Why Do Youtubers Keep Destroying Companies - WAN Show April 19, 2024
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Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119):
0:00 Chapters
1:20 Intro
1:44 Topic #1 - Interview with Tenstorrent's CEO Jim Keller
4:11 What Tenstorrent does, discussing RISC V
7:54 Do the RISC V teams look for a PhD or for experience?
9:39 How far do you think x86 can go? How computers predict
11:54 Could Intel or AMD use RISC V as a prediction set in their chips?
13:18 Linus on returning to legacy & replacing PCs with RISC V?
16:29 Luke on server stack issues
18:52 Advice for keeping up with the industry?
20:34 Linus asks about the origin of Tenstorrent's ideas
24:39 Discussing AI's impact on computers & architecture design
31:01 Being in a simulation & related theories
32:00 Discussing company stocks, good V.S. great company leader
37:50 What was joining AMD back then like? ft. Management, risk
43:46 How much did Intel save AMD with the bad generational leaps?
44:58 Discussing NVIDIA's current leap, thoughts on the future
49:08 RISC V competitors helping RISC V's development?
50:34 Linus on the issues with the x86 Via Centaur chip
53:08 How far are we from fully self-driving cars?
58:10 What will the next tech thing be?
1:04:08 What does Tenstorrent & Jim Keller do? ft. Roast
1:08:40 Ending the interview, excited Linus & Luke discuss
1:11:18 Topic #2 - TH-camr reviews on Humane Ai Pin causes drama
1:13:28 Linus recalls NVIDIA & Hardware Unboxed controversy
1:15:20 Discussing it from the manufacturer's side, NVIDIA & Apple
1:20:46 Luke requests FP reviews of the new beta site
1:21:18 Linus recalls his comment on not wasting money
1:25:44 Luke on companies pushing beyond, recalls Jim's interview
1:27:39 Sponsor - MSI
1:28:55 Sponsor - Squarespace
1:29:47 Sponsor - Vessi
1:30:39 Merch Messages #1
1:31:55 LTT Labs mouse reviews ETA? ft. Calling Gary, Beat Saber paper
1:36:45 Connecting an infected PC task ft. Tech in movies, forums link
1:39:36 Topic #3 - PaintCam Eve, AI projectile-powered security kickstarter
1:49:24 Topic #4 - Overclockers UK repairs The Spiffing Brit's tea PC
1:51:55 Repairs done, why make PCs for creators? ft. DiskMantler, drive stories
1:57:36 LTTStore's new Labs phase shirt, pullover hoodie & zip-up hoodie
1:59:48 Topic #5 - Watcher leaves TH-cam, launches ad-free subscription
2:01:14 Linus & Luke on why this wouldn't work, Vessi, FP, Patreon
2:14:46 Pullover & zip-up hoodies will be print to order
2:14:56 Topic #6 - HP sued over blocking third party ink & monopoly
2:17:19 Topic #7 - Boston Dynamics announces new Atlas
2:21:22 Keanu Reeves to voice Shadow in the Sonic 3 movie
2:21:45 Figure's OpenAI speech-to-speech reasoning robot
2:23:25 Topic #8 - TH-cam warns third party TH-cam apps with an ad blocker
2:27:44 Linus on Google's ad blocker detection & Google Family
2:31:00 Topic #9 - Linus reviews Steam Families
2:32:36 Topic #10 - Plex tells GitHub to take down Plex Reshare repository
2:35:02 Topic #11 - UK criminalizes noncon sexualized deepfakes
2:35:17 US's potential bill allows victims to sue, can this be enforced?
2:37:20 Merch Messages #2 ft. WAN Show After Dark
2:37:48 What is beyond Labs? Do you consider going after online education?
2:38:53 How is Linus's smart home going? Zigbee or Wi-Fi?
2:44:07 Biggest compromise Linus or Yvonne had with adding home tech?
2:44:58 Is the Labs hoodie the same as the Dropout hoodie?
2:45:43 Something that was more complicated than you thought?
2:48:40 New LTTStore onesie designs ETA?
2:52:18 Have you watched the Fallout show? ft. "Wink" - Dan
2:53:47 Motivation behind FP's frontend refactor to react?
2:56:21 Any repairs or tweaks Linus had to do with his Chevy Bolt?
2:57:46 Has Liuns considered AHL hockey games?
3:00:33 Why isn't the ATX12VO mainstream yet?
3:01:11 Thoughts on the Twitter sites changing to X sites?
3:02:47 Worst mass adopted tech product?
3:04:16 Would you consider Massdrop for low volume products?
3:05:38 Riding a bike with the LTT backpack? How does it fair with accidents?
3:06:27 What brand of Optical DP does Linus run for his racked PCs?
3:07:51 If you collaborate with others on LTTStore, what would you make?
3:09:06 Thoughts on buying online movies you can't own then pirating it?
3:11:44 Whatever happened to upside down PC cases?
3:12:03 Favorite part of product development?
3:13:37 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
-Timestamps-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:20] *Intro.*
[1:44] *Topic #1: Interview with Tenstorrent's CEO Jim Keller.*
> 4:11 What Tenstorrent does, discussing RISC V.
> 7:54 is RISC V looking for a PhD or experience?
> 9:39 How far do you think x86 can go? How computers predict.
> 11:54 Could Intel or AMD use RISC V as a prediction set in their chips?
> 13:18 Linus on returning to legacy & replacing PCs with RISC V?
> 16:29 Luke on server stack issues.
> 18:52 Advice for keeping up with the industry?
> 20:34 Linus asks about the origin of Tenstorrent's ideas.
> 24:39 Discussing AI's impact on computers & architecture design.
> 31:01 Being in a simulation & related theories.
> 32:00 Discussing company stocks, good V.S. great company leader.
> 37:50 What was joining AMD back then like? ft. Management, risk.
> 43:46 How much did Intel save AMD with the bad generational leaps?
> 44:58 Discussing NVIDIA's current leap, thoughts on the future.
> 49:08 RISC V competitors helping RISC V's development?
> 50:34 Linus on the issues with the x86 Via Centaur chip.
> 53:08 How far are we from fully self driving cars?
> 58:10 What will the next tech thing be?
> 1:04:08 What does Tenstorrent & Jim Keller do? ft. Roast.
> 1:08:40 Ending the interview, excited Linus & Luke discuss.
[1:11:18] *Topic #2: TH-camr interviews on Humane Ai Pin cause drama.*
> 1:13:28 Linus recalls NVIDIA & Hardware Unboxed controversy.
> 1:15:20 Discussing it from the manufacturer's side, NVIDIA & Apple.
> 1:20:46 Luke requests FP reviews of the new beta site.
> 1:21:18 Linus recalls his comment on not wasting money.
> 1:25:44 Luke on companies pushing beyond, recalls Jim's interview.
[1:27:39] *Sponsors.*
> 1:27:44 MSI.
> 1:28:55 Squarespace.
> 1:29:47 Vessi.
[1:30:39] *Merch Messages #1.*
> 1:31:55 LTT Labs mouse reviews ETA? ft. Calling Gary, Beat Saber paper.
> 1:36:45 Connecting an infected PC task ft. Tech in movies, forums link.
[1:39:36] *Topic #3: PaintCam Eve, AI projectile-powered security kickstarter.*
[1:49:24] *Topic #4: Overclockers UK repairs The Spiffing Brit's tea PC.*
> 1:51:55 Repairs done, why make PCs for creators? ft. DiskMantler, drive stories.
[1:57:36] *LTTStore's new Labs phase shirt, pullover hoodie & zip-up hoodie.*
[1:59:48] *Topic #5: Watcher leaves TH-cam, launches ad-free subcription.*
> 2:01:14 Linus & Luke on why this wouldn't work, Vessi, FP, Patreon.
[2:14:46] *Pullover & zip-up hoodies will be print to order.*
[2:14:56] *Topic #6: HP sued over blocking third party ink & monopoly.*
[2:17:19] *Topic #7: Boston Dynamics announces new Atlas.*
> 2:21:22 Keanu Reeves to voice Shadow in the Sonic 3 movie.
> 2:21:45 Figure's OpenAI speech-to-speech reasoning robot.
[2:23:25] *Topic #8: TH-cam warns third party TH-cam apps with adblocks.*
> 2:27:44 Linus on Google's adblocker detection & Google Family.
[2:31:00] *Topic #9: Linus reviews Steam Families.*
[2:32:36] *Topic #10: Plex tells GitHub to take down Plex Reshare repositry.*
[2:35:02] *Topic #11: UK criminalizes noncon sexualized deepfakes.*
> 2:35:17 US's potential bill allows victims to sue, can this be enforced?
[2:37:20] *Merch Messages #2 ft. WAN Show After Dark.*
> 2:37:48 What is beyond Labs? Do you consider going after online education?
> 2:38:53 How is Linus's smart home going? Zigbee or Wi-Fi?
> 2:44:07 Biggest compromise Linus or Yvonne had with adding home tech?
> 2:44:58 Is the Labs hoodie the same as the Dropout hoodie?
> 2:45:43 Something that was more complicated than you thought?
> 2:48:40 New LTTStore onesie designs ETA?
> 2:52:18 Have you watched the Fallout show? ft. "Wink" - Dan.
> 2:53:47 Motivation behind FP's frontend refactor to react?
> 2:56:21 Any repairs or tweaks Linus had to do with his Chevy Bolt?
> 2:57:46 Has Liuns considered AHL hockey games?
> 3:00:33 Why isn't the ATX12VO mainstream yet?
> 3:01:11 Thoughts on the Twitter sites changing to X sites?
> 3:02:47 Worst mass adopted tech product?
> 3:04:16 Would you consider Massdrop for low volume products?
> 3:05:38 Riding a bike with the LTT backpack? How does it fair with accidents?
> 3:06:27 What brand of Optical DP does Linus run for his racked PCs?
> 3:07:51 If you collaborate with others on LTTStore, what would you make?
> 3:09:06 Thoughts on buying online movies you can't own then pirating it?
> 3:11:44 Whatever happened to upside down PC cases?
> 3:12:03 Favorite part of product development?
[3:13:37] *Outro.*
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You a real one for this! Appreciate it as always
Thank you!
thank you so much
how much money are you making from doing this?
@@wacky1446 Linus has talked about it before. They volunteer. LTT doesn't ask or expect them to do it. They've recieved gifts periodically from LTT as appreciation, but there's no expectations or obligations from either side
Jim can add "fixed WAN show start time" to his list of achievements
Arguably his most impressive accolade
Doing this interview live on the WAN show took some balls. Congratulations on the excellent stream!
When an honest review destroys your company you have a shit product that shouldn’t have been released.
Let's be honest, sometimes company pay youtubers to make bad reviews on a competitors product. Happened many times before
@@tokhenz Any examples of this happening, have yet to see something like this happen.
However I mainly watch the "mainstream" reviewers like gamer nexus, jayztwocents, LTT, and sometimes brownlee.
Yes but in this case it was just crappy, unfinished, beta product.
@tokhenz let's be actually honest, any youtuber that takes money from company A to make a bad video about a product from company B is extremely unethical and doesn't deserve your views, if that even happens at all. If you have any actual, proven examples of that happening, by all means provide links, otherwise you're talking out your ass. Even if it does happen, the "mainstream" youtubers aren't the ones doing it
@@tokhenz I mean probably smaller YTers yea but any of the larger ones are risking to much, paid non disclosed reviews are not just against youtube TOS but in many places the law (even if payment if from a different company that still needs to be disclosed)
the amount any of these bigger creators would (should) take for that far exceeds what it would be worth for any company out there
Don't get me wrong, I love the WAN show and listen to it every week.
But that live chat with a brain that big on Keller, making extremely complicated things understandable. And the super well put together questions and follow ups.
That was the best wan show I've ever listened to. Period.
💯
I miss the old school pcper with shrout, just always diving deep into the heart of the technology on the bleeding edge and how it's tested
Same here. I will ALWAYS listen to anything that man has to say.
💯
No doubt. I would've listened to him for days
The problem with Doc Martens isn't that they suddenly got high quality. They've always lasted for many years even through intense usage. They moved their production to china when part of the cache was their being made in the UK. They were also huge in the punk and electronic scene who largely gave up on them as styles change and simultaneously the move to China lost the niche status that being made in England endeared them to those communities as well. Now they're just another show/boot company in a huge field of competition of other style innovators.
And now that they are made in some sweatshop out of tofu the quality has crashed though the floor
The Jim Keller interview was jaw-droppingly compelling, fascinating and too short.
It must be uploaded as standalone video. Great gift from Jim to LMG.
Completely agree it was way too short!
LMG clips channel should have it up pretty soon @@zzavatski
So much so Linus' jaw kept malfunctioning 🤣
th-cam.com/users/liveOnVUXC9Fou4?si=dndvz4lEPFfidqRV&t=3128
(I also have TICs, it's just a pun guys!)
He’s amazing
Jim Keller was out of this world man.
Oh man, that interview was insane 😂 What a blast.
Yea that was pretty good
Probably a bit too much for the usual LTT viewership demographic though :-)
interesting take on the how best to simulate a universe. And I think he meant undecidability when he was talking about the unprovability principle.
Jim Keller has been an inspiration for me since I built my first computer and the reason I went into Computer Engineering for college. I really should have kept with it but super excited to watch the interview!
TH-cam used to feed me infographic compilations in my sleep/through the night , but it recently switched to the WAN show and now I am waking up to Linus segue me into breakfast lots. NOT complaining just making y'all aware of my great new morning routine and wondering what info I subconsciously will absorb🤣! greetings from the Netherlands.
Been on this train for years now, I never know if I'm going to wake up to discussion about 2020, 21, 23 or 24 news, but always great content.
Me too!
@@LoneWanderer905I remember youtube autoplay use to go wild back in the day go to sleep listening to something normal and wake up to crazy ish that I never looked up on my own or interacted. I've also noticed that youtube loves to promote certain streams to me i woke up many times to the exact same stream playing or next up when it stopped autoplaying.
@@LoneWanderer905That’s a great idea - let all the news agendas sink in subconsciously while you sleep!
Consider setting a sleep timer. You are likely getting awful sleep with a show going on in the background the entire time and are doing some damage to your brain and body in the long run. Sleep's super important man.
This guy is an inspiration. It's impressive that as a for-profit company he is so full on open-source, and really sees it as a "team effort" where other teams/companies build towards a similar goal as friendly competitors. Also great that he explicitly says that he isn't looking to compete with Nvidia because he doesn't need to run billion dollars into profits. Awesome realism.
Everyone in the FOSS community is generally awesome and wants what's best for humanity. I love Anti-trust (2001) starring Tim Robbins. He plays a satirized version of Bill Gates. It's kinda an over-the-top movie but honestly it does show the importance and greatness of open-source.
Without anything being open-source... 99% of humanity would be destined for slavery. Imagine a world without Linux. Apple and Microsoft would literally own everything. As it is they still are worth a combined 5-almost-6 TRILLION dollars.
The only thing that bugs me with this approach is that countries like russia/iran/china/etc are going to get those technologies for free and use in most possible bad ways
You must put Jim Keller in the thumbnail if not rethink the title, I understand that the title is the ‘hot’ news, but I almost skipped because I already know about the MKBHD stuff. But having Keller’s wisdom on the show is by far the most exciting thing on the show. (At least for me)
Maybe they should reupload the whole interview bit on its own and relabel it as "interview with...", to reach everyone interested in the interview and not in a rehash of last week's news.
@@Jekubmanyeah they could create a channel lmg clips and clip it there like they couldve done with lots of other clippable moments from the stream. Oh wait
Yeah, best WAN show ever. Loved the interview.
@orlagh277 an hour long segment wouldn't really be a clip anymore.
@@Jekubman It's in the name.
It's something taken out of something longer.
Clips are generally based on one uninterrupted subject.
Their duration don't (shouldn't) matter and they could go on the wan show clip channel.
Check out Fishvap's comment to see a way more detailed and full version of timestamps
0:00 WAN starts
1:48 Introducing Jim Keller
3:00 Jim appears
4:20 1st community question, and Jim introduces Tenstorrent
8:00 2nd part of community question
9:53 3rd community question
11:59 2nd part of community question
13:26 Linus asks a question
16:35 Luke asks a question
18:54 4th community question
20:43 Linus asks a question
24:43 Lets talk AI
25:00 5th community question and Linus follow on question
31:06 Are we really in a simulation?
32:02 Linus question (business)
34:28 Answer
36:23 What does Tenstorrent success look like?
37:55 6th community question (AMD)
40:42 Engineers not believing in a project
42:11 What was the question? (Summarised)
43:53 How much did Intel save AMD by stagnating?
44:55 NVIDIA is the lead. Opinions and aim for the future
49:10 Other competitors in RISC V teammates?
50:45 LTT has managed to get a Centaur processor
53:08 How far away are we from FSD?
58:12 What is the next thing?
1:04:11 What are you doing?
1:08:43 Interview wrap up
Stopping for now. Feel free to contribute below.
I've never seen timestamps being made in real time! I'm here at 20 minute timestamp
@@Joeseanag24You are probably ahead now. I don't do this often. I keep getting drawn in and have to go back
How are you, timestamp-guy? Wish you a good day.
@@KaufDirGeldSurprisingly I'm stepping outside to do some gardening. Will be back later.
Feel free to add to the top comment
1:11:12 - MKBHD destroys economy (Humane Pin review)
Getting Jim Keller on the show was amazing. Also really great questions, insightful interview!
You can really tell Linus was very excited by the way he just doesn't stop talking when asking questions, jumping from one question to another and another and doesn't even breathe doing so.
So relatable tho
1:22 *Intro*
1:49 *Interview: Jim Keller, CEO of Tenstorrent*
3:09 Jim appears after introduction
4:18 "Can you give us a short introduction into Tenstorrent?"
7:52 "For getting into a higher level design position, PhD or years in industry?"
9:41 "How far can x86-64 go?"
11:57 "Could we see cores using multiple architectures?"
13:22 "Will we see ARM and RISC-V replacing x86 in the future?"
16:31 "How is the server stack going?"
18:52 "How do you keep up with the industry?"
20:35 "How much of a generational improvement was: you hadn't thought of it, you tried it small but now you're going big, or we had thought of it but the technology wouldn't allow for it?"
24:39 "Where do you see your role in AI? Do you feel a responsibility in building the hardware that is responsible for AI advancements?"
28:44 "How harmful is high visibility AI failure? Is it damaging in the long term?"
32:02 "Could it be both a fad and the future at the same time?"
33:24 "What is the leadership at your company like?"
37:50 "What was the morale at AMD like?"
40:46 "With the people working on Zen, how did they not believe in it throughout its development?"
43:52 "How much did Intel save AMD through stagnation?"
44:58 "Which company are you guys targeting?"
49:11 "Do you see competitors in RISC-V as teammates?"
50:39 "What do you think the problem with the Centaur's AI CPUs was?"
53:08 "AI is hard. Driving a car is hard. How far are we from full self driving?"
54:03 "How far are away from TRUE self driving?"
58:10 "Do you know what the next big thing will be?"
1:02:17 "What is your take on keeping generative AI out of creative mediums?"
1:04:01 "You're working on low cost fabrication equipment: is it ASML?"
1:07:41 "Which comes first, Atomic Semi or Tenstorrent? Do they drive each other?"
1:08:43 Closing statements, end of interview
1:11:10 *Topic 1: MKBHD "destroys" AI company*
1:13:00 Marques' comment on the incident
1:13:23 You owe nothing to companies sending products for free
1:15:20 Discussing the screwdriver reviews, how people didn't have to give a good review
1:18:15 LTT never received review sample, ordered to review on the channel soon
1:19:51 There are no obligations to send products to reviewers
1:20:48 Floatplane update
1:21:19 MKBHD is saving consumers from a junk product
1:23:03 Intel ARC, couldn't recommend but they wanted it to succeed because it had potential
1:23:43 Engagement bait was MKBHD's biggest sin, we NEED multiple perspectives for product reviews
1:25:55 We all want risk takers but companies will inevitably fail, you can't say "good product" to a bad product
1:27:44 *Sponsor - MSI
1:28:56 *Sponsor - Squarespace*
29:49 *Sponsor - Vessi*
1:30:41 *Merch Messages*
1:31:56 "ETA on mouse portion of LTT Labs?"
1:32:17 "Thoughts on research paper where 55k+ users in Beat Saber can be uniquely identified using head and hand motion?"
1:33:09 Cont.. "ETA on mouse portion of LTT Labs?"
1:36:10 Cont.. "Thoughts on research paper where 55k+ users in Beat Saber can be uniquely identified using head and hand motion?"
1:36:44 "How do you handle being told to connect an infected PC to a hospital work LAN?"
1:39:40 *Topic 2: PaintCam Eve, the paintball camera with AI face recognition*
1:40:41 Watching the first look video on the camera
1:41:19 Explanation of what the camera is intended to do, features provided
1:42:36 Dear CEO: have you ever fired a paintball gun?
1:43:52 People have made this before! This is a very bad idea!
1:44:59 Watching I Did A Thing's paintball camera "home security system"
1:45:28 Most countries have laws to prevent home security systems from existing
1:46:34 "Paintballs can be accurate but you need a long barrel"
1:48:36 Porch pirates won't even get hit
1:49:24 *Topic 3: Spiffing Brit Tea PC was damaged in shipping, mould started growing*
1:51:56 The tea has been replaced with dyed EK-CryoFuel
1:52:06 They added their own branded mug to the build, watching the video to try and find it in the PC
1:52:47 "Thanks for fixing the PC, why do we build creator PCs when they get broken in transit?"
1:53:39 Linus brings up hard drive destroyer that purely works on vibration
1:54:06 Watching promotional video on the machine
1:54:37 People typically underestimate the amount of damage that HDDs take through transportation
1:55:00 Luke's story about a truck driver who would often leave his laptop on the side and the HDD would shake itself to death until SSDs existed
1:56:07 Doc Martens are struggling, supposedly from long lasting shoes
1:56:28 We reached the point where people don't need to upgrade their SSDs anymore
1:57:38 *LTTStore*
1:57:51 Labs Phase T-Shirt
1:58:54 Labs Phase Pullover Hoodie (and Zip-up Hoodie)
1:59:00 *Topic 4: Watcher Entertainment announces they are leaving TH-cam and starting an ad-free subscription streaming service called WatcherTV*
2:01:13 "I think they're doomed" and Luke elaborates why
2:02:11 They plan to upload first few episodes to TH-cam, rest will go to streaming service
2:03:02 The audience is the algorithm in a way
2:05:18 So many reasons for people not to want to watch anymore
2:06:30 People change. That's why people move on most of the time
2:07:45 If you're not diversifying your content then you won't survive
2:08:37 Floatplane was built to create sustainability, Vessel was not viable
2:09:08 DropoutTV is a great example of how they market their shows on TH-cam and have a diverse catalogue
2:10:18 External monetization methods for WatcherTV
2:12:37 Rooster Teeth tried the same thing, but failed into obscurity
2:13:19 With so many Floatplane subscribers, the revenue is still not good enough to justify replacing TH-cam
2:14:48 Pullover and Zip-up hoodies are print-to-order, shipping will be delayed
2:14:58 *Topic 5: HP sued for their printer ink monopoly, again*
2:16:24 Discussion question: how many times do we need to prove it's not OK so that they stop?
2:17:20 *Topic 6: Boston Dynamics is replacing Atlas... with Atlas*
2:17:40 Watching the New Atlas video
2:18:42 Limbs don't need to bend normally on a robot
2:18:57 What jobs are they going to be doing?
2:19:56 We are a lot closer to the future than we realise
2:21:24 Keanu Reeves is going to be the voice of Sonic the Shadow
2:21:53 Watching the video on the Figure robot
2:23:24 *Topic 7: TH-cam warns ad blockers with punishments*
2:24:04 What is TH-cam trying to do here?
2:24:38 You can't boycott TH-cam, you have no impact and you are actually a leech on the platform
2:25:26 This is a win, but not for the reason you think
2:27:05 This is the best offer we'll get, there is no negotiating power
2:27:47 The war on ads will only continue
2:28:44 The hope is that things stay like this for the foreseeable future
2:29:25 Premium is expensive. You can subsidise the cost quite easily
2:30:14 TH-cam is apparently cracking down on Google Family abuse
2:31:12 Linus talks about his experience with the new Steam Families beta
2:32:40 *Topic 8: Plex requests a takedown on the Plex Reshare repository, GitHub agrees*
2:35:04 *Topic 9: UK criminalizes sexualised deepfakes, US considering a bill to allow victims to sue creators of sexualised deepfakes without consent*
2:35:41 Anything broader would be tough to enforce because of doppelgangers
2:36:19 People are getting upset about others recreating their likeness using deepfakes and AI
2:37:35 *WAN Show Afterdark*
2:37:49 "What is beyond Labs?"
2:38:55 "How is the smart home going? Who do you recommend?"
2:44:09 "What's the biggest compromise you or Yvonne have made adding technology to the house?"
2:44:59 "Is the Labs hoodie the same as the Dropout hoodie?"
2:45:44 "What is something that is significantly more complicated than you thought prior to LTTStore or Floatplane?"
2:48:41 "When will the onesie get a new design?"
2:52:19 "Have you watched the Fallout show yet?"
2:53:48 "What was the motivation for the frontend refactor?"
2:56:25 "I bought the Chevy Bolt. Any major repairs or tweaks? What should I do to keep it in good shape?"
2:57:47 "Ever considered AHL hockey games?"
3:00:35 "Why still no ATX12VO?"
3:01:13 "Thoughts on automatically switching Twitter to X in posts?"
3:02:48 "Worst widely adopted technology product?"
3:04:16 "For other low-volume products, would you consider mass drop?"
3:05:38 "Do you ride your bike with the LTT backpack? How well does it do after an accident?"
3:06:28 "What brand of optical DP are you running in your home?"
3:07:52 "Who would you collaborate with for LTTStore? What would you make?"
3:09:08 "What do you think about buying a movie online and taking a copy of it for local use?"
3:11:46 "What happened to upside down PC cases?"
3:12:03 "What is your favourite part of product development?"
3:13:48 *Outro*
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Truly.doing the lords work here, my friend
I expanded the comment and then I'm like oh I should give it a like scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll I know that youtube really killed the comments by shrinking them into oblivion but this is still one long comment. Thanks for the timestamps.
@@imark7777777 yw. Noticed it hadn't been done yet so I just went screw it I'll just 1.5x through the video and annotate as I listen 😂
Thank you, much appreciated
PLEASE have Mr. Keller on again! Holy heck that was fascinating.
I could listen to him talk for hours. About literally anything.
He's got such a grounded yet esoteric grasp on reality.
Such a delight to hear him speak. Extremely knowledgeable.
"They might test it in a way that we didn't think of" is exactly why you SHOULD send your product to outside reviewers, ideally a pre-release version so you can find fixable quirks and errors before full production. You should also have your team using the product during design and testing for the same reason (like how the LTT screwdriver showed up being used in tons of videos before it was available for purchase).
I loved the personality of Jim. He knows how to talk and not stop but is still engaging to listen to and love his phrases and humor
I also like how down to earth he is. I guess at his level he doesn’t really prove anything to anyone, but still.
he loves hearing himself talk and nobody else
@@marcellkovacs5452 down to earth? lol he talked to them like they are toddlers
@@Drzzltthey are toddlers. They are his kids age
@@zt9233 thats not what toddlers means bud
Best WAN show ever.. that interview with Jim was so interesting and insightful.. thanks LTT
must have been a long week for LMG teams with so many streams they handled, good job y'all
Speaking of, I thought Linus was supposed to be slowing production down, but I feel like they've made a new channel since then and still put out about one a day.
To be fair, with over 100 staff even if each person only did one video a month worth of work, that would be 3 videos a day so as the number of staff increase, the number of videos can increase without any one person working more
@@gmailisaretard I think at least on the main channel, the video now will go up only if it's ready, no hard schedule
@@ejasmith not all their headcounts are in the video editing team, actually
@@gmailisaretardit’s not even close to one a day, what you on about?
Finally wan show is back. Now i can listen to this for the rest of my night shift.
Yeah I got worried for a sec I wasn’t gonna be able to listen at work.
Was it gone? There has been a wan show every saturday for the past few years (with one exception last summer)
@@orlagh277 They something out at 2:31:30
@orlagh277 was set to private video earlier, so we couldn't get in
I tuned in live at 3am. Dozed off and it was gone from my history when I woke up. Felt like a fever dream lol
What a fantastic Interview... MORE Guests like him!! This was a blast!
2:05:27 To be completely fair... That was a 6 hour stream and neither the title nor thumbnail indicated that it was for charity. I do not blame a non-regular for not clicking that. Even I didn't watch it despite the fact I haven't missed watching a wan show in at least 5 years (even if I did have to catch up on the vod after the fact).
I don’t usually watch their streams It was such a great one, i laughed a lot. You should totally watch it.
@@Danny-wv8ec I might have to. Thanks for letting me know.
yep
...they announced it on WAN
@@hme850 not everyone views wan or the streamed content. Some people only view the daily uploads. Linus’s point about it being funny still stands, but the “clearly didn’t watch the video” bit when the video is a 6 hour live stream is a bit silly.
That interview unintentionally turned into a reference for the second blindsight book
The audio volume from Jim Keller is off really badly from the volume of Luke&Linus, so You have to either adjust every single time they start speaking, let Your head explode with LOUD LINUS if You want to hear what Jim is talking about, or just accept having no clue what Jim is saying when L&L volume is at normal level. Please have this in mind the next time You'll have a guest, because unlike other channels You're 99,99% of time absolutely perfect with keeping the volume of different elements of a video exactly the same. Cheers!
Well… there's a reason why they don't do guest…
Ehh I heard em fine
Install a compressor plugin in your browser, For sub-optimal occaisions such as these, watch a quick tutorial on how an audio compressor works, and you should be golden.
I didn't experience this...
I have this problem with a lot of TH-cam, and especially movies. Look up Loudness Equalization for windows, or poke around your driver settings depending on the device.
Jim’s intelligence spews with every word he speaks. Dude is down right impressive. A lot of specifics went over my head and I’m still amazed listening. Most impressive guest of all time for WAN show imo. His nonchalant attitude when talking about these ground breaking technologies is the cherry on top!
Thanks for the great episode! I listened to this while I cleaned out and fixed an old server my instructor gave me. Your channel and this podcast is what got me into tech! Thanks for being a inspiration
I once bought HP brand ink and my printer gave a message saying it wasn't genuine HP ink. I no longer have an HP printer
It was weird, I could look at ink info and it had "hp ink cartridge detected " and "genuine hp ink cartridge"
This must have been during the chip shortage, where HP published a guide for how to disable this because they couldn't get enough chips to make their ink cartridges work correctly with their printers. The whole deal is scummy, and you did the right thing getting rid of that garbage printer.
Thank goodness it’s back. Jim Keller interview is hype 🎉
I don't have notifications on for a single one of the creators that I follow. I subscribed, when I'm ready to watch TH-cam, I go to my subscriptions tab, I had the videos from the creators that I follow that I think I want to watch to my watch list, and then watch or listen to them as I'm able to.
On the constant vibrations destroying stuff... Once had a student come to me with a broken computer.... Almost all the screws were missing, due to vibrations from his bus trips to school... Replaced all the screws and the laptop started working again 🙈
“It might look weird but once you grip it it’ll be fine” - Luke 2024
33:10 this is a really good point, actually; one of the things i try to remember is the idea that "even Rome had to fall", and i try to apply it to everything. it helps a lot when things feel bad. when the very earth under our feet isn't static, then how can we possibly expect we as people to be?
i dunno, just one of those things that feels like a good life lesson, yk?
If you think about time as being infinite (which I'm not sure it actually is... pretty existential question: would existence continue on after our universe experiences heat death?) then humanity will rise and fall, along with an infinite number of civilizations, infinitely many times.
Thank you LTT for getting Jim on, this was one of the best WAN show segments in recent times. Really looking forward to something like this again if and when the time comes.
This is probably the best episode in a long long time. Checking out the careers page of Jim's companies was fascinating to see what stage they're at and what they think they're upcoming challenges are too. More of this please.
_Voiced as David Attenborough_
The year, is 2024, and we have stumbled upon a scene one could readily encounter in western Canadian urban wildlife nearing the weekend. Two examples of what we would call "podcasters". These creatures, though timid in some circumstances, have evolved to be quite comfortable and confident when seated in front of a microphone. Yet, something seems different here. If we look carefully, we can see the left specimen, understood to be named Linus, being unusually animated. This happens only very infrequently, but we seem to have been fortunate today to see the Linus specimen starstruck! Isn't it magnificent!
😀
10/10
@estebanrodriguez9680 thanks! 😁
The Jim Keller interview is incredible
1:42:33 Mining your property with traps or literal landmines is illegal, no way turrets are legal. Liability/insurance nightmare
Re: "How far away are we from true self-driving?"
Let me rephrase the question like this: Have you ever driven in a place you don't know, and you looked at the mess of old and new lines painted on the road, and places where the lines didn't exist (or don't exist anymore), and wondered, "where the heck are the lanes?!" or even "ARE there any lanes?" and "is this a two-way or one-way street?"
If YOU can't figure that out (and end up just YOLOing it with your best guess and a glance to see if the Po-Po are nearby), how do you think a computer is going to do it?
I listened to a podcast recently where the hosts posited that maybe we're thinking about this the wrong way. Rather than trying to get computers to conform to our ridiculous roads, why don't we just build roads that are designed for computers? Yes, it's going to take a generation or more to roll that out. And, well, that's probably for the best.
The problem is that theoretically roads are already designed in such a way that they are basically as simple as they could be for self driving cars to understand. The biggest problem are small roads in god knows where or in run down parts, and it's not like it's intentional for those roads to be bad, it's just that they aren't invested in that much. What you're asking for is basically just fund road construction a fuckton more.
@@redex68 Yes and no. You're right that road construction has largely been driven by minimal cost, but there are lots of areas where the roads just kinda do whatever they had time, space, and money to do. "People will figure it out." Or, think of construction or detours, where you follow lanes that diverge from what the road usually intends for you to do.
That kind of stuff would have to be done with a different mindset. Not "what will a human driver be able to comprehend," but "what would a limited vision and compute system understand?" It's a tighter tolerance for recognizable lane markings, flow, and deference to obstacles. Maybe it includes more data sources, like short-range wireless data transmission that tells a car "there's a rail crossing ahead, and the track is currently unused," or "entering populated school zone" -- that sort of thing.
It doesn't necessarily have to _cost_ more, it just has to adhere to much stricter design guidelines. Honestly, it wouldn't be the worst thing even for manual piloting, because I have been through some real "WTF am I supposed to do here?" situations recently, and would've appreciated more obvious intent.
Why isn't Jim Keller in the title of this video?
haha "hi tall, short and in between"
love that one...
That interview felt like it was less than 20 minutes, I had to check after you started talking about what it was expected to be. All that insight delivered in such a compelling way full of anecdotes. What a guy.
On the topic of ad blocking, a while ago (around the time they started cracking down on ad blockers) I disabled all my ad blockers for youtube, got a ton of ads, then the screen of you need to disable your ad blockers to watch this content came on.
A few months before that I had ad blockers disabled on youtube but got an hour long ad that was unskippable when trying to watch a music video. That's when I enabled ad blockers on youtube. I've had them enabled ever since, minus that small break in time above.
I will back out and re click until either i see an ad I’m okay with(maybe a 5sec to skip or a non offensive ad) or if they give to many unskippables, I’ll keep canning the vid until there’s no ad at all. Matter of principle once they’ve tried to shove 5+ ads down my throat.
if google bans adblockers as extensions, their google chrome user % will go down lol
It's been news for a year. They're gonna get away with it.
Every use of chrome is an active statement against free speech.
They probably have an idea of how many people are actually going to switch and judged that the revenue is worth the browser market share loss. If people didn't switch to Mozilla already after the incognito controversy there probably won't be many more users leaving after the adblocker restrictions.
Mozilla is really the only other browser than isn't chromium, and based on the WAN show a few weeks/months back, their market share is still horrifically low.
Forsake the Chrome, embrace the Firefox/LibreWolf en masse. Hopefully.
I love what Jim Keller says in the beginning. This is right up my alley as a fresh full time employee at a major chip manufacturing company, looking forward to get into a masters degree in Advanced embedded systems, where we study risc-v and arm. Future is exciting!!
I don't click notifications because I have a life outside of LTT. I have responsibilities to take care of such that I don't need to be told the second a new video comes out so I can be the first to watch it. I will watch them eventually on my own time. THAT, I imagine, is why most people don't subscribe. Because they have a life, and they don't need more notifications on their phone than the hundreds that they're already bombarded with on a daily basis.
I love Jim Keller's sense of humour. He was also very interesting to listen to. Definitely keen to see him on the show again if he comes back. I'm also one of those "weirdos" that watches almost every 4+ hour show in one go LOL.😂
Who wants a tee-shirt that says “There’s a book about that. It’s not that hard”?
I have unsubscribed from channels that started only uploading the premier episode to TH-cam, and required subscribing to another service/site for the rest of the series. It is absolutely true that I have a limited number of sites I visit. I don't think it's as high as 5, though.
I don't unsubscribe unless the video I watched is To Be Continued on another platform.
Yea im instantly f ,ou on that
@@curly_ why? Ita not an f u, its a free taste of what they have to offer.
Leech.
@@Shapershift Nope. I pay for content. I don't pay for baited fishhooks.
"We live in a world of infinite possibility. Most of them are bad." - Jim Keller. That was one of the best interviews I've seen in a while and coming from Linus is moving a mountain. Good job dude.
The only way to get HP to stop doing the crap they do is to hit them with fines or lawsuits large enough that it becomes cheaper to stop doing the crap they do than to keep paying out the fines and lawsuits.
What I want to know is who is actually buying their printers and keeping their printer division in business...
1:11:12 the guest part is over and the WAN show starts
👑
Thank you so much
Thank you. That was really boring.
😭😭😭@@hansverhaegen8406
You mean the exceptional part is over and we're back to just being OK.
I don't think SSD sales are crashing. Sales might slow, but the SSDs are getting faster and faster and games are going to utilize that and people are going to have to upgrade their SSDs as a result. 4 years ago I bought one of the fastest m.2 SSDs on the market and this year I upgraded to a SSD that is twice as fast. Already on the horizon I see SSD's that 2x that speed again. Maybe we'll reach a point where SSDs are fast enough, but I thought we reached that in early 2020 and I was wrong.
LMAO. When did the ps5 and xbox come out? Games are clearly prioritizing consoles, so who the FUCK do you think NEEDS a gen 6 SSD for gaming?! These things are in between gen 3x4 and 4x4. gen 5 ia too fast for these. Did you think about what you said AT ALL before you said it???
I am kinda excited for my next upgrade, I’m running off of HDDs and my whole system is from 2012-ish. The difference will be great
Gaming/OS wise, we're already at the point where SSD speeds don't really matter, at least until game devs wake up to direct storage being a thing on PC but even then it'll be a decade+ before the majority of games that are actually played are using it.
@@StretchDattass Even if Direct Storage is reserved for a few games everyone who wants to play those will have to upgrade.
Bro that Jim Keller segment made me with I had gone into chip design. That was fascinating.
Idk where the form is for the movies with terrible IT scenes. But the "time-travel backpack" form "See you yesterday" had me crying laughing 😂
If they really wanted to make atlas frightening, they could say that that video had to be slowed down 5x in order to see clearly the movement.
What an incredible interview. I'm gobsmacked. This has been exhilarating, terrifying, and eye-opening all in equal measure. Also hugely entertaining.
Please have him on again, maybe let him go into more detail. He seems like a guy who has a lot to say and enjoys saying it, and boy did I ever enjoy listening.
Operative word: 'let' Linus needs practice ❤
Doc Martens has not qualitied themselves into going out of business. In fact, they are famous for abandoning their original quality and resiliency by moving production from the UK to Vietnam. It isn't that Vietnam couldn't manufacture the same quality, it is that they used the move to Vietnam with a degradation in material quality and manufacturing short cuts. In addition, they make the fact that their newer boots are inferior, by offering an exclusive, high cost version of their product line that is made in the company's original factory, with the original materials. Finally, they are one of the only boots that do not allow for resoling. Combining that with their extremely soft sole, which is quick to wear down, you end up having to throwing them out pretty quickly, if you are a daily driver, which I have been for over 40 years.
If anyone says that they have gotten their Docs resoled, you are talking to a person that is wearing a pair of boots with strange, non-Docs, soles, because Doc Marten doesn't sell soles for shoe repair shops to do resoling with the iconic Doc Marten's soles and stitching.
Re: AI, and "disruption has happened before" -- My counter to this argument is, "not at this rate." And that's the fundamental problem here.
It was alarming to factories of seamstresses when the loom was invented. It was alarming to farmers when the tractor was invented. But it didn't threaten anyone else, and it was going to take time to roll out, and to see it branch off into similar jobs and trades.
In my lifetime, we've gone from turning on a computer and getting a prompt like "?: " where you typed BASIC programs in line by line, if you wanted the computer to do anything at all -- to having a device on your wrist you can speak to in English, and have it recite the German equivalent. That's wild progress in such a short time. But AI is going to make that look a thousand years of incremental evolution.
I worry much more about how quickly technology changes compared to society, rather than the actual capabilities of the tech. The net effect of innovative technology is usually positive over a long arc. That's disruption in a cool way. But this is going to be _a lot_ of change in a _very_ short time. That's disruption in the "not cool" way, because we won't have had time to figure out how to integrate that change into our culture and economic systems, and the tech companies sure as heck aren't going to wait until we're mature and ready for it.
I am blocking ads on youtube because A. I am getting spammed with ads and B. 50% ads shown in my region are scams. Serv me ads that are not garbage in an acceptable rate. Ads on YT are worse then watching primetime TV 20 years ago.
That's the price. If you don't like ads, there's an alternative (at least in most countries).
I am getting shitload of woman skin care, and other shit adds.
I am not a woman, nor have gf. So why? Just why?!
And you're gettings tons of ads anyway through sponsored segments.
I'll pay for youtube premium the day TH-cam forbid creators from incorporating ads/sponsors in their videos.
@@triggermovies Then you're not getting the content anyway unless the cost of premium goes up. It costs what it costs.
One of my favorite, if not the favorite wan show ever. As verification engineer it was cool to see jim. I wish they hired junior verification engineers in India without 5 years of experience.
My first thought was if it was games QA sure. They will pick anyone with a heartbeat and opposing thumbs.
Hang in there. all the best
@@tanmaypanadi1414 that's the funny thing about it. I was working in uk for a year & moved back to India cuz theres a global shortage of verification engineers as they are QA before chips are made. But all companies are "get 5 years of experience" for junior role. Plus no courtesy to even reply back after an interview.
Can you please put Jim’s name in the title for search-ability? Such a killer episode guys
23:22 and that is why it's important to know why something is a bad/good idea.
RAID controllers come to mind. Nowadays for most setups you should not use a hardware RAID controller because you have enough CPU in the storage system anyways and backup power supply. So the former advantages of RAID controllers are either redundant (securing the state on power failure) or completely obsolete (CPU use in RAID 0/1/5) in many cases. That just leaves you with the disadvantages:
Cost and compatibility.
We back baby
That headline from MKBHD about the Humane AI Pin was no engagement bait at all!
With a Tippman Flatline barrel. You can hit 100ft accurately.
I had a dye boomstick for my auto cocker that gave me a 50 ft accuracy increase from the og barrel. Then again I had a 12in & a 16in. For indoor or outdoor.
Still a very bad idea.
Awesome to have Jim on, really enjoyed that segment and 100% think you guys should consider having some more guest in the industry if others are interested in speaking to us more “dialled in” tech inclined audience members lol
3:09:30 If buying is not owning, Piracy is not theft.
For how can one steal it if ownership was off the table anyway?
Running away without paying your barber for a haircut is still theft. I know people love this slogan to justify piracy but come on. And I support sailing the seas in some cases.
@@RickR69 it depends, if it is basically a service like a haircut then not paying is theft, at worse fraud.
But games and movies and shows, you can buy it, but the publisher or “service provider” can sudden yank it out of your library and say “no, mine”. You already paid for a product and not a service. They shouldn't have the rights to suddenly yank it, just because something in the product rely on their server stack/ API.
For example, GTA 3D gen games the original has expired songs within it, the enhanced “new” version took it out but replace it but modders put it back in.
@@PrograError No, you've stolen their time that it took for them to cut your hair and left without payment. Theft.
@@RickR69 No, because you no longer have a haircut. You can't match an immediate service with the ownership of an item.
Change the argument from a barber to a chair salesman and the defense you're trying to build suddenly goes out of the window.
And just in case, I LIKE paying for games, movies, series and music I enjoy because I understand that making those cost money and people (like me) need to eat and have a life, but when companies abuse the consumers so openly we can't keep defending them.
My issue with TH-cams stance on adBlockers is this...if im watching ads to support the creator that I enjoy watching and TH-cam DEMONITIZES my favorite creator channels for making the content I enjoy, but still show ads on their videos, why shouldn't I block the ads?
Because you're still getting to watch a video. It coats money to deliver the content regardless of whether or not the uploader gets a cut.
The 98 custom flatline (curved barrel) is quite long in paintball standards. However, the tiberius 8 pistol has about a 4 inch barrel and is highly accurate to about 30-50ft in level flight. Having it mounted to a roof would in fact help the range. However that relies on quality paintballs that have been stored in good conditions. The inside of that camera for potential years will not match that description.
The interview was by far the best hour of WAN show ever. I don’t think interviews will always be that great but this was fantastic.
2:31:28 what was cut or edited out here?
I came to the comment section for answers, I noticed it as well.
Loved the longer video! Doesn't matter the length if its good content just have to keep it interesting throughout. Keep up the amazing work and can't wait for the amazon show!
Wow, Jim was a fantastically interesting guy! Thanks for having him on!
I work with procedural generation, which is a bit more work but is functionaly the same as using ai.
I can tell you, it is /not/ interesting. The results dont have anything to say and while rarely some feature stands out as amazing, generaly its all super simular.
Which is fine for background detailing, for filling the horizon or the gray space between.
But it worrys me people think you can get finished results out of it, you cant, you never will be able to.
Shouldn't have dissed the platform, I guess
I liked PDAs. I would rather PDA than pocket phone. My android is ALWAYS turning itself on and doing things. Pocket dialing, pocket texting, heating my nethers with the camera on, even though I turned it OFF before I slid it in my pocket. I'd much rather have a PDA which I choose the software stack. And I can have a full sized fold up keyboard, that works. So I can productivity directly, versus being a manager to direct others to do things I cannot do on the device that tells others what to do.
Thank heavens the Wan show is back!!!! ❤
So Keller though wan show viewers were normies?
Well then we need more in-depth version of the interview!
I've tried to convince my friends to buy some LTT merch. Unfortunately it's too expensive for them, especially to get it to Australia.
I love the merch though, I've made a few orders.
This is nuts man lol
The "why risc-v" question and linus asking if it's x86 out of steam or if risc's engine is just that much better, and just how quickly Keller says neither and explains it. Damn.
I'd say that it's an inherent aspect of "engagement baiting" titles that people will engage by taking the title at face value. It's a balancing act to engage users without misleading them about the contents of the review.
Heck, even if people do watch it, the title sets the lens they filter the video through. And then don't assume everyone listens to all of it or pays close attention.
The title will always be seen as the creator's summary of the video. You have to deal with that.
Doc Martens quality?? They fall apart just standing on the shoe stand.
not old ones
@@qwertpoiuy430that's the problem the new ones are so bad people don't want them and when the old ones were so good people can easily see the difference
But have you seen the fashion shows
Solovair.
Jim Keller : You guys don't really bring guests on the wan show right?
Linus: Correct we don't normally do that, but if you want to be on the show just tell us when, WE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
sorry Jim but no one within computing would ever tell you no if you wanted to do any form of collaberation on a video podcast or anything similar.
Great interview! Packed full of great information.
I would watch this show every day with guests like this my god this was an amazing interview
Anyone know if the timestamp guy is ok?
Timestamp guy I need your guidance! I don’t know what to do!
Yes! When things slow down usually means something is being revamped. Which is always a lets see moment.
Lukes eve-online reference going straight over linus's head, lol
Why does the audio sound bad with those fancy mics?
Does it?
@@marcellkovacs5452yes, it does. Linus is muffled because someone’s tried to make his voice sound deeper and lukes has some really heavy filtering going on. They would get better quality from some high end usb mics and cut the amateur sound engineering going on.
@@marcellkovacs5452 To me it sounds like some kind of noise filter that's set way too aggressively. The way the speech cuts off and sounds abrasive.
Timestamp guy has abandoned us ohhh the horror!!! 😭
Just use AI instead of whining
@@Applelouciousshush
I know I already commented, but Jim was an amazing person to interview, and his insights were extremely interesting. Thank you for bringing him on, I learned a ton and had some full LOL moments!
This interview was amazing, thank you.
1:09:06 Had no idea who he was. I usually hate guests on podcasts. Usually kind of boring. I was basically on the edge of my seat the whole interview.
watch the tech tech potato interview with Jim Keller. He has been doing smaller videos from all the companies that he has been advising as a consultant.
Ill be interested to see what the retention stats are for the interview part of this video, i would assume that many skipped it bc of the monotone voice regardless of whether what was said was interesting, perhaps im wrong though and loads of people listened to it but i dont think guests really work well on the wan show, especially bc most people tune in to hear what linus and luke think, not what their idols think.
I think the WAN show Yt audience might have dropped off after the interview or not even clicked the wan show loking at the current title.
But the regular audience is eclectic like that and bringing engineers and people who create interesting stuff and letting the floatplane guys ask them questions is probably the main focus for LTT.
I agree, while knowledgeable the guy is not a good speaker
Possibly. On the other hand, I found it immensely interesting even though some of it went over my head, because it's like the godfather of a lot of influential tech saying all the quiet parts out loud.
@@SecretSauceyjuice ye I agree
ATX12VO is a really dumb idea. I have two reasons:
1) It thoughtlessly offloads the burden of most of the DC-DC conversion (practically nothing actually runs at 12V on a modern PC, except the fans) to the motherboard, which is just not helpful. It's already one of, if not THE most expensive components in an average (non-gaming) PC, often optimizing for space, and densely packed with traces to connect the 128-bits of this to that, or six impedance-matched, high-speed differential lanes from one side of the board to the other. So we're going to choose THAT as the PCB we're going to litter with large passive components (like inductors and capacitors), switching transistors that need to dump heat into large ground planes, and the chonky connectors for anything that needs power? Brillant! Or, I dunno, just use the box we've already set aside for the specific purpose of creating various voltage rails at high current, which also has access to an exhaust fan.
2) 12V is too high to directly run most logic components, so we have to do DC-DC conversion at point-of-load. And given the increasing power demands of CPUs, GPUs, and RAM, 12V is simultaneously too low to deliver lots of wattage without requiring very large, cumbersome connectors capable of carrying dozens of amps. It's a middle ground that is quickly becoming insufficient. This low-voltage at high-current solution creates two further problems:
First, you need either LARGE connectors (think battery connectors on UPSes), or lots of parallel connectors to share the load -- like the existing PCIe and 8-pin CPU connectors -- which are both barely enough now, and in some cases, already not enough.
The second problem is that you need A LOT of current capacity at the PSU, which requires either A) one MASSIVE 12V rail; or B) a few merely large 12V rails to feed the CPU and GPU and "everything else" separately. This yields yet another tradeoff:
The problem with A (single huge rail) is that it's difficult to do it safely. Specifically, from an electrical standpoint, what's the difference between a short circuit and a heavily loaded rail? Answer: Not much. So now you have to ensure that all the load-side cabling can handle the current it would take to trip the over-current protection, whether or not that connector typically needs anywhere near that much current, just so you don't start a fire if that wire gets shorted to ground.
The problem with B (multiple 12V rails) is that you now have to balance these rails according to need. E.g., some people are going to want to run a 32-core CPU, others are going to want a ray-tracing GPU, and others might be powering a bank of spinning hard drives for bulk storage. You can't just make ALL the rails big enough for anything, because then it costs a fortune, so you have to guess how much current is enough on each one, without overbuilding or underbuilding. You're never going to please everyone. So then you end up with "SMP" variants, and "graphics" variants, and "NAS" variants of essentially the same supply.
The solution to all of this would be something like an ATX48VO standard. At that point, you are carrying 4x voltage, so you would only need 1/4 the current of a 12V supply of the same total power. That means MUCH thinner cabling, much smaller connectors, and way more reasonable over-current trip points. This is why PoE (powering things like desktop phones and wireless access points from an Ethernet switch) uses 48-52VDC -- you are trying to pump like 5 to 50W over 22-gauge wires at up to 100 meters. 12V would never work.
And it's true nothing uses 48V in a PC, but even 12VO would be a new standard that requires lots of changes. If you're going to change everything, you might as well do it with something that is better suited to future growth. It's not much harder to build a DC-DC with 48V input than 12V -- and in some cases (high-current loads), often easier.
I'm not saying existing ATX is perfect, but ATX12VO is short-sighted and just dumb. It needs to fail. It's only a reasonable solution for a narrow niche of low-power systems that have already found success with things like PicoATX adapters, or embedded design that uses an external 12VDC power brick and on-board regulation for everything.
I still have a right side door "upside-down" case, Silverstone FT02. I bet I've been using it over a decade now and I still haven't found a good replacement. Having a PC on my right instead of left would really mess with my last couple desk setups. The only drag has started to be finding GPU's with the cooler oriented the correct way for them to hang vertically and still cool correctly.
I'm blasted by this interview. It's a shame Linus got a little anxious, interrupting Jim quite a few times. I feel like I could hear him for hours. I really hope this endeavour is successful.
Think it’s more the delay in the video call, see a similar issue when either Linus or Luke has to call in via video call
Was just a delay in the video call. My job is to keep things moving and it was hard to tell when he was out of gas sometimes on a topic because he would sound like it but then be totally prepared to keep going for another 2-5 mins lol - LS
Timestamps needed asap
start making em
Be the timestamper you want to see in the world
Why do u need timestamps? Just watch the while thing lmao
@@Eriku69 lolno
Theres no AI for that?