What's Greater than a Roundabout, but Less than an Interchange? - The Uncanny Valley of Junctions
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2:22 Continuous Flow Interchange (CFI)
11:40 Median U -Turn (Michigan Left)
20:57 Double Jug (Quadrant Intersection)
33:48 Roundabout at same Traffic Volume
36:38 4 Way Traffic Light
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The traffic light issue: TMPE doesn’t add lights per lane. It adds them per direction. And it doesn’t recognize unique directions when it is a single straight road. So the mode button switches between straight and straight with an arrow which changes nothing. Feel free to try!
I wonder if the creators of the TMPE could implement a way to do "per-lane," or if it's a limitation of the game itself...
It’s entirely possible, and unofficial forks of tmpe can already do it.
@@YUMBL Sounds like a good feature request then, if they're not already working on it.
@@YUMBL Do you know would I could find one of those? I couldn’t seem to find them online
Actually, I've come across a CFI video that was accidentally made public. Apparently they were testing a new feature of the TM:PE so it can be use for the CFI.
Well this was unexpected, Yumbl is an actual human and not just an AI voice😅
Yeah, and more remarkably, he's a normal-looking guy. As opposed to some channels where you wish they'd never show their faces.
Is this the first face reveal??
well... i wouldnt be so sure about that... i've heard AI facial rendering has gotten really good in the past few years!!!
plot twist : the face is actually deepfake. jk, we want more benton
I think he's adorable. I just want to give him a hug :)
Yumbl has a face? All this time I thought he was an omnipotent mouse cursor that materialised roads and traffic lights!
That's probably what the cims see
I've wondered for a long time what a Michigan Left is, and now I know. Great video, very interesting :-)
Thanks homie :)
do quite a few of those here in the home of that name. something that is actually quite powerful when executed properly.
Legends talking to legends.
You can lookup roads in Ann Arbor, Michigan and Grand Rapids, Michigan for examples. Also Detroit.
At 12:45 we have roads like that and if you want to go straight through there usually isn't a light stopping cars from just going through, unless there is a crosswalk at the light. Most of the time if you want to do the u-turn there's a yield sign or a stop sign instead of a light. On the busier roads there would be a light though.
One thing that might help if you do use this is that the area where the u-turn is needs to be a bit closer to the intersection. You're supposed to be able to do the u-turn and still have enough time to turn right by the time the next light flashes.
I love the Skylines community. Nice shoutout to a colleague, Biffa.
There he is! Our boy! He's real!
The advantage of Roundabout: no need a traffic light to control & no need to stop. It is good for low volume traffic area / power shortage area.
Correct!
Roundabouts tend to do better when one or two of the incoming streams have more traffic than the others. They sort of auto-prioritise the flow. As can be seen here though, when they're being hammered by all sides, they choke.
@@daelra idk, usually roundabouts, when set up correctly to not become trafic circles, don't choke no matter how much traffic you put in them. when it does happen you can usually see there is a problem AHEAD of the roundabout that don't let cars get outside of it. as long as cars can get out there is space movement for others to get in
Nice to put a face to a name. 😀
I’d be interested to see how the UK solution compares which is a roundabout with phased lights. The red light circles around the roundabout allowing each entry to enter uncontended.
It ends up being very similar to the way I had the four way light setup.
Actually that would really interest me as I personally believe those "traffic roundabouts" combine the bad of lights and roundabouts, but I would love to educate myself more on the topic
@@racecardriverrr4201 in game I’ve used them when one entry needs help getting onto the roundabout but the others are quieter. It doesn’t work if everything is busy.
@@shaneintheuk2026 - at that point you need to think of a stacked hamburger roundabout [simply put, straight through roads pass over each other, one under one over, through the middle of the roundabout)
@@mortxiii in the game I agree but in the uk the common solution is phased lights
I love that CFI, I hope TMPE adds functionality to manage traffic lights and junction restrictions (especially in this case the enter blocked junction option) per lane because that really would elevate it to its full potential. Until then I guess we can always just build it manually with node controller for maximum performance.
it will split the lanes if there are vehicle restrictions. You could, for example, ban busses from a lane where there is no bus line -- which will allow a different state on that lane.
I looked up and found relevant feature request in GitHub site. There seems some technical difficulties for that.
I think there may be another way to implement such feature, such as assigning a lane connector or a road X to road Y pair to custom directions. If users can specify a connection is u-turn / left / forward / right regardless of angle of the junction, then traffic light per direction can be utilized in more cases.
"bro, you just changed all my lanes" was great unintended comedy
33:20 Random idea: Maybe you could place tollroads and estimate the traffic passing rate by the income generated
That’s a good idea!
It would fill out the lane and slow the traffic behind and cause traffic jam before the tollroads.
@@Nhatanh0475 there's an option to just move forward without needed stop at the tollroad bro
@@bnvanq it still slows then down though
@@ethanmasuda8231 if you change the speed restrictions with TM:PE, it should not slow them down at all iirc.
after many different attempts, I actually prefer a simple junction of 5+3 (2L, 2S, 1R in) with timed lights and lanes connected to allow right turn always green. This can deal ridiculous amount of traffic...
But the main fun is having the freedom to choose, change and rebuild at will😁
woah
Yumble posted his face
About measuring the traffic flow: The "problem" is that these intersections all handle all of the traffic that currently gets thrown at them. That means your traffic flow will be exactly equal to what comes in through your external highway connections. In order to really test it, you'd need to increase the load. Either by making a new intersection test map that has more than 8 highways coming in (I don't know if it has 8 connections because everyone knows that that's the maximum number of connections into a single node or if it's also the limit on external connections). Or by putting down a bus depot and running a whole lot of bus lines back and forth through the intersection.
If you go for the latter, you can measure how much bus traffic the intersection handles as follows:
For each bus line, sample a single bus and measure how long it takes it to complete its loop. Multiply the number of passes through the intersection that the line makes with the number of buses on the line and divide by the loop duration.
This tells you how many buses this one line sends through the intersection. Do the same for every line and add up the results.
To get the total traffic (buses and external vehicles), it might be a good idea to make the buses give way to the external traffic. As long as the external traffic is handled in its entirety, you can say "the intersection handles the flow of 8 external connections and 352 buses per minute". And despite the former being unknown, you would be able to compare the results.
Well, that certainly was a very pleasant surprise! Thank you for being willing to let us see the man behind the voice. Your various road intersections/interchanges always give me options I hadn't previously considered for my builds. 👍👍👍
The CFI definetly is my favorite out of these 3, also thank you for including a roundabout + "normal" intersection for comparison!
The first 2 intersections look like blood flowing from a heart beating, that is probably the most elegant solution for most major intersections since in both cases we are talking circulation. It just looks right.
Good to see you. I really enjoy learning about intersections/junctions from your videos and am envious of how good you make stuff look. Thanks for being here.
it's all about buffering area, roundabout have 4 conflict areas, and we tend to squeeze them very close to each other, while every other solution separates conflict areas as far as one can make it.
in real life we use roundabouts to slow down the traffic as well, so people won't zoom at 140 though the city. This game don't have pedestrian safety, so free flowing junctions everywhere, and cars that zoom at top speed all the time make sense.
And yet again. Perfect timing with a solution for an intersection I am having a problem with. I will try the first two intersections to see which will fit in the space I have. Thank you sir.
Great video, the CFI was fun and very useful to implement. At 3:25 I did find an answer for having a cosmetic barrier protecting left turn lane driving into oncoming traffic. Using intersection marking tool I drew a line along the left turn lane and changed the style from dashed to "decorative network" which then offers a further choice of "network asset" where you can choose from any network wall/fence/curb etc. I used an asset from the workshop called "Concrete barrier - 01" which is like a highway median barrier. Another good option is the double sided crash barrier from "Network Fences - Road Decoration Pack" in the workshop.
One way to solve the traffic light problem with the continuous flow intersection is to ban taxis (for example) from the lane crossing over to the displaced left turn. This gives you separate control over the lanes going straight and the lane crossing over, since TMPE displays lanes with a vehicle restriction separately in the traffic light UI. The downside being that taxis or another vehicle type of your choosing won't be able to use the left turn, obviously.
the intersection is already longer than the distance to the next crossing, so at that point might as well take a turn earlier
This is going to fix a roundabout issue that is snarling my city for miles. Thanks Yumbl!
Wow this is the exact video that I needed. I always thought the "just turn the intersection into a roundabout" solution that many people push never works for me. This video proved why perfectly. THere has been so many situations where a roundabout was gummed up and I just had to waste money on an interchange, but this video shows that I didn't have to.
32:51 While watching this design I kept thinking to myself 'what a ridiculously abstract solution', but when you put it in the context of one way street layout in an urban environment as part of a 90-degree grid, this makes a lot of sense.
You know what
Yeah, your voice matches your face
(Both are good!)
Im so used to youtuber faces just NOT matching their voices at all lol
In New Jersey, when I’ve seen the double jughandle intersection, it’s only used when a semi-major road intersects a larger state highway, and the more minor road has left turns.
Also i love the Double Jug. I started to use it more and more in some of my cities and it just flows very nice.
Build a quadruple jug and you get a tiny cloverleaf
My town is happens to be the junction of a lot of major roads, state routes, and highways. We have almost every single one of these junctions, and it's really neat to see them all spelled out in one video!
AIUI a jughandle is kind of the inverse of the quadrant intersection you implemented here. Your quadrants are set up so that left turning traffic goes through the central crossing, then turns right onto the side road and right again onto the other stree; I'm pretty sure in a jughandle *all* turning traffic, right and left, bears right onto the side road, and then left turning traffic still turns left (but at a T intersection). On the plus side it means people turning left don't have to drive as far overall, but on the minus side it means you still have actual lefts (albeit with no opposing traffic).
Great to see who inspires me to change the way i build my cities 👍
One fun thing to do with a junction between a street with center tram tracks and a major cross street is to kind of combine the Continuous Flow and Michigan Left approaches. The tram street has a displaced left, so left turning traffic crosses the tram tracks (and opposing traffic) before reaching the central junction, just like in the CFI. Traffic turning left from the cross street to the tram street, meanwhile, instead turns right in the central junction (i.e. not using the right turn slip lane) into the inside U-turn lane. The U-turn itself is right next to the crossover for the displaced left, between it and the central junction; since the U-turn crosses a pair of tracks, I think you can get away with having the U-turn directly into the inside lane, so it doesn't conflict with through traffic.
Part of the point here is not just to handle a ton of left turning traffic, but keeping that left turning traffic from blocking the trams.
It probably requires the node-overloading approach you used in your old CFI video. I can't think of a way to pull it off with just 2 roads like here--in fact the only way I know involves splitting the tram street into two one-way roads with a 2-way tram tracks network in between (you can save a bit of space by using a reversed-lanes road for both crossovers together). And setting up the lights properly is super fiddly. Pretty nifty though.
Nice, it's great to have my breakfast and watch some good CS videos, even though I don't play that game, but it's good to see someone experienced playing xD
You forgot a option that is very common in dense cities (at least here in Brazil). You have the main junction not allowing left turns, but you can do it by turning right next block and then right again, similar to the double jug. Except it happens in all sides, and there's a block with buildings around it.
So like the Jersey Jug handle, but bigger?
always super nice to see a face behind a TH-cam channel!! I hope you weren't to nervous for this.. anyway keep up the great work, I use some of your intersections in my city as well.. although a lot are not very common in Europe, like the Michigan Left or the Diverting Diamond. so thanks for the great content!!
You’re welcome! Not nervous at all. I’ve been streaming for years, and my early videos used a camera. I’m also on instagram. My face is no secret.
I can't believe I didn't how about this channel and I've been watching Biffa for years. This is absolutely incredible. Thank you so much good sir.
Very cool, indeed. Amazing to see how these chew down the traffic, but I think that the typical IRL driver would not be able to handle the oncoming lane in the CFI example. I feel that drivers in South Florida are very indecisive when choosing lanes and are barely able to handle curved roads and overpasses without a significant loss of speed. I can only imagine the look of shock on their faces when they'd look up from their phones!
Good old cities skylines, the games within the games, almost endless fun to learn. thank you YUMBLtv, educational and fun. :)
Love the face cam , would like to see it in your episodes more , keep up with the good work also
actually, you can have different light for the same direction, you just have to go into TM:PE - Ban vehicles option, and ban whatever type of vehicles you want for the lane that you dont want it to stop for a red light, after banning the vehicles, the timed traffic light option will now seperate those lane signals from the ones that didnt ban vehicles
On one hand, you look like what I'd expect, but, on the other hand, because of the avatar I kinda expected a wizard. "Junction hierarchy" is a good term. Turns out I have devoted a great deal of thought to this concept without having a phrase for it. Of course, your videos, more than anyone else's I think, have built up this area of knowledge. Best idea I have for measuring flow is using TMPE's flow figure for timed traffic lights. I think you have to turn it on in the options. Something to keep in mind is it changes based on how you set the flow meter, so comparing a 0.4 to 0.6 setup is not apples to apples. Naturally this can't be used for everything, especially junctions lacking timed lights.
Genius as always. I would never have thought of this solution.
Thanks to this beautiful video, I've been able to hit new high water marks in flow %. Thank you so much!
Very cool! I am going to give this a go for sure!
I absolutely adore the "left turning traffic" problem in Cities Skylines, even though I have to force myself to play in a different way to run into such problems :/
I designed once variant of Rondo Mogilskie from Krakow (roundabout with lights and separate one-ways to go inside and outside roundabout) and must admit that solution also manage with traffic. The trick is that we allow to esape roundabout always (no traffic light there). I wonder how it would handle your experiment. Great video btw, as always!
Python code for counting vehicles. Seems like something you can find libraries for. Also great video, awesome reference for future cities!
I’ve seen it. It cant count cars going under bridges or into tunnels though.
So you're a guitar player as well! First time seeing the backgrouds without the chroma key. hahaha
Awesome video. Keep it up!
This was a well crafted video. Ty YUMBL for the walkthrough.
Finished the video and I feel like I'm so addicted to intersections and highways lmao 😂
Dude I think I'm going to cry after that intro
I love these builds!
I've seen you do quite a bit of variations of the cloverleaf. I recently one in my city where the right turns exited and entered the highway on the right hand side of the road but the left hand turns would exit the highway on the righthand side but would enter the overpass on the lefthand side of the highway, thus avoiding the weave of a typical cloverleaf interchange. Just wanted to see what you could do with the idea because your interchanges always turn out much more pleasing to the eye than mine.
Now that surprised me. In my head, Yumbl looked very different. I have to figure that out first :D
I could watch that intersection for a long time and never get bored
I love how Cities Skylines is more of a traffic control simulator than a building simulator in some cases, I suck at it but I love watching the pros at work :D
Followed your videos for a while now - nice to see the face behind the voice!
I think I detected a little grin after "welcome back" like these types of comments were expected
YUMBL FACE REVEAL! 🤪
Good video, Yumble! You should share more these junction designs, surely there are more unexplored junction designs?!
Due to the lighting function of the CFI, I'm interested in what the system looks like with a local road intersection at the external lights. Since they are operating as alternating in--out, you have an opportunity for protected left turns onto smaller roads for each block.
As a note, the double jug handle would seem to promote a center lane train or tram.
Pedestrian Bridge Builder is awesome for building bridges or making tunnels. Mod might be outdated but it is still working fine. Use a combined Bike/Pedestrian path and tunnel under or bridge over. I do this almost every time and integrate it in my biggest cross roads in the city center.
This was a great video, thank you very much :)
YUMBL looks like a nice humble man!
Hi Yumble, i think you are able to create a green zone for straight traffic. By clicking on the "Change mode" button next to where you can select red of green for a traffic light. You can create different options. So you will be able to select one for left (u-turn) en one for straight wich you can always put on green.
I wish it worked like that.
Woah, unexpectedly saw my favorite Cities builder.
This is a very UNIQUE juction unlike other junctions which jams the traffic, this really makes it moving smoothly
Uncanny valley indeed, when the face I imagined in my head matches the voice I’ve heard by yumble. I almost think AI doth protest too much.
I'd like to see a video on compact pinavias as a stopgap between parclo and roundabouts. In my densest townships I use a 13 x 13 unit pinavia at the center coupled with underground walk paths. It looks great and works even better.
I love the jughandle intersection - very similar to what I see here in New Jersey, however attaching the right hand movement to the handle as a slip lane is definitely not as common. I think allowing that movement to be a Right-on-Red if there is no incoming traffic from the left hand turn lane would be more accurate to real life and help clear a little bit of extra queuing.
I use median u-turn and it's a great solution, I love your videos
Thanks Leal :)
😃😃😃😃 Wow.. so unexpected to finally see YUMBL. Haha. My week will be awesome
In real life, the Michigan lefts will often have a bulb out on the far side allowing long wheelbase vehicles to make the U turn without bumping up onto the curb. There are several of these on US-17 near Wilmington, North Carolina.
I learned that bulb-out part is called a loon. I now must constantly yell 'loon' whenever I get the chance to use that word.
LOON!
These are excellent. This will allow me to continue punishing my cims with never-ending stroads! Poor Yumbl tries to make the world a better place and then I stroll in...
I love your videos. They have often inspired me to do new intersections. I would be interested in your solution to transport hubs of trains, bus lines and underground trains. What should an ideal public transport network look like?
In one word: separation.
Make different rail networks for cargo and people. Try also separating any other traffic from each other as much as you can. You could do separate bike/pedestrian paths and even separate street cargo from the people and so on... Try to avoid shared lanes! Give everyone their own path or even network if possible. You don't want to have every network chucked alongside the other, they can go different directions.
I like that the Michigan left can be created with only lane connector mod.
Also, it turns out I've re-invited the double jug, by using the minor roads to offload crossing B road left traffic (as you mention, inspired by par-clo).
Continuous flow interchange blew my mind!
Man, watching these videos makes me wish we had stuff like this on the console versions of Cities: Skylines.
there are two massive intersections with a metro station in between them in my neighborhood and they always had crazy traffic obviously. there has been a huge redevelopment project that uses the u-turn lanes really well. the road in between the two intersections is now right turn only + 6 lanes with a median. it’s a little confusing and irritating to turn left and people are still idiots because it’s boston but it has helped so much
I was imagining my brothers station in Malden when reading this. Nice.
These sim drivers are so good. They don't space out when waiting for the light to go green and cause "lets get moving now" lag. They always yield when required. They stick to the speed limits. They never crash. I bet they don't even need car insurance in CS.
As someone who grew up in Michigan, gotta say THANK YOU for making a video that actually displays how a Michigan left works 🤣 people love to hate on this kind of intersection because their states do it wrong 🤣 it is actually super efficient and convenient if it's implemented properly... When I see it in other places, I always feel like there is something missing that makes it awkward, inconvenient, or dangerous, but whenever I go home, I'm reminded of how much I miss it, lol.
Nice presentation. Roundabouts are goofy and cannot handle high density traffic, yet for some reason there is a fetish for them. These intersections are far more efficient.
The way you can overcome the traffic light limitation is by changing one of the lanes to disallow a certain vehicle type. This will add a separate traffic light changer into the TMPE overlay which functions for just that lane. Obviously this will ban that certain vehicle from that lane, but you can do it to buses if there are no buses that run on that lane, or emergency vehicles because they are allowed to ignore the lane arrows, meaning they can just turn from one of the other lanes that other cars normally wouldn't be able to.
On the CFI, you can add more traffic lights to the four left turn areas. Then you can set the left turn across traffic as red and the other lanes green so you have continuous flow.
Unfortunately you cannot.
Great video. So intriguing. Nice to put a face to the voice.
In Michigan it's more common to see a Michigan Left with a major road with a median, and a smaller road that's crossing it which wouldn't have the U-turns, and often wouldn't have a median. Left turns could either be U-turn then right, to get off the median road, or to turn left onto it would just be a right turn then a U-turn. Only if you've got two major roads with medians would you see U-turns available on both, and then drivers get a choice which to use.
Pro tip: try moving one of the lights to the side to give your face more definition and help it look less flat, also its a little bright but overall very good for introducing your self as a human.
(if you watch twitch ;) you know he human from a long time)
Yea. The lights are on the side, but the giant window with midday light streaming in is in the middle. See my twitch stream for controlled lighting.
@@YUMBL I don't always have time but when I do I watch your streams, last one I watched was the grid city with one tiles I think it was April fools
Okey Yumbl looks like i imaged he would look. The only diffrence is its not an AI face on a screen but an actual human
That was a super chill intro.
I guess IRL the first uncanny valley intersection you made the offset left could be handles with out a Left turn signal up the road from an intersection with a raised or tunneled lane to connect before the intersection.
4:59 Yes, you can with node conrol. You can split this node to 3. 2 free floaing on ends for spliting outside lines, and 1 for trafic lights in the midle.
Yes, but then the whole intersection is at least 8m wider. I want to do it in a single network.
The double jug you could potentially weave within some city blocks, like office buildings etc for low traffic needs.
Yumbl I think you can also allow right hand turns on red lights in TMPE. You can also set lights on the one side of the road to be always green and not on the other to allow the traffic to go to the red. That will allow the stopping of cars that are effected by the u turn or the displaced left while allowing the side not effected to carry on straight. You can also set don't enter intersection if there are cars and this will stop the displaced and u turn guys from driving into oncoming traffic even if the light is green.
They are all right hand turns. So they all go all the time.
@@YUMBL I meant the back traffic light or where the U turns happens.
There actually might be a slight amount of optimisation to the light-only simple multi-laned intersection show as the last option in this video. Traffic seems to have a fraction of left-turners in comparison to stright through going vehicles. This would allow using dedicated oncoming left-turn-phases instead of the green per oncoming direction in the video. European per lane traffic controller even toggle in between those per cycle using sensors.
I'm just blown away by the face reveal. Looks like Yumbl is starting a face reveal wave for CS TH-camrs. My wife says she loves your voice.
i love super chill intros xD
In real life roundabouts (of course with some exceptions) don't tend to be on roads with more than two or three lanes in each direction.
They are high flow and safer than four way stops or giveway roads but they are not really intended for 4 or more lanes in one direction.
Yes there may be some around the world that have more lanes but not a common occurrence since the roundabout can become too deep with lanes.
Roundabouts are common in my city here in Australia but when an extremely busy road intersection area with many lanes in each direction becomes congested the money is usually eventually allocated to upgrade with over and/or underpasses, maybe a flyover and traffic light removal to keep a continuous flow to reduce travel timenfor the main through way.
Awesome video!
You can actually build a roundabout that is able to digest the traffic generated by the interchange testing map. However, it needs 2 phase traffic lights at every entrance and for that reason needs to have very large segments to buffer the traffic during the red phase. I have seen this kind of roundabout with traffic lights in the UK., but of course the large footprint prohibits its use in an urban environment.
This is some good stuff! Would you be able to do a video implementing pedestrian crossings into these "mega" intersections, without resorting to over or underpasses? If that's something that's possible with Traffic Manager.
It is. Peds would need their own dedicated cycle.
@@YUMBL Ops! Just got to this part of the video! But yea, seeing it in action without the underpasses or overpasses would be nice. That or a dutch style roundabout I guess.
Hey! Hi Yumble! I love putting a face with the voice, thanks for the courtesy!
Love your stuff in general, but when it comes to junctions/intersections you explain them better than anyone. Thanks.