Wrong.. best mining rings for strip mining are 3x circulation.. just do the maths 3x circulation - 600m3/72s-8m3/s 3x efficiency - 960m3/180s-5m3/s 2xc+1xe - 720m3/108s-6.5m3/s
@@myrisk1193 I believe there is a penalty via the math (the buffs shouldn't be additive like that). 3 circs is still better though, just not by as much. 3x circulation - 600m3/92.16s-6.51m3/s 3x efficiency - 1036.8m3/180s-5.76m3/s 2xc+1xe - 720m3/115.2s-6.25m3/s Not 100% if that's how it's calced in game, just guessing.
Been watching you both since c&c rivals, actually played against excoundrel, both of you have great content! I’m sure most like to see both of your opinions
its nice to see they made this game stupid simple....when i started playing eve several years ago it was "heres a ship, heres your guns and how to fire them, good luck"
depending on skills if you fit 2 circulation rigs you can reduce the strip Miner Duration down to 100 seconds. One efficiency and two circulation rigs can make you easily fill your 50000 m3 ore hold in 12 and a half minutes. The only downside is maneuverability. Edit: When activating a cloaking device you must be 2000 meters(2KMs) away from any object. Meaning if somebody sees you cloak they can still approach your current location and cancel your cloak to take you down. NEVER AFK MINE IN THIS SHIP! REACTION IS KEY.
I would suggest making your destination as a local station for you to dock to. If you just warp to a nearby gate, a smart ganking crew could be just sending in one ship to scare you, knowing you're going to warp away and have teams at each gate. In low or nullsec, there could only be 1 or 2 gates available which would be easy to cover.
I've got my Retriever setup for combat mining. Added jump protection and what not. I can do t4 Inquisitor spawns in .5 with absolutely no trouble. You can also mine while in combat in medium spawns. By the time you kill everything you have also mined everything. This is a very very capable ship.
Did they change the way the cloaking devices work? Used to be in EVE Online that when you were cloaked, you were still counted in the number of pilots in local.
Interesting thing I noticed when you were cloaked, your ship still reached its maximum speed even while cloaked. This could be used for a safer get away, you mine in a belt and something warps in nearby. You hit cloak and align, then when speed is right, uncloak and insta warp to a safe spot. Try if that would actually work
Great vid and great series, lots of useful info. Just 1 thing, always align to your warp point then stop so if someone comes into local you don't need to turn to align you just need to get the speed up to warp.
Is the Echoes ore mechanics the same as the original EVE Online? In a sense that, do I get in Echoes the same yield minerals(and yield amount) as I would do in EE? Disregarding the skills though.
ab/mwd does not help to align or warp quicker because the increased speed would come with an increased turn radius, meaning a slower align, also during the warp activation, your top speed no matter how you change it (AB or MWD) are both factored into the 75% movement speed requirement.
Is it viable to bring a retriever to low sec.... All the disadvantages of null sec and without the advantages of high sec... Its not like I can ninja huff in a venture...
I've been investing in strip mining quite a bit. My retriever currently has 2xsingle diode miners (they are quite cheap) at 4.2k mining amount ea with skills and 3xmining circulationan mk1 rigs giving 79s duration. I can fill the ore hold in 6-7 min. Problem is like you said, strip mining collects everything, not necessarily the most valuable ores. Usually end up with ton of Veldspar which isn't worth crap. So it's questionable if it's more profitable than venture 3 which is guaranteed to give you stable best return on each run as you can just fill up 100% on crokite/spodumain, but it is about 2x slower fill up than retriever. I kinda wish retriever or procurer had larger ore hold... maybe 100-150k. Traveling in this floating brick takes forever..so it would make sense to have to do it less. Also what I try to do is float towards more expensive asteroids and stay there. Also good advice on cloaking device.
This is an interesting change from EO, I mine alot of moons & belts there and the stationary nature is pretty dull. Mining is still going to be a calm time sink for reasonable isk.
is strip mining more efficient? Rn on venture 3 with 30k ore cargo hold, its not really worth that much to go to -8 systems mine 3-4k ores and go all the way back to sell stuff for barelly 700-800 each ... Im interested retriever because of its ore hold but not sure if its worth it i mean im not sure what to focus on anymore, i fitted my venture to the best already ... i guess just saving up ISK ?
Thank you for all the info you are the best. Yeah i have been going out into -8 every day and havent met a single pirate (luckily) I suppose this is a huge world for open beta, lets hope that after launch this game will be populated much more
Great video! I still find it more friendly to have the overhead view instead of 3rd person. Tap the compas at the bottom and move it and zoom it so that you see the asteroids and other ships. You can still interact with them by clicking and approaching.
@@captainbenzie Yeah. So, online, it shows you the skills that you need for any modules or ships that you want. I was wondering where they list them on mobile.
damn bro, eve and eve echoes is really different. first of all if this was eve online you wouldn't be mining w/ a retriever because its super weak almost everyone in corp uses the procurer or the skiff (it's what i use and it's basicly the t2 procurer but like instead of 30m the cost of the procurer its 280-320M isk) to mine in 0,5 and null sec and you fit your retriever like it's a god damn prospect one of the rule of eve is to never bring a mining barge or an exhumer to mine in low sec in fact mining in null-sec is actually safer since some corp allows solo player to mine in some of their asteroid belt "some" and even when the corp allows you to mine inside their territory bringing a exhumer or a mining barge is still dangerous a solo manticore or a nemesis cloaked might attack you since they're cloaked and the corp doesnt gurantee you your safety so i usaly mine in low or null sec w/ a prospect. but usaly i just empty a entire asteroid field w/my orca which is safer and cheap because i could just alt tab and watch some youtube video n stuff.
@@captainbenzie oh wow, 110 days? that's alot, even the orca took me 17 days to unlock but it does cost 1,2B and when i bought it i went completely bankrupt but i did recover from emptying entire asteroid field w/my orca
clocking at a gate to make the ganker think u jumnped when all they have to do is see that ur still in local so they now know ur at that gate cloaked..... also the gates flash when someone uses them so if they are watching the gate and they see u land but no gate flash and ur still in local he can try to sprint to u and de-cloak you overall not a good idea to rely on. best to warp to a planet or the sun 50 to 100km away then go to a station or gate.
That’s why the video title says Eve Echoes. Not Eve Online. That would be like watching Mario Kart for iOS on TH-cam and trying to apply the same to Mario Kart on the switch... Some similarities... but a different game
Captain, do you get anything from the creators of echoes? If not you should, i say try reaching out to them to see if they can give you some free stuff, like maybe isk money, some of the hard expensive ships to get or other stuff like weapons and modules... i mean is only in their best interest that way you can promote and make many more videos... i know there are other other that get stuff from the game developers for doing videos on their game. Anyway just trying to help you a bit. See ya around pirate. 🖖💀
@@captainbenzie small time? Compare to what or whom? They need people like you to talk to "small time people like us 😊" i only started playing echoes because i came across a video that you did and i got interested in it. Im sure others probably feel the same way. In a way you are working fir them for free, you are advertising their game and handling customer service "us" for free... why wouldn't they want to help you? just show them how much you can help them. 👍🏼 we "the players, the people they design the game for" can't really reach them, but we can reach you and you them for us. Anyway good luck bro. 💀🖖
Yeah story missions are pretty great source of income.. I finished just one story battle mission with my cruiser.. take me 1 hour +- and I made 20m +- .. and I didn't sell stuff that I've got from destroyed ships yet
@@myrisk1193 I lost my venture 3 in null 2 guys followed me after the gate on my way to an asteroid field they were cloacked so i couldn't know they were camping the gate and when they arrived at the field i tried wrapping away but they both had powerfull jammers so i slowly saw my ship exploding...
Lol....you’re not drifting...you are slowly maneuvering/ cruising with afterburner on...through the belt...drift implies NO power and no decided direction.
Also love the depth of the content...and realize you’re a high energy and charismatic guy....but throttle back and slow down a smidge...and breathe (away from your mic) and realize you have a very discernible lip/ mouth smack that can be quite distracting...just a heads up...I’ve been doing public speaking and briefs professionally for many years...perhaps a mic adjustment ie: back away from it a little...you never want folks to focus on anything other than what you are presenting. Keep up the great work...as a former EO player (Recovering ;) ) your coverage/content for EE has got me close to jumping back in....
If you are going for best mining/fastest, 1 miner efficiency upgrade and 2 mining circulation
Captain Benzie check discord I did tell you 🙃
Wrong.. best mining rings for strip mining are 3x circulation.. just do the maths
3x circulation - 600m3/72s-8m3/s
3x efficiency - 960m3/180s-5m3/s
2xc+1xe - 720m3/108s-6.5m3/s
@@myrisk1193 isnt there a stacking penalty like in EVE Online? That would make it less effective to add same type of rigs.
Not that I know of.. well, at least not yet.. but it's still in beta so..
@@myrisk1193 I believe there is a penalty via the math (the buffs shouldn't be additive like that). 3 circs is still better though, just not by as much.
3x circulation - 600m3/92.16s-6.51m3/s
3x efficiency - 1036.8m3/180s-5.76m3/s
2xc+1xe - 720m3/115.2s-6.25m3/s
Not 100% if that's how it's calced in game, just guessing.
For a lost new guy your videos are a must!!
Lmao ffs Benzie I just recorded my strip mining video - I THOUGHT FOR SURE I WAS GOING TO COVER SOMETHING BEFORE BENZIE WAS.
no problem i look at both....
Been watching you both since c&c rivals, actually played against excoundrel, both of you have great content! I’m sure most like to see both of your opinions
Maybe you guys should do a collab. 🤘
its nice to see they made this game stupid simple....when i started playing eve several years ago it was "heres a ship, heres your guns and how to fire them, good luck"
this is not eve online this is eve for mobile platforms . it is not the same
@@gysvangreuning6773 that's exactly what he said. But thanks for Parroting a narrative you read on Facebook.
Since a barge is more of a shield tank I recommend a em/thermal screen it'll bump up your ehp greatly.
depending on skills if you fit 2 circulation rigs you can reduce the strip Miner Duration down to 100 seconds. One efficiency and two circulation rigs can make you easily fill your 50000 m3 ore hold in 12 and a half minutes. The only downside is maneuverability.
Edit: When activating a cloaking device you must be 2000 meters(2KMs) away from any object. Meaning if somebody sees you cloak they can still approach your current location and cancel your cloak to take you down.
NEVER AFK MINE IN THIS SHIP! REACTION IS KEY.
I would suggest making your destination as a local station for you to dock to. If you just warp to a nearby gate, a smart ganking crew could be just sending in one ship to scare you, knowing you're going to warp away and have teams at each gate. In low or nullsec, there could only be 1 or 2 gates available which would be easy to cover.
I've got my Retriever setup for combat mining. Added jump protection and what not. I can do t4 Inquisitor spawns in .5 with absolutely no trouble. You can also mine while in combat in medium spawns. By the time you kill everything you have also mined everything. This is a very very capable ship.
too bad you only get 2 drones on it lol.
Would you be able to give a list of strip mining ships say tier 5-6 ? For instance can a mammoth strip mine?
Did they change the way the cloaking devices work? Used to be in EVE Online that when you were cloaked, you were still counted in the number of pilots in local.
Interesting thing I noticed when you were cloaked, your ship still reached its maximum speed even while cloaked. This could be used for a safer get away, you mine in a belt and something warps in nearby. You hit cloak and align, then when speed is right, uncloak and insta warp to a safe spot. Try if that would actually work
It does, very well infact
Great vid and great series, lots of useful info. Just 1 thing, always align to your warp point then stop so if someone comes into local you don't need to turn to align you just need to get the speed up to warp.
@@captainbenzie No problem, haven't seen all your vids yet but working through them.
Literally in the process of building one 😁
So thought I would wait for manufacturing time with watching TH-cam
Is the Echoes ore mechanics the same as the original EVE Online? In a sense that, do I get in Echoes the same yield minerals(and yield amount) as I would do in EE? Disregarding the skills though.
ab/mwd does not help to align or warp quicker because the increased speed would come with an increased turn radius, meaning a slower align, also during the warp activation, your top speed no matter how you change it (AB or MWD) are both factored into the 75% movement speed requirement.
Is it viable to bring a retriever to low sec.... All the disadvantages of null sec and without the advantages of high sec... Its not like I can ninja huff in a venture...
What kind of ship should your friend be in to scare off most raiders? (caracul with rapids?)
question captain benzie , is it still posilble that you lock on to a single asteroid with strip miners and mine it entirely ?
Learn a lot from your videos
I've been investing in strip mining quite a bit. My retriever currently has
2xsingle diode miners (they are quite cheap) at 4.2k mining amount ea with skills and 3xmining circulationan mk1 rigs giving 79s duration. I can fill the ore hold in 6-7 min.
Problem is like you said, strip mining collects everything, not necessarily the most valuable ores. Usually end up with ton of Veldspar which isn't worth crap. So it's questionable if it's more profitable than venture 3 which is guaranteed to give you stable best return on each run as you can just fill up 100% on crokite/spodumain, but it is about 2x slower fill up than retriever.
I kinda wish retriever or procurer had larger ore hold... maybe 100-150k. Traveling in this floating brick takes forever..so it would make sense to have to do it less.
Also what I try to do is float towards more expensive asteroids and stay there.
Also good advice on cloaking device.
Is this still the same or was the ammount of ore nerfed?
This is an interesting change from EO, I mine alot of moons & belts there and the stationary nature is pretty dull. Mining is still going to be a calm time sink for reasonable isk.
is strip mining more efficient? Rn on venture 3 with 30k ore cargo hold, its not really worth that much to go to -8 systems mine 3-4k ores and go all the way back to sell stuff for barelly 700-800 each ...
Im interested retriever because of its ore hold but not sure if its worth it
i mean im not sure what to focus on anymore, i fitted my venture to the best already ... i guess just saving up ISK ?
Thank you for all the info you are the best.
Yeah i have been going out into -8 every day and havent met a single pirate (luckily) I suppose this is a huge world for open beta, lets hope that after launch this game will be populated much more
i wonder can you set bookmarks for a more usefull warpin?
Awesome info thanks Captain 👍
Great video! I still find it more friendly to have the overhead view instead of 3rd person. Tap the compas at the bottom and move it and zoom it so that you see the asteroids and other ships. You can still interact with them by clicking and approaching.
Please how do u get this ship
I never see any MK items from marketplace?
How do you see what skills you need? I don't want to waste training time.
@@captainbenzie Yeah. So, online, it shows you the skills that you need for any modules or ships that you want. I was wondering where they list them on mobile.
wait so i need to pay for strip mining bc i cant buythat ship as alpha.
Yup
Still looking forward to fit one on a Venture
With "industrial ship engineering" and his +25% energy bonus Venture2 could equip strip mining.
@@captainbenzie without bonus can't equip? Bonus is not just a bonus?
Can a mammoth fit strip miners?
Could we get a direct link to the data in the screenshot at the end of the video (th-cam.com/video/Opr4CD0bgXM/w-d-xo.html) ?
Can this guide be applied to eve online aswell?
Does this same technic work in regular Eve?
damn bro, eve and eve echoes is really different. first of all if this was eve online you wouldn't be mining w/ a retriever because its super weak almost everyone in corp uses the procurer or the skiff (it's what i use and it's basicly the t2 procurer but like instead of 30m the cost of the procurer its 280-320M isk) to mine in 0,5 and null sec and you fit your retriever like it's a god damn prospect one of the rule of eve is to never bring a mining barge or an exhumer to mine in low sec in fact mining in null-sec is actually safer since some corp allows solo player to mine in some of their asteroid belt "some" and even when the corp allows you to mine inside their territory bringing a exhumer or a mining barge is still dangerous a solo manticore or a nemesis cloaked might attack you since they're cloaked and the corp doesnt gurantee you your safety so i usaly mine in low or null sec w/ a prospect. but usaly i just empty a entire asteroid field w/my orca which is safer and cheap because i could just alt tab and watch some youtube video n stuff.
@@captainbenzie oh wow, 110 days? that's alot, even the orca took me 17 days to unlock but it does cost 1,2B and when i bought it i went completely bankrupt but i did recover from emptying entire asteroid field w/my orca
How is your UI different?
clocking at a gate to make the ganker think u jumnped when all they have to do is see that ur still in local so they now know ur at that gate cloaked..... also the gates flash when someone uses them so if they are watching the gate and they see u land but no gate flash and ur still in local he can try to sprint to u and de-cloak you
overall not a good idea to rely on. best to warp to a planet or the sun 50 to 100km away then go to a station or gate.
Perhaps Eve echoes has changes from the pc version. Some of this advice I disagree with and wouldn’t work well in the pc version.
That’s why the video title says Eve Echoes. Not Eve Online. That would be like watching Mario Kart for iOS on TH-cam and trying to apply the same to Mario Kart on the switch... Some similarities... but a different game
It was me who ruined the perfect 666 likes score by adding one more
Captain, do you get anything from the creators of echoes? If not you should, i say try reaching out to them to see if they can give you some free stuff, like maybe isk money, some of the hard expensive ships to get or other stuff like weapons and modules... i mean is only in their best interest that way you can promote and make many more videos... i know there are other other that get stuff from the game developers for doing videos on their game. Anyway just trying to help you a bit. See ya around pirate. 🖖💀
@@captainbenzie small time? Compare to what or whom? They need people like you to talk to "small time people like us 😊" i only started playing echoes because i came across a video that you did and i got interested in it. Im sure others probably feel the same way. In a way you are working fir them for free, you are advertising their game and handling customer service "us" for free... why wouldn't they want to help you? just show them how much you can help them. 👍🏼 we "the players, the people they design the game for" can't really reach them, but we can reach you and you them for us. Anyway good luck bro. 💀🖖
Made me 72m in a few hours completing the storrie missions
@@captainbenzie lucky drops 2 story items sold for 20m each and around 15m for the missions along alot of other smaller stuff to sell along with scrap
Yeah story missions are pretty great source of income.. I finished just one story battle mission with my cruiser.. take me 1 hour +- and I made 20m +- .. and I didn't sell stuff that I've got from destroyed ships yet
Between running the storyline missions and Mining selling ships I made over a billion dollars in just over a week.
Seems legit
My drones have saved my ass from rats
DUDE, THIS ISNT EVE ONLINE, WE DONT HAVE RATS IN BELTS IN ECHOES!
@@joepiscapo1879 I didn't say it was EVE Echoes, it's EVE Online
Mining is a lot more efficient in null sec 😉
Yeah especially when you got destroyed your 40m ship
Myrisk that’s why you use cloak and don’t afk in null
That's true.. BUT.. it happens sometimes that you warp to the asteroid field and he is waiting there for you already xD and you are screwed ..
@@myrisk1193 I lost my venture 3 in null 2 guys followed me after the gate on my way to an asteroid field they were cloacked so i couldn't know they were camping the gate and when they arrived at the field i tried wrapping away but they both had powerfull jammers so i slowly saw my ship exploding...
I don't mine in null sec unless there isn't anybody else in the system.
Lol....you’re not drifting...you are slowly maneuvering/ cruising with afterburner on...through the belt...drift implies NO power and no decided direction.
#new Players doing tips videos with a lot of failures
Also love the depth of the content...and realize you’re a high energy and charismatic guy....but throttle back and slow down a smidge...and breathe (away from your mic) and realize you have a very discernible lip/ mouth smack that can be quite distracting...just a heads up...I’ve been doing public speaking and briefs professionally for many years...perhaps a mic adjustment ie: back away from it a little...you never want folks to focus on anything other than what you are presenting. Keep up the great work...as a former EO player (Recovering ;) ) your coverage/content for EE has got me close to jumping back in....
very poor and confusing video with many many many errors....
So the game USED to look better...... Gotcha