DID THE JUDGES GET IT RIGHT? - BattleBots Bonus Fight: Whiplash vs Monsoon | WCVII
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Always makes me laugh how that monsoon guy holds on to his missus like she's about to run away 😂
It reminds me of that "Hello everyone this is my girlfriend" meme where he looks like he's holding her hostage
The hold of a weak male
@@Ivo.Outdoor t. guy with no girlfriend
that's a country thing
@@Ivo.Outdoor Y'all get so weird when people love each other. Go outside.
The real fight of the week.
Fax
Tough decision. Whiplash clearly was more in control during this fight, but also clearly took more damage. I can understand the split decisions, and while Whiplash surely deserved the win, I would have given it to Monsoon for causing more damage
You don't get full damage points without shutting down a weapon. If they'd pushed and made sure of the weapon, the fight would have been theirs-it would have given them aggression and damage points. As it was, when they should have been dominating because Whiplash had no damage output-Monsoon held back.
@@ConstantlyDamaged No-one said Monsoon gets 5-0 on Damage. Buit per the judging guide itself, they get 4-1.
Im in for whiplash. They had nigh total control over the whole fight.
7:27 is when the action starts.
the true hero here
Right lol
Thank you, love the show hate the filler though so thanks
Finally. This was the fight of the night in episode 10. Not riptide vs shrederator.
I honestly thought this was a win for monsoon. Whiplash did little to no damage, but monsoon just tore apart the front side of whiplash. Whiplash didn’t even have a working weapon for half the fight.
(Edit: I do understand whiplash had more control, but it was mainly during the beginning. Monsoons powerful weapon did have some say in the control as well. It was a really close fight though. Whiplash is hard to outdrive.)
Not spinning their weapons was probably a strategic decision to have more control rather than a malfunction
I wanted monsoon to win but control and aggresion can easily beat damage when they are together
@@sonny19931 Deciding to turn your weapon off should cost a team their aggression points. Losing the aggression category alongside damage (since half of Whiplash's drivetrain was disabled) should've made this Monsoon's victory.
@@pinko_k9500 Monsoon won on aggression per the judging guide though, and would score at least 1 in control. There's no way Whiplash won.
@@Cha0sjur1j Why? They were constantly engaging and chasing Monsoon, they just chose to rely more on their lifter because it was the smarter choice.
Damage: 3-2 or 4-1 for Monsoon - Whiplash had a functional weapon, but reduced effectiveness on its defense (forks) and drive. Monsoon looked like it had some drive trouble towards the end, but it's hard to tell.
Aggression: 2-1 Monsoon - Both bots attempted a lot of attacks, but Whiplash hardly ever used its primary weapon.
Control: Easy 0-3 for Whiplash - it consistently controlled the fight and could maneuver around Monsoon's blade.
Add it up and it's either a 5-6 or a 6-5, depending on how badly damaged Monsoon was at the end, so yeah, split decision sounds right.
There's no way Damage is as close at 3-2 Monsoon I think was only struggling due to gyro. Idk why people think Monsoon won aggression Whiplash initiated almost every attack
@@nametab6415 Some people are forgetting, that lifter is also a weapon and therefore consider no action on spinner as "no use of primary weapon". But the main weapon (excluding driving) is lifter, and lifter was used.
The lifter is whiplash’s primary weapon. The disc is secondary (like gruff’s flame thrower, big dill’s spinner, and mad catter’s lifting arm)
It actually became a unanimous decision afterwards, still in favour of Whiplash as the Monsoon team appealed the decision, which was of course unsuccessful
I feel like whiplash definentally deserves way more in the aggression category because the lifter is its primary weapon, and also, the boldness (charging monsoon even with a high risk of getting damaged) factors heavily into the aggression category
I think this was some smart play from Whiplash. They were going to win the control fight every time, they realize that their weapon just wasn’t going to land the big hits it needs, so by turning it off for a while they can give a bit of a fake out to Monsoon, and by turning back on can make it clear ‘Nope, not broken, just lazy”.
I honestly think that they should remove the spinner entirely. That way Matt Vazquez can show how much a robot with a low ground game, and one of the best drivers in modern battlebots can go.
@@tamarahamaker7734 I feel like it's best with the spinner .. Without it it just cannot deal any damage whatsoever and winning just by control over damage is against you in the JD .. also Whiplash performs better with the spinner overall despite not being that powerful
@@TheTrooperMB I see your argument but whiplash has struggled with that spinner so far this season
@@tamarahamaker7734 true, but whiplash has had huge success with the spinner in previous seasons
@@zoltax9904 yeah that’s true also
Video starts at 7:28 😊
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you.
No the video starts at 0:00, the fight starts at 7:30
@@ExplosiveRobotics 😂😂😂😂
@@ExplosiveRobotics no the video starts at 7:30, for all of us click this video🤣
They both deserves W
So a draw lol
A tie 🤣
That's not the way it works, though. 😅
*L
It was a good fight. Good fights usually get noted by the selection committee
I love how Monsoon tried to appeal the decision only for the judges to give Whiplash the victory by unanimous decision 😂
None of what you said is true... dafuck are you on about? lol that's some good drugs you got over there!
Unbelievable I know. It used to be a split decision until Monsoon makes an appeal and turned into unanimous decision to Whiplash.
It was still worth appealing imo, very close!
@@mozzy207
Yes it's very close but I think Whiplash win that by a very slight margin
That really showed the judges got it wrong big time tbh. Even per their OWN GUIDE that they're supposed to follow, Monsoon won as a fact of rules.
Even the winning team where not beliving it. Says it all.
My scorecard for the match, in my opinion:
Damage: 3-2 in favour of monsoon, they did the greater amount of damage yes, but even losing a side of drive didn't have too great of an impact on Whiplash's maneuvourability.
Aggression 1-2 in favour of Whiplash, the majority of engagement was them initiating and therefore being aggressive. The lifter is far more the primary weapon, and Whiplash continued to attempt to make use of it in the fight.
Control: 0-3 in favour of Whiplash, they were all over Monsoon and pretty much dictated where the fight was, consistantly using the short corners to cut down the options for maneuvours by Monsoon, and trying to stay to the sides of the weapon.
Final score: 4-7 Whiplash
And that's from someone who supported Monsoon.
Thank you for including MadCatter's segment, that was hilarious!
Whiplash's primary weapon is the lifter
No it isn’t
@@googlecorn1410 the spinner is set in the arm, the lifter is the primary weapon
@@madpsycho6 No... the primary weapon is what can do the most damage so the vertical spinner is the main weapon lol 🤦♂
@@Bender789456123 what was its primary weapon last season then? The disc?
@@Bender789456123 That isn't how it works, otherwise there would be no control bots (lifters, flippers etc.) without a damaging weapon in the competition. Last year Whiplash proved that it could make it to the Round of 16 without using their disc at all, just the lifting arm.
It would be nice if we could see the judge scores in a situation like this...
Watching the fight, it is a Whiplash win.
Whenever they traded blows, whiplash determined where they went and how long they fought. Even without their spinner they were pushing Monsoon into the hazards around the ring and avoiding any really big hits.
Monsoon was able to get some good damage, but the way whiplash is built prevents it from being easily taken out with only back hits being a good way to get damage that would disable the mobility and cause a countdown.
In the end, Whiplash just had the better maneuverability and power to keep the fight under control while monsoon was getting partially tipped with every collision so they couldn't bring their full power to the fight.
If Whiplash had such good control it wouldn't have been smashed up so badly. Terrible decision.
I think it was the correct call. Monsoon definitely wins damage but whiplash easily had much more control of the fight and IMO was the more aggressive bot as well
The judging guide however tells that Aggression is defined by weapon use. Whiplash turned off one of their weapons, and never did much with their other one. Thus by definition, Monsoon wins 2-1 on Aggression.
@@Retrosicotte Lifter is also whiplashes weapon.
@@Retrosicotte the flipper is the primary, they turned the secundary off to gain more control and capaitlised on that, just having a big weapon and having your opponent run into it as your oppenent takes the more aggresive stance isn't enough to get winning points, it's literally selfinflicted damage
I enjoy this show but do we really need the 7:30 minutes of fluff before the fight starts?
This is why I only watch this show in clips on youtube. Drag the slider until you see the fight start then backup to the red battle box lights. :)
They need to try and set the stage for non-regulars, plus a longer video is better for the algorithm. I believe 15 minutes is the sweet spot but if you can’t hit that you’re still better off getting somewhat close to it
3-2 in favour of Monsoon for damage, 1-2 in favour of Whiplash for control, so it would have come down to aggression and I think 1-2 in favour of Whiplash would be the right call there, so I'm with the judges on this. Tough call though.
How is either robot not being "aggressive" ? That's so 4ucking vague... lol
Per the judges guide Monsoon gets 4-1 on Damage and 2-1 on Aggression. So by definition the judges were wrong.
@@Frosty_tha_Snowman It is a matter of which is more aggressive, the judges have to distribute 3 points between the two bots for aggression so if it is close it will be 2-1 either way, and if a bot is clearly more aggressive then it will be 3-0 to the aggressive bot. It was very close on aggression in this fight but I think the speed of Whiplash made it stand out as more aggressive.
@@AusSkiller that flew right over your head, my guy.
@@Retrosicotte Nah both bots clearly had drive and weapon issues at the end of the fight so they would have been pretty even on damage there, so it was only really some non-critical armour on whiplash that was the difference so I'd definitely go with 3-2 in favour of Monsoon. The difference in damage between them wasn't worthy of a 4-1, Monsoon would have needed to be in better shape to justify a 4-1. Maybe if the weapon was able to get up to speed or if they still had full mobility I'd agree with a 4-1, but they were in pretty rough shape just like whiplash, but whiplash also have that top plate ripped up a bit. A 4-1 would also have been justified if they had completely disabled the weapon on Whiplash, but it was still somewhat working so a 3-2 is definitely more fitting.
Battle 7:30
Though it did more damage than Whiplash, the damage Monsoon did was mostly superficial and did not actually affect Whiplash's ability to control the fight, which it did, and proved to be the more aggressive of the two. With that said, I think the judges (except Lisa, of course) did a good job of scoring the fight.
3:29 "I toOld you it wasn't a LIe" - Nice voicecrack there!
0:45 Production and most importantly the sound effect guy is working above his pay grade
Fight start at 7:30
That’s a lot of padding.
Whiplash won the match.
To say that Whiplash has done no damage is disingenuous, Whiplash left scratches, bent a couple forks and in 9:42 , *Monsoon was limping in curves* . It's less blatant than Whiplash loss of drive since Whiplash is faster. Whiplash also got under Monsoon many many times, Monsoon literally *could not do anything else but face their spinners towards Whiplash.* Monsoon definitely won on damage.
We never got to see the close up shots of damage to Monsoon's underbelly either either. Whiplash *bullied* Monsoon throughout, it dodged a few hits but never ran away. Its weapon can still spin up towards the end of the match. You're *bound to get hit* when you have to be aggressive against a big reach spinner like Monsoon.
*Whiplash has lost a side drive and is still dominating Monsoon.*
Ps. Whiplash's primary weapon is the lifter and it has gotten lifts. Whiplash has also used its spinner to some extent.
Dominate in which way? Whiplash got smashed up, lost half its drive and weapon for most of the fight. Terrible decision.
👉Battle begins at 7:29. 👍
Whiplash took damage as he was forced onto Monsoon's blade, but Whiplash did more aggression and even control.
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Unlike most of the comments, I really enjoy the "fillers" They give the people behind and the show itself more character. A quick overview of the last fights is always interesting and i liked the Mat Catter Sketch.
I think this is another example of Skorpios vs Ice Wave where casually it feels like the right robot won but I dont understand, how on the Damage - Control -Agression Scorecard this is anything but a 6-5 Monsoon win (4-1-1-) vs Whiplash (1-2-2) maybe control needs brought up to 5 points as a category?
Judges scored control 3-0 to Whiplash. Honestly I would agree after rewatching. Whiplash is the aggressor mostly, but it's not like monsoon got any free hits. Whiplash was on them the whole time, even after they lost some drive. That's 3-0 control if you ask me.
@@chickens-yt I agree with the majority being given to Whiplash but I feel Monsoon was controlled enough to get 1 point several times in the match it would be able to pivot itself into a position where they could land a big shot on Whiplash
finally monsoooooon ist back, we go in
Ads and other things like it in the middle are surprisingly good for the mystery of the result. Not knowing if the match is going to end fast or not
This was a dream fight of mine for a long time and it didn't disappoint
i agree with the judges on this, monsoon didnt do great damage and it definitely lost control.
the only damage monsoon did was uproot a bit of the top plate and mess up a fork, and only near the end did whiplash loose left drive
The whiplash weapon is so useless that they prefer to leave it turned off, just to reduce the risk of it stopping working and taking points of damage.
Monsoon won
Whiplash is just a pusher bot, you can't gain aggression points if your weapon isn't working
For those not in the know, the judges decision was appealed by the Monsoon team afterwards off camera. It was unsuccessful, but what made it much more confusing was the judges decision went from split to unanimous in Whiplash's favour.
I felt Whiplash edged it anyway, even though I prefer Monsoon as they have been absent for so long, but Monsoon would've got most of the damage points, as Whiplash lost the forks, one of the top panels peeled back, and one side of drive compromised. I dunno how it became unanimous.
Judges go it right… Monsoon’s weapon made contact often, but damage was limited. Damage was limited all around, but Whiplash had more control and showed more consistent aggression throughout the length of the battle.
2nd best main event this season so far. Glad to see whiplash finally get a win
The best it's still being Minotaur vs Cobalt, right? (Tell me no and you'll meet me…)
@Lucas Sosa yeah Minotaur vs Cobalt is definitely the best main event and best fight this season by miles. This fight was fantastic as well
@@ryanbates3319 I think Kenny Florian comments really made the fight. He was so, so excited that it really feel like a fan more (which actually it is, but you know what I mean).
@@TheSuperPlayer707 definitely, you're right. But I feel like minotaur vs cobalt and whiplash vs monsoon were the only good main events this season. The rest were either too short or too one sided
@@jonathanf2392 Sadly yes. Too lame in matter of main events this season. Nothing like Skorpios vs Yeti, Copperhead vs Lockjaw or Hypershock vs Lockjaw from last season.
Whiplash clearly was on the lashing end of the fight. These judges need another judge with unbiased opinions.
Monsoon has such a sick design
I agree with the judges. While Monsoon won the damage category, Whiplash won the aggression and especially the control categories.
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Captain Shrederator Vs Riptide
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Main Event
Monsoon Vs Whiplash
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I maintain Monsoon should have won, they used their main weapon the entire fight, bent Whiplashes forks, tore up from of the top armour.. The only thing I think Whiplash won on was Control..
As an aside, Monsoon always seems to have more luck with the solid plow front
In The Main Event with 0-2 2020 Runner Up Whiplash Vs 1-1 Returning Bot Monsoon
Guy is enjoying Grinding, match is secondary !!
Why isn't this show on TV anymore !?!
Skip the first 7 minutes...
I don't know how being a punching bag is to have control of the match.
Good battle y’all
Feels like Whiplash got the hometown discount in this one.
Yes.
That was a close one but I think it’s a fair decision
I think the outcome was fair
agression is a must to be rewarded in battle bots
Whiplash flips over too easily, and can't take advantage of its heavy weapon because of it. It needs some sort of reversible wheelie bar to keep it from flipping so easily
Bonus fight, aka the real fight of the week
the judges got it right imo
Shure whiplash didn't do much damage but it dominated the fight even with 1/2 drive, and monsoon wisent able to much damage that effected whiplashes ability to function as intended
Battle begins at 7:26
I wonder, if Whiplash was found to have deliberately shut down their weapon to prevent it getting broken / damaged, would the judges deduct points from their aggression score?
Feel like it was pretty obviously Whiplash, and seems like the judges (who ruled even harder in its favour after the appeal) agreed.
Monsoons driving left a lot to be desired , missed countless opportunities to attack whiplash from the side & rip on those wheels .
Excellent fight
The way I see it .. Monsoon should be the winner
Did Jason Vasquez call the judges 'idiots'? 11:57
I mean yeah sometimes they are but can't say this so openly as competitor 😂
Each point is worth as much as the others. Damage is more valuable because there are more Damage points up for grabs (5) than for Aggression and Control (3 each). You need six total points to win a judge's scoring. Whiplash got at least 2 points each on Aggression and Control, so only needed 2 more points. Monsoon did take damage (drive train trouble at minimum), so that's at least one more point.
Whiplash only needed one more point to win a judge's card, and two judges felt they earned that point.
This was CLEARLY a Monsoon win!!!
Whiplash did very little damage and they didn't even have a powered weapon for most of the match. Aggression and control looked pretty even to me also.
monsoons design is just too safe for it to get any points in control because of that inversion
I would personally go for monsoon just because the way I look at things actual damage should outweigh control
A weird choice to include the MadCatter mid commercial segment here.
They left the Martin Mason impression skit in the upload, but left out the fact that Monsoon appealed the decision. So odd.
Fight start @7.30
Think it came down to how the damage points and aggression were distributed. Whiplash could've been awarded more aggression points than Monsoon so they could've won 6-5 on the cards
Whiplash without a doubt
Fight only starts at 7:31
werent judges supposed to care about damage caused by primary weapons and all that
10:28 she got scared 😂
Monsoon's forks seemed to get in the way to me. Next time try without them at least on one side (up/down).
Monsoon won that fight. It didn't have a scratch.
They got it wrong, Damage needs to start holding more impact on split decisions.
Fight starts at @6:56
Monsoon wasn't aggressive and didn't control Whiplash at all that fight. So yeah, judges got that right
Thay cut the video before monsoon guy started raging
Monsoon win
Remember when Beta beat Rotator without even swinging his hammer once before it got broken by Rotator
In BattleBots 2022
The fight starts at 7.30.
Monsoon is clearly an offensive bot that's meant to be aggressive and not a grappler like whiplash
the rating was in favor of whiplash from the start and i understand Monsoon's team frustration over the verdict.
Excelent Mo nsoon design
I think it all comes down to whether Whiplash deserves 2 control points or all 3. Monsoon clearly wins damage 4-1, and aggression should be split 2-1. As long as you win 4 damage points, to win, all you have to do is get two more points. I can also see Monsoon getting 2 aggression points because Whiplash did intentionally have their weapon off
I love how every time monsoon loses
It's just PERFECT
Almost as perfect as your spelling 😂
Definitely a unanimous Whiplash decision with the judging matrix system we have. In previous seasons it would have gone to Monsoon solely on damage and weapon usage.
Fight begins at 7:27
Oof tough one but I think the judges got it wrong, damage was definitely with Monsoon here. This stinks of, we don't want Whiplash going home.
I'd say judges get it wrong more than half the fights. Control??? What if I just want to sit still while you run into my weapon. Obviously not the case here but come on the amount of damage half the drive train and a good chunk of armor.
Will do give me a bit
Judges got it right IMO
I think monsoon win.
The amount of padded runtime in this TV show is unbelievable... I did the math - they have a 1 hour and 24 minute run time, and only 7, 3 minute long fights.. that's 21 minutes, and many fights don't even last the entire length, so it's more like 15 minutes.... that's an hour of just... nothing. Except for Faruq - he's worth watching. Lol
starts 7:30
It was a crw3d reaction. Fan favorite wins again?