WHO BENEFITS!? - Therapist Plays Disco Elysium: Part 15
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Seeing Brady's political awareness organically grow in real time is amazing. This game does a great job at showing the mechanisms of political struggle in practice instead of just lecturing you or giving you abstract ideological choices. "Who benefits?" is actually the most important question you can ask in politics.
Now if only chat would shut the fuck up for a moment and actually let him explore the game instead of backseating constantly.
I feel ancient watching streams with how annoyed I get at the constant distracting presence of the chat, wishing people would do "normal" letsplay videos instead. But this is the new normal I guess...
@@SorrySod Sometimes it works well (having moderators helps), but yeah, here chat is definitely too much of a distraction.
This episode in particular seems to have a couple troublemakers in chat getting really aggressive about taking some of the... more offensive dialogue options
Harry may have 24 voices in his head but Brady has a few hundreds, and half of them are all Half Light
@@QiaosterMy Half Light is getting really strong when I see the chat.
Least lost Disco Elysium player
My man saying he doesn't understand politics, then does a perfect analysis of the dynamics between the union, the corporation, the RCM and the people of Martinaise.
Brady did a 3% logic check irl.
It's less that he doesn't understand politics and more, I assume, that he doesn't like most political discourse being glorified sports teams with no room for introspection
@@BroudbrunMusicMerge probably scared of being cancelled
@@BroudbrunMusicMergeThis is exactly why I rarely if ever engage in political talk. People can't handle different viewpoints no matter how miniscule and it usually goes left lol
He understands it but he just doesn't have the wording for it.
@@shotguncrucifix Yeah, people reducing politics to "team sports" only get half the story. This is true only of the most superficial party politics fed by media and approved by the establishment. There are real conflicts of interest underneath all that and it's worth knowing some political theory to be able to articulate these dynamics more precisely and root them in a historical context.
The only downside of this series getting more popular is seeing more people in the chat who think they’re being sly and not spoiling things *absolutely* spoiling things because they just couldn’t help themselves being clever. Early chat even went along with calling Harry Raphael.
Chat is a bit annoyong sometimes, tbh.
Let the man be boring cop. Not every playthrough is the same, or explores every single option.
Yeah, not every playthrough has to be a communist who picks all of the silly options.
We weren't trying to stop him being a boring cop. We just thought it was really funny. At least I did
Harry: "Miss, I just want to let you know you inspired me turn things around. On paper I came to Martinaise to solve a crime, but in reality I really came here to destroy myself. I wanted to disappear - it would have been my greatest contribution to the world, I thought. I was ready for oblivion but you made me see that there was still hope. You're my savior and I will work tirelessly to make sure city, this world doesn't betray you. You deserve nothing less. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart."
Frittte Girl: "Ummmmm... OK, cool, I guess? I think? I wasn't really listening, sorry. What did you need again?"
"Sir, this is a Frittte."
I would assume that Jamais-Vu is the opposite of Deja-Vu.
Instead of having the feeling that you somehow know something you've never seen before, you feel that something that you ought to know intimately (in this case, the foundations of the very world Harry inhabits) is completely foreign to you.
Some people in chat need to cool off. It was pretty fun and memey at first but it slowly grew into backseating every single interaction you have in the game.
Happens to so many streamers I watch and it must honestly be so exhausting. Maybe Brady should get a mod for his stream that shuts down chatters who spoil fun moments or backseat
@@AlexanderHobbit Yeah that definitely would be useful. Or even just someone to let him know when people are just messing with him and to ignore it.
It was so frustrating seeing chatters respond to Brady's fantastic theory-crafting by just telling him if he was right or wrong.
Chat: "There is no wrong way to play the game."
Also Chat: "You are playing the game wrong."
Me: "Chat needs to develop some self awareness."
Also Me: "I am complaining in a TH-cam comment section. Maybe I too could do with some of that sweet self awareness."
Also Also Me: "...but chat IS super annoying."
0ddb0ddy is really really annoying in chat. I would have banned him after 5 minutes. Constantly spoiling, being rude to Brady and feeling superior cause he played the game 10 times. I just hope that he is not there the next time or some mod is going to do something against it.
Edit: Same goes for enfissions. Makes me angry how he spoils crucial story elements of the game and tells Brady wich dialogue options he has to make or go back to other options cause he missed something funny. This chat ruined the cool feeling this playthrough had. The community was so caring and let him explore on his own. Pleas please please do something about it on the next stream. I love this project to much
RIP Tommy, worst betrayal in the history of gaming 😔
Honestly though, I think you should get an idea of how you wanna act and embrace it, no matter what the chat says. Choose the options you want, ignore the ones you don't; don't be afraid to leave some dialogues un-chosen. The tagline for the game is "what kind of cop are you?" and you answer that as you play. The roleplaying trying to find the lady driver's lorry was good stuff!
Guess the chat reached that phase where it is better to stick a post it note over it and never read it again.
I feel like him being a therapist makes him go more insane
There is a stereotype among psychologists, that there's usually a good reason we're interested in this stuff -- because we have firsthand experience with how complex and difficult to navigate our minds can be.
Brady has fun tapping into his silly unhinged degenerate side. And on top of that, he also like role-playing. Unfortunately people take both way too seriously. Just let the man have some fun.
If you feel lost, don't worry. If you're accessing new dialogue, you're not lost.
The real mystery is who you are, what Martinaise is, and Mr Evrart Is Helping You Find Your Gun.
"You can't NOT be political!" - damn, this is the most dynamic and unexpected character development. Gripping stuff
One of my favorite parts of this playthrough is you doing things your way! A lot of people will want you to see X, do Y, but a lot of what the game does really well is bringing you to the places you're taking the initiative to explore on your own. Excited to see where the rest of Day 2 takes us in Martinaise!
Brady's outrage at the free pack of cigs on the ground and it immediately reminding him of/intensifying the eternal grudge from Tommy lying about the cig at the beginning of the game is fantastic story/character consistency.
I relate to what you said about being uncomfortable doing I guess “antisocial” things, like asking Sylvie out, even in a fictional setting. I find it hard to intentionally take evil routes in games for the same reason.
Also looking at the chat I get the idea that most people don’t really know what a spoiler is. I see the same behavior in the comments of reaction channels I watch. I’m gonna be charitable and guess they are just very excited
Yeah, spoilers are very hard to control in streams, unfortunately. You need some pretty harsh rules and mods willing to enforce them.
I feel like you look more unhinged as this play through goes along 😂
chat is unbelievably obnoxious
Agreed, they should just shut up about the game unless he's asking for something
45:23
Game: There are other options.
Brady: I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE!!!
BUT THE NARRATIVE
Its more fun when it hurts!
When the game is a roleplaying game but you don't want Brady to roleplay...
Guy made up his mind on bullying Tommy 10 minutes ago.
Hi Brady, I hope you continue this let's play. I noticed that chat has been bullying you intermittently, so I just want to say: I'm sort of your opposite in a lot of ways, in that I'm totally steeped in political inside-baseball and only just tentatively starting to understand myself in therapeutic terms, so this is serving as like the ultimate mirror-world brain-food for me. Keep it up
I just wanted to say, as a recovered alcoholic who related deeply to this game, your series is amazing. When I first started playing this game, I was in an MAT program but not yet sober… there was a certain desperation to my character choices, mainly not using any drugs at all and wanting to save him. The dream on the first night kind of broke me… seeing him hanging there was THAT moment where it really hit that I was killing myself.
I thought that seeing an addiction therapist describe some of the processes would be peeking behind the curtain, but instead, I’m learning more than I ever could have hoped for. Thank you for your work ❤❤❤
I'm in recovery myself but I've never heard of an MAT program. What is that? Is it like a country specific thing?
@@LiamWhittle-tm7yo MAT stands for Medicated Assisted Treatment program, you usually hear about them in the context of opioids however the medication (Vivitrol) also works for alcohol! There’s other medications as well that doctors use, naltrexone, gabapentin, etc.
The way it works for me is that I get a monthly injection of vivitrol, which to put it in basic terms, blocks your brain from the “reward” you’d normally get from alcohol. Once I started the injections, I immediately went from ~10 drinks a day to 4, my body couldn’t stomach any more without getting violently sick the next day. Then, I spent the next year fluctuating between 1-4 drinks on any given night while discussing this all in therapy. Eventually, you are retraining your brain to no longer associate alcohol with pleasure.
MAT centers are kind of an all in one office stop, and you also go in for therapy (covered by insurance! I could never afford therapy before!) Instead of quitting drinking right away, you start to taper until you reach what they call “extinction”- where the desire to drink is no longer there. Meanwhile, the therapist isn’t telling you “you have to quit”- they’re letting you reach that conclusion yourself. Harm reduction is the model, my therapist was like “if moderation is your goal, I will help you achieve that”. It took a year of “moderation” for me to realize that moderation is the work of sobriety without the benefits, and come to my own conclusion that it wouldn’t work (instead of just being told, “you can’t moderate”. Alcoholics are contrarians and don’t like being told what to do lol)
I tell people that the first day ACTUALLY sober after doing this program (which also kind of uses the Sinclair method I believe) is soooo much different than your traditional first day sober. Instead of feeling like the start of something, it feels like the end- like letting go of something that no longer serves you, instead of having it taken away.
I think every alcoholic should know about these programs because they WORK. I think what makes sobriety so hard to commit to is it’s all or nothing, and so many people aren’t ready to take that leap of “no more alcohol ever again”. MAT programs allow/require you to continue to drink while being in recovery and working on yourself, which i think is very alluring to alcoholics and removes that big mental road block of “no more”. Compared to AA (not digging on it, it works for many!), which is more like “when you get sober, the spiritual growth will follow”, MAT is more like, “let’s get you some spiritual growth, and then sobriety will follow”
Always happy to spread the good word!
i've gotta say, i'm really pleased that you have really high real life Half Light! most people i've seen or spoken to get disarmed by joyce very quickly because of how pleasant she is to talk to, but you stayed skeptical and untrusting
As you've gained popularity, your streamer chat has evolved from intellectuals to ranting children.
I benefit from there being a new video to watch.
This is exactly what “everything is political” means. There are power dynamics at play with nearly everything that goes on in society. Being able to recognize that and seeing “who benefits” is a very good skill to develop.
I have never found that pack of smokes in all my playthroughs. That is hilarious. It is a thing, though, that you have to use X drug/substance in order to see all of the ones that are lying around town. Some are in the open, more or less, but others are invisible to you until you partake and then suddenly they're everywhere.
Maybe we can just turn chat off at this point? Very pushy, spoilers and back seat driving. But really enjoying the playthrough. Just play the way you want, it's great.
I'll beef up my mods next stream and clarify to viewers that if they cant cool off we'll go into sub only mode or something
@@eurobrady Sounds good! 👍
i am honestly really impressed with your interpretation (understanding) of the krenel situation, it's a lot more complete than i would've expected from someone who avoids political topics
chat needs to stop backseating sm...
But really... WHO BENEFITS!?
Hard... Core...?
@@samovarsa2640skibbi dee skibbi doo we are the rearranger
@@samovarsa2640
TO ZE MEGA!!!
Just wanted to say, your analysis of Frittte girl made me seek out therapy again, so thanks.
That's what I love about this game. You can be hours into the story and something new about Harry comes up that makes him seem even more like a mess.
The Pale is such a cool and novel concept, that do you think of it so far and have talked with the Paledriver? It's kind of ominous how Kim again and again tries to steer you away from the topic when you talked with people who knows more about it, like the Joyce conversation.
I would turn off chat completely while playing the game tbh. Chat is getting annoying. It is fine to enable it once in a while every time when you have something to say but it should stay disabled while you are not talking about something else
I am not someone who normally gets a bit weird at chat, as I also at times tend to do it...but damn. When Brady simply looked at the posters of the Lady Driver and chat immediately started posting stuff. I fully get the excitement, but that was fast.
Love the playthrough so much. It goes in complete different directions than I did in my full playthroughs and I am here for it. So amazing seeing stuff that I have not seen myself, even with all my hours in the game. Or seeing it in different context/order.
"no, Kim is going to be upset by that". Excellent character development moment for this Harry.
I just got in from a long drive, unwinding with this before I turn in. Really enjoyable playthrough, glad I found your channel
Makes me proud to see Brady go from “uhm this sounds like opinions, nope, not my thing” to understanding(not fully, but still, he hasn’t really looked into what Union wants yet) the conflict at play and power dynamics
Wait scratch that he also sees that Union would want a war, damn!
Its kind of interesting that you have very high level Electrochemistry, yet your character constantly rejects and tries to overcome it. Its like a self imposed addiction/weakness. I know you had no way of knowing at the start of the game, but all those Electrochemistry points *could* have been invested elsewhere, and you wouldn't have voices telling you to smoke and do drugs. It does make a nice role-play of the man trying to overcome his intense addiction.
Hey Brady! Still loving the LP. I know the stakeholders here can be confusing so here's a spoiler-free summary of the factions involved.
1. Wild Pines - they are a multinational shipping company that owns the Harbor. This faction is represented by Joyce.
2. Union - these are the people who actually work at the docks, and have a very militant labor union that is attempting to seize more control for themselves. This includes everyone in the Harbor, as well as the Hardie Boys.
3. Hardie Boys - these are union members, and act as enforcers for Evrart and the union.
4. Krenel mercenaries - these are hired by Wild Pines as subcontractors, but are loose cannons who aren't reporting back to Joyce. As you know, the hanged man was one of them. They're traumatized career soldiers who are dangerous.
5. The Moralist International - this is basically the global government, like the UN. The RCM, and by extension your, power comes from their association with the Moralist International.
I love watching you meet and interact with all these different groups, and the theories you're coming up with!
In case it hasn't already been said by others: don't worry too much about doing things in the order *you* want to do them. Most actions give you a little bit of XP, so even if something turns out to be a dead end, you're still making progress by levelling up skills and gaining thoughts.
For one i said this in stream but god damn your takes on the motivations on thr major players were really interesting!
Also i caught in your comment about the difficulties of streaming that you worried about how fast you were 'progressing the game'.
Dont. Theres content in every direction here. Feel free to walk off the beaten path. Hell i even encourage it. The case can wait
Who benefits with these uploads? (I do, greatly)
Oh no I'm all caught up now... I can't wait for new episodes now, this is the best playthrough imo
Damn... Can't believe he broke Tommy's heart like that. I could *never* do that one. Same with being shitty to Kim
I love that Joyce, for the most part, just rolls with whatever weird thing Harry says.
59:33 it’s all about the money whirling-in-rags guy moment
I could just listen to 10 hours of Brady rationalizing breaking a man's heart and spirit.
If I have to break every soul in this city I'll do it.
Yes yes let the dark side flow
Just commenting to say this has been an absolute blast on many levels.
Chat is so rude.
When in doubt where to go:
Pick a quest that doesnt say "this will take some time to be solveable", which is most of them, and read the taskchain of stuff the game recommends you do, for example
“At some point, we stopped hoping for immortality and in place started hoping for our great-great-grandchildren.”
- Hans Blumenberg
"But who benfits?"
-Some therapist
#generativity
Sometimes you get stuck by limiting concentrations to the normal options. Like your choice not to interrupt 'Grandma'. The task list and the unlocked skill check lists are both great ways to get reoriented.
Love the fact that you are getting deeper into the game with each episode. It feels you are feeling way more inside of the game, the world, and starting building your own views and questioning power dynamics, thats politics. It is complex but also simple. And im loving the way you are talking about it all. As a series this is going great, some episodes and deep dives inside your interpretations of the characters feelings and how Harry sees the world, but now Brady itself is coming to show how he sees the world and people of Martinaise. And thats so cool to see
Spent the whole video stressed he won't make his money to stay at the Whirling
"You were showing your gun trying to impress everyone"
Brady: "Oh no..."
Harry, probably: "Oh no..."
Btw, those "lucky tomatoes" in chat... I feel like you failed every single check after chat spammed them lol
This episode is SO exciting (and I've played the game twice!), Good job Brady!!
Breaking Tommy hurt me deep in my spirit. A real ACAB moment
He had the half light to pull off the other method too. He was so close to figuring it out too it was infuriating!
Still Harry breaking Tommy for thr sake of thr case did make for some great storytelling even if the other option is so much more satisfying
@@LiamWhittle-tm7yo it's great storytelling! It's just that the story became a tragedy lol
Just caught up with the playthrough, its very fun and i enjoy your commentary!
You should have a ugly clip on tie you put on when roles playing harry and take it back off when your being therapist Brady.
every time he hypes an ability check, he fails it! I love it!
that was my favorite episode , your volition is showing GG
1:07:45
didnt know there was a dracula flow reference in disco elysium lmao
Woah, new video) That's great. I was actually wondering where you are for the past few days. Obviously you have a job and your stuff so you don't own content to anyone. But hopefully a stream soon)
Mr. Brady is NOT helping me deal with my DE stream withdrawal syndrome
@@peasant-trip can't argue, can't deny
Yeah just been busy is all! No stream this weekend but I'll be back on regularly again in March.
I'm beginning to learn that psychologists make terrifying detectives - at least when they're roleplaying a deranged amnesiac alcoholic junkie. I freaking love it.
You have the seeds for a rare and cool interaction here- you should talk to Cuno, maybe after the lieutenant goes to bed for the night.
Ok your lack of involvement w the politics would make me mad but your reading of the “who benefits?? Is Wild Pines using us to assert authority??” Seems so correct to me as well. You might not like the words used around it but you get it!!!!
Brady has a vast conceptualization stat.
12/10 Cat. Incredible.
Jamais means never. In deja vu, you feel as if an unfamiliar thing is familiar--in jamais vu, something that should be familiar to you seems unfamiliar.
my god he'd kill it at umineko
I’m Joneses for another episode
Will be back to streaming this weekend :) new episodes coming soon!
really enjoyed this as always. one thing about the game's mechanics, because you hilariously failed that logic check with 83% (wtf, though):
if you equip consumable items like cigarettes in your hand before starting a conversation, you can use them during the conversation to boost your stats (in case of cigs: intellect). that's important because you can't access your inventory during a conversation and sometimes you can't back out of or return to a checked response
did i just hear a dracula flow quote hell yea
Joyce thought he was making bird signs with his hands lmfao
Hell yeah.
My favorite part of playing Disco was thinking that i actually understood what was going on, and finding out i really had no idea.
it felt real bad to see tommy be sad..
Sometimes there is a difference between who people _represent_ and who these people *are*. Thus the primary detective question here isn't "who benefits" or "who doesn't benefit"... Go a level deeper: "what are they telling you freely and what are they omitting? Depending on their motives and/or personality: What can you actually infer from the information they do (or don't) provide?"
Hey-hey. :3 Still a great watch!
If I may, two small tips, that could help with playing this while streaming.
Most focus seems to be lost in coversations, when you don't assess remaining dialogue options after an interesting rant about the psychology of the situation.
Usually you have one sensible option remaining to be asked in almost all interactions - e.g. with Sylvie there was also an option to ask where your police hat was, beside the obviously bad choice to ask her out - there's no harm in that. Once again, not criticising - I get impatient with the game too, but when you had a whole line of questioning her about your badge, gun, and then uniform... don't back out at the last option about your uniform hat! :)
And a simpler tip - lines that start with "Wait..." and "Hold on" are always "free" extra info, there's almost never a reason to skip these - these are there to help you re-focus or add context.
Anyhow, great work as always!
Got my own doc on the last session to do a disco elysium personality breakdown on me - that was fun and productive, actually. :3
Also GREAT deduction work with Joice there, and bonus points for re-reading stuff!
You're doing great, Brady!
Excuse my backseating, but your playthrough is one of the best content possible I've seen on Disco Elysium - just want to help a bit without spoiling too much.
We are 15 episodes in, 20 hours roughly, how the fuck are people not clued in as to how you’re doing this play through?
Some people still seem to genuinely not be able to grasp the idea of what "roleplay" is.
For the next anime series you watch. I think you should try Super Cub. People have written it off as a big Honda commercial. I personally think it is a beautiful story.
Watching your new vid on twitch and you mentioned not including chat in the VOD. Please do include it. It would make it much harder to follow what you are talking about when we don’t know what you’re responding to. A lot of important context would be lost, imo.
(Leaving the comment here bc I don’t even know if you can do something like that on twitch if you are not live)
Love these btw!!
It was essentially turned off for the recording itself so it will not be on the next few uploads. We will see how it goes though, if it's too much of an issue I'll bring it back for the next one.
59:33 Brady would have been so blown away by a Communist Sorry Cop play through it is insane how close he walks up to the line but since he never internalized Mazovian Economics he may never know
I'm not just curious how you react to the game Brady so don't be afraid to just choose what you feel is what you want to choose that's how a lot of us play anyways I think and that's why I'm mostly curious how the game reacts to you. However I believe the prior is more beneficial to my learning. And please don't worry about how fast your progressing cuz really the game doesn't have a time limit you just don't want to kind of skip through a lot of stuff but that also affects the outcome, I feel like as also an analytical person myself sometimes it can just be hard to stop and smell the roses or live in the moment and in my opinion I wouldn't mind at all if you just acted like you weren't even streaming if that's what you wanted to do. Great content my friend.
7:35 twin peaks reference
I like that you did the drug bust route. That's what a *boring* cop would do. Lol
Ultra boring
The reason I distrusted Kim in my first play through was that he always steered me away from questions about The Pale, it’s like what is this Pale? He’s always like, “it’s just The Pale, don’t worry about it.” Im like, “ this stuff literally eats people’s thoughts i don’t know… sounds like something to be worried about.”
“Nah, it’s no big deal.”
I never liked Kim because he never let me be myself. If I had a supernatural premonition, I had to lie and say it was "just a hunch" or he would get angry. He felt like the kind of friend who only accepts you if you're willing to change into what they want you to be.
@@cleverman383 My dude, you are cops on a job, not pals hanging out (unless you earn it). A policeman constantly rambling about supernatural forces being involved won't court sympathy from his colleagues and that's 100% understandable.
@@ImVeryOriginal I'm not trying to "court sympathy" from him, I'm just being myself.
It's fine if he doesn't agree with my perspective, but I'm not going to change myself to make him like me. And he certainly wouldn't want to change himself to make me like him either.
I just want a partner who will accept me as I am, even if its different from who he is.
Neither of us should have to change to get each others approval. But he clearly thinks otherwise.
@@cleverman383 They are professionals. Doing a job. An extremely responsible, high stakes job that gives them authority and power over others. This isn't about "accepting you" or "changing you". This is about you behaving like a lunatic during an important investigation, possibly compromising it.
I'd like to see your face when the policemen investigating a case related to you start talking about "psychic energies" and "mystic visions". Kim is being incredibly accomodating and tolerant as is, being disappointed he doesn't approve of your mumjo-jumbo antics is just childish and ridiculous.
I like playing a deranged Harry as much as the next guy, but it's clear this isn't acceptable behavior and in a sane world, he would be sacked. Applying standards appropriate for personal friendships to this situation is just ludicrous.
@@ImVeryOriginal It's not deranged to believe in the supernatural. I literally get information from Inland Empire and Shivers which I have to lie to Kim how I know it or he'll hate me.
He even hates you if you insist that you've lost your memories. Never at any point in the entire game does he ever believe that you have amnesia. Your only option is to downplay it and lie to him if you want him to like you.
And just a reminder, this a universe where the fucking Pale is a fact of reality. If you know what the Pale is, then you know that having supernatural visions isn't actually that crazy of a thing in this universe.
You should consider doing the assassins creed series. There’s a lot to dig into and it would definitely give you something to do and come back to in between other games
We, the viewers
Progress!
1:30:00 time stamp for me for later 😊
Please someone warn Brady that he'll fail passive checks if he doesnt heal his health/mental bars
Pro tip!... directed at the chat/comment section:
Next time you have the urge to be helpful: pause a moment. Reflect. Could this be backseat gaming? Now your first reaction is probably going to be "Of course not! I am imparting genuinely helpful advice that has never been given before and without which would make the game literally unplayable." And I want you to sit on that thought for a while. Internalise it. What solution have you arrived at?
That logic fail is complete bullshit man
So caught in conpiracy that reality slipped lel
The Hardie Boys did nothing wrong
Assuming they killed him, 100% agreed.
can you do a psychoanalysis on your cat?
Extreme violations of Occam's Razor detected :P hahahahaha
Thought Gained: Who Benefits?