Janet said in her book she lost her virginity to James at 16. She described it differently from James. His version sounded like fantasy, Janet said it was painful and awkward. Her version sounds more realistic.
Well James is white enough for Joe's liking I guess. Janet did state that he didn't want his kids dating black ppl. Gives credence to the strong rumors that Ed Sullivan and Dick Clark "violated" the J5 as a ritual or agreement with Joe due then to become famous.
@@nicki1091 James was molested by his father and brothers. Basically his father coerced the act between the brothers!! Of course James would be experienced. Most 16 year old girls meet experienced boys. We never really question how they know.
Jermaine was mad about the marriage because since he was the producer of the group Switch, he knew the DeBarge family real well. They were ALL addicts.
@@joshuamcdowell9745 and that's about ALL/Jermaine getting them signed... Bobby and Tommy were the music glue that held that band together. what happened to Switch when those 2 Debarge brothers left???? the band fell off, BIG TIME.
My point about the group Switch was not about giving production credits but to show that Jermaine knew the DeBarge family including Bobby DeBarge. Who had one of the greatest falsetto voices in music but was a severe drug addict.
I’m not mad at Janet for holding her business. Sometimes you want to keep you’re creeping under wraps. James knows he didn’t go get drunk. He was doing something else.
Morning Nay! I can’t say enough how much I enjoy the book club, it’s almost 6am and I’m so happy to see this first thing. Janet don’t play about her life and I ain’t mad at her but deep down she’s just like any other women who loves a man.
Yea if you watch the documentary he literally tells Gary Dourdan that he didn’t care if he spread Janet’s legs from here to here ( she looks at him shockingly) as long as she was cool with it. The look on her face, smh. I never forgot that shit. I will say he was dope as a person but as her husband , nah at some point it went from him being her husband to him being obsessed with her like when he would film her, he would be like “ come back in this way “ after a while she was not here for it
James was physical but knowing a Jackson never responds to him,his mother a few siblings selling stories to tabloids they could like many others get away with it. They are the ones who brought this whole secret child mess snd over the years it went from a girl to eventually a boy talking about this secret child when they needed money to fund their drug issues,had a song,to release like a nephew,his daughter in a reality show with. Fake child who looked nothing like either James nor Janet. She has always had weight issues would gain fast and lose fast and if she even got pregnant bothering with him caused a miscarriage. Janet only found out about his drug issues after she married him as a 18yr old ,was going in the worse places when he went on a binge,was messing with Vanity who was on drugs . Then here both are married and living with her parents and Micheal who had to talk him out of trying to unalive himself according to James ,but the thanks he got was them going after his baby sister,making snide remarks from him. Sadly many still believe she had a baby by him ,have called every child in the family that baby who by now at 40 something would have spoke out . Those whip have as I stated look nothing like said parents but people making money off the story also.Then add it was said he was abusive physically towards her as well as emotionally,Toya has said she has heard slaps,her late sister in law Enid saying she was stressed even feel out during a walk . Again Joe was relentless in trying to get rid of James rightfully so and yes when he threatened to jump off the roof Joe said do it 😅.
Janet said that her ex-husband Wissam was verbally and emotionally abusive towards her. Randy even said Wissam was abusive and made her life hell when she was pregnant with her son. Janet said that she would escape to Harlem to get some peace. I didn't know René was already in the picture when Janet was married to James. This must have been around the time he was a backup dancer for Latoya. I don't believe Janet had a child by James. The child's birth certificate would have been discovered by now. A person's birth is public record. Aaliyah denied she was married to R. Kelly only for their marriage license to be revealed to the world. I can believe Janet terminating a pregnancy. Joe would not allow her to carry a baby by James to term much less allowed his other daughter Rebbie to raised it since he was against the marriage. And Janet didn't lie about her second marriage. She just didn't tell the world. She and Rene was together when she was messing with Bobby Brown.
I also believe that she was pregnant and because joe couldn’t stand james he made Janet get an abortion it’s not a stretch to think that the reason why they keep it under wraps is because her parents were johova witnesses. She was too emotional about a non existent child
Tommy Debarge was a MASTER bass player. his playing was up there with. Verdine White, James Jamerson, Janice Marie Johnson, Bootsy Collins. just to name a few of the GREATS.
Oh please. Bobby was the side nigga. She treats him the way you are supposed to treat a side nigga or side chick after the affair or entanglement like they don't exist. Bobby was just butt hurt because she didn't leave René for him. It was just sex for her.
@@MZHARDBODYENT Yeah,Brown and Dupree were low hanging fruit in my opinion. LOL. But,she saw something in both of them,I'm HIGHLY jealous that's all. LOL.
@8:41 JRT that’s odd, they usually get married to get away from home. Joesph probably was going do some pew pew if they didn’t stay where he could keep & eye on James. Janet was doing her acting thing, Joe not going to let nobody mess that up. This part of book…JRT is on one.
Hi Nay, I read years ago and have heard this repeated several times that Janet in fact did have a baby girl by DeBarge who she gave up for adoption to her sister Rebi. You're right Janet will lie! I remember when everybody was shocked when it came out she was married to Rene! She kept that fact under wrap for about 10 years! WOW!!
Yes, Janet really was pregnant and had a baby girl. It wasn't a rumor. It really happened but Janet isn't going to talk about it. It was announced when she had the baby that's why people knew it was a girl. She was congratulated - it was in all the black publications at the time Jet Magazine and on BET's Video Soul with Donnie Simpson. No, you aren't going to find any of that now. The Jacksons got it all wiped away...as they did with other situations. Some journalists from back in the day have admitted the Jacksons asked for them to keep certain things under wraps for them and they did. None of the black publications were going to let the black family of music look bad. They basically had an agreement with each other. I know this because I found out back when I was studying journalism myself in the late 1990s-early 2000s. I myself was never in entertainment journalism and knew no celebrities but I knew people who were and did.
Even though the Jacksons are highly secretive to the point of basically being liars, I don’t believe that Janet actually gave birth to a baby girl all those decades ago. A secret like that can only be hidden for so long. The truth would eventually have come out. I can believe that she had an abortion, but her giving birth to James’ baby and managing to keep it hidden for all these decades is beyond far-fetched. Even Janet can’t keep a secret like that hidden for 40 years.
I believe James. He has nothing to gain from lying. We already know Janet doesn't always tell the truth like how she doesn't remember going with Katherine to beat up Joseph's secretary........
I don't only because he has told different stories in this book he said she had an abortion and he took her to get it but on the show growing up hip hop he said she had the baby even had some delusional woman claiming to be their child so which one is it? His mom and sister Bunny were both pushing the story until the dna test proved she wasn't James's child then Bunny says "oh i was wrong there was no child" Them Debarges just like The Jacksons have mental issues
Joe wanted his sons to only marry black women? I know THAT'S an absolute lie. Because EVERY single one of those boys, except Marlon married ANYTHING BUT black. Janet dated as many black men as she dated non black men. Rebie has been married to a black man since she was a teenager. And Latoya just seems "asexual".
Hold up wait I had to come back so she was messing with Rene elizondo while she was with James ! Yea she is bold for that 😂😂😂. James was telling the truth
If you watch the documentary Janet never lied about being married to Rene because she just didn’t tell anyone. Image. Also, as far as Brandy goes. Robert told her that he was no longer in a relationship with his girlfriend at the time so Brandy was under the impression she had man fair and square but the dirty part about it is Rodney Jerkins and Robert are cousins so the whole time he was working with abrandy he should have said something but he did not. But the married part was a lie indeed. And then he went back to the same girl and they are married and have a family and everyone is one big happy fam
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Take a Good-Close look at Auggie 🧐 and research D.O.B. and Big Sis was on tour promoting 1st Album flat tummy and all, Ref. JET Mag, May of that year ... #"ALLEGEDLY" 😶
Yes I don't think it was Billie Gene's son this woman lived overseas when she brought it to the sorry I don't remember the nationality a very handsome young boy and could have been a possible he was not from a white mother or black maybe if you do some deep research it might come up I think this was in the late 80s 90s
The whole family was trained from a young age to play smoke and mirrors. Joe made sure of this... Sadly low self esteem and body dysmorphia were also part of the program... Heartbreaking!
I believe James Debarge regarding the secret baby that he later revealed (a daughter) but I don’t believe Bobby Brown, they didn’t want Janet to married him that’s all.
Good morning Nay, Lulu, & the crew. Listen people been urking me lately talking ish about you. Talking about your situation how all of a sudden you asking people for money when you have a wife how you're out here supposedly scamming people and with your videos begging. I'm seeing it on TH-cam and I swear I want to comment on all of them but I'm like you know what God don't like ugly and he will deal with them later. Long as I see you thriving looking happy healthy and content with where you are and what you're doing that's all that matters.
That's a mess, Nay has never asked us for money, just pay the 5 dollar monthly fee. People hating cuz Nay has her own lane and doesn't need to spread gossip for a few dollars
those Jackson brothers, except for Michael. got their damn nerve. THEY married someone YOUNG daughter too/the hypocrisy. Janet mentioned in her book that she lost her virginity at 15 to James Debarge. so, she wasn't lying there/FIRST time for everything/LOL...JOE got the J.5 OUT of Motown at the RIGHT time saving the brothers careers. JOE's bickering got Janet OUT of that marriage to James Debarge. saved her career, and probably LIFE. but the fans/public, don't give Joe credit for shit....NO JOE, NO SHOW BUSINESS JACKSONS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW. ALL of it was Joe's vision Katherine had NOTHING to do with it. women are NOT visionaries, MEN ARE.
Lies! Women aren’t visionaries? There’s plenty of women that have grinder to get to success as well. Diana Ross? Jennifer Lopez? Beyoncé? Rhianna? Why are you on a woman’s page spewing women hate?
Janet said in her book she lost her virginity to James at 16. She described it differently from James. His version sounded like fantasy, Janet said it was painful and awkward. Her version sounds more realistic.
Well James is white enough for Joe's liking I guess. Janet did state that he didn't want his kids dating black ppl. Gives credence to the strong rumors that Ed Sullivan and Dick Clark "violated" the J5 as a ritual or agreement with Joe due then to become famous.
James was experienced so of course his response is going to be different it was Janet first time.
@@nicki1091 James was molested by his father and brothers. Basically his father coerced the act between the brothers!! Of course James would be experienced. Most 16 year old girls meet experienced boys. We never really question how they know.
I don't mind them lying. They don't owe us every difficult detail of their lives. And look what fame does.. Michael, Britney..
& Jada. Facts
Jermaine was mad about the marriage because since he was the producer of the group Switch, he knew the DeBarge family real well. They were ALL addicts.
Jermaine ONLY Produced a couple of songs for Switch...MOST of the Composing and Music Production was done by the late great...BOBBY DEBARGE.
@@mysticakhenaton1701Jermaine got Switch their deal at Motown
@@joshuamcdowell9745 and that's about ALL/Jermaine getting them signed... Bobby and Tommy were the music glue that held that band together. what happened to Switch when those 2 Debarge brothers left???? the band fell off, BIG TIME.
He also managed them. So yes he knew them.
My point about the group Switch was not about giving production credits but to show that Jermaine knew the DeBarge family including Bobby DeBarge. Who had one of the greatest falsetto voices in music but was a severe drug addict.
It's impossible to take control of Sags, once you start to get a grip they magically disappear from existence.
Astrology is so entertaining 😂
I’m not mad at Janet for holding her business. Sometimes you want to keep you’re creeping under wraps. James knows he didn’t go get drunk. He was doing something else.
Morning Nay! I can’t say enough how much I enjoy the book club, it’s almost 6am and I’m so happy to see this first thing. Janet don’t play about her life and I ain’t mad at her but deep down she’s just like any other women who loves a man.
Janet’s 2nd husband abused drugs as well and was psychological abusive and manipulative.
Yea if you watch the documentary he literally tells Gary Dourdan that he didn’t care if he spread Janet’s legs from here to here ( she looks at him shockingly) as long as she was cool with it. The look on her face, smh. I never forgot that shit. I will say he was dope as a person but as her husband , nah at some point it went from him being her husband to him being obsessed with her like when he would film her, he would be like “ come back in this way “ after a while she was not here for it
The Jacksons learned to lie at an early age so it was easy as famous adults.
James was physical but knowing a Jackson never responds to him,his mother a few siblings selling stories to tabloids they could like many others get away with it. They are the ones who brought this whole secret child mess snd over the years it went from a girl to eventually a boy talking about this secret child when they needed money to fund their drug issues,had a song,to release like a nephew,his daughter in a reality show with. Fake child who looked nothing like either James nor Janet. She has always had weight issues would gain fast and lose fast and if she even got pregnant bothering with him caused a miscarriage. Janet only found out about his drug issues after she married him as a 18yr old ,was going in the worse places when he went on a binge,was messing with Vanity who was on drugs . Then here both are married and living with her parents and Micheal who had to talk him out of trying to unalive himself according to James ,but the thanks he got was them going after his baby sister,making snide remarks from him. Sadly many still believe she had a baby by him ,have called every child in the family that baby who by now at 40 something would have spoke out . Those whip have as I stated look nothing like said parents but people making money off the story also.Then add it was said he was abusive physically towards her as well as emotionally,Toya has said she has heard slaps,her late sister in law Enid saying she was stressed even feel out during a walk . Again Joe was relentless in trying to get rid of James rightfully so and yes when he threatened to jump off the roof Joe said do it 😅.
3rd husband
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You keep me entertained while I'm bored at work. Love your channel ❤️
Right!
🤣😂🤣😂@ "I mean, he does pay all the bills. He can take all the doors off the hinges, if he choose to."
Michael could be very deceptive too. We all know this. 😂
Janet said that her ex-husband Wissam was verbally and emotionally abusive towards her. Randy even said Wissam was abusive and made her life hell when she was pregnant with her son. Janet said that she would escape to Harlem to get some peace.
I didn't know René was already in the picture when Janet was married to James. This must have been around the time he was a backup dancer for Latoya.
I don't believe Janet had a child by James. The child's birth certificate would have been discovered by now. A person's birth is public record. Aaliyah denied she was married to R. Kelly only for their marriage license to be revealed to the world. I can believe Janet terminating a pregnancy. Joe would not allow her to carry a baby by James to term much less allowed his other daughter Rebbie to raised it since he was against the marriage. And Janet didn't lie about her second marriage. She just didn't tell the world. She and Rene was together when she was messing with Bobby Brown.
Rene and Janet met when Rene was a backup dancer for Latoya and she was like 15/16 at the time
I also believe that she was pregnant and because joe couldn’t stand james he made Janet get an abortion it’s not a stretch to think that the reason why they keep it under wraps is because her parents were johova witnesses. She was too emotional about a non existent child
Good morning, Nay, Lu, and everyone. Yes, I believe James.
Has anyone read Tommy Debarge book? It's sad, but a great read.
Tommy Debarge was a MASTER bass player. his playing was up there with. Verdine White, James Jamerson, Janice Marie Johnson, Bootsy Collins. just to name a few of the GREATS.
Yeah that tea on Janet was already clocked…
She has never commented on Bobby Brown.
Oh please. Bobby was the side nigga. She treats him the way you are supposed to treat a side nigga or side chick after the affair or entanglement like they don't exist. Bobby was just butt hurt because she didn't leave René for him. It was just sex for her.
I never believed she got with Bobby until she got with JERMAINE DUPREE 😩 then I was like ok that was possible lol
@@MZHARDBODYENT Yeah,Brown and Dupree were low hanging fruit in my opinion. LOL. But,she saw something in both of them,I'm HIGHLY jealous that's all. LOL.
Michael wasn't slick he just didn't want to hear or know his little sister was having sex! 😅
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Another great Chapter, Miss Nay:) Can you imagine being high and seeing Michael Jackson dancing around the Pool, naked! lol xo
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Those were crack tales.
@8:41 JRT that’s odd, they usually get married to get away from home. Joesph probably was going do some pew pew if they didn’t stay where he could keep & eye on James. Janet was doing her acting thing, Joe not going to let nobody mess that up. This part of book…JRT is on one.
Nay I love your Channel, I don’t understand why people are complaining about what you are doing 🤷🏽♀️,
Hi Nay, I read years ago and have heard this repeated several times that Janet in fact did have a baby girl by DeBarge who she gave up for adoption to her sister Rebi. You're right Janet will lie! I remember when everybody was shocked when it came out she was married to Rene! She kept that fact under wrap for about 10 years! WOW!!
The only children Rebbie raised are her own three children
Chile please. That story has been going around for almost 40 years and yet no child
Yes, Janet really was pregnant and had a baby girl. It wasn't a rumor. It really happened but Janet isn't going to talk about it. It was announced when she had the baby that's why people knew it was a girl. She was congratulated - it was in all the black publications at the time Jet Magazine and on BET's Video Soul with Donnie Simpson. No, you aren't going to find any of that now. The Jacksons got it all wiped away...as they did with other situations.
Some journalists from back in the day have admitted the Jacksons asked for them to keep certain things under wraps for them and they did. None of the black publications were going to let the black family of music look bad. They basically had an agreement with each other. I know this because I found out back when I was studying journalism myself in the late 1990s-early 2000s. I myself was never in entertainment journalism and knew no celebrities but I knew people who were and did.
@@lisacox3750 that’s still a rumor. 40 years and no child has popped up. No one has confirmed it. And James debarge doesn’t count.
Even though the Jacksons are highly secretive to the point of basically being liars, I don’t believe that Janet actually gave birth to a baby girl all those decades ago. A secret like that can only be hidden for so long. The truth would eventually have come out. I can believe that she had an abortion, but her giving birth to James’ baby and managing to keep it hidden for all these decades is beyond far-fetched. Even Janet can’t keep a secret like that hidden for 40 years.
Nay I hollering 😂😂😂
I believe James. He has nothing to gain from lying. We already know Janet doesn't always tell the truth like how she doesn't remember going with Katherine to beat up Joseph's secretary........
JANET CAN KEEP SECRETS...her history speaks for itself.
I don't only because he has told different stories in this book he said she had an abortion and he took her to get it but on the show growing up hip hop he said she had the baby even had some delusional woman claiming to be their child so which one is it? His mom and sister Bunny were both pushing the story until the dna test proved she wasn't James's child then Bunny says "oh i was wrong there was no child" Them Debarges just like The Jacksons have mental issues
THAT PART 😂
all james do is lies, a desperate druggie
Thank finally somebody with some sense Janet cares way too much about her image and what people think of her .
Joe wanted his sons to only marry black women? I know THAT'S an absolute lie. Because EVERY single one of those boys, except Marlon married ANYTHING BUT black. Janet dated as many black men as she dated non black men. Rebie has been married to a black man since she was a teenager. And Latoya just seems "asexual".
nay Robb if you apologize again imma flip...this is a book club you doing us a favor and im sure you could say waaayyyy more.
Please do not apologize, let the haters be miserable. We love u and your content ❤
Hold up wait I had to come back so she was messing with Rene elizondo while she was with James ! Yea she is bold for that 😂😂😂. James was telling the truth
Haha if you find a clean DeBarge...
Just like Whitney and Bobby. Wholesome image, but Bobbi was born less than 6 months before her parents got married. May Bobbi and Whitney R.I.P.
Right but no one pointed that out.
If you watch the documentary Janet never lied about being married to Rene because she just didn’t tell anyone. Image. Also, as far as Brandy goes. Robert told her that he was no longer in a relationship with his girlfriend at the time so Brandy was under the impression she had man fair and square but the dirty part about it is Rodney Jerkins and Robert are cousins so the whole time he was working with abrandy he should have said something but he did not. But the married part was a lie indeed. And then he went back to the same girl and they are married and have a family and everyone is one big happy fam
Good morning Nay. do you. You’re funny and entertaining and that takes lots of work and talent. I appreciate it and enjoy.
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Celebrities want to stay relevant got to tell us something, lies w/ a sprinkle of truth 🤷🏼♀️
The world is going to shit 😅😅😅😅lmao oh yes!
Lol he do pay the bills 😂😂😂😂😂 I love me some MJ ❤ but he has his social awareness lol
El said he has been clean for years since his last album
I suggest “Will Smith Demonic Circle” by Brother Bilaal…😉😉😉
Take a Good-Close look at Auggie 🧐 and research D.O.B. and Big Sis was on tour promoting 1st Album flat tummy and all, Ref. JET Mag, May of that year ... #"ALLEGEDLY" 😶
Jonathan Spence? I already know where this story is going 😮…I can’t wait till your next video lol 😂
😂lol @ Janet and her quote......"abortion " in the 80s 👀. If you know, you know and if you remember, you remember ☕️
Good morning does anyone remembers the lady somewhere in Europe claims she had a son with Michael
GIRL WHAT??? 😮
That’s probably were the song 🎵 and lyrics to Billie Jean came she says I’m am the one but the kid is not my son
Yes I don't think it was Billie Gene's son this woman lived overseas when she brought it to the sorry I don't remember the nationality a very handsome young boy and could have been a possible he was not from a white mother or black maybe if you do some deep research it might come up I think this was in the late 80s 90s
I see you representing with the Washing Commanders ( lol @ that goofy name ) gear.
Don't get blocked
@uptownnayrob get blocked by being factual? No Redskins fan likes the Commanders name.
This is a new one on me, and missed in this portion Rene came up so soon
Good morning
Nay Rob, I just call it as i see it.. I grew up with the Jacksons. (Figurative)
The whole family was trained from a young age to play smoke and mirrors. Joe made sure of this... Sadly low self esteem and body dysmorphia were also part of the program... Heartbreaking!
Oh, Nay, i can give the name of a clean DeBarge Peach DeBarge.
Believable and beleaving something is two different things.. however I do believe James
I believe James Debarge regarding the secret baby that he later revealed (a daughter) but I don’t believe Bobby Brown, they didn’t want Janet to married him that’s all.
Good morning Nay, Lulu, & the crew. Listen people been urking me lately talking ish about you. Talking about your situation how all of a sudden you asking people for money when you have a wife how you're out here supposedly scamming people and with your videos begging. I'm seeing it on TH-cam and I swear I want to comment on all of them but I'm like you know what God don't like ugly and he will deal with them later. Long as I see you thriving looking happy healthy and content with where you are and what you're doing that's all that matters.
That's a mess, Nay has never asked us for money, just pay the 5 dollar monthly fee. People hating cuz Nay has her own lane and doesn't need to spread gossip for a few dollars
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I wish yall stop quoting Bobby brown.
Let's Wait Awhile my arse.. 15 and hunching?/ more like Let's Wait till Friday😂😂😂
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LMAO.. 10:59 ..
Gm Nay
Janet is a liar. Where that baby?
I ❤️ Janet, but my girl is a Liar 🤥
I remember James curse Janet out on his Facebook page called her a h**lmao I’m sorry I started laughing
those Jackson brothers, except for Michael. got their damn nerve. THEY married someone YOUNG daughter too/the hypocrisy. Janet mentioned in her book that she lost her virginity at 15 to James Debarge. so, she wasn't lying there/FIRST time for everything/LOL...JOE got the J.5 OUT of Motown at the RIGHT time saving the brothers careers. JOE's bickering got Janet OUT of that marriage to James Debarge. saved her career, and probably LIFE. but the fans/public, don't give Joe credit for shit....NO JOE, NO SHOW BUSINESS JACKSONS THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW. ALL of it was Joe's vision Katherine had NOTHING to do with it. women are NOT visionaries, MEN ARE.
Michael had his issues too.
Lies! Women aren’t visionaries? There’s plenty of women that have grinder to get to success as well. Diana Ross? Jennifer Lopez? Beyoncé? Rhianna? Why are you on a woman’s page spewing women hate?