The way i saw the todoroki walking in bit is Endeavor:"i cant fight my own son" Todoroki: "b*tch, what did you just say after all the beating me up you put me through as a child"
I know that people are willing to fight back against criminals, but but with weapons like that, and a battle like that it could cause major destruction to the area. That’s why there’s rules or the law about why only license heroes Should be the ones to face the criminals or villains; man where is the trust
@@Little1Cave from what you said if that keeps happening the more they buy it even after the madness is over those people might not have enough money to get back their homes or buy anything, especially foods or clothing and having to pay their phone bill. Yeah That’s messed up.
On the subject of Hawks, I gotta say, it's super interesting that his dad, who was probably charged with domestic abuse, got arrested by another domestic abuser. It really goes to show how hypocritical hero society can be. As for Endeavor, as much as this sucks for him, I can't say he didn't have this coming. Like, of course he’s gonna start crying now once everything starts to catch up to him.
His father was a murderer first and foremost, domestic abuse was the least of his crimes. Also with the timeline might not have lined up to that point of Endeavor's life, idk.
@@In-The-Zone Well, kinda. Thing is that he was still probably charged with it even though it wasn’t his biggest crime. And honestly, I think the timeline lines up pretty well overall. Endeavor was number two and Hawks is still pretty young.
@@ashyroy9454 That's more of a case of the victim blaming themself. Rei shouldn't blame herself since she's barely at fault for any of this, but it's realistic for her to do it.
@@You-Tube-n5k They were both terrible, maybe you didn't see what happens next (anime and manga) but everything that happened was because they both messed up
@@droiidaster I’m well aware of what happens next, and Rei honestly wasn’t that bad. She at least tried to offer some guidance for Toya, Shoto, and the others, but was given zero resources to actually seek out any professional help. The only remotely awful thing that she did was exclusively because of how Enji made her go insane. Plus she immediately tried to help Shoto after what happened, unlike Enji who took several years to even consider how awful he was. I’m not going to act like Rei was an amazing parent, but Enji is solely to blame for pretty much everything that went wrong, as shown in the next episode.
The whole "People making justice for themselves" felt like a subtle anti gun message. People trying to punish criminals by themselves end up doing more damage
Nah, that's not justice, that's self defense. Justice implies there's some moral or lawful nature about doing something to right a wrong or at least correct it. But guns particularly in America aren't meant nor intended for people to take the law into their own hands it has and always will be for self defense because the only person who can protect yourself is you when it comes down to it.
The Endeavour depression arc is in full swing. Gotta love how so much of the fandom sees Tomura and Toya as good even though they have caused way more damge that was done to either of them but people will exuse any action they make just cause they where beat as kids even though they both have probably caused thousands of deaths. At the same time Kotaro who at worst slapped his son twice is seen as a irredemable dude and Endeavour get a lot of hate and probably even more than actual murderers. Like you can like the villains more but if you pretend that they are in any way better morally then you are unironicaly more deluded than a yeagerist and tahts saying somthing.
sure lets just excuse the "hero"s phsyical and spousal abuse. you called them slaps but endavor straight up gut punch Todoroki and made him vomit. endeavor should be in prison and im not gonna even start with what he did to his wife because i dont want to spoil alicia.
@@micheal31091706 no one's excusing it endeavor knows what he did was wrong and that he was the one who caused everything with his family it dosent excuse what he did but at least he makes steps toward redemption, Toya Is stright up evil he relishes in killing people you can blame endeavor for it but only to a certain degree
I don't think most of those who pity Tomura and Toya see them as good, its more so they feel more like fictional characters with how extreme their crimes are, so much so they are hard to see as realistic. Also most of the people killed by them were villains or were killed casually and not focused on, which isn't an excuse but for fictional characters it will make the crimes have less impact for a casual reader. Kotaro and Endeavour's sins are more realistic, and to some people it's likely they have experienced or seen similar abuse in real life. Its also likely the abuse they experienced or saw is more extreme, and the real life abusers are worse people, so they will equate Kotaro and Endeavour to real horrible people and will have a hard time separating the real people from the fictional characters.
It have to do with being able to relate... Domestic abuse is a very real thing, even more so when compared to super human society. If these abused kids didn't have quirks, i doubt their crimes would be this extreme especially considering the quirk factor effect on peoples emotional well being. At most they would be troubled teenagers, probably apprehended by the police many times with a chance to be rehabilitated into society.
I think the reason why I’m personally more sympathetic towards the villains is that they were never given a proper chance to change. Like, Touya and Tomura are NOT better than Endeavor by any means, but I sympathize with them more on some level since Endeavor’s been given multiple chances to change and hasn’t made much of an effort until recently. Plus that effort pretty much stops at this moment, so it’s more or less where I stopped rooting for Endeavor entirely, but I’m getting ahead of myself. 😅
Just because you want Endeavor to succeed doesn't mean you have to think he's a good person. Sometimes your actions are so bad that you can never truly be redeemed but you can still hope they someday forgive themselves.
To be fair, part of me kinda hopes Endeavor doesn’t forgive himself. The fact that he hates himself for what he did shows that he has at least some self-awareness.
@@natsuotodoroki I think after people accept they really fucked up they can start the journey of self forgiveness. He's your dad though so I don't want to tell you how to feel about him :p
When I saw this episode, I was thinking that Dabi did many things that seems out of character for him. This episode also proves what Stain been trying to say; fake heroes only care about fame, glory, avoiding responsibility, etc
A lot of things have to get resolved, and the Todoroki family is one of the big ones. Something that's been essentially left alone for so long and left to fester. It's always worse if you leave an issue for later because it'll be harder to treat, and we saw that with Natsu and Shoto even though there were attempts. We got everyone back though so let's see what happens.
“It’s always worse if you leave an issue for later because it’ll be harder to treat.” I love this quote. I also want people to keep this in mind, because it really comes into play with how Endeavor handles things.
Before you immediately assume how Endeavor's family life has been, next ep will show you a contreversial backstory about how it's not how you think it is. There are multiple sides to every story.
Tbh, she’s pretty much right on the money with how the family backstory is, even without seeing the next episode. Not much was left to the imagination overall.
I don't get it. So some people distrust heroes now and they rely on themselves to fight against wrongdoings, but they also then blame heroes when that doesn't work? Like where does that make sense? Is it projecting their powerlessness?
@nicolaspereyra420 I think it's kind of like what mysterio said in Spider-Man: Far From Home, though in a different context "People need to believe, and nowadays they'll believe anything"
@@natsuotodoroki Not only, for me, we can also see that he could have been a good father and husband, but that there was a point of no return which definitely made him fall into the worst.
@@spadeas49 Yeah, I guess. Endeavor started the family for his own corrupt reasons, but if he just had more self-awareness and empathy, then maybe things could’ve turned out a little better.
Yeah, a lot of the time people act like Rei never did anything wrong when she’s the one who burned his face and used her quirk to accidentally make it worse. But of course people are just going to find a way to twist it to say that it’s completely Enji’s fault, which is something that they do A LOT. Like, he’s done some bad things, but you can’t seriously hold him accountable for every single action the people around him do. There’s a point where it has nothing to do with who’s a victim or who’s an abuser, and is just people doing terrible things.
Remember when the story actively says on multiple occasions that Rei was pushed to a mental breakdown because of how horribly Enji treated her? Just keep that in mind.
Yes. I do remember. And i also remember that she was subjected to horrific abuse to the point that she just mentally snapped. She realized what she did was wrong, tried to fix it, and spent several years essentially torturing herself over her actions. People sometimes do really bad things. If they recognize their mistakes, apologize for them, and work to fix the damage they have done, their victims should be allowed to forgive them. Otherwise, what's the point of trying to be better?
Unpopular opinion (and maybe her opinion will change like mine). But also some of things Alicia accuses endeavour of never happened, so maybe not. But I really don’t blame Endeavour that much. He’s like a bad husband and ruined his family with his addiction to gaining a successor to rival All might. But I really think Toya ruined what could have been a functional family
For a while I was pissed at Hawks beyond belief. I thought what happened to him was comeuppance for killing Twice. I thought he an his bosses were one and the same. But here he earned my forgiveness. It because of his abusive origin, for that he earned my sympathy, his righteous heart at that age eared my respect; but it wasn’t until he reflected and regretted upon himself that I forgave him. That he honestly took no pleasure or blind devotion in killing twice, and acknowledges his weakness in doing so. It’s not a matter of just saying “I was wrong,” it’s acknowledging it and promising to be better. Plus his b--h of an “organization” (the architect of this and MANY other outcomes) he was working for is dead so there’s even more room for forgiveness. ---------- Also, one of the other good things that regretfully came out of this tragedy is that people are finally starting to defend themselves instead or relying upon another. But this way isn’t what I meant. Their abilities and powers should be explored and expressed so that they can protect themselves and those around them. But the fact that the old society basically restrained them so much was unhealthy and detrimental. It was doomed to fail, despite being so close. 🤦🏾♂️ At best you’ll get someone like Gental, at worst you’ll get someone like Stain. At the same time they shouldn’t be so hard on the real heroes who stayed and are alive. The people weren’t there fighting, and they don’t have any answers as well. Being angry is one thing and understandable but needlessly blaming others is moronic.
The way i saw the todoroki walking in bit is
Endeavor:"i cant fight my own son"
Todoroki: "b*tch, what did you just say after all the beating me up you put me through as a child"
its one thing to fight because you're military grade train your kid. It's another when you fight with the aim of ACTUALLY WANTING to kill your kid.
That moment when Endeavor was crying and Shoto saw and closed the door 😂
Most deserved door slam in history.
Endeavor’s FINALLY getting a healthy dose of reality from the people he hurt.
I know that people are willing to fight back against criminals, but but with weapons like that, and a battle like that it could cause major destruction to the area. That’s why there’s rules or the law about why only license heroes Should be the ones to face the criminals or villains; man where is the trust
Not to mention that the money being spent on these weapons are going straight into Re-Destro’s funds.
@@Little1Cave from what you said if that keeps happening the more they buy it even after the madness is over those people might not have enough money to get back their homes or buy anything, especially foods or clothing and having to pay their phone bill. Yeah That’s messed up.
On the subject of Hawks, I gotta say, it's super interesting that his dad, who was probably charged with domestic abuse, got arrested by another domestic abuser. It really goes to show how hypocritical hero society can be.
As for Endeavor, as much as this sucks for him, I can't say he didn't have this coming. Like, of course he’s gonna start crying now once everything starts to catch up to him.
You're playing stupid for no reason
His father was a murderer first and foremost, domestic abuse was the least of his crimes. Also with the timeline might not have lined up to that point of Endeavor's life, idk.
@@In-The-Zone Well, kinda. Thing is that he was still probably charged with it even though it wasn’t his biggest crime. And honestly, I think the timeline lines up pretty well overall. Endeavor was number two and Hawks is still pretty young.
17:30 - He's the carbonation villain that Bakugo and Todoroki originally caught when they just got their provisional licenses.
Rei finally approaching Enji and standing up to him is one of the most satisfying moments in the series for me ngl.
You mean acknowledging that he wasn't the only bad parent here and she's at fault too? Yeah, it was great
@@ashyroy9454 That's more of a case of the victim blaming themself. Rei shouldn't blame herself since she's barely at fault for any of this, but it's realistic for her to do it.
@@ashyroy9454don't bother, trust me, not worth the effort
@@You-Tube-n5k They were both terrible, maybe you didn't see what happens next (anime and manga) but everything that happened was because they both messed up
@@droiidaster I’m well aware of what happens next, and Rei honestly wasn’t that bad. She at least tried to offer some guidance for Toya, Shoto, and the others, but was given zero resources to actually seek out any professional help. The only remotely awful thing that she did was exclusively because of how Enji made her go insane. Plus she immediately tried to help Shoto after what happened, unlike Enji who took several years to even consider how awful he was.
I’m not going to act like Rei was an amazing parent, but Enji is solely to blame for pretty much everything that went wrong, as shown in the next episode.
The whole "People making justice for themselves" felt like a subtle anti gun message. People trying to punish criminals by themselves end up doing more damage
"Subtle"
Nah, that's not justice, that's self defense. Justice implies there's some moral or lawful nature about doing something to right a wrong or at least correct it. But guns particularly in America aren't meant nor intended for people to take the law into their own hands it has and always will be for self defense because the only person who can protect yourself is you when it comes down to it.
I found this out the other day, but in America there are still "bounty hunters" and sometimes the hunt the wrong people who are innocent
The irony of this Ep. being called "The Hellish Todoroki family, Part 2" when most of it had very little to do with them.
The Endeavour depression arc is in full swing.
Gotta love how so much of the fandom sees Tomura and Toya as good even though they have caused way more damge that was done to either of them but people will exuse any action they make just cause they where beat as kids even though they both have probably caused thousands of deaths. At the same time Kotaro who at worst slapped his son twice is seen as a irredemable dude and Endeavour get a lot of hate and probably even more than actual murderers.
Like you can like the villains more but if you pretend that they are in any way better morally then you are unironicaly more deluded than a yeagerist and tahts saying somthing.
sure lets just excuse the "hero"s phsyical and spousal abuse. you called them slaps but endavor straight up gut punch Todoroki and made him vomit. endeavor should be in prison and im not gonna even start with what he did to his wife because i dont want to spoil alicia.
@@micheal31091706 no one's excusing it endeavor knows what he did was wrong and that he was the one who caused everything with his family it dosent excuse what he did but at least he makes steps toward redemption, Toya Is stright up evil he relishes in killing people you can blame endeavor for it but only to a certain degree
I don't think most of those who pity Tomura and Toya see them as good, its more so they feel more like fictional characters with how extreme their crimes are, so much so they are hard to see as realistic. Also most of the people killed by them were villains or were killed casually and not focused on, which isn't an excuse but for fictional characters it will make the crimes have less impact for a casual reader. Kotaro and Endeavour's sins are more realistic, and to some people it's likely they have experienced or seen similar abuse in real life. Its also likely the abuse they experienced or saw is more extreme, and the real life abusers are worse people, so they will equate Kotaro and Endeavour to real horrible people and will have a hard time separating the real people from the fictional characters.
It have to do with being able to relate... Domestic abuse is a very real thing, even more so when compared to super human society. If these abused kids didn't have quirks, i doubt their crimes would be this extreme especially considering the quirk factor effect on peoples emotional well being. At most they would be troubled teenagers, probably apprehended by the police many times with a chance to be rehabilitated into society.
I think the reason why I’m personally more sympathetic towards the villains is that they were never given a proper chance to change. Like, Touya and Tomura are NOT better than Endeavor by any means, but I sympathize with them more on some level since Endeavor’s been given multiple chances to change and hasn’t made much of an effort until recently. Plus that effort pretty much stops at this moment, so it’s more or less where I stopped rooting for Endeavor entirely, but I’m getting ahead of myself. 😅
I feel like a lot more heroes need to follow Jeanist's example with the vehicles and mechanized support items.
Just because you want Endeavor to succeed doesn't mean you have to think he's a good person. Sometimes your actions are so bad that you can never truly be redeemed but you can still hope they someday forgive themselves.
To be fair, part of me kinda hopes Endeavor doesn’t forgive himself. The fact that he hates himself for what he did shows that he has at least some self-awareness.
@@natsuotodoroki I think after people accept they really fucked up they can start the journey of self forgiveness. He's your dad though so I don't want to tell you how to feel about him :p
I can't wait to see Alicia's emotional whiplash on the full todoroki family story
Yeah, it’s super messed up.
When I saw this episode, I was thinking that Dabi did many things that seems out of character for him.
This episode also proves what Stain been trying to say; fake heroes only care about fame, glory, avoiding responsibility, etc
these reactions def keep getting better, gets me re-hyped again
A lot of things have to get resolved, and the Todoroki family is one of the big ones. Something that's been essentially left alone for so long and left to fester. It's always worse if you leave an issue for later because it'll be harder to treat, and we saw that with Natsu and Shoto even though there were attempts. We got everyone back though so let's see what happens.
“It’s always worse if you leave an issue for later because it’ll be harder to treat.” I love this quote. I also want people to keep this in mind, because it really comes into play with how Endeavor handles things.
Before you immediately assume how Endeavor's family life has been, next ep will show you a contreversial backstory about how it's not how you think it is. There are multiple sides to every story.
Tbh, she’s pretty much right on the money with how the family backstory is, even without seeing the next episode. Not much was left to the imagination overall.
I don't get it. So some people distrust heroes now and they rely on themselves to fight against wrongdoings, but they also then blame heroes when that doesn't work? Like where does that make sense? Is it projecting their powerlessness?
They are facing a complete catastrophe, in hard times ppl will look for ppl to blame for whatever is happening, happens in real life too
@nicolaspereyra420 I think it's kind of like what mysterio said in Spider-Man: Far From Home, though in a different context
"People need to believe, and nowadays they'll believe anything"
I can't wait to see her reaction to the next one, since some of the things Alicia said, are a little more complex that what she thinks right now ^^.
Yeah, we get to see exactly how horrible Endeavor was. Like, you thought he was bad before? You’re about to get a front row seat to how awful he was.
@@natsuotodoroki Not only, for me, we can also see that he could have been a good father and husband, but that there was a point of no return which definitely made him fall into the worst.
@@spadeas49 Yeah, I guess. Endeavor started the family for his own corrupt reasons, but if he just had more self-awareness and empathy, then maybe things could’ve turned out a little better.
Endeavor was never as bad as Takami.
Honestly, I’d say their about on the same level. At least in terms of how they treated the people around them, as we’re about to see.
Oooo I am early today. Once again, we're at a turning point of the show. Things are gonna get wild from here on out.
It's almost time
Think about this..Endeavor Saved Hawks from an abuser only for Hawks to find out Endeavor abused his kids….
Favourite episode coming up....
After the Endeavor rant, I am waiting with anticipation for the next episode reaction, which casts a new light on things. ;)
I mean, that rant was 100% accurate though.
@@natsuotodoroki not disputing that.
@@merlinsmusings Fair enough.
remember how Rei burned Shoto with boiling water? just throwing it out there
Yeah, a lot of the time people act like Rei never did anything wrong when she’s the one who burned his face and used her quirk to accidentally make it worse. But of course people are just going to find a way to twist it to say that it’s completely Enji’s fault, which is something that they do A LOT. Like, he’s done some bad things, but you can’t seriously hold him accountable for every single action the people around him do. There’s a point where it has nothing to do with who’s a victim or who’s an abuser, and is just people doing terrible things.
Remember when the story actively says on multiple occasions that Rei was pushed to a mental breakdown because of how horribly Enji treated her? Just keep that in mind.
Yes. I do remember. And i also remember that she was subjected to horrific abuse to the point that she just mentally snapped. She realized what she did was wrong, tried to fix it, and spent several years essentially torturing herself over her actions.
People sometimes do really bad things. If they recognize their mistakes, apologize for them, and work to fix the damage they have done, their victims should be allowed to forgive them. Otherwise, what's the point of trying to be better?
Will the Iron Blooded Orphans stream make it to TH-cam someday?
Unpopular opinion (and maybe her opinion will change like mine). But also some of things Alicia accuses endeavour of never happened, so maybe not. But I really don’t blame Endeavour that much. He’s like a bad husband and ruined his family with his addiction to gaining a successor to rival All might. But I really think Toya ruined what could have been a functional family
I'm really looking forward to seeing what you'll think of Endeavor after next episode...
PAIN.
Skipped an episode or two, but just a reminder that Bakugo's voice actor also voices accelerator from toaru
For a while I was pissed at Hawks beyond belief. I thought what happened to him was comeuppance for killing Twice. I thought he an his bosses were one and the same.
But here he earned my forgiveness. It because of his abusive origin, for that he earned my sympathy, his righteous heart at that age eared my respect; but it wasn’t until he reflected and regretted upon himself that I forgave him. That he honestly took no pleasure or blind devotion in killing twice, and acknowledges his weakness in doing so. It’s not a matter of just saying “I was wrong,” it’s acknowledging it and promising to be better.
Plus his b--h of an “organization” (the architect of this and MANY other outcomes) he was working for is dead so there’s even more room for forgiveness.
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Also, one of the other good things that regretfully came out of this tragedy is that people are finally starting to defend themselves instead or relying upon another. But this way isn’t what I meant. Their abilities and powers should be explored and expressed so that they can protect themselves and those around them. But the fact that the old society basically restrained them so much was unhealthy and detrimental. It was doomed to fail, despite being so close. 🤦🏾♂️ At best you’ll get someone like Gental, at worst you’ll get someone like Stain.
At the same time they shouldn’t be so hard on the real heroes who stayed and are alive. The people weren’t there fighting, and they don’t have any answers as well. Being angry is one thing and understandable but needlessly blaming others is moronic.
Fun fact: Rei mean literally Ice
Not exactly, Rei(with kanji 冷) means "cool; cold; chill".
When did they show endevour abused all of his childrens 🤷🏾♂️🤔 ? Only one that got showed abusing is shoto
Child neglect is abuse. Even under criminal law.
PS: im not a manga reader im following the same episodes
@@aliciaxlife wow you responded 🤣🤣🤣 first time i been seen 🙈🙈
Next ep!
Day 156 of asking Alicia to play Nier:Automata!!