Yeah it is GT4, and NASCAR is unique in a lot of ways, going "stock" wouldn't work exactly. I don't know if you could make a common series like GT4, and the rest of the world, lots of turn left reinforcements etc
@@THESLlCK Go watch sprint cars if you like them. Generally more exciting racing anyway. Beadlocks would never be allowed on Cup cars. NASCAR and Goodyear dictate a minimum air pressure well above pressures that would require a bead lock though tires slipping on a wheel and becoming unbalanced is not unheard of.
@@daltonbedore8396 I think the whole GT racing genre is just not advertised very well. I dont know if its lacking the marketing budget or sth but if you compare the marketing of GT racing to F1, the difference is huge. Imo any racing series can't really get popular if they arent marketing it well. Another problem i think is that GT races are kinda hard to get into as a viewer, if you compare the race highlights of F1 to GT3/4, the GT races dont even have the live position charts/remaining laps in the highlights. How am i suppose to know whats going on as a new viewer whos trying to get into watching the sport?
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance all generations of Supra had an l6, this latest BMW co-devved one also has an l4 option but yeah Unless you meant it for the memes, then it's an overused joke :P
I would've loved to see the Hellcat added to this lineup as well. I know Dodge doesn't run in NASCAR anymore, but they have a history of being really competitive before the move to the new bodies. It would've been great to see them get some representation
@@FearlessLeader2001 not to mention the hellcat actually has a track pack you can buy from the factory. its just the fact of its engine. the hemi would kill alot. but dodge does have their other V8. the 383 big block
The GT Class in the Trans Am series is sort of like this. The Trans Am series as a whole isn't very popular though so I don't know if this would go over very well.
Not really, it's more a conglomeration of old one make series cars, and "Cup" series cars. Stuff like Viper ACR, older Porsche cup cars, so on. It's what GT3 was when it first formed.
@@dylanhale7300 , That's Super GT class. The GT class is a little closer but does include older models. I haven't kept up with Trans Am because they don't put all the full races on youtube anymore. Also the coverage doesn't really focus on GT classes. Mainly TA and TA2, which are pretty cool too but not stock.
Used to absolutely love watching Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge series here on TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/aX6rd0hafrA/w-d-xo.html Huge fields of cars, incredible number of different manufactures of every possible car type with mostly stock looking cars, lots of contact and door to door racing. Exactly what I want from racing.
@@MagicTankGaming No its actually based off of the GT350 but with GT badging, if you compare the splitter bottom grille design to the GT it won't match up but it does with the GT350. Also the GT350 has the outdated headlights which is what the Cup Car is using.
@All These Squares Make A Circle , I'm sorry, but that's what the manufacturer calls it, so that's what it is. No matter how much you hate it, it's called a Supra, end of story.
@@BoltRM there was a few Pinto race cars back in the day. Some even raced at Daytona on the road course. Believe it or not but they made for a pretty nice looking racecar!
@@fostbitten5721 I always liked the looks of the Pinto. A friend had a clone, called the Bobcat. "Mercury offered rebadged versions of the Pinto as the Mercury Bobcat from 1975 to 1980 (1974-1980 in Canada)."
That's basically now I play rFactor. Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, C63, M3, CTS, GTO and some others vs. Civic, Bora, Corolla, Fluence, and some others. Right now it's Honda vs. Chevy for the manufacturer's championship.
@@fostbitten5721 Pintos were raced in the Trans Am U2.5 Challenge, but never very competitively. The Cortinas and Escorts were a bit more competitive. Of course it was mostly just Datsun vs. Alfa with everyone else competing for scraps. I don't believe the Fords, Bimmers, Super Beetles or the Toyota 1600 were factory cars, meanwhile Datsun and Alfa both had what amounted to works teams.
But why? The cars would be incredibly slow and boring. Like people are already annoyed at how slow nascar is *currently*. Only people who don't even watch nascar say this, tbh. The current cars are cool, they just need to lower the downforce and bump the hp up.
I guess _tecnically_ we have GT cars/Time Attack/Formula Drift/Rally/etc. A car that's heavily modified but still retains most of it's physical identity of the road variant. I've always loved seeing race cars that can resemble what people can buy. I've personally never really liked Nascar, Formula, and LMP.
@@YashaAstora it been proven that Relative speed is what makes series exciting. Meaning that we as fans love noise battles and tight racing. How is that proven? Tons of minor series mostly Europe where nimble cars race amongst themselves. I’d be all for it.
@@YashaAstora except I want to see cars that can actually be on the road not some monster created in a garage that I couldn’t possibly understand the mechanics of
Thanks for making this video. I have been making this argument for 20 years, and I'm pretty sure a huge majority of stock car racing fans who grew up watching nascar would probably welcome it.
The Supra would have made more sense in this experiment. As implausible as it is, IF nascar did go back to showroom cars it stands to reason that Toyota would move the Supra up to the cup series, or develop another RWD platform.
@@DanArnets1492 toyota literally doesn't have an inline six in their lineup having to engineer a brand new one would've made the car upwards of $100,000.
This is quite intriguing. I can actually see Dodge returning to Nascar. And if GM is so inclined, they could resurrect the Pontiac brand and bring out their GTO from 2004 - or perhaps a Holden/Vauxhall Monaro? If we're talking hypothetically, we could even see the likes of BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar running Nascar Cup races. Just a thought... PS - the opening shots of classic Nascars on the beach track has given me an idea for your next project - how would present day Nascar Cup cars do on the classic Daytona Beach circuit?
Points he missed/ said wrong. • The Camry is offered with a AWD 310hp V6 • Supra has an Inline 6 not a V6 • ZL1 1LE (200mph) has higher top speed then Mustang (155-160mph)
Trans AM's TA-2 class is pretty close to what you showed here but with some suspension upgrades. There are so many cars in this class they run by themselves not with another class. This class pits on good racing.
The TA-2 class cars are still silhouette cars like NASCAR stock cars. In the first few years of the class there were some cars that were straight up late model stock car chassis with Watts linkage rear suspension in place of a Panhard bar and muscle car body panels. I will say that Howe Racing did a much better job making their TA-2 cars look like the production cars than NASCAR did.
BTW, there's this thing ‘street stock racing’, with lowish-powered cars. Particularly, there are mods for rFactor 1, and they are a lot of fun on short tracks-of which rF1 had plenty in mods. Alas, nothing like that exists for rF2, and the track selection is also limited. With the cars in the vid, you'd probably have a better time on tracks around 0.75 to one mile long.
Just my 2 cents. But modern "stock cars" can only be identified by the stickers on the sides. Its boring to see 40 some cars, exactly the same speed, exactly the same sound.
The biggest problem with trying to bring back standard prodcution car race series is that governments have been actively regulating against race-ready road cars since at least the '70s. Standard production cars now are so much heavier with all the added safety features, with engines that are more oriented towards increased efficiency and reduced emissions rather than more power, and computer controlled electronics that interfere to prevent the driver pushing to the limits of grip.
Ok, so your intro was the first time I saw a deep yet concise answer to that old question of "why and when did NASCAR go from actual stock cars to standardised space frame chassis?" it's the first time I saw the gas crisis as a factor, and it makes so much more sense now. thanks, mate.
Unless I missed something, I don't really understand why you'd take the engine out of the current Supra and put it into a Camry. Why not use the current Supra itself instead? According to Toyota its top speed is 155 mph which you'd think could be competitive in this scenario.
I think because the Cup series is supposed to be the sedans while the xfinity series is the the pony car series. Granted they use mustangs and Camaro’s now
I YEARN for a return to factory car races! Especially on tough tracks that pushed the cars to their limits. Watching a bunch of Mustangs & Camry TRDs tearing themselves up on sandy beach roads would be absolutely amazing
It seriously would not be that hard. Add a roll-cage, add those anti-flying flaps or whatever they call it, engines can be modified (with regulations) BUT need to be based off of blocks available to buy in that specific make and model. You would need to change a few rules, but it could definitely work and people would definitely watch it.
They way auto companies are heading, this will end up being SUVs with either hybrid or all electric drivetrains. The sedan is starting to die out, sports/performance cars are next on the list.
I honestly don't get the SUV craze most of them are either ugly or just worse performing station wagons on slightly bigger wheels. Hell some of them don't even have AWD.
Piotr Dąbrowski I used to be the same as you....then I had kids. I'm 6.4 with a 36 in inseam. In order to fit a car seat behind me, you've gotta have an SUV or pickup. Then if you travel with little kids, you have to bring a lot of gear. Cars just don't work. At least this is the case for my family. We got rid of sedans and have a truck and an SUV now.
@@IraqVet0608 I guess what I meant is more applicable to crossovers, if you have a large family then a large SUV is a no brainer. But crossovers, I really struggle to find one thing they do better than a sedan or a wagon in a comprable price range.
Cool experiment. NASCAR I think should go one of two ways: full crazy, no restrictor plates, 250mph+ on straights, twin turbo'd massive engines with 15 inch stickies. OR. Homologation only, with a HP restriction to keep it kind of fair.
Well your getting neither. Your getting Indy car. 100%, spec chassis and bodies. After this year you can’t even build your own car it must be purchased.
@@codyjarvis I frankly don't follow any motor sports too closely but I haven't heard about this. So now the racing sport memed on worldwide for being a few dozen of the same cars driving in circles... is gonna be even more homogeneous? what happened to the passion in motorsports? I wanna go back to group B. :(
@@stevebutters306 Nah he is blowing it of proportion. NASCAR is going to have a “spec” chassis yes but really the chassis have been so similar for the longest time that it makes no difference. As for the Bodies they aren’t spec between Manufacters. Instead it’s just composite body panels so you can’t tweak it like you can with sheet metal. Both these changes are to help small teams compete and to help the racing by creating a car that’s not as sensitive to aero.
@@stevebutters306 honestly its almost More back to its roots. the individual Manufacturer bodies will resemble the street variant Much More now though.
Apply this to specific eras in the Cup Series: May 1989 - November 1997: The Thunderbird demolishes all of GM's entries due to being rear-wheel drive. 1998-2004: Tough to say which car would be the most competitive since all the cars at this point are front-wheel drive; not to mention the many various trim levels. 2005-12: A base model Dodge Charger kicks its competitors to the curb since it's rear-wheel drive. Every other entry is a front-wheel drive car. 2013-17: Another case of deja vu as Chevrolet's SS being the only rear-wheel drive car means it has no competition. The power gap between the AWD Fusion and the RWD SS is too great for the Fusion to tackle, even on short tracks.
This is what happened in IMSA Camel GT series. It started with GT cars that you could buy at a new or used car dealer. Add a roll bar/cage plus a few engine/suspension modifications and go professional auto racing. Nowadays the cars barely resemble the street versions. And the top classes are pure prototype racecars that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
NASCAR's non-championship exhibition races should be run to GT4 regs from now on. That's one way to ensure that they don't treat the Busch Clash and the All Star race as test sessions.
I'd like to see them go in the direction V8 Supercars has: A dedicated, one-size-fits-all (literally) tube chassis similar to what they use now, but wearing bodywork designed to mimic the production models as closely as the chassis dimensions will allow, complete with working exterior lights and opening doors. Also adopt production based engines (e.g. blocks, heads and other parts have to have regular casting and part numbers) that are limited to about 600 hp; how the manufacturers get to that number would be left up to them (big V8, boosted turbo four, etc.) and last, but most definitely not least, cut aero grip by about 50% and mechanical grip by about 25% relative to what the current low downforce package generates.
This would be great. I have less than zero interest in whatever NASCAR is supposed to be now. It’s not an interesting style of racing in any way, so it could really benefit from the added interest of manufacturer competition.
It would be interesting to see this as a side "circuit". Not entirely replacing the current vehicles, but being its own seperate thing. There is a lot of charm in the standardized cars, especially in their robustness (nothing like just gorilla taping a panel back on and heading back to the race). But yes seeing genuine "stock" would be really cool to see develop alongside the other nascar series.
Which they would return to stock cars, of coarse with the safety stuff installed. Cages, seats, belts, tires, fire safe cells and things like that. But to me, the stock car is the body, frame, and engine. They can improve the stock engine, reinforce the stock frames, and no modifications to the body. It has become a dynasty and a regular person could never compete. Nascar needs to return to that to save themselves.
What makes NASCAR appealing to me is the rigid control ensuring all cars are more or less equal before crew settings and drivers make the difference. This produces far better racing than more open series where people are allowed to use technological advantages.
They need to race actual stock cars. 1000 car minimum, all factory options, stock appearing except for safety features, stock tires, otherwise unlimited.
This sort of series would be good if teams were only allowed to enter a single car and there was some sort of relationship with second hand dealers or spare parts businesses. It'd be ethical and environmental as well, since it's cheaper to keep an old car going and single-car teams would be able to have a closer relationship with spectators. If NASCAR wanted to go electric doing it near the grassroots level would be the best option at the moment since you'd have to convince local garages about maintenance of EVs
I've been a nascar fan since I was a toddler and I still call them nascars. If you call it a nascar everyone knows what you mean. If you say stock car, it may be proper, but it is inaccurate terminology and confusing to people who think stock actually means stock.
This was awesome! Side note, you can train the AI on any track and car in Assetto by enabling the developer apps. Works very well basically they learn your racing line.
Man it would be awesome to get a server going with these and have some subscribers drive with ya! (I WOULD LOVE TO RACE YOU)! 😂 But on the real. It’d be so fun! Great video as always bro! Keep up the great work! Much love from Vermont!💯🤙🇺🇸
Full stock no. But stock bodies & maybe OEM-style engines & suspension? ABSOLUTELY. It would be awesome if Ford ran their Coyote based V8, Chevy with their LT V8s & Toyota with their UR V8s! Front engine rear wheel drive layout like it always has been in NASCAR. I’m a bit of a traditionalist so H-pattern manual gearboxes would be my choice over the sequential they’re planning to go to next season. Edit: oh & in regards to suspension I meant “stock style” suspension. Using upgraded suspension components of course but maintaining stock suspension locations.
This would be interesting as a low tier series perhaps. I just really wish people would stop saying that stock cars are the same as production cars. I know the manufacturers are a big deal and don't get me wrong I love their involvement in the sport, but honestly I'd rather see a series with no brand identity and high HP, low downforce than what NASCAR has currently. I love how different stock cars are from normal cars, it's fascinating to see such barebones raw power cars that only vaguely resemble street cars. That's what makes them inherently exciting, and separates them from Sports car series like GT cars or V8 Supercars.
Actually I think it would be a great idea to have them go back to stock I believe it would force manufacturers you actually develop great lower and cars for the masses
That's an awesome coincidence. I was just thinking about this the other day and how awesome and more viseral it would be. And now i can have a glimpse of that.
to be honest. this is proper nascar. cleetus did something very similar called the le mullets 2.4 hours where you had to drive a nitrous equipped crown vic around an oval track called the freedom factory
I quit being a Nascar fan nearly 20 years ago after being avid. I've attended tracks several, and went 20years without missing a race. This idea would certainly bring alot of us back
i think the biggest thing keeping "stock" cars from being race cars is all the extra junk that new cars have these days. so much would have to be removed like airbags and a lot of the interior just so a cage could be built and the car reasonably easy to work on. that alone would probably have the cpu throwing all sorts of fault codes putting the car in limp mode etc. so they would have to have special ECUs to accommodate that. back in the day, a race car and a street car didnt have much difference. they were both empty metal boxes with just the essentials to make it go. these days race cars are still just that, but street cars are more like kitchen appliances, plastic and made JUST stong enough to not fall apart during manufacturer recommend use. my point is they would have to be modified so much from stock that one would question if its even worth it. look at gt3 cars, they're a stock car turned race car and theres still not much left of the original car.
Interesting. a bit similar to Group A & C Touring Cars in Australia in the 1970 through to the mid 1990s. I love the idea that sims can attempt to recreate those classic days of racing that just can't re done, or we don't have time machine for. i don't know if at has been done already, but i love to a recreation of the original Daytona Beach Road Circuit used before the big oval was constructed with cars of the period. a great period of time in stock car racing. :)
2021 models. Including the Challenger because someone would be running them if we were talking stock. Camaro ZL1 650 HP 650 lb-ft Shelby GT500 760 HP 620 lb-ft Challenger Redeye 797 HP 707 lb-ft Camry TRD 301 HP 267 lb-ft
I think it needs to find a middle ground. The trouble with actual stock is that the manu's would just put stiff suspension on, and more HP, and then some aero, and before you knew it you'd be close to the late 60s banana cars. You'd also have a series that looked a lot like either Euro Touring Cars, or perhaps GT3, depending on the rule development. Sure that would gain manufacturers, but I can't imagine NASCAR fans being happy at 911s and 458s running in their series. Heck many still are grumpy that Toyota are there and Dodge/Buick/Pontiac aren't. However, strictly personally I would like to see all racing series across the globe take loads of aero off the cars to put the driver back in charge. The new LM Hypercar regs has ended up with cars that look identical to LMP1. *shrugs*.
Why in the world would people be angry about there being too many manufacturers in NASCAR?? If the American manufacturers can't compete (they can, look at IMSA or LeMans) they need to be better. It's a good problem to have compared to WRC where they can barely keep 3 manufacturers in the series!
Don't know for sure, but it looked like it was all Camrys that were pitting. I imagine the FF layout plus the higher output engine would really eat tires.
@@sprinterofblack8186 I don't know, possibly. At least on the general looks, but none of them would have actually been FF as opposed to the Camry in the video.
As much Ik this would never happen I would actually love this🔥I hope nascar copied the TA2 trans am cars those cars are flat out gorgeous and actually look like the perfect mixture between a race car and a stock car
I think using the 2UR-GSE V8 out of the Lexus F cars might be a little more realistic and also more competitive for the Camry. Supra engine is just a BMW part anyway, so it isn't the best representation of what Toyota can do for their engines.
So basically, and I think it’s something that a LOT of NASCAR fans don’t get their heads around. But the whole “stock” venue in NASCAR even before the 80s. It wasn’t just the roll cage that was added, drivers and teams were putting modified parts specifically for racing on these street cars. By the time the mid-late 50s came around, nothing about the cars were “stock” I mean the bodies of the car by the 60s and 70s could be converted. Say a driver or team run a Mercury one year and then switch to a Plymouth or Torino body. NASCAR being fully “stock” is highly unlikely ever gonna happen. Take GT sports cars, GT4, GT3, and GTE for example, they’re full race versions of their production cars which I feel like is what the term for NASCAR should be anymore. I’ve kept saying this, but NASCAR should’ve taken notes and made their cars like Trans Am’s TA2 class since they’re stock cars, but r more closely with their production counterpart. And that seems like what we’re getting with the Gen 7 cars. But only time will time with those cars.
TA2 is arguably farther away from street cars than NASCAR because of it being a spec engine for all brands and the wheelbase being very different from the road cars.
Just some mild corrections from watching. The Chevy Camaro ZL1 is actually Supercharged and not Turbocharged. And also the 2021 Toyota Camry TRD is much more aggressive what whats stated. It still lacks compared to the raw output of the Camaro but it does make decent power and the chassis is very ridged and refined. The engine is a V6 making a bit over 300hp in the TRD variant. Also the new Toyota Supra is not a V6. But is actually an B58 Inline-6 single turbo. Stock trim it makes a bit around 380hp from most people dynoing the cars in stock trim. And even without changing anything some tune adjustments can push the car over the 400hp threshold quite easily and higher. I do think if they ever did go back they'd have some makers be able to do at least engine modifications if the car didn't already make a bunch of power like the ZL1. I feel Toyota would have to build a production RWD Camry from factory for starters. Also they'd most likely have to add some form of turbocharger or supercharger to the engine to get more power out of it as well as some lighter weight body parts to be competitive. Ford would have to shave some of the Mustangs weight and either go up from the base GT to a GT350 or a Shelby to compete with the ZL1. They would definitely need a bump in power to be able to perform at the same level. Rather that comes keeping it with more tuning in its N/A Engine trim or adding a supercharger to it. I feel if they brought them back to "Stock cars" but allowed them to make proper adjustments and modifications... Toyota's would probably excel at Road courses, the Mustang would be good at Speedways and the ZL1 would be best at Super Speedways. The racing series would be something like the "IMSA BMW Challenge series".
Nascar just announced the new cars for 2023. Stock body lines, 5 speed sequential rear transaxles, independent rear suspension and center lug bbs wheels like a gt car.
I'm of 2 minds about this: 1. Just have them keep going whatever way they are looking at now. In a lot of ways, we're never going to truly get the old cars back anyway. 2. Go full retro with V8s and old muscle-car-styled bodies. I mean, a big part of NASCAR has always been the nostalgia trip, so just go whole hog. As for an existing series that kind of does this, and has been for a long time, take a look at Argentine Turismo Carretera. As for the track, the original, 2.52-mile layout is always going to be my pick when it comes to Sears Point. Now, the intial short course I thought was better, as you had a nice, sweeping right-hander to take you from Turn 4 around to T7.
I am betting that if a series was created by Nascar to resemble these cars. It would attract a whole host of foriegn and domestic (Dodge) companies. It would be awesome! There would have to be full cages, seats, door foam, & lexan windows. Beefed up suspension, brakes, fluid coolers, & drivetrain. Those would just make for a better race especially if they were factory or available aftermarket parts. What's left then? Chassis, body, motors. Of course this series would never happen because it would be somewhat affordable!!! Racing is never cheap though.
I love how he called the 2JZ and the B58 from the fourth and fifth gen Supras a V6. Those engines are Inline 6 engines. It's a completely different engine from a V6
Now this would be a "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" sort of series. This is great!
basically FIA gt4 class
Yeah it is GT4, and NASCAR is unique in a lot of ways, going "stock" wouldn't work exactly. I don't know if you could make a common series like GT4, and the rest of the world, lots of turn left reinforcements etc
@@GTFiorano the suspensions are also too soft on road cars to really work on ovals, too much body roll in my opinion
@Ernest George and yet the speeds were much lower. Even today's camry's are faster than the Nascars of the 40's 50's and 60's
@Ernest George guess i was wrong, my point still stands though, the suspension in those cars are just too soft for ovals
The Camaro has a supercharger, not a turbo. FYI.
I heard that and also he said the sulra had a V6? YEA NOPE
and the mustang 5.0 has a higher top speed than a Camaro zl1...yea nope
@@khayra1 The new Supra, not the overrated one.
@@thesciencesphere4273 no Supra ever has had a v6
@@khayra1 The new one does
“So I’ve allowed goodyear to bolt on some of their tires”
Goodyear: “ *no* “
* demonetizes video *
And tires do not bolt on, wheels do. There are no fasteners at all on tires. NASCAR doesn't allow bead locks either.
@@x-man5056 Man, beadlocks would look awesome
@@THESLlCK Go watch sprint cars if you like them. Generally more exciting racing anyway.
Beadlocks would never be allowed on Cup cars. NASCAR and Goodyear dictate a minimum air pressure well above pressures that would require a bead lock though tires slipping on a wheel and becoming unbalanced is not unheard of.
_He has the Piston Cup_
_HE DID WHAT IN THE CUP!_
no get that cars bull shit out of this
@FreeBirb YES
@@cadenchristiansen3553 no
@@cadenchristiansen3553 no
@@cadenchristiansen3553 no
Yes, people like the idea of seeing cars racing that are similar to what they drive themselves.
then FIA GT4 should be immensily popular?
@moi paslui It's a clio mate...
Immagine a stock hyper car series on GP circuits.
@@daltonbedore8396 I think the whole GT racing genre is just not advertised very well. I dont know if its lacking the marketing budget or sth but if you compare the marketing of GT racing to F1, the difference is huge. Imo any racing series can't really get popular if they arent marketing it well.
Another problem i think is that GT races are kinda hard to get into as a viewer, if you compare the race highlights of F1 to GT3/4, the GT races dont even have the live position charts/remaining laps in the highlights. How am i suppose to know whats going on as a new viewer whos trying to get into watching the sport?
@@SuperMarcolau very good point
Salty?
This could work in some lower level series I think. It'd at least be kinda fun
At least World Sim Series is currently running a Trans AM Legends series (for Assetto Corsa).
i mean, gt4 exist
It could be a separate, feeder series for the big boy cars. Kinda like the many series that lead into fit already
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 Is it restricted to showroom stock American V8 cars that were manufactured in the last year or two?
The Supra has an inline 6, not a V6 😅
Was looking for such a comment myself xD
@@dariopiovani5077 and the zl1 is supercharged not turbocharged
yeah, that too lol only the four cylinder Camaro RS has a turbo currently (ecotec engine)
You mean the BMW Z4? (The newer Supra's is just a BMW Z4 Roadster with a Toyota badge on it)
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance all generations of Supra had an l6, this latest BMW co-devved one also has an l4 option but yeah
Unless you meant it for the memes, then it's an overused joke :P
60’s-70’s had some of most beautiful and iconic cars
Like what looks a little like the Cale Yarborough livery on the Mustang
That is the Woods Brothers livery. Cale raced for them, but they are still in the series, currently with Matt Dibenedetto driving for them.
I would've loved to see the Hellcat added to this lineup as well. I know Dodge doesn't run in NASCAR anymore, but they have a history of being really competitive before the move to the new bodies. It would've been great to see them get some representation
A drag car in a NASCAR event. That would be special but not out of the ordinary!
@@LjCaplesThe Demon is the drag car, the Hellcat is just fast.
@@FearlessLeader2001 not to mention the hellcat actually has a track pack you can buy from the factory. its just the fact of its engine. the hemi would kill alot. but dodge does have their other V8. the 383 big block
@@FearlessLeader2001 its also the fact mopars had a very unfair reputation of destroying everyone inlcuding stuff like tesla's and european cars
The GT Class in the Trans Am series is sort of like this. The Trans Am series as a whole isn't very popular though so I don't know if this would go over very well.
Not really, it's more a conglomeration of old one make series cars, and "Cup" series cars. Stuff like Viper ACR, older Porsche cup cars, so on. It's what GT3 was when it first formed.
@@dylanhale7300 , That's Super GT class. The GT class is a little closer but does include older models. I haven't kept up with Trans Am because they don't put all the full races on youtube anymore. Also the coverage doesn't really focus on GT classes. Mainly TA and TA2, which are pretty cool too but not stock.
@@dylanhale7300 , Oh wait there's even another GT class called XGT that is what you're describing.
Used to absolutely love watching Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge series here on TH-cam.
th-cam.com/video/aX6rd0hafrA/w-d-xo.html
Huge fields of cars, incredible number of different manufactures of every possible car type with mostly stock looking cars, lots of contact and door to door racing. Exactly what I want from racing.
I've worked corners for Trans-Am when they went to Indianapolis. Those guys drove like they were in bumper cars.
You used the top trim Camaro, but the base V8 Mustang, should've used the Mustang GT500 to make it even.
The base Mustang is what the current Gen 6 Mustang is based off of
@@MagicTankGaming No its actually based off of the GT350 but with GT badging, if you compare the splitter bottom grille design to the GT it won't match up but it does with the GT350. Also the GT350 has the outdated headlights which is what the Cup Car is using.
@@daveizdebski that is true it does have the pre-facelift look of the S550 and in this video if he were to use the GT500 it would have been dominant
@@Natd0gsef True but using the GT350 against the ZL1 and Supra would be fair
@@daveizdebski well "supra" but I know what you mean
Bring Supras to the NASCAR Cup Series!
Yes
Aren't they with the next gen cars? It's been awhile, but I remember something like that being said.
@@deftknight7418 i thought they already did and it only ran like 2 races idk if it was cup series tho
@@andrewbowman2976 , Hu. Interesting. I thought they did. Maybe not.
@All These Squares Make A Circle , I'm sorry, but that's what the manufacturer calls it, so that's what it is. No matter how much you hate it, it's called a Supra, end of story.
The NR2003 AI put the Assetto Corsa AI to shame. They are just not competitive here.
AC wasn't made for oval racing
I would love to see this mod for nr2003
I think if this happened you would definitely see a Dodge Charger and maybe a Cadillac CTS V on the track
I found this video more interesting than any race I've watched in the last 5 years! Well done.
My TRD Camry came stock with a V6, 301 hp engine. The XSE also comes with the same engine. Soooooo, no real need to do any swaps with the Supra.....
That's what threw me off, the Camry does come available with a 3.5L V6. It's not a race car by any stretch but it's not a slow car
@@oreojsn92 yeah that Camry isnt gonna hold a candle to a zl1 camaro or gt500
@@EvlEgle it will handle leaps and bounds better compared to those two heavy boats.
@@CaptainRasco yeah sure dude.
The zl1 1le set lap records on the nurburgring
Can you imagine pony cars like this facing off against hot hatches? This would be exceptional.
Probably would save Nascar.
I'd like to see a Pintos only race! 💥
@@BoltRM there was a few Pinto race cars back in the day. Some even raced at Daytona on the road course. Believe it or not but they made for a pretty nice looking racecar!
@@fostbitten5721 I always liked the looks of the Pinto. A friend had a clone, called the Bobcat. "Mercury offered rebadged versions of the Pinto as the Mercury Bobcat from 1975 to 1980 (1974-1980 in Canada)."
That's basically now I play rFactor. Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, C63, M3, CTS, GTO and some others vs. Civic, Bora, Corolla, Fluence, and some others.
Right now it's Honda vs. Chevy for the manufacturer's championship.
@@fostbitten5721
Pintos were raced in the Trans Am U2.5 Challenge, but never very competitively. The Cortinas and Escorts were a bit more competitive. Of course it was mostly just Datsun vs. Alfa with everyone else competing for scraps. I don't believe the Fords, Bimmers, Super Beetles or the Toyota 1600 were factory cars, meanwhile Datsun and Alfa both had what amounted to works teams.
I must say I would be much more likely to watch this than actual nascar.
But why? The cars would be incredibly slow and boring. Like people are already annoyed at how slow nascar is *currently*. Only people who don't even watch nascar say this, tbh. The current cars are cool, they just need to lower the downforce and bump the hp up.
@@YashaAstora I agree about the downforce. Downforce is the enemy of good racing.
I guess _tecnically_ we have GT cars/Time Attack/Formula Drift/Rally/etc. A car that's heavily modified but still retains most of it's physical identity of the road variant.
I've always loved seeing race cars that can resemble what people can buy. I've personally never really liked Nascar, Formula, and LMP.
@@YashaAstora it been proven that Relative speed is what makes series exciting. Meaning that we as fans love noise battles and tight racing. How is that proven? Tons of minor series mostly Europe where nimble cars race amongst themselves. I’d be all for it.
@@YashaAstora except I want to see cars that can actually be on the road not some monster created in a garage that I couldn’t possibly understand the mechanics of
Thanks for making this video. I have been making this argument for 20 years, and I'm pretty sure a huge majority of stock car racing fans who grew up watching nascar would probably welcome it.
Nice "Days of Thunder" paint scheme on the Camaro.
The stands looked empty, so i guess it was a 2021 race with covid restrictions.
No. It was any post-2003 race with the stupid chase system and it's never-ending variants.
The Supra is an inline 6, also why not the IS500 5 Liter V8?
or just uses the V6 Camaro and V6 mustang
Yeah
The Supra is in the xfinity Series
The Supra would have made more sense in this experiment. As implausible as it is, IF nascar did go back to showroom cars it stands to reason that Toyota would move the Supra up to the cup series, or develop another RWD platform.
@@DanArnets1492 you are saying it like its a problem lol. The supra is faster and lighter than a Z4
@@DanArnets1492 Wow, is it really? Holy cow, this is news that I have never seen before!
@@DanArnets1492 yes, we know. We’ve alllllllll heard it.
@@DanArnets1492 toyota literally doesn't have an inline six in their lineup
having to engineer a brand new one would've made the car upwards of $100,000.
This would be so fun if this was made into a dedicated nascar game, I would buy in a heartbeat👍
This is quite intriguing. I can actually see Dodge returning to Nascar. And if GM is so inclined, they could resurrect the Pontiac brand and bring out their GTO from 2004 - or perhaps a Holden/Vauxhall Monaro? If we're talking hypothetically, we could even see the likes of BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar running Nascar Cup races.
Just a thought...
PS - the opening shots of classic Nascars on the beach track has given me an idea for your next project - how would present day Nascar Cup cars do on the classic Daytona Beach circuit?
Points he missed/ said wrong.
• The Camry is offered with a AWD 310hp V6
• Supra has an Inline 6 not a V6
• ZL1 1LE (200mph) has higher top speed then Mustang (155-160mph)
This is why I liked watching the Trans Am and the Continental Tire racing. Both have classes that are close to stock.
Can I recommend SuperGT? Multi-class racing in a sprint format
@@izzdin6228 nice. Thanks for the info. I'll have to give it a look.
@@therobert9521 you can start with the 2020 season. It's only 8 rounds (due to pandemic, sigh). But it's just so fun to watch.
Trans AM's TA-2 class is pretty close to what you showed here but with some suspension upgrades. There are so many cars in this class they run by themselves not with another class. This class pits on good racing.
The TA-2 class cars are still silhouette cars like NASCAR stock cars. In the first few years of the class there were some cars that were straight up late model stock car chassis with Watts linkage rear suspension in place of a Panhard bar and muscle car body panels. I will say that Howe Racing did a much better job making their TA-2 cars look like the production cars than NASCAR did.
BTW, there's this thing ‘street stock racing’, with lowish-powered cars. Particularly, there are mods for rFactor 1, and they are a lot of fun on short tracks-of which rF1 had plenty in mods. Alas, nothing like that exists for rF2, and the track selection is also limited.
With the cars in the vid, you'd probably have a better time on tracks around 0.75 to one mile long.
Just my 2 cents. But modern "stock cars" can only be identified by the stickers on the sides. Its boring to see 40 some cars, exactly the same speed, exactly the same sound.
The biggest problem with trying to bring back standard prodcution car race series is that governments have been actively regulating against race-ready road cars since at least the '70s. Standard production cars now are so much heavier with all the added safety features, with engines that are more oriented towards increased efficiency and reduced emissions rather than more power, and computer controlled electronics that interfere to prevent the driver pushing to the limits of grip.
Yep, but GT cars at least use a Road legal car as the base of it.
LOL you lost me at “The Camaro has a turbo.” 🤣
yeah sorry i made a mistake there
I have never sat down to watch a NASCAR race but if they went back to stock cars I would 100% watch it
These experiments you've been doing are awesome.
Ok, so your intro was the first time I saw a deep yet concise answer to that old question of "why and when did NASCAR go from actual stock cars to standardised space frame chassis?"
it's the first time I saw the gas crisis as a factor, and it makes so much more sense now. thanks, mate.
This is awesome! Love how the paint schemes look on the cars too, great work!
Unless I missed something, I don't really understand why you'd take the engine out of the current Supra and put it into a Camry. Why not use the current Supra itself instead? According to Toyota its top speed is 155 mph which you'd think could be competitive in this scenario.
I think because the Cup series is supposed to be the sedans while the xfinity series is the the pony car series. Granted they use mustangs and Camaro’s now
@@fwm-icecreamman7161 I mean the Supra is no more sporty than the Camaro or a Mustang
Because Camry is the car Toyota currently uses in Nascar.
@@fwm-icecreamman7161 waitWTF YEAH?! Why is the LESSER series running the muscle/sports cars?!?!?
@@Leotheleprachaun Because they don't make as much money as sedans.
I YEARN for a return to factory car races! Especially on tough tracks that pushed the cars to their limits. Watching a bunch of Mustangs & Camry TRDs tearing themselves up on sandy beach roads would be absolutely amazing
It seriously would not be that hard. Add a roll-cage, add those anti-flying flaps or whatever they call it, engines can be modified (with regulations) BUT need to be based off of blocks available to buy in that specific make and model. You would need to change a few rules, but it could definitely work and people would definitely watch it.
Excellent content man. Some of the few sim racing videos I actually watch from start to finish.
They way auto companies are heading, this will end up being SUVs with either hybrid or all electric drivetrains. The sedan is starting to die out, sports/performance cars are next on the list.
I honestly don't get the SUV craze most of them are either ugly or just worse performing station wagons on slightly bigger wheels. Hell some of them don't even have AWD.
Piotr Dąbrowski I used to be the same as you....then I had kids. I'm 6.4 with a 36 in inseam. In order to fit a car seat behind me, you've gotta have an SUV or pickup. Then if you travel with little kids, you have to bring a lot of gear. Cars just don't work. At least this is the case for my family. We got rid of sedans and have a truck and an SUV now.
@@IraqVet0608 I guess what I meant is more applicable to crossovers, if you have a large family then a large SUV is a no brainer. But crossovers, I really struggle to find one thing they do better than a sedan or a wagon in a comprable price range.
Cool experiment. NASCAR I think should go one of two ways: full crazy, no restrictor plates, 250mph+ on straights, twin turbo'd massive engines with 15 inch stickies. OR. Homologation only, with a HP restriction to keep it kind of fair.
Well your getting neither. Your getting Indy car. 100%, spec chassis and bodies. After this year you can’t even build your own car it must be purchased.
@@codyjarvis I frankly don't follow any motor sports too closely but I haven't heard about this. So now the racing sport memed on worldwide for being a few dozen of the same cars driving in circles... is gonna be even more homogeneous?
what happened to the passion in motorsports? I wanna go back to group B. :(
@@stevebutters306 Nah he is blowing it of proportion. NASCAR is going to have a “spec” chassis yes but really the chassis have been so similar for the longest time that it makes no difference. As for the Bodies they aren’t spec between Manufacters. Instead it’s just composite body panels so you can’t tweak it like you can with sheet metal. Both these changes are to help small teams compete and to help the racing by creating a car that’s not as sensitive to aero.
@@stevebutters306 honestly its almost More back to its roots. the individual Manufacturer bodies will resemble the street variant Much More now though.
Apply this to specific eras in the Cup Series:
May 1989 - November 1997: The Thunderbird demolishes all of GM's entries due to being rear-wheel drive.
1998-2004: Tough to say which car would be the most competitive since all the cars at this point are front-wheel drive; not to mention the many various trim levels.
2005-12: A base model Dodge Charger kicks its competitors to the curb since it's rear-wheel drive. Every other entry is a front-wheel drive car.
2013-17: Another case of deja vu as Chevrolet's SS being the only rear-wheel drive car means it has no competition. The power gap between the AWD Fusion and the RWD SS is too great for the Fusion to tackle, even on short tracks.
This is what happened in IMSA Camel GT series. It started with GT cars that you could buy at a new or used car dealer. Add a roll bar/cage plus a few engine/suspension modifications and go professional auto racing. Nowadays the cars barely resemble the street versions. And the top classes are pure prototype racecars that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
NASCAR's non-championship exhibition races should be run to GT4 regs from now on. That's one way to ensure that they don't treat the Busch Clash and the All Star race as test sessions.
This would create more competition between the teams again. Add the basic safety roll cages, and stuff. But allow enough room for modifications.
Why would you use a 2.5 i4 camry and not the 3.5 V6 and lets be honest if this did happen toyota would shoehorn their 5.7 V8 into the camry
I think toyota would use the lexus engine from ls500
@@IRacefreak ah yes I forgot about that
Me and my friend were just talking about this after the race yesterday. Would be awesome to see nascar go back to its roots.
I'd like to see them go in the direction V8 Supercars has: A dedicated, one-size-fits-all (literally) tube chassis similar to what they use now, but wearing bodywork designed to mimic the production models as closely as the chassis dimensions will allow, complete with working exterior lights and opening doors. Also adopt production based engines (e.g. blocks, heads and other parts have to have regular casting and part numbers) that are limited to about 600 hp; how the manufacturers get to that number would be left up to them (big V8, boosted turbo four, etc.) and last, but most definitely not least, cut aero grip by about 50% and mechanical grip by about 25% relative to what the current low downforce package generates.
i think coping from Japanese GT500 would be good too maybe some hybrid of GT500 and V8 supercars
This would be great. I have less than zero interest in whatever NASCAR is supposed to be now. It’s not an interesting style of racing in any way, so it could really benefit from the added interest of manufacturer competition.
I feel like this should be an actual series in NASCAR
This is exactly how I visioned NASCAR would be like if it was truly stock today.
It would be interesting to see this as a side "circuit". Not entirely replacing the current vehicles, but being its own seperate thing.
There is a lot of charm in the standardized cars, especially in their robustness (nothing like just gorilla taping a panel back on and heading back to the race).
But yes seeing genuine "stock" would be really cool to see develop alongside the other nascar series.
Which they would return to stock cars, of coarse with the safety stuff installed. Cages, seats, belts, tires, fire safe cells and things like that. But to me, the stock car is the body, frame, and engine. They can improve the stock engine, reinforce the stock frames, and no modifications to the body. It has become a dynasty and a regular person could never compete. Nascar needs to return to that to save themselves.
I don't see anyone mentioning this, but you've got some chops, my dude.
Second he called them “Nascars” I was out
So why did you comment?
What a fun Idea ! Great video as always :>) Thank you.
Gotta say as a NASCAR fan the intro itself taught me a lot I didn't know.
Thats the default homestead that comes with nr2003
What makes NASCAR appealing to me is the rigid control ensuring all cars are more or less equal before crew settings and drivers make the difference.
This produces far better racing than more open series where people are allowed to use technological advantages.
Great content - super entertaining. I’m not personally interested in nascar, but this pulled me in. I watched the whole thing - keep it up, man!! 👍
They need to race actual stock cars. 1000 car minimum, all factory options, stock appearing except for safety features, stock tires, otherwise unlimited.
This sort of series would be good if teams were only allowed to enter a single car and there was some sort of relationship with second hand dealers or spare parts businesses. It'd be ethical and environmental as well, since it's cheaper to keep an old car going and single-car teams would be able to have a closer relationship with spectators.
If NASCAR wanted to go electric doing it near the grassroots level would be the best option at the moment since you'd have to convince local garages about maintenance of EVs
I would love it if NASCAR went back to this. Sure, add role cages and other modifications for safety but, have essentially true stock cars out there.
Take a drink every time he calls the cars "Nascars", you will get a decent buzz.
Even with the entire group based on one truly stock car, this would be a great series
No such thing as a "nascar".
Probly better term in this video to have a distinction between stockcar and a car thats stock
I've been a nascar fan since I was a toddler and I still call them nascars. If you call it a nascar everyone knows what you mean. If you say stock car, it may be proper, but it is inaccurate terminology and confusing to people who think stock actually means stock.
This was awesome! Side note, you can train the AI on any track and car in Assetto by enabling the developer apps. Works very well basically they learn your racing line.
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Man it would be awesome to get a server going with these and have some subscribers drive with ya! (I WOULD LOVE TO RACE YOU)! 😂 But on the real. It’d be so fun!
Great video as always bro! Keep up the great work!
Much love from Vermont!💯🤙🇺🇸
"the V6 from the Supra"
leave. now.
Let the man have a chance to learn stuff dude.
Full stock no. But stock bodies & maybe OEM-style engines & suspension? ABSOLUTELY. It would be awesome if Ford ran their Coyote based V8, Chevy with their LT V8s & Toyota with their UR V8s! Front engine rear wheel drive layout like it always has been in NASCAR. I’m a bit of a traditionalist so H-pattern manual gearboxes would be my choice over the sequential they’re planning to go to next season.
Edit: oh & in regards to suspension I meant “stock style” suspension. Using upgraded suspension components of course but maintaining stock suspension locations.
This would be interesting as a low tier series perhaps. I just really wish people would stop saying that stock cars are the same as production cars. I know the manufacturers are a big deal and don't get me wrong I love their involvement in the sport, but honestly I'd rather see a series with no brand identity and high HP, low downforce than what NASCAR has currently. I love how different stock cars are from normal cars, it's fascinating to see such barebones raw power cars that only vaguely resemble street cars. That's what makes them inherently exciting, and separates them from Sports car series like GT cars or V8 Supercars.
Actually I think it would be a great idea to have them go back to stock I believe it would force manufacturers you actually develop great lower and cars for the masses
2JZ swap that Camry and it would be a very different story out there.
That's an awesome coincidence. I was just thinking about this the other day and how awesome and more viseral it would be. And now i can have a glimpse of that.
If manufacturers had to run stock cars we would get much stronger motors and most importantly lighter cars. I love the idea.
to be honest. this is proper nascar. cleetus did something very similar called the le mullets 2.4 hours where you had to drive a nitrous equipped crown vic around an oval track called the freedom factory
I quit being a Nascar fan nearly 20 years ago after being avid. I've attended tracks several, and went 20years without missing a race. This idea would certainly bring alot of us back
Very nice and fun video.
This reminds me more of the Aussie V8 Supercar series. Great stuff.
This video was really really enjoyable and well made
i think the biggest thing keeping "stock" cars from being race cars is all the extra junk that new cars have these days. so much would have to be removed like airbags and a lot of the interior just so a cage could be built and the car reasonably easy to work on. that alone would probably have the cpu throwing all sorts of fault codes putting the car in limp mode etc. so they would have to have special ECUs to accommodate that. back in the day, a race car and a street car didnt have much difference. they were both empty metal boxes with just the essentials to make it go. these days race cars are still just that, but street cars are more like kitchen appliances, plastic and made JUST stong enough to not fall apart during manufacturer recommend use. my point is they would have to be modified so much from stock that one would question if its even worth it. look at gt3 cars, they're a stock car turned race car and theres still not much left of the original car.
Interesting. a bit similar to Group A & C Touring Cars in Australia in the 1970 through to the mid 1990s. I love the idea that sims can attempt to recreate those classic days of racing that just can't re done, or we don't have time machine for. i don't know if at has been done already, but i love to a recreation of the original Daytona Beach Road Circuit used before the big oval was constructed with cars of the period. a great period of time in stock car racing. :)
Irl , i think that Toyota would exchange the camry for a supra. Although i think that a brand like Dodge or even maybe Buick would replace Toyota.
2021 models. Including the Challenger because someone would be running them if we were talking stock.
Camaro ZL1 650 HP 650 lb-ft
Shelby GT500 760 HP 620 lb-ft
Challenger Redeye 797 HP 707 lb-ft
Camry TRD 301 HP 267 lb-ft
I think it needs to find a middle ground. The trouble with actual stock is that the manu's would just put stiff suspension on, and more HP, and then some aero, and before you knew it you'd be close to the late 60s banana cars. You'd also have a series that looked a lot like either Euro Touring Cars, or perhaps GT3, depending on the rule development. Sure that would gain manufacturers, but I can't imagine NASCAR fans being happy at 911s and 458s running in their series. Heck many still are grumpy that Toyota are there and Dodge/Buick/Pontiac aren't. However, strictly personally I would like to see all racing series across the globe take loads of aero off the cars to put the driver back in charge. The new LM Hypercar regs has ended up with cars that look identical to LMP1. *shrugs*.
require the cars be built in US factory. love to see like Subaru throw down with BRZ or WRX as well
Why in the world would people be angry about there being too many manufacturers in NASCAR?? If the American manufacturers can't compete (they can, look at IMSA or LeMans) they need to be better. It's a good problem to have compared to WRC where they can barely keep 3 manufacturers in the series!
I barely saw a more breath taking sim race event like those in this video! 👍👍🏎️
Don't know for sure, but it looked like it was all Camrys that were pitting. I imagine the FF layout plus the higher output engine would really eat tires.
Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the NASCAR Cup cars from 1998-2004 all based on FF cars?
@@sprinterofblack8186 I don't know, possibly. At least on the general looks, but none of them would have actually been FF as opposed to the Camry in the video.
As much Ik this would never happen I would actually love this🔥I hope nascar copied the TA2 trans am cars those cars are flat out gorgeous and actually look like the perfect mixture between a race car and a stock car
I think using the 2UR-GSE V8 out of the Lexus F cars might be a little more realistic and also more competitive for the Camry.
Supra engine is just a BMW part anyway, so it isn't the best representation of what Toyota can do for their engines.
That's kinda what the Trans-Am Series does. There are still mods and such, but, TA cars are closer to stock than NASCAR has been, in years
So basically, and I think it’s something that a LOT of NASCAR fans don’t get their heads around. But the whole “stock” venue in NASCAR even before the 80s. It wasn’t just the roll cage that was added, drivers and teams were putting modified parts specifically for racing on these street cars. By the time the mid-late 50s came around, nothing about the cars were “stock” I mean the bodies of the car by the 60s and 70s could be converted. Say a driver or team run a Mercury one year and then switch to a Plymouth or Torino body. NASCAR being fully “stock” is highly unlikely ever gonna happen. Take GT sports cars, GT4, GT3, and GTE for example, they’re full race versions of their production cars which I feel like is what the term for NASCAR should be anymore. I’ve kept saying this, but NASCAR should’ve taken notes and made their cars like Trans Am’s TA2 class since they’re stock cars, but r more closely with their production counterpart. And that seems like what we’re getting with the Gen 7 cars. But only time will time with those cars.
Agree I've always been a strong supporter of TA2 for NASCAR
TA2 is arguably farther away from street cars than NASCAR because of it being a spec engine for all brands and the wheelbase being very different from the road cars.
I'd like to go full stock, but I doubt a modified street car could ever be as safe as a purpose-built race car.
Exactly this. NASCAR cars have long had stricter rules for roll cage construction compared to any sort of touring car or sports car racing category.
Just some mild corrections from watching. The Chevy Camaro ZL1 is actually Supercharged and not Turbocharged. And also the 2021 Toyota Camry TRD is much more aggressive what whats stated. It still lacks compared to the raw output of the Camaro but it does make decent power and the chassis is very ridged and refined. The engine is a V6 making a bit over 300hp in the TRD variant.
Also the new Toyota Supra is not a V6. But is actually an B58 Inline-6 single turbo. Stock trim it makes a bit around 380hp from most people dynoing the cars in stock trim. And even without changing anything some tune adjustments can push the car over the 400hp threshold quite easily and higher.
I do think if they ever did go back they'd have some makers be able to do at least engine modifications if the car didn't already make a bunch of power like the ZL1.
I feel Toyota would have to build a production RWD Camry from factory for starters. Also they'd most likely have to add some form of turbocharger or supercharger to the engine to get more power out of it as well as some lighter weight body parts to be competitive.
Ford would have to shave some of the Mustangs weight and either go up from the base GT to a GT350 or a Shelby to compete with the ZL1. They would definitely need a bump in power to be able to perform at the same level. Rather that comes keeping it with more tuning in its N/A Engine trim or adding a supercharger to it.
I feel if they brought them back to "Stock cars" but allowed them to make proper adjustments and modifications... Toyota's would probably excel at Road courses, the Mustang would be good at Speedways and the ZL1 would be best at Super Speedways.
The racing series would be something like the "IMSA BMW Challenge series".
Nascar just announced the new cars for 2023. Stock body lines, 5 speed sequential rear transaxles, independent rear suspension and center lug bbs wheels like a gt car.
The Camry has a 300hp v6 optional same engine found in the lotus evora
I'm of 2 minds about this:
1. Just have them keep going whatever way they are looking at now. In a lot of ways, we're never going to truly get the old cars back anyway.
2. Go full retro with V8s and old muscle-car-styled bodies. I mean, a big part of NASCAR has always been the nostalgia trip, so just go whole hog. As for an existing series that kind of does this, and has been for a long time, take a look at Argentine Turismo Carretera.
As for the track, the original, 2.52-mile layout is always going to be my pick when it comes to Sears Point. Now, the intial short course I thought was better, as you had a nice, sweeping right-hander to take you from Turn 4 around to T7.
I am betting that if a series was created by Nascar to resemble these cars. It would attract a whole host of foriegn and domestic (Dodge) companies. It would be awesome! There would have to be full cages, seats, door foam, & lexan windows. Beefed up suspension, brakes, fluid coolers, & drivetrain. Those would just make for a better race especially if they were factory or available aftermarket parts. What's left then? Chassis, body, motors. Of course this series would never happen because it would be somewhat affordable!!! Racing is never cheap though.
Just gonna ignore the fact the Camaro's top speed is 198ish while the stang's barely 160....nice
I love how he called the 2JZ and the B58 from the fourth and fifth gen Supras a V6.
Those engines are Inline 6 engines. It's a completely different engine from a V6
Looks a lot more fun than actual NASCAR today