi James, the LRA of each aPower unit is 110A, stacking will multiple these numbers. So any appliances power draw under this value can be started, but may also want to budget in other home loads in conjunction when doing load calculation. The soft-start function is built-into the aPower unit and you do not need to purchase seperate soft-starter.
@@EryLemba Thanks Gary! Your post is very much appreciated.
went to both tesla and franklin sites, neither would post price of battery, i know theres more to go with but i see no reason not to publish the price. not good business
What’s your opinion on. DIY raw cells for surge and whole house completely off grid but use grid to charge on Cloudy/rainy days?
DIY raw cells are a waste of time in my opinion. For a DIY project, you can find good, very affordable manufactured solar panels on Amazon or eBay or via a wholesale distributor like Bay Wa.re or CED Greentech.
@@SolarSurge Thanks for the reply. What about lfp 280amh eve or lishen battery cell with Jk bms. Isn’t it cheaper than powerwall?
Would love to see more detail on the aGate. As we know, power management is critical to functionality and the Tesla Gateway is superb, the EnPhase IQ Controller is solid and getting better, the Solaredge BUI is meh. What in the max ACPV per inverter? OCPD is 30A correct?
the max ACPV from aGate is 80A with OCPD at 100A
What is the Franklin's battery chemistry? LiFePo4 has superior recharge life, more usable charge span and temperature survivability spread. Also, does Franklin work with the SPAN computerized breaker box product. I'm enthused about the Franklin's alternative/additive energy source capability
Franklin uses LFP chemistry. I think they are planning to inter-operate with the SPAN panel as well.
I have a buddy that has a tesla car and a Tesla solar system. Which system do you think would be the best and lowest cost. The Tesla is $15074 where we live. Thanks
the advantage to me would be Franklin's ability to run my AC on ONE battery. when the hurricanes come in FL it's really only the AC i miss.
That’s certainly one of a few things homeowners really appreciate. With that being said, remember that an AC will use a lot of energy. That’s why we include the smart circuits so if the battery gets too low, it will shut that off so you don’t drain completely and maintain power. For more then 4-5 hours of ac use, we recommend two aPower.
Yes I thought that was a pretty big deal as well.
I have one Tesla Powerwall 2+ and can run my 28 year old inefficient 4.5 ton AC with no problem. Remember the PW has higher sustained load. The AC takes 5000 watts. I still have headroom to also run Microwave, TVs, Fridge, lights, etc.
@@dudlydoright11 do you have a soft-start compressor kit installed?
@@P51 Nope. The PW 2 plus (which is what we have) basically has a similar short term surge capacity available for the whole house, rather than something for single AC unit
Hi Joe, can you make a video about a comparition between the FranklinWH and RoyPow please?
The power wall is tried and tested. The Franklin is from a new startup which has been around since 2019. I'd be hesitant to invest 30 or 40k into a system when it's hard to discern if the company will be around in 12 years.
This is a very important point
Tesla's famously terrible customer service doesn't make me comfortable. I realize this varies by location, but i would rather choose my own contractor. I'm not afraid to use a newer manufacturer, if well reviewed. Power storage is no longer a new product, and the industry's technology is advancing rapidly.
@@Miata822 another great point.
If Franklin can offer premium customer support and listen to their customer, get valuable and improve on their product, they'll be around for a long time
@@RayonWhittaker next point I’d like to make is that if Franklin fails when needed then what do you do? Again it’s not tested or proven. You end up having to get it fixed over and over and over again. Again this is a company that was created a few months before Covid then didn’t do much during Covid. So how can you know it’ll actually work the way it’s supposed to. With Tesla even if their customer service is bad; it’s so popular and with a lot more customers the answers are easier to find and might not even require a Tesla rep to help. 9 times out of 10 the Tesla power wall installer is a 3rd party and not Tesla itself
@@officialjeremiahrussell I've been doing some reading and researching and I see where FranklinWH currently offers training on their systems.
They also seem to be focused on having experienced and existing 3rd party installers trained on their products and install them to offer/include that added support.
Hey, continuous power is what counts. 5kW vs 9kW for Tesla is a big difference.
Can you compare Lion Energy Sanctuary to Tesla PowerWall? I'm looking for the best battery, for an off grid application. Thanks!
Hi there! Keep in mind, the FranklinWH is certainly functional in off-grid applications, and has built in 4g which will allow for service updates and firmware improvements.
I love your #tesla content
For solar, which brand/type inverters have you tested with the FranklinWH System and are there any inverters highly recommended on your list at this time?
As AC coupled system the FranklinWH system is compatible with all inverters types and brands. Just like any appliances at home.
please can i have your email address to ask some few questions on franklin battery. i’m from nigeria
Anything any one company can control at a distance is not a good investment. Tesla can basically tell you "nope, your power wall is now out of business, because the government doesn't like you".
Good point!
Sounds like Franklin has a better package!
We certainly like to think we’ve improved upon the current standard in safety, function, and strength. We know people love Elon, but for those desiring more function, and willing and ready to move the next technology, we’re here for you!
Everyone does when you starting looking at other options.
How much do each cost? You didn't mention this in video but give it different scores. They both have same capacity so is Franklin less then $7k in cost?
Hi Mushaz. The cost depends on where you are buying. Most solar installers will purchase this from a solar wholesale distributor like CED Greentech. I don't think Franklin is selling direct to homeowners at this point. Let us know if you need a quote for an installation here in the US. solarsurge.net/schedule-call
One question I have with all these Units is, if there was Major grid down situation, were, Cell service wasn’t available, are they accessible by a Bluetooth connection, if Bluetooth still works with a Grid down Situation?
Just a thought.
Saying Bluetooth wouldn’t work in a grid down situation is like saying your remote wouldn’t turn on your tv if your Wi-Fi went out.
Your system will be connected via FWH's wifi hotspot. And you will still be able to control the system
When will your company offer assistance in Oregon?
Why do you not talk about what type of battery these are and what the costs are?
Not a fair comparison.
Powerwall 2+ is a PW2 + solar inverter.
7.6kW power is achieved only during off-grid operation while solar is producing and battery discharging.
Otherwise the battery itself is 5.8kW.
If we are talking about the AC COUPLED battery that will work with any solar system let's compare PW2 with Gateway to FRANKLIN APower with AGate. The specs than are more on par, and only than you can use existing solar of any brand inverter to charge battery.
Sure it's nice to have TESLA PW+ provide 7.6kW but that means retrofitting existing solar with TESLA inverter and rapid shutdown.
If you have existing solar best way is to install TESLA PW2 with TESLA GATEWAY, or FRANKLINWH APower with AGate.
Thank you
Tesla and FranklinWH certified installer
Both these battery solutions are overpriced garbage. You'd be better off buying EG4 rack batteries at 1/5th the cost
Well I might pick that too the Franklin but I also think about the blue Eddie 300 two of them with eight batteries with 24 kilowatts a backup power and batteries alone with two inverters that are run 3000 Watts that's 6,000 Watts combined together but I think it's only $5,600 watts in an extra run would have to get actually four blue Eddie's with all their batteries which would be 16 batteries and all the solar panels actually charge them up but the way that's looking that would be like 43,000 but that doesn't include all the Philippines you hook up to it and each battery get it hook up 60 amps to it besides the 2400 Watts I can go to each inverter all 200 w solar panels. Boy that take me 10 years to save up that kind of money to buy that.
Too bad Tesla is only packaging the power wall with solar. I’d like just the power wall..
We have Powerwall's available if you need them.
Reached out to Solar Surge for information. Had a great zoom meeting with an agent. He said he would follow up on the zoom meeting with some actual bids for systems. Never heard from him again. Sent a follow up email to him asking what happened - but got no reply. Oh well - I moved on to other options.
Would you do this with Tesla VS Home Grid battery
and Tesla VS SolArk inverter
i need help i have Soler and my light bill is still 600 what am i doing wrong i max out my roof why is it not working for me please help
Power When you need it
I missed the depth of discharge part on both batteries which is important. Will you please supply the info in the chat?
what about Australia
With a low LRA on the AC I am able to run the Powerwall* almost all night, I run the whole house at night, and still have the option to run a generator.
you said you were going to tell us the price and you didnt.
Is your web-site broken? There is nothing on it but a scammy looking “scheduler” with no available slots.
Please try now. We opened up a few more days.
With respect to the Franklin Whole House Battery, and on backup mode. how many batteries does it take to power up a 5 ton AC unit?
Thanks in advance and thanks for providing these informative videos on harnessing solar energy.
2 or more batteries will do it.
Can you use this as a home battery backup even if you do not have solar?
Doesn't the Tesla Powerwall use NMC batteries and Franklin LiFePO4? or both NMC?
Correct. Powerwall uses Lithium NMC and Franklin uses LFP.
solid! so happy to FIND this channel.
Is the Franklin also cheaper per stored kWh? 2 Powerwalls have very similar storage capacity as 3 Franklins. How does that compare price wise?
Thanks Joe. Great presentation, as usual.👏👍
So i have been ghosted by my sales guy who will not reply to emails asking for a quote after we spoke on the phone on July 12th. How can I contact someone that can help me, or do i just need to look into other companies?
Unusually they will give you a quote after coming out to your house. You might need to contact another company. Usually the people that ghost you are charging premium prices and want a sucker.
I got ghosted by my Solar Surge consultant, also. We had a zoom meeting, and he told me he had options for me and would send me proposals. I got nothing. This happened last July. In September, I wrote to him and asked what happened and got no reply. When these things happen, I always try and figure out why? I made a guess (nothing to support this mind you) that my project was simply not profitable enough for the consultant and he, therefore, dropped me.
whats the price!?
Can the Franklin whole home battery work with Enphase solar system?
Yes absolutely. Our most common configuration is Enphase micro-inverters on roof paired with 2 Franklin WH batteries on the ground.
@@SolarSurge next question, does this system need to be tied into a grid or can the panels/WH work off grid?
Thank you.
Can you pair enphase inverters with Franklin system?
Yes absolutely. That is actually the most common configuration. Enphase micro inverters on the roof with Franklin home batteries at ground level.
@@SolarSurge thank you so much just need a one-line of this can’t find anything on the web so I can get approved for net metering
Do you serve Florida?
Yes absolutely. Please visit the website to book an appointment so we can discuss your project in more detail.
The Franklin ESS seems like a very viable solution. I am a little dubious of a 5kW continuous inverter being called a "Whole Home Backup" system. But as they are stackable it can be expanded to become a true WHB.
I would like to see an in depth analysis of the mode and operational features of these ESS batteries. How they monitor the consumption of the home and such.
I really like your evaluations especially of the battery systems
Bryan! Thanks for joining the conversation. I had the same concerns as you, and in a lot of cases, two batteries will allow larger homes over 1300-1500 sq feet to operate much more comfortably, without fear of losing the charge quickly. In short outages, there will likely not be loss of power with the 16ms transfer between connections.
That being said, the 10 seconds 10kw surge can be surprisingly strong and handle most loads up to a 4 ton ac. We hope to publish an app demo soon to help everyone easily understand the process. For people living in sunny, high producing areas that get by on a 3-6kw DC this is the perfect whole home solution. You can always shed the loads
@@justinfranklinwh4969 I retired earlier this year and was the Product Manager for the Darfon H5001 and HB51 inverters that Panasonic sells as their Evervolt ESS. When I was introduced to the H5001 inverter I questioned its size as well. The surge capacity is very good and work fine I suspect in an off grid situation with load shedding. I have used and recommended the Lumen Smart product for such operation but apparently your inverter has that function built in. I looked on the website to get more information but couldn't find anything specific.
I cna and have ran my while hiuse off of growatt 5000es inverter. It is a 15kw system.
TESLA monitors the Powerwall and if you lose internet for two days, the unit will turn off until you contact Tesla. Why does no one talk about the EG4 batteries from Signature Solar or the Growatt Batteries? Both are 5kw and at $1700 the price puts Tesla to shame.
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I'm not choosing one way or the other but one thing to note is if you need more power that 10kW continuous to run your home on backup you would need 3 of the Franklin compared to just 2 of the Tesla. That is something that would need to be factored in to making a decision. Good video, thanks.
You can only get a Power Wall by installing solar.
Tesla only installs solar and Powerwall 2 plus.
But certified Tesla dealers will add Powerwall to your solar. I have this in process now.
@@tombailey2674 How long did you have to wait? I read for practical purposes the wait was so long as to be almost impossible to get. I got one Power Wall with my 4Kw solar system that I had considered getting two with and now I am thinking I should have gone with my first idea. Also after having the system for almost two years a second Power Wall would allow me to disconnect from the utility if I wanted to without any significant worries about running out of power without a backup generator.
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I gave the Tesla Certified dealer the go ahead At the beginning of May the deposit to go ahead. At the start of June they did a site visit. Estimated they would receive the equipment around the beginning of August.
Still waiting to hear back if County has approved the permit and if equipment has arrived.
When I started this the tax credit was 26% and going to 22% next year.
Now with the latest proposal the tax credit may go to 30% for the next 10 years.
Ordered Tesla Powerwalls direct from Tesla in March of 2020. Still waiting for the install. I have heard so many excuses from them - and at one point a Tesla project manager said, "we are only shipping Powerwalls to customers who order solar panels as well (I already have solar panels on the roof) so you might want to go with another company's option." I was astonished - a Tesla project manager telling me to go to another company. When I spoke to the next Tesla project manager she said that was absolutely false and they would be installing "very soon" - that was over a year ago. I think the first one was telling the truth and the second one was doing a better job following the script.
@@tombailey2674 My mother-in-law has been trying to just get Tesla solar installed all year. We had the roof redone in the spring and wanted to get the solar installed to make part of the new roof tax deductible, but it looks now that that will be a failure. My wife is planning to cancel the project if it isn’t completed before the end of the year.
Would it be good to get like maybe 15 or 17 Franklin power walls batteries I mean I got 17 batteries and it's not enough to prom a house of course the 1,000 amps 135 amp hours and the wrong kind of batteries for solar panels inverters of the house or RVs or bolts or whatever or maybe not for both so much because that's what they are asking more of is a boat battery for fishing and if we can get like 12 of them or 18 of them if we got to connect them together as if it's like a regular battery which I think they should be wouldn't that be better but how much would they actually cost cuz I don't got a lot of money that's why I ever start batteries at 1,000 amp for one for 135 amp hours because they only cost me $93 and some odd cents as of 2022 do you win up five and a half dollars from last year of course they went up $4 from a year or two before because I was paying $84 for him of course I want more than 1,000 amp batteries 435 amp hours I want more I'd rather have batteries like they used to be 1,350 amps that being amp I was a little bit more to about 175 amp hours at least that's the better used to buy for my trucks no I can't even find them no anymore they were better for my truck than he's thousand amp batteries I'll be buying them for my shoulder then too of course I got some I mean I did start by getting in a solar 24 years ago when everything was made out of gold I guess and cost that gold but it's not actually gold it's just solar panels.
Powerwall is the best in every way. Thanks
Telsa powerwalls are used tesla car batteries
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franklin for the win! I have 3 powerwalls and will definitely tell my neighbors about this product. FABTSTIC
Another great video. Thank you. One thing I would have mentioned (maybe you did and I missed it) is that the Franklin WH chemistry is not only safer in terms of fire danger, it should be longer lasting too, which is no doubt why they're offering the longer warranty. Franklin guarantees 70% capacity after 12 years with unlimited cycles, while Tesla guarantees 70% after 10 years, with a believe a max 10k cycles. In every respect, the Franklin is superior or the equal to the Tesla system.
Tesla PW, you have been dethroned!