As a muslim i uses to blieve all of this blindly and disnt give it a second thought. Now as an ex muslims i see clearly, Allah is a deciever. He made another man suffer for nothing, and decieved millions and billions of people for hundreds and thousands of years. Obviously the true Jesus died for our sins so we get saved by gods love. Thats a much more beautiful message and faith
Hallelujah!!! 🙌🕊️✝️ Christ is the Truth our soul yearns for. We were created to recieve Him by faith through grace! Maybe the Lord Jesus bless you mightily!
As a revert to Islam, I felt that you were never a muslim. If I ask you a basic question, you would never be able to answer it directly. Because, if Jesus is the God and and author of the same bible that you read and base your religion upon, then you are criticizing him (Jesus) for what He did in the OLD TESTAMENT and even in the NEW TESTAMENT as well and without even knowing it. Please your bible before you post lies upon lies, because without your lies basically, christianity will die. It helps Islam grow even more. 😂
That’s the reason Islam is a false religion, it takes away the divinity and sacrifice of Jesus Christ which is supposed to be the ultimate act of selflessness and love. Jesus said that there is no greater love than that of a person who lays down their life for their friends, and that’s exactly what he did. Taking away that sacrifice takes away his righteousness, which is why Islam deceives people from the truth by claiming it never happened.
You are pathetic its you who choose to worship a man for your own benefit,you have been deceived by yourself and the devil,It's its the Christians to choose to believe this for their own benefit,Allah says appeared so to them,its you man worshippers who choose to believe as such,believe what you like but dont b so insolent,Christians can have manners can't they
No matter who it is saying otherwise,the Islamic narrative is jesus did not die,anyone who believes otherwise is not muslim,regardless of what they call themselves
This just blew my mind. I was convinced the common Muslim idea of substitution was the plain meaning of Sura 4:157! Which goes to show that a cursory natural reading can be misleading. Thank you for sharing!
Me as a Muslim find Sheikh Iran's view most logical. This is absolutely correct. Substitution is no where mentioned in Quran. Even in Sahih hadith you'll never find. All of these years many profound muslim scholars even now are unaware of this matter. May Allah the Almighty guide them to correct path.
I dont know if this guy is still alive or dead. If he is dead by now he would have known the truth in the hell fire. Or else plz someone tell him that Jesus is one true living God. He has to die for the sake of our sins. Before Jesus came to this earth, people use to give sacrifices for their sins to be forgiven. But God himself came into this world as a son of God and took all the sins of this world on him and paid the price. Thru him with him our sins are forgiven. Now nobody has to offer any sacrifices anymore. It didnt stop there. But on 3rd day he resurrected and is alive. Nobody who is dead till now resurrected but only Lord Jesus christ did. He is our God. He is our saviour. JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
David I have watched many of your vids over a number of years. I have every respect for your formidable knowledge of religions. We are all entitled to our own beliefs of course, as long as they are not harmful to others. I have spent 30 years working in the Space industry and I am inclined to believe that many thousands of years ago at the time of the Winter Solstice, humans who could see the sun and the horizon may well have been concerned that the sun went down for 3 days and then on the Third Day the Sun arose again or should I say the SON arose again. Then as now the brightest star in the sky was Sirius.. The three stars in Orion’s Belt sometimes called The THREE KINGS , ALWAYS pointed in the direction of Sirius. They still do to this day. The Three Kings always follow the STAR (of Bethlehem?). A ritual older than time itself. !
It actually is true they didn't kill Jesus . But it is true he was crucified. Jesus lay down his own life by choice. He said himself, I can lay down my life and I can take it up again. No man can take it from me.
No, it wasn't his choice. He cried to god or to himself to take away the death thatbis drawing near, but he never gave himself a chance, he denied his own prayer and so he died according to christians and he ascended to heaven or to himself just to sit on his own right hand! 😂
I'm a muslim and this ia actually the narrative that i was taught and the one that makes the most sense. The quran never mentions substitution the verse says: "and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him." Just a point i want to make clear to non-Arabic speaking christians. Allah isn't some name for a god its a translation of the word "God" in Arabic as evidenced by the Arabic bible using the word "Allah" as well to name god. Some other scholars argue that the substituted individual in place of the christ was judah iscariot as a punishment for betraying jesus but thats not backed by any evidence.
@@Verge63 Yes he went and hanged himself after learning that jesus was to be crucified. That's why i said it wasn't backed by any evidence just mere speculation
“When the literal word of a deity requires repeated, long-winded explanations from his human followers simply to prevent it being interpreted TO MEAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS, it doesn’t make a great case for divine authorship. If anything can mean anything, the whole thing becomes meaningless.” Richard Dawkins
There are intepretations by many. But the Quran clearly mentions that they did not crucify him and they did not kill him but it was made to seem so. I think Sheikh Amran is wrong im his understanding. The demise of Judas is mentioned in two places in the gospel and contradicts each other. And when the crucified one cried : Eli Eli lema sabachani. My God My God why have you forsaken me. It was a clear indication that it was not Jesus on the cross. The person was certain he had been forsaken. There is a big question mark there.
@@verenatuna9010 He also said "it is finished", "Father into your hand I commit my Spirit", "I am thirsty", "Son behold thy mother, mother behold thy Son".. the death of Jesus is consistent with Biblical prophecy, if He did not die his purpose of coming into the world is in vain.
@@chibuzman What muslims -and many Christians - aren't aware of, is, that Jesus was often quoting the Psalms of David. Eg. when he said "ye are gods" in reply to the Pharisees, he was quoting Ps 82,6, and if you don't have this in mind, you can easily misinterpret these quotings. In this case, Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 and I think he did this to make it clear, that it's him, whom his forefather king David had prophesied. In Psalm 22 it is also written: 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue is cleaving to my jaws ("I'm thursty") ; and you have brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me : the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me they PIERCED MY HANDS and my FEET. 18. They PART my GARMENTS among them, and CAST LOTS upon my VESTURE. These and many more statements of David from Psalm 22 came true at the very day of Jesus' cruzification. Yes, it was prophesied that the Messiah would have to die and also, that he would be delivered from the "dust of death" and rise again. It is fulfilled...
Its the very narrative all Muslims been saying for years thats ur saying is God is unjust for... yall say someone else took the place of Jesus now thats unjust by Allah
Jesus died in flesh as he was a man but He is also God (the word of God who became flesh) and God cant die --bcoz God is life itself...and noone can kill God. Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way and the life.." so you can read that Jesus said He is the life.
There are other conjectures also. By the way, disgusing someone to be the Messiah and making him die on the cross instead of him doesn't proof that that person was an innocent one. It could be rather that that person was a sinful person and deserved death whatsoever. From Christians narratives we also read that after bringing Jesus down from the cross he was bleeding and his wounds were nursed. So how would that be possible when a dead person does not bleed? What if Jesus was in a comma and later on woke up? What if someone put another person on the cross so that when the passover was finished people coming there did not perceive that Jesus' body was removed?
Because it was unlawful to leave a dead body on the tree on Sabbath It had to be removed from the tree before night or any one touching it would be unclean Read it again
Lol David your misunderstanding of this verse has been rebuted many times. You just hate it because you have noone to take the blame for your sins. If you are telling me another man died for someone's sins then it means your God isn't just. By the way did God die on the cross or the son of God?😂😂😂
As a muslim i uses to blieve all of this blindly and disnt give it a second thought. Now as an ex muslims i see clearly, Allah is a deciever. He made another man suffer for nothing, and decieved millions and billions of people for hundreds and thousands of years. Obviously the true Jesus died for our sins so we get saved by gods love. Thats a much more beautiful message and faith
Hallelujah!!! 🙌🕊️✝️ Christ is the Truth our soul yearns for. We were created to recieve Him by faith through grace! Maybe the Lord Jesus bless you mightily!
As a revert to Islam, I felt that you were never a muslim. If I ask you a basic question, you would never be able to answer it directly. Because, if Jesus is the God and and author of the same bible that you read and base your religion upon, then you are criticizing him (Jesus) for what He did in the OLD TESTAMENT and even in the NEW TESTAMENT as well and without even knowing it.
Please your bible before you post lies upon lies, because without your lies basically, christianity will die. It helps Islam grow even more. 😂
That’s the reason Islam is a false religion, it takes away the divinity and sacrifice of Jesus Christ which is supposed to be the ultimate act of selflessness and love. Jesus said that there is no greater love than that of a person who lays down their life for their friends, and that’s exactly what he did. Taking away that sacrifice takes away his righteousness, which is why Islam deceives people from the truth by claiming it never happened.
You are pathetic its you who choose to worship a man for your own benefit,you have been deceived by yourself and the devil,It's its the Christians to choose to believe this for their own benefit,Allah says appeared so to them,its you man worshippers who choose to believe as such,believe what you like but dont b so insolent,Christians can have manners can't they
No matter who it is saying otherwise,the Islamic narrative is jesus did not die,anyone who believes otherwise is not muslim,regardless of what they call themselves
This just blew my mind. I was convinced the common Muslim idea of substitution was the plain meaning of Sura 4:157! Which goes to show that a cursory natural reading can be misleading. Thank you for sharing!
Me as a Muslim find Sheikh Iran's view most logical. This is absolutely correct. Substitution is no where mentioned in Quran. Even in Sahih hadith you'll never find. All of these years many profound muslim scholars even now are unaware of this matter. May Allah the Almighty guide them to correct path.
Me as a Christian believe what the talmud says that jesus is boiling in his excrements in hell.
That's because allah is the fallen angel - The greatest deceiver of all ..the father of all lies!!
Jesus is alive
Jesus said you can kill the body but not the Spirit. God is Spirit so they cannot kill Jesus because His Spirit go to His Father.
Great interpretation and spot on analysis
I dont know if this guy is still alive or dead. If he is dead by now he would have known the truth in the hell fire. Or else plz someone tell him that Jesus is one true living God. He has to die for the sake of our sins. Before Jesus came to this earth, people use to give sacrifices for their sins to be forgiven. But God himself came into this world as a son of God and took all the sins of this world on him and paid the price. Thru him with him our sins are forgiven. Now nobody has to offer any sacrifices anymore. It didnt stop there. But on 3rd day he resurrected and is alive. Nobody who is dead till now resurrected but only Lord Jesus christ did. He is our God. He is our saviour.
JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
David I have watched many of your vids over a number of years. I have every respect for your formidable knowledge of religions.
We are all entitled to our own beliefs of course, as long as they are not harmful to others. I have spent 30 years working in the Space industry and I am inclined to believe that many thousands of years ago at the time of the Winter Solstice, humans who could see the sun and the horizon may well have been concerned that the sun went down for 3 days and then on the Third Day the Sun arose again or should I say the SON arose again. Then as now the brightest star in the sky was Sirius.. The three stars in Orion’s Belt sometimes called The THREE KINGS , ALWAYS pointed in the direction of Sirius. They still do to this day. The Three Kings always follow the STAR (of Bethlehem?). A ritual older than time itself. !
thaks for sharing. just heard of this.👍
It actually is true they didn't kill Jesus . But it is true he was crucified. Jesus lay down his own life by choice. He said himself, I can lay down my life and I can take it up again. No man can take it from me.
No, it wasn't his choice. He cried to god or to himself to take away the death thatbis drawing near, but he never gave himself a chance, he denied his own prayer and so he died according to christians and he ascended to heaven or to himself just to sit on his own right hand! 😂
Who died on the cross? Son, God or the holy spirit?
I'm a muslim and this ia actually the narrative that i was taught and the one that makes the most sense.
The quran never mentions substitution the verse says:
"and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him."
Just a point i want to make clear to non-Arabic speaking christians.
Allah isn't some name for a god its a translation of the word "God" in Arabic as evidenced by the Arabic bible using the word "Allah" as well to name god.
Some other scholars argue that the substituted individual in place of the christ was judah iscariot as a punishment for betraying jesus but thats not backed by any evidence.
By the time Jesus was crucified, Judas had already been dead.
@@Verge63 Yes he went and hanged himself after learning that jesus was to be crucified.
That's why i said it wasn't backed by any evidence just mere speculation
If ignorance is bliss, the imam must be ecstatic!
“When the literal word of a deity requires repeated, long-winded explanations from his human followers simply to prevent it being interpreted TO MEAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS, it doesn’t make a great case for divine authorship. If anything can mean anything, the whole thing becomes meaningless.”
Richard Dawkins
lol this is the defintion of taking things out of context
He was actually killed, He overcame death
Only body die but not Jesus Christ because God is Spirit and human cannot kill the Spirit.
Jesus conquered the Spiritual world death Hell and the grave ✝️
The art of distorting words from their sense, the trait of xian preachers.
There are intepretations by many.
But the Quran clearly mentions that they did not crucify him and they did not kill him but it was made to seem so.
I think Sheikh Amran is wrong im his understanding.
The demise of Judas is mentioned in two places in the gospel and contradicts each other. And when the crucified one cried :
Eli Eli lema sabachani.
My God My God why have you forsaken me. It was a clear indication that it was not Jesus on the cross. The person was certain he had been forsaken.
There is a big question mark there.
was what you quoted only what he said on the cross?
@@chibuzman yes.
He said these words on the cross.
@@verenatuna9010 He also said "it is finished", "Father into your hand I commit my Spirit", "I am thirsty", "Son behold thy mother, mother behold thy Son".. the death of Jesus is consistent with Biblical prophecy, if He did not die his purpose of coming into the world is in vain.
@@chibuzman l agree!
@@chibuzman What muslims -and many Christians - aren't aware of, is, that Jesus was often quoting the Psalms of David.
Eg. when he said "ye are gods" in reply to the Pharisees, he was quoting Ps 82,6, and if you don't have this in mind, you can easily misinterpret these quotings.
In this case, Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 and I think he did this to make it clear, that it's him, whom his forefather king David had prophesied.
In Psalm 22 it is also written:
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue is cleaving to my jaws ("I'm thursty") ; and you have brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me : the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me they PIERCED MY HANDS and my FEET.
18. They PART my GARMENTS among them, and CAST LOTS upon my VESTURE.
These and many more statements of David from Psalm 22 came true at the very day of Jesus' cruzification.
Yes, it was prophesied that the Messiah would have to die and also, that he would be delivered from the "dust of death" and rise again.
It is fulfilled...
Its the very narrative all Muslims been saying for years thats ur saying is God is unjust for... yall say someone else took the place of Jesus now thats unjust by Allah
Jesus died in flesh as he was a man but He is also God (the word of God who became flesh) and God cant die --bcoz God is life itself...and noone can kill God. Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way and the life.." so you can read that Jesus said He is the life.
Oh maybe the person who was substituted was actually guilty of a crime that warranted crucifixion? Also a possibility...just saying...
There are other conjectures also. By the way, disgusing someone to be the Messiah and making him die on the cross instead of him doesn't proof that that person was an innocent one. It could be rather that that person was a sinful person and deserved death whatsoever. From Christians narratives we also read that after bringing Jesus down from the cross he was bleeding and his wounds were nursed. So how would that be possible when a dead person does not bleed? What if Jesus was in a comma and later on woke up? What if someone put another person on the cross so that when the passover was finished people coming there did not perceive that Jesus' body was removed?
Because it was unlawful to leave a dead body on the tree on Sabbath
It had to be removed from the tree before night or any one touching it would be unclean
Read it again
@@kevinschmidt5149 And about bleeding?
deceived I agree
There is only One indivisible God and many prophets 🤲
The Pre-incarnate Jesus was the Visible YHWH of the Old Testament who was Visible: it doesn't violate 1 Timothy 6: 15,16.
He's not a scholar
The cruci-fiction never happened. That we know!
Yup
Lol David your misunderstanding of this verse has been rebuted many times. You just hate it because you have noone to take the blame for your sins. If you are telling me another man died for someone's sins then it means your God isn't just. By the way did God die on the cross or the son of God?😂😂😂