Mark, I can’t tell you how much your content means to me. You are an island of reason and sanity in a sea of sloppy thinking. Thank you for everything you do.
I think highlighting when the original Hebrew/Greek is ambiguous is crucial. It helps cut down on confusion and accusations of this or that translation not just "getting it wrong", but doing so intentionally. (Among reasonable people. With the unreasonable... well, you know how it goes.)
This is refreshing content. I have always understood this to men "speak the truth in a loving way." If we look at it as "being truthful", as suggested in the NET notes, then we could also paraphrase this as "be truthful because of love." Of course, if love is the motivation for being truthful, then that should also lead to being truthful and speaking the truth in a loving way. Paul wrote and prayed about some very closely related ideas in this passage: Philippians 1:9-10 CSB - And I pray this: that your love will keep on growing in knowledge and every kind of discernment, so that you may approve the things that are superior and may be pure and blameless in the day of Christ,
Totally agree! You’re a great example about speaking truth in grace and love - and that is one of the first things I felt convicted over watching the first video I saw from you a couple of years ago! Thank you for not just witnessing for the Lord with your knowledge and words, but with your example of humility and love whilst holding fast to the truth xoxo
Thank you Mark. I always learn from your content. I would love to see you talk about Romans 12:1. Specifically, the last two words which are are translated in a variety of ways.
Would it spoil some vast eternal plan... You've probably never watched fiddler on the roof ;) Very good as always! I'm so very thankful for the many insights you've shared. I have a full notes version of the net bible (the K2 Denmark edition) that I reference often in study all because of what I've learned from you, and you've given me a strong desire to learn how to use better tools. I sure like it when you show how you use your software too.
"SPEAKING" makes more sense than doing because this is talking about refuting man made doctrines. I like the Eph 4:14 and Heb 13:9 combo punch. This helps me argue against the Doctrine of Grace.... with "love" of course! 😊
The NET notes suggest the idea is closer to "being truthful," or "being real or truthful in both conduct and speech. This would include speaking the truth - and more. I am sure we all know someone who has spoken truth without being truthful. Understanding this as "being truthful" would not preclude the connection to the previous verse, but would strengthen the connection.
Good video. I like to think of speaking the truth in love to a fellow Christian in sin as similar to the tongue-in-cheek manner that Tolkien described some of the hobbits after the end of Bilbo's Party, saying that gardeners came back and "removed in wheel-barrows those who had inadvertantly remained behind" instead of simply saying that some of them had gotten wasted. It's spoken in a tone that still honors the hobbit way of life even when showing their less honorable side, lifting them up for valuing community, having "a passion for family history", and it's these simple, fallible people who will be the ones to protect and ultimately destroy the Ring because of the simple life they value in which gardeners instead of warriors are held in high esteem, as Frodo later will say to Faramir. We are to recognize the good in a fellow Christian and help them get back home to the Lord's house just as the gardeners did.
really appreciate your videos -- excellent content. would love a video dedicated to "how to use logos". logos makes an appearance in most of your videos, and despite my best efforts, how i use it doesn't seem to match the screenshots that make it on to your videos.
Quick question. Someone claimed that the NKJV actually agrees with the Critical Text in some verses against the TR. 2 Jn. 7 was the best example they gave with the NKJV saying "gone out" instead of "entered into" agreeing with ἐξῆλθον of the Critical text. Any thoughts?
The issue with someone saying "the NKJV agrees with the Critical Text" and then citing tiny examples that don't have a major impact on a verse's meaning is that similar examples of such minor variation are already common in the various editions of the Textus Receptus. The overall character of a textual tradition outweighs a handful of differences that are barely even translatable. (In this particular case, the NKJV appears to agree with the Vulgate; such minor departures toward the Vulgate can often be found in the Reformation-era English translations.)
Now Ward’s gotta do one on “heretic” because theological internet world uses this beloved term - a LOT. When might plow boy Joe be just a smidge off and when is he “h” word?
Okay Mark, - here it is in the first draft ugly King Context Grammar Nazi rendition: Ephesians 4:15 (Nominative Subject - us all) ... (Verb Nominative Participle Plural) {us speaking truthfully} [primarily about "our calling and gifts"] (Conjunction) {and moreover/also} [do it] with love ["in the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace"] [so that] (Verb Subjunctive 1st Person Plural) {we could/should grow} ["in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge"] into Him [Christ Jesus] in all things ... Disclaimer This translation is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any confusion or chaos.
The NASB 1995 and ESV I have spent half a lifetime with: they're good. The NASB 2020 I haven't spent much time with and cannot speak to from direct experience. I expect it to be responsible, however, and I have not heard any major criticisms of it that have landed.
Hey Mark I have "Authorized" eagerly awaiting your 150 words book. When do you anticipate it coming out? Really would find it interesting, if you could put in when a word is correct meaning and when its a false friend. Locations in the bible book and verse. Thanks appreciate your work
The "New World Translation" renders Eph 4:15 a little more distinctly, clearly and precisely (including adjusting the comma) "But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ." study edition footnotes explain, "speaking the truth: The Greek verb used here is broad in meaning and might also be rendered “being truthful.” That is why some Bibles use such expressions as “living by the truth” and “practicing the truth.” Here Paul makes a stark contrast between the conduct of genuine Christians and the trickery, cunning, and deception of false teachers he denounced in verse 14."
Hi Brother Mark: In John 3:21, using different words, it clearly says, "DOING THE TRUTH". So that IS an NT concept. John 3:21-- ὁ δὲ ποιῶν τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα φανερωθῇ αὐτοῦ τὰ ἔργα ὅτι ἐν θεῷ ἐστιν εἰργασμένα. --John 3:21 [Biblegateway] John 3:21-- but he who is DOING THE TRUTH doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.’ --John 3:21 (YLT) [Young's Literal Translation]
Thanks Mark. In the spirit of this video I would like to humbly suggest that you no longer support or sponsor Logos. It’s a company that promotes, disseminates, and profits off of Catholic material. This material will send many to hell and we must refrain from being silent on the matter under the false unity that many Christians claim with Catholics. Please prayerfully consider this.
I thought carefully about these issues before I joined the staff there. I'd like to let Logos speak for itself on this issue; founder Bob Pritchett's statements satisfied me. I urge you to go find them. FWIW, this video was not actually sponsored by Logos!
Catholic material, like any orthodox (i.e. Trinitarian) material, can be used by anyone with the discernment to recognize theological bias. The Reformers didn't throw Aquinas into a bottomless pit just because they thought he was wrong in some key doctrinal ideas. It's not truly Protestant to be so anti-Catholic that you reject everything associated with them; that's more of an extreme Restorationist position.
Mark, I can’t tell you how much your content means to me. You are an island of reason and sanity in a sea of sloppy thinking. Thank you for everything you do.
This is so, so kind!
I think highlighting when the original Hebrew/Greek is ambiguous is crucial. It helps cut down on confusion and accusations of this or that translation not just "getting it wrong", but doing so intentionally. (Among reasonable people. With the unreasonable... well, you know how it goes.)
Right!
I agree completely!
Wow, I really needed this today. Thank you, brother.
I appreciated your Fiddler reference amid this Christian homily. It's a very wise film. 8:14
Knowing these verbal nuances will definitely help in my preaching - ironically, to a bunch of moderately KJVOnly guys, no less! Great insight, brother
Well said! Thank you, brother.
Thanks for listening!
This is refreshing content.
I have always understood this to men "speak the truth in a loving way."
If we look at it as "being truthful", as suggested in the NET notes, then we could also paraphrase this as "be truthful because of love."
Of course, if love is the motivation for being truthful, then that should also lead to being truthful and speaking the truth in a loving way.
Paul wrote and prayed about some very closely related ideas in this passage:
Philippians 1:9-10 CSB - And I pray this: that your love will keep on growing in knowledge and every kind of discernment, so that you may approve the things that are superior and may be pure and blameless in the day of Christ,
Incredibly excellent video, Mr. Ward.
Many thanks!
Excellent teaching, Mark.
Thank you for watching!
This describes what you do lol
Totally agree! You’re a great example about speaking truth in grace and love - and that is one of the first things I felt convicted over watching the first video I saw from you a couple of years ago!
Thank you for not just witnessing for the Lord with your knowledge and words, but with your example of humility and love whilst holding fast to the truth xoxo
I love these new videos! I'm so glad you're expanding your channel.
I'm so glad!
Very good message. Very well received.
Thank you kindly, Eric!
And Amen
Love it! And I love the new channel content. Thanks again Mark.
That's encouraging! More to come, Lord willing!
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
Excellent video Sir, very edifying !!
Much appreciated!
Thank you Mark. I always learn from your content. I would love to see you talk about Romans 12:1. Specifically, the last two words which are are translated in a variety of ways.
Stunning, thanks!
Thank you too!
Wow! This is EXCELLENT!! Keep these coming!! Do you have more of these Homilies??? RnMT
More to come!
Would it spoil some vast eternal plan... You've probably never watched fiddler on the roof ;)
Very good as always! I'm so very thankful for the many insights you've shared. I have a full notes version of the net bible (the K2 Denmark edition) that I reference often in study all because of what I've learned from you, and you've given me a strong desire to learn how to use better tools. I sure like it when you show how you use your software too.
I've watched Fiddler on the Roof since I was a child! Love it!
Ooh, that NET Bible is awesome! I have one, too!
"SPEAKING" makes more sense than doing because this is talking about refuting man made doctrines. I like the Eph 4:14 and Heb 13:9 combo punch. This helps me argue against the Doctrine of Grace.... with "love" of course! 😊
The NET notes suggest the idea is closer to "being truthful," or "being real or truthful in both conduct and speech. This would include speaking the truth - and more. I am sure we all know someone who has spoken truth without being truthful.
Understanding this as "being truthful" would not preclude the connection to the previous verse, but would strengthen the connection.
Thank you for your work!
My pleasure!
So interesting. Thanks for deepening my understanding of this passage.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I suppose we can speak the truth through our words and life, like Able, “he being dead yet speakers” Hebrews 11:4
Love your videos
Thank you so much! More to come, Lord willing!
Good video. I like to think of speaking the truth in love to a fellow Christian in sin as similar to the tongue-in-cheek manner that Tolkien described some of the hobbits after the end of Bilbo's Party, saying that gardeners came back and "removed in wheel-barrows those who had inadvertantly remained behind" instead of simply saying that some of them had gotten wasted. It's spoken in a tone that still honors the hobbit way of life even when showing their less honorable side, lifting them up for valuing community, having "a passion for family history", and it's these simple, fallible people who will be the ones to protect and ultimately destroy the Ring because of the simple life they value in which gardeners instead of warriors are held in high esteem, as Frodo later will say to Faramir. We are to recognize the good in a fellow Christian and help them get back home to the Lord's house just as the gardeners did.
Yes, I love that. An excellent and picturesque point.
really appreciate your videos -- excellent content. would love a video dedicated to "how to use logos". logos makes an appearance in most of your videos, and despite my best efforts, how i use it doesn't seem to match the screenshots that make it on to your videos.
Great suggestion!
I know a "real" translation can't do this, but I leave that word as "truthing". There is more behind it than just speech.
Yeah, I call this the "layeth the smacked downeth" when truthing those Rock wrestling fans.
PS: and i use almost exclusively the NET w/notes for study :)) RnMT
Wow! That's a new one! But it's a useful study Bible. I plan to make a video about it this year in my Best Bible Translation series.
Interesting to note that YLT renders “being true in love”
Ah, interesting!
Quick question. Someone claimed that the NKJV actually agrees with the Critical Text in some verses against the TR. 2 Jn. 7 was the best example they gave with the NKJV saying "gone out" instead of "entered into" agreeing with ἐξῆλθον of the Critical text. Any thoughts?
I believe I discuss that very passage in this video: th-cam.com/video/OxC7rteICFw/w-d-xo.html
@@wardonwords Thank you so much!
The issue with someone saying "the NKJV agrees with the Critical Text" and then citing tiny examples that don't have a major impact on a verse's meaning is that similar examples of such minor variation are already common in the various editions of the Textus Receptus. The overall character of a textual tradition outweighs a handful of differences that are barely even translatable. (In this particular case, the NKJV appears to agree with the Vulgate; such minor departures toward the Vulgate can often be found in the Reformation-era English translations.)
@@MAMoreno Hey, thanks for the thought. I noticed that other reformation Bibles did just that in other verses.
Now Ward’s gotta do one on “heretic” because theological internet world uses this beloved term - a LOT. When might plow boy Joe be just a smidge off and when is he “h” word?
I did talk about this in a false friends video!
Okay Mark, - here it is in the first draft ugly King Context Grammar Nazi rendition:
Ephesians 4:15
(Nominative Subject - us all) ... (Verb Nominative Participle Plural) {us speaking truthfully} [primarily about "our calling and gifts"] (Conjunction) {and moreover/also} [do it] with love ["in the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace"] [so that] (Verb Subjunctive 1st Person Plural) {we could/should grow} ["in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge"] into Him [Christ Jesus] in all things ...
Disclaimer
This translation is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any confusion or chaos.
Mark I always enjoy your videos. Is the NASB 2020 a solid translation along with the NASB 1995 and the ESV?
The NASB 1995 and ESV I have spent half a lifetime with: they're good. The NASB 2020 I haven't spent much time with and cannot speak to from direct experience. I expect it to be responsible, however, and I have not heard any major criticisms of it that have landed.
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Hey Mark I have "Authorized" eagerly awaiting your 150 words book. When do you anticipate it coming out? Really would find it interesting, if you could put in when a word is correct meaning and when its a false friend. Locations in the bible book and verse.
Thanks appreciate your work
It's only 38 words, though the list of 150 is at the back. ;)
Probably won't come out till 2026, I'm being told. =|
I was not able to be fully engaged while I listened in but maybe “speaking” is somehow related to how “conversation” is used in the KJV?
I think this passage should be the byline of this channel.
Many thanks, Justin. This is very kind!
The "New World Translation" renders Eph 4:15 a little more distinctly, clearly and precisely (including adjusting the comma) "But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ."
study edition footnotes explain, "speaking the truth: The Greek verb used here is broad in meaning and might also be rendered “being truthful.” That is why some Bibles use such expressions as “living by the truth” and “practicing the truth.” Here Paul makes a stark contrast between the conduct of genuine Christians and the trickery, cunning, and deception of false teachers he denounced in verse 14."
Hi Brother Mark:
In John 3:21, using different words, it clearly says, "DOING THE TRUTH". So that IS an NT concept.
John 3:21--
ὁ δὲ ποιῶν τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα φανερωθῇ αὐτοῦ τὰ ἔργα ὅτι ἐν θεῷ ἐστιν εἰργασμένα.
--John 3:21 [Biblegateway]
John 3:21--
but he who is DOING THE TRUTH doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.’
--John 3:21 (YLT) [Young's Literal Translation]
Yes! Good!
Yet speaketh (auto correct incorrectly kicked in)
Just saw this and thought of your channel: th-cam.com/video/UVeYAfumNpg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cOy0XMIUDGiCwY5Y
Yes, classic! I should have interviewed them before I stopped talking about KJV-Onlyism on the channel!
Thanks Mark. In the spirit of this video I would like to humbly suggest that you no longer support or sponsor Logos. It’s a company that promotes, disseminates, and profits off of Catholic material.
This material will send many to hell and we must refrain from being silent on the matter under the false unity that many Christians claim with Catholics.
Please prayerfully consider this.
I thought carefully about these issues before I joined the staff there. I'd like to let Logos speak for itself on this issue; founder Bob Pritchett's statements satisfied me. I urge you to go find them. FWIW, this video was not actually sponsored by Logos!
Catholic material, like any orthodox (i.e. Trinitarian) material, can be used by anyone with the discernment to recognize theological bias. The Reformers didn't throw Aquinas into a bottomless pit just because they thought he was wrong in some key doctrinal ideas. It's not truly Protestant to be so anti-Catholic that you reject everything associated with them; that's more of an extreme Restorationist position.
@ Logos has the “Glories of Mary” on its Platform… one of the most blasphemous books ever written.