I'm always for reducing the number of casters since when everyone can cast spells the magic doesn't feel special (especially as the classes share spells with each other). But then again that's probably just how D&D is so it's just to accept it if one wants to play in that vein.
Hey man, I just watched Chris' video about your new system. I am very impressed. All rpg drama aside, I have been getting bored with 5e, but my group still needs "DND" language to understand a new system. Looks like you are nailing it with something that is part of the history of the game, but genuinely and thoughtfully pushes to something new. Congratulations to you and your team.
I love how in DC20 players will still be engaged off their turns in combat with how reactions work with the 4 action points. You could pretty much spend them all before your turn.
@@MagiofAsura thats one of the things im really looking forward too, as a dm ive noticed more and more how often players drfit out when it not their turns so this sounds awsome to help keep em engaged
Just played a one shot with my group and everyone was amazed at how it only took us one play through to get the rules down. Very intuitive system and the classes are fun.
I was originally sad to hear no warlock but thankfully I waited until the end lol, I am so excited for this especially ranger sounds like should be a blast to play. And multi classing sounds bonkers and I love it.
Yo DC, very excited by all this can't wait to see what classes come next! I really hope you add another "half caster" like Paladin to your game - a spellblade gish character is an obvious one that I've wanted in D&D for decades!
The paladin looks likes it's going to be a very nice class to play. MCDM came out with Illrigger a few years ago, which is a kind of anti paladin. I like that you added the holy and unholy type in there to be played. Looking through the game so far it looks to be very customizable. Well done. I look forward to future DC20 content...
@@natanoj16 Not a problem... Homebrew is a thing. With such flexibility in character creation and development, I'm sure we can come up with a paladin...
I like the MP-based spellcasting (I've always felt uncomfortable with Vancian magic), but I'd be interested in a Talent-based magic option, like the Spheres of Power by Drop Dead Studios.
I love Dungeon Coach but I swear every single video I ask myself, "Is he just re-inventing 4th Edition?" and I feel like after this video I can say YES! As a huge 4th Edition D&D fan who hates 5th Edition, I am loving everything about DC20!
I don't like the idea of that wizard sigil feature. I'll reserve judgement until I see it in play in it's final form, but speaking as a wizard player, repositioning yourself is incredibly important to stay alive as such a squishy and strategic class. Having a feature that pins you down to one place seems to encourage a stationary playstyle which is both dangerous and less interesting to me.
@@TheDungeonCoach oh yeah you Toootally nailed it :D I've got a classless skill tree in the works (just hope I can finish editing the video for it by tomorrow xD) Maybe you'd be interested in collaborating some time? 👀
Idk about the fighter gettin adv on death saves dont know if it applies to the battlefield I do like that they get better on rolls throughout the battle but ideally i think that could be more of an subclss or capstone rather than a core feature Cus they already have second wind, action surge, and their techniques But its a fair add but id argue for not off the bat or have to make a choice for it Also Something i like is having non magical healing be classic temp hp It cant be stacked and it can make you more powerful than your limits Separates it from holy healing
I opened up early access for a single one time purchase (with automatic updates to the Alpha) I am a solo content creator and ran out of funds for the project and had to do this in order to keep it going. It was originally a patron only reward, but I opened it up to the community for a cheaper price for those who wanted to play it early. I hope that makes more sense 💜
Just watched Treantmonk's initial review and came here for more info - DC20 sounds pretty cool! Curious tho - are there tips for changing existing 5E monsters to adjust for the lower(?) PC damage output? (not done the math, so no idea if average DPS is actually lower)
I don't think of it as something like a video game. Sure DC20 has some amazing features that are just like World of Warcraft. Magic classes use mana as a resource. Martial classes get a mana-like resource and spell-like abilities. However I don't think it counts as video game like. This can work just fine in tabletop. So it can just be a tabletop thing. Playing video games does help with designing tabletop games. That can provide inspiration. World of Warcraft is very inspiring for me. So much of its systems and world building can easily be applied to a TTRPG. I also get inspiration from Pokemon and Legend of Zelda.
I'm still not sure how I feel about the Monk. One of it's biggest issues was from a pure design perspective. All of the other classes, even yours, are setting agnostic, they can fit into any culture/setting. However, the Monk is specifically of Asian flavor; it sticks out like a sore thumb. Add onto that, every archetype you can think of for a monk fits into another existing class. Kensei or Open Palm? Fighter. Way of Shadows? Rogue. 4 Elements? Druid. Drunken Master? Barbarian. Your monk sounds fun, but it still doesn't fit unless the game is set in fantasy asia. The Ranger changes sound nice though, it should have always felt like you were playing a Witcher, which this sounds like it might.
Allow me this thought, the term monk is more europian than asian, in term of someone living in a monastery, an abbey, cultivating a simple life of self-cultivation. Furthermore, there was martial artists all over the world. Yes, pop culture went us to think martial arts = Far East, but like Africa has great martial arts thrhough its whole continent. And one of my favorite fiction has a european fighting monk: as much a Robin Hoods might be the leader of the Merry Men, 'tis Little John that I envisaged actually forming the band on how to fight... and he'll kick thy ass, yet I do not see an ounces of asian style in him, even if he'll be going around with the dozen of barrels that he self-brew.
Wizard and sorcerer seem quite similar, are they both necessary? As you can choose you prime attribute being able to freely determine your relationship with magic would be cool. I'm a might "magic man" so my magic comes from within me I'm a int "magic man" so my magic come from study. I think I just prefer less classes and more subclasses. I feel the same for warlord. Could that just be a subclass for fighter?
I’m in love with the idea of the intelligence based monk. They aren’t wholly strong but they are able to do precise strikes that do more damage than they would normally be capable of. That just feels so Monk I love it.
Have you played Guild Wars 2? I think you'd get A LOT of cool ideas. Some of these things remind me GW2. Also, I want to buy this already. I honestly think I'd drop D&D for this. Would you create an adaptation guide to adapt 5e content to DC20?
Ugh all sorcerers are wild magic. Just doesn't make sense to be shoehorned into that. Overload sounds fun, but dealing damage to yourself is never good, especially at low levels. Those classes almost always bomb. Psions sound cool. It's always amazing how D&D has had psionics for forever, but players can't handle it being revisited now. Still lacking other classes though. Way too martially focused.
To address your points: 1. I think, casting spells with no Mana is a pretty wild thing to do and that represents that. I think if you saw the wild surge table, it would make a lot more sense. It’s not a bunch of random crap. 2. Dealing damage to yourself thing is going to be heavily wash during play testing, but so far with over 10 sorcerers in a play test, it’s never been an issue. 3. It is a lot more difficult to make spellcaster’s, so there aren’t as many. But most of the classes that are yet to be released are all spellcaster’s. So the game will have an exact even number of each. 👍🏼
Personally I don't want wild magic innately in my sorcerer, I go out of my way not to play wild magic sorcerer because I don't want to have random effects happen when I try to do things. Having it baked into the class just means I won't play it personally. If others enjoy this idea then I am glad for them, I just can't find the appeal personally.
@@TheDungeonCoachIn regards to taking damage that makes sense to me, but is the wild magic optional? Is there a subclass or something that removes it?
I know this has been seconded already but I'm going to third this because it needs to be said: Is there going to be a Gish type Bladesinger-ish class or subclass?
Not sure where to put these questions: 1) Warlord banner ability says that you can spend 1 AP to take help action or reaction. "The creature must be within 5 spaces of your banner". Does this get rid of the normal help action requirement that the Warlord needs to be within 1 space of the PC or target enemy? Can I Help Action at range with this?......2) Spells like Fire bolt say that it costs 1 AP to cast in order for the flame to remain in your hand for 10 minutes, then under "spell attack" it says I can spend 1AP to make a spell attack with it. Does this mean if I'm in combat, I need to spend 1 AP to create the fire and then a 2nd AP to attack with it? That's at least how i read it. If that's not the case, please consider revising some words. ... Thanks a bunch
There are 4 arch types i love to play. The Summoner, the Primal Hunter/survivalist , The Motherly support and the Mind controller Charmer. I've also tried to make the Bardbarian work in 5e but this Warlord sounds right up my alley!! Really exciting direction DC20 is going! Treantmonk is highlighting your system Coach!! love your collabs!
Just bought the alpha, looks cool, a condition that does not take away all your AP like stunned and paralyzed one but just some would be cool. I always hated stunned and paralyzed as a DM or a player as it shuts everything down but since you do AP you could have a scaling condition at level 1 takes 1 AP away and level 4 takes 4 AP away.
I came from Treantmonk’s video. I was kinda looking forward to building an INT based bard, but guess I’ll give Warlord a shot since it’s partially bard-inspired (no pun intended)
That’d be sick if there was a mechanic that allows more damage or something based on how much mana you still have. Like maybe a paladin does more damage with smite the more mana they still. Maybe that’s not practical but thought it’s a cool idea
I have invested alot into 5e but i am also very intrigued with this aswell,if you could think of a way that our other,in my case 5e resources could still be used with your system then this would be a win win situation and i think i would jump right into this ! Will almost certainly be backing this 👍
You had me at Warlord - the best thing from D&D4e - I played nothing else in 4e, you brought back my favourite class in D&D history to your game. Just bought the alpha rules, will probably be backing the KS
Well wish you luck, but definitely too limited. Plus, I think it will have a bunch of things I personally wouldnt enjoy...still, for those who do...have fun with it. Just think this is a continuation of weaker and weaker game system designs....sigh...
There is one major thing I dislike about this system… ALL THE CLASSES ARE SOO GOOD I CAN’T CHOOSE, I love them all!!! Warlord & Monk are probably my ever so slight favorite. They are just so cool and unique. But every class has something that makes me go, “I want to play that” which is just so darn well done.
We need an arcane gish. 5e has it smeared all over fighter, wizard, and warlock subclasses, none being quite the thing. Pathfinder has magus, and it just feels so right.
He did say subclasses were coming. And you can always strip the holy theme off a paladin and make their magic scholarly, primal, or innate instead of faith based. We’ll see soon enough though. It seems like DC is pumping along pretty hard for right now.
@@curts7801I kind of age with OP. The thing with magus is they get to use their physical attacks to make their spells land, which both gives them accuracy/crit boosts which let's them go beyond just damage to "I hit you with my greatsword and vines spring up to tie you down." It's some fun stuff.
it sounds pretty awesome overall. but 2 things that stuck out to me. First, UnHoly paladins. Anyone remember Cavaliers from ADND 1E? I loved those. and monks. god I love the concept of the monk. the sad thing is, monks in DND never seemed to live up to the hype. If the monks in DC20 are half of what I think they could be, I'll buy the whole system just for the opportunity to live the monk dream.
Yknow, I hear all of 2 things about DC20 coming out (excited btw) and decided I would start a journey of making my own ttrpg system. I have some good mechanics and interesting systems but somehow I managed to replicate 4 things in DC20 that I wasn't even aware of until this video! The Prime stat, Source of Power, Stamina Point and Mana Point. Though I named them different they seem functionally the same. This just gets me more excited for DC20 though, theyre mechanics I wanted to see in a ttrpg and now I know they're being done by professionals :)
Now I just want to know what are minion class options? Minion classes. Someone who controls Elementals, Beasts, Spirits, Undeads or Demons. Perhaps even someone who can lead followers but that usually don't fit well with TTRPGs. Wizard Necromancer using Animate Dead Druid casting Conjure Animal Ranger Beast Master (Personally we run that the beast has brain and will kill your enemies without needing an attack command) Warlock Pack of the Minion Rogue Arcane Tricskter Find Familiar There are two ways to take this. You have one single powerfull minion or many weak minions. Quality vs Quantity. But also in some cases like PF2e Summoner people say the Minion takes the center light of the whole class and makes you the player feel secondary to that, but that is something I enjoy.
My friends and I are thinking about doing a campaign with this ruleset but we have to get everyone on board to try something new or stick with 5e. I see that you mentioned paladin in the video, but I'm looking at DC20 PLAYTEST RULES PREVIEW on your site and I dont see paladin listed anywhere. Is there a place I can see it. Or is this class locked behind a paywall.
I love the descriptions for Barbarians, Wizards, Warlords, Sorcerers, and Psionics just off the top of my head I am very excited for all of these. I would like to see a more Aragorn style Ranger. I would like to see movement bonuses, move and strike bonuses, whirlwind attacks, ranged and melee.
On keeping creative and thinking outside the box... The only thing I'm worried about from what I've seen in DC20 is how things have bene conceptualized according to boxes a bit like Pathfinder. I call Pathfinder "Classfinder"... the class fantasy is hard baked into the rules. The features play a huge role and those serve to make very specific class concepts happen. For one example, most of my Clerics aren't about being church templars and I have no use for most of the features of that when I want to try to make a warrior with some of the hybrid-mu possibilities which make the rules for Clerics in 5e great.
Sounds hard to GM a fight between party's. 3rd round of the fight so enemy fighters get advantage on these, enemy monk has 2 AP left, Barbarian got hit with brutal attack, Rouge is standing in a sigil etc. Only one way to find out how crunchy..I've l backed it.
I can see just this sheer amount of unbridled passion for this work) Sure, some mechanics still sound poorly refined and a bit out of place. Like I’m not quite sold on any class being able to use any ability to attack with any weapon, for example, because it sounds plain illogical - imo, you’re not going to do fancy fencing work with that two-handed greataxe, no matter how you slice it. But most of the ideas are great, and I would really love to try and play this thing. P.S. no bard or warlock? That makes my heart sad 😢. Although I do understand that those two classes are quite tricky, and it makes sense to add them when you get the basics down.
Very excited about the game. I backed it on kickstarter. Where are the details for the psion? I don’t see it listed in the documents that have. Thank you in advance.
This all really sounds so interesting. Like, my mind wanders right now getting into Dnd for the first time and going over the 5e stuff. But I actually want to try and stay focused on the videos being put out for this. I'm not sure, I think in this case with what we are getting for the classes, they just sound a little more fun and rewarding to play? Maybe that's part of why I'm liking it? That and these rules just make a little more sense to me? Dunno, but this will be cool to look into!
Is there any chance the Ranger in DC20 can be a melee focused Martial? I am so over pew pew Ranger. In the Lord of the Rings books Aragorn never uses a bow.
Monks should have to use weapons for lethal effect in melee just like everyone else. The Shaolin monks of China and the Warrior Monks of Japan, the Sohei all used weapons on the battlefield (and presumably vs Dragons if there were any :o). All unarmed combat comes from weapons arts. The strange movements in certain martial arts are often simply an adaption of a weapon technique adapted for unarmed combat. The reverse punch in karate comes from staff/spear technique for example. In this way, a Warrior Monk or Samurai doesn't have to spend time learning a new fighting style, they would just adapt what they already know for unarmed combat.
I never liked the Ranger being a bit of a Caster because I never wanted to use magic when playing with him, I'm playing ranger to hunt and hit people with a bow.
I really love what you did with rouge. They feel like scoundrel that don’t fight fair instead of whatever they are in 5e. Can you believe that the edgy loner class fights better with friends than alone?
Please tell me eventually you will add another Gish class. The Paladin is okay and all, but I want to be a fighter that studies the arcane to enhance his battlefield performance. He's a seasoned general that learned to listen to the mages, or a soldier that inherited his father's curiosity for the mystical arts. Or a mercenary that learned magic simply because it was useful for some jobs. But I need my arcane warrior archetype!
So does that mean your class specific "talents" are going to be equivalent to a first level class feature? That sounds like it could get overshadowed in either direction really quick
I gotta say. I love the features you choose to cherry pick from pathfinder and form fit to this system that seems to want to simplify pathfinders hundreds of pages of necessary knowledge
I am not familiar with what classes were in fourth edition, apparently the warlord was one of them, but I don’t know about the rest! I’ll have to look into that!!
@@TheDungeonCoach there's a list of classes in the wiki, if you ask me, for the warlord at least, try to make it as Temp HP healing for the sake of morale boosting instead of sheer bodily recuperation, but make it able to stack.
Really want a gunslinger personally. I know it’s not for everyone but I love them. Also, I think favorite terrain should give you bonuses based on what your favorite terrain is. So different terrains would teach you different skills anytime.
I would think a gunslinger could be built off of ranger or rogue very easily with the customization options if it doesn’t get a specific class on its own. But great concept to build on.
I’m not so sold on the Warlord. It feels like it should be fighter subclass. I get that they have a completely different stamina-gaining mechanic but I’m doubtful many people could get the fantasy behind this class.
I love the rogue's direction of being "status oriented" I makes it much more unique than "I hit hard once" I'm really looking forward to your take on "Artificer"!
It sounds like every martial class gets rewarded with stamina for doing something and contributing except the monk. To be able to do something useful, monks first have to do less.
love, finally a ranger that can use traps and is not focused on magic. this multyclass mechanic is awesome
I really wanted the ranger to feel like a HUNTER! (Almost renamed it to hunter too lol)
@@TheDungeonCoach cant wait to try this class and monk too
@TheDungeonCoach I love this take on the ranger, and it fits so painlessly. Let martials be martials and casters be casters.
I'm always for reducing the number of casters since when everyone can cast spells the magic doesn't feel special (especially as the classes share spells with each other). But then again that's probably just how D&D is so it's just to accept it if one wants to play in that vein.
Hey man, I just watched Chris' video about your new system. I am very impressed. All rpg drama aside, I have been getting bored with 5e, but my group still needs "DND" language to understand a new system. Looks like you are nailing it with something that is part of the history of the game, but genuinely and thoughtfully pushes to something new. Congratulations to you and your team.
I love how in DC20 players will still be engaged off their turns in combat with how reactions work with the 4 action points. You could pretty much spend them all before your turn.
@@MagiofAsura thats one of the things im really looking forward too, as a dm ive noticed more and more how often players drfit out when it not their turns so this sounds awsome to help keep em engaged
Rocky Balboa was definitely a Barbarian.
"It ain't about how hard you can hit, but how hard you can GET hit and keep goin'!"
I’m so excited for a Warlord class! One of the best parts of 4e and it’s completely missing from 5e
no Druid? but how will i be able to fullfil my need to turn into a wild animal rip my enemies to shreds? **sad direwolf noises**
It’s coming soon
Or Artificer? How are we to be magic tech builders?
@@andrewdowns3673 those are coming soon!!
Druids are coming in the next class update! They are some of the most complex due to wildshape lol
@@TheDungeonCoachwe are just trying to have that scene Doric had with wildshape in the DND movie
Just played a one shot with my group and everyone was amazed at how it only took us one play through to get the rules down. Very intuitive system and the classes are fun.
Omg! Thanks for that! Genuinely makes me so happy!!
We are all excited to play the next version!
Is there a free pdf to test? ☺️
That's pretty cool to hear. I hope my players are receptive to it. The system has so much potential!
any quiick tips? im going to be running thje one shot from thie kickstarter ( none of us have played or ran it at all yet)
I was originally sad to hear no warlock but thankfully I waited until the end lol, I am so excited for this especially ranger sounds like should be a blast to play. And multi classing sounds bonkers and I love it.
Dagger heart if I was you thrs no druid and no Summing Magic
Yo DC, very excited by all this can't wait to see what classes come next!
I really hope you add another "half caster" like Paladin to your game - a spellblade gish character is an obvious one that I've wanted in D&D for decades!
A magicless Ranger? Now I'm excited!
Well I hate rhis system thes no Summing or druids the the o my sort class I play
What.. @@brightlights2489
@@brightlights2489 Bard, warlock, druid, a cursed class, and the artificer are all available now. So you can totally play a druid at the least
Excited for these classes! We just wrapped up a 5e campaign we’d been running so I’m going to run a 3-5 shot with my group using DC20!
Would you e a nt to play thid game when thrs no druid I would play dagger Heart insted
The paladin looks likes it's going to be a very nice class to play. MCDM came out with Illrigger a few years ago, which is a kind of anti paladin. I like that you added the holy and unholy type in there to be played. Looking through the game so far it looks to be very customizable. Well done. I look forward to future DC20 content...
Thanks Jason! See you in a future live bro!
Aaand now the Paladin is gone :P (But seems there will be Commander and Spellblade which can function with different parts of the Paladin)
@@natanoj16 Not a problem... Homebrew is a thing.
With such flexibility in character creation and development, I'm sure we can come up with a paladin...
Do you have plans for a "spellblade" class fantasy? I really love gish type characters
I like the MP-based spellcasting (I've always felt uncomfortable with Vancian magic), but I'd be interested in a Talent-based magic option, like the Spheres of Power by Drop Dead Studios.
Np beads and no druids you obviously hate druids/ summoning magic
I love Dungeon Coach but I swear every single video I ask myself, "Is he just re-inventing 4th Edition?" and I feel like after this video I can say YES! As a huge 4th Edition D&D fan who hates 5th Edition, I am loving everything about DC20!
Yeah, the more he talks, the more I want to say, "Why yes, I also played 4th Edition." o_0
I don't like the idea of that wizard sigil feature. I'll reserve judgement until I see it in play in it's final form, but speaking as a wizard player, repositioning yourself is incredibly important to stay alive as such a squishy and strategic class. Having a feature that pins you down to one place seems to encourage a stationary playstyle which is both dangerous and less interesting to me.
Man these are so dope xD not sure why but I love the fact that barbarians have crits on inanimate objects xD that's just so fun!
This is so so cool :3
Thanks goblin! I really tried to hit the CLASS FANTASY on each :)
@@TheDungeonCoach oh yeah you Toootally nailed it :D I've got a classless skill tree in the works
(just hope I can finish editing the video for it by tomorrow xD)
Maybe you'd be interested in collaborating some time? 👀
Idk about the fighter gettin adv on death saves dont know if it applies to the battlefield
I do like that they get better on rolls throughout the battle but ideally i think that could be more of an subclss or capstone rather than a core feature
Cus they already have second wind, action surge, and their techniques
But its a fair add but id argue for not off the bat or have to make a choice for it
Also Something i like is having non magical healing be classic temp hp
It cant be stacked and it can make you more powerful than your limits
Separates it from holy healing
Then I think you’ll love the new class updates coming in 0.7!!
You are charging people for a playtest version of your game?
I opened up early access for a single one time purchase (with automatic updates to the Alpha)
I am a solo content creator and ran out of funds for the project and had to do this in order to keep it going. It was originally a patron only reward, but I opened it up to the community for a cheaper price for those who wanted to play it early. I hope that makes more sense 💜
I see a ranger subclass being the ambusher or trapper becoming a wild thing
Just watched Treantmonk's initial review and came here for more info - DC20 sounds pretty cool! Curious tho - are there tips for changing existing 5E monsters to adjust for the lower(?) PC damage output? (not done the math, so no idea if average DPS is actually lower)
I love how it also feels fairly video game-esque with the more points based system.
I don't think of it as something like a video game. Sure DC20 has some amazing features that are just like World of Warcraft. Magic classes use mana as a resource. Martial classes get a mana-like resource and spell-like abilities. However I don't think it counts as video game like. This can work just fine in tabletop. So it can just be a tabletop thing. Playing video games does help with designing tabletop games. That can provide inspiration. World of Warcraft is very inspiring for me. So much of its systems and world building can easily be applied to a TTRPG. I also get inspiration from Pokemon and Legend of Zelda.
I'm still not sure how I feel about the Monk. One of it's biggest issues was from a pure design perspective. All of the other classes, even yours, are setting agnostic, they can fit into any culture/setting. However, the Monk is specifically of Asian flavor; it sticks out like a sore thumb. Add onto that, every archetype you can think of for a monk fits into another existing class. Kensei or Open Palm? Fighter. Way of Shadows? Rogue. 4 Elements? Druid. Drunken Master? Barbarian. Your monk sounds fun, but it still doesn't fit unless the game is set in fantasy asia.
The Ranger changes sound nice though, it should have always felt like you were playing a Witcher, which this sounds like it might.
Allow me this thought, the term monk is more europian than asian, in term of someone living in a monastery, an abbey, cultivating a simple life of self-cultivation. Furthermore, there was martial artists all over the world. Yes, pop culture went us to think martial arts = Far East, but like Africa has great martial arts thrhough its whole continent. And one of my favorite fiction has a european fighting monk: as much a Robin Hoods might be the leader of the Merry Men, 'tis Little John that I envisaged actually forming the band on how to fight... and he'll kick thy ass, yet I do not see an ounces of asian style in him, even if he'll be going around with the dozen of barrels that he self-brew.
Wizard and sorcerer seem quite similar, are they both necessary?
As you can choose you prime attribute being able to freely determine your relationship with magic would be cool.
I'm a might "magic man" so my magic comes from within me
I'm a int "magic man" so my magic come from study.
I think I just prefer less classes and more subclasses. I feel the same for warlord. Could that just be a subclass for fighter?
Gosh im actually liking what im seeing. Now i just need to find friends
I’m in love with the idea of the intelligence based monk. They aren’t wholly strong but they are able to do precise strikes that do more damage than they would normally be capable of. That just feels so Monk I love it.
Have you played Guild Wars 2? I think you'd get A LOT of cool ideas. Some of these things remind me GW2. Also, I want to buy this already. I honestly think I'd drop D&D for this.
Would you create an adaptation guide to adapt 5e content to DC20?
Ugh all sorcerers are wild magic. Just doesn't make sense to be shoehorned into that. Overload sounds fun, but dealing damage to yourself is never good, especially at low levels. Those classes almost always bomb. Psions sound cool. It's always amazing how D&D has had psionics for forever, but players can't handle it being revisited now. Still lacking other classes though. Way too martially focused.
To address your points:
1. I think, casting spells with no Mana is a pretty wild thing to do and that represents that. I think if you saw the wild surge table, it would make a lot more sense. It’s not a bunch of random crap.
2. Dealing damage to yourself thing is going to be heavily wash during play testing, but so far with over 10 sorcerers in a play test, it’s never been an issue.
3. It is a lot more difficult to make spellcaster’s, so there aren’t as many. But most of the classes that are yet to be released are all spellcaster’s. So the game will have an exact even number of each. 👍🏼
Personally I don't want wild magic innately in my sorcerer, I go out of my way not to play wild magic sorcerer because I don't want to have random effects happen when I try to do things. Having it baked into the class just means I won't play it personally.
If others enjoy this idea then I am glad for them, I just can't find the appeal personally.
@@TheDungeonCoachIn regards to taking damage that makes sense to me, but is the wild magic optional? Is there a subclass or something that removes it?
I know this has been seconded already but I'm going to third this because it needs to be said: Is there going to be a Gish type Bladesinger-ish class or subclass?
100% yes 👍🏼
@@TheDungeonCoach then I will be 100% watching with great interest!
I think Stamina could use a rename.why does exerting yourself regain Stamina? I was thinking something more like Focus points.
disagree
Not sure where to put these questions: 1) Warlord banner ability says that you can spend 1 AP to take help action or reaction. "The creature must be within 5 spaces of your banner". Does this get rid of the normal help action requirement that the Warlord needs to be within 1 space of the PC or target enemy? Can I Help Action at range with this?......2) Spells like Fire bolt say that it costs 1 AP to cast in order for the flame to remain in your hand for 10 minutes, then under "spell attack" it says I can spend 1AP to make a spell attack with it. Does this mean if I'm in combat, I need to spend 1 AP to create the fire and then a 2nd AP to attack with it? That's at least how i read it. If that's not the case, please consider revising some words. ... Thanks a bunch
There are 4 arch types i love to play. The Summoner, the Primal Hunter/survivalist , The Motherly support and the Mind controller Charmer. I've also tried to make the Bardbarian work in 5e but this Warlord sounds right up my alley!! Really exciting direction DC20 is going! Treantmonk is highlighting your system Coach!! love your collabs!
Just bought the alpha, looks cool, a condition that does not take away all your AP like stunned and paralyzed one but just some would be cool. I always hated stunned and paralyzed as a DM or a player as it shuts everything down but since you do AP you could have a scaling condition at level 1 takes 1 AP away and level 4 takes 4 AP away.
I came from Treantmonk’s video. I was kinda looking forward to building an INT based bard, but guess I’ll give Warlord a shot since it’s partially bard-inspired (no pun intended)
That’d be sick if there was a mechanic that allows more damage or something based on how much mana you still have.
Like maybe a paladin does more damage with smite the more mana they still.
Maybe that’s not practical but thought it’s a cool idea
I have invested alot into 5e but i am also very intrigued with this aswell,if you could think of a way that our other,in my case 5e resources could still be used with your system then this would be a win win situation and i think i would jump right into this ! Will almost certainly be backing this 👍
You had me at Warlord - the best thing from D&D4e - I played nothing else in 4e, you brought back my favourite class in D&D history to your game. Just bought the alpha rules, will probably be backing the KS
Well wish you luck, but definitely too limited. Plus, I think it will have a bunch of things I personally wouldnt enjoy...still, for those who do...have fun with it. Just think this is a continuation of weaker and weaker game system designs....sigh...
Getting Stamina back from unspent action points is just resting , which doesnt seem very monk like.
You don't meditate in combat.
Been really looking forward to this
No druid makes this a sad system for me :(
There is one! Watch the spellcaster vid where he breaks down how all the magic users are unique
There is one major thing I dislike about this system… ALL THE CLASSES ARE SOO GOOD I CAN’T CHOOSE, I love them all!!!
Warlord & Monk are probably my ever so slight favorite. They are just so cool and unique. But every class has something that makes me go, “I want to play that” which is just so darn well done.
We need an arcane gish. 5e has it smeared all over fighter, wizard, and warlock subclasses, none being quite the thing. Pathfinder has magus, and it just feels so right.
He did say subclasses were coming. And you can always strip the holy theme off a paladin and make their magic scholarly, primal, or innate instead of faith based. We’ll see soon enough though. It seems like DC is pumping along pretty hard for right now.
@@curts7801I kind of age with OP. The thing with magus is they get to use their physical attacks to make their spells land, which both gives them accuracy/crit boosts which let's them go beyond just damage to "I hit you with my greatsword and vines spring up to tie you down." It's some fun stuff.
it sounds pretty awesome overall. but 2 things that stuck out to me. First, UnHoly paladins. Anyone remember Cavaliers from ADND 1E? I loved those. and monks. god I love the concept of the monk. the sad thing is, monks in DND never seemed to live up to the hype. If the monks in DC20 are half of what I think they could be, I'll buy the whole system just for the opportunity to live the monk dream.
Yknow, I hear all of 2 things about DC20 coming out (excited btw) and decided I would start a journey of making my own ttrpg system. I have some good mechanics and interesting systems but somehow I managed to replicate 4 things in DC20 that I wasn't even aware of until this video!
The Prime stat, Source of Power, Stamina Point and Mana Point. Though I named them different they seem functionally the same.
This just gets me more excited for DC20 though, theyre mechanics I wanted to see in a ttrpg and now I know they're being done by professionals :)
Now I just want to know what are minion class options?
Minion classes. Someone who controls Elementals, Beasts, Spirits, Undeads or Demons. Perhaps even someone who can lead followers but that usually don't fit well with TTRPGs.
Wizard Necromancer using Animate Dead
Druid casting Conjure Animal
Ranger Beast Master (Personally we run that the beast has brain and will kill your enemies without needing an attack command)
Warlock Pack of the Minion
Rogue Arcane Tricskter Find Familiar
There are two ways to take this. You have one single powerfull minion or many weak minions. Quality vs Quantity.
But also in some cases like PF2e Summoner people say the Minion takes the center light of the whole class and makes you the player feel secondary to that, but that is something I enjoy.
My friends and I are thinking about doing a campaign with this ruleset but we have to get everyone on board to try something new or stick with 5e. I see that you mentioned paladin in the video, but I'm looking at DC20 PLAYTEST RULES PREVIEW on your site and I dont see paladin listed anywhere. Is there a place I can see it. Or is this class locked behind a paywall.
I love the descriptions for Barbarians, Wizards, Warlords, Sorcerers, and Psionics just off the top of my head I am very excited for all of these.
I would like to see a more Aragorn style Ranger. I would like to see movement bonuses, move and strike bonuses, whirlwind attacks, ranged and melee.
On keeping creative and thinking outside the box...
The only thing I'm worried about from what I've seen in DC20 is how things have bene conceptualized according to boxes a bit like Pathfinder. I call Pathfinder "Classfinder"... the class fantasy is hard baked into the rules. The features play a huge role and those serve to make very specific class concepts happen. For one example, most of my Clerics aren't about being church templars and I have no use for most of the features of that when I want to try to make a warrior with some of the hybrid-mu possibilities which make the rules for Clerics in 5e great.
Sounds hard to GM a fight between party's. 3rd round of the fight so enemy fighters get advantage on these, enemy monk has 2 AP left, Barbarian got hit with brutal attack, Rouge is standing in a sigil etc.
Only one way to find out how crunchy..I've l backed it.
So, Jason Asarno would be a rogue. He is an affliction specialist.
LitRPG: He Who Fights With Monsters.
I can see just this sheer amount of unbridled passion for this work)
Sure, some mechanics still sound poorly refined and a bit out of place. Like I’m not quite sold on any class being able to use any ability to attack with any weapon, for example, because it sounds plain illogical - imo, you’re not going to do fancy fencing work with that two-handed greataxe, no matter how you slice it.
But most of the ideas are great, and I would really love to try and play this thing.
P.S. no bard or warlock? That makes my heart sad 😢. Although I do understand that those two classes are quite tricky, and it makes sense to add them when you get the basics down.
So, is this system intended to work in tandem with D&D, or separate?
This is completely its own system, it will just feel familiar while you play it. 👍🏼
@@TheDungeonCoach awesome! Would it be hard to slot in things like monsters from other d20 systems?
Very excited about the game. I backed it on kickstarter. Where are the details for the psion? I don’t see it listed in the documents that have.
Thank you in advance.
This all really sounds so interesting. Like, my mind wanders right now getting into Dnd for the first time and going over the 5e stuff. But I actually want to try and stay focused on the videos being put out for this. I'm not sure, I think in this case with what we are getting for the classes, they just sound a little more fun and rewarding to play? Maybe that's part of why I'm liking it? That and these rules just make a little more sense to me? Dunno, but this will be cool to look into!
Wooo
Is there any chance the Ranger in DC20 can be a melee focused Martial? I am so over pew pew Ranger. In the Lord of the Rings books Aragorn never uses a bow.
So with the “holy or unholy” thing for Clerics and Paladins, what happens if you serve a neutral or morally ambiguous deity?
Monks should have to use weapons for lethal effect in melee just like everyone else. The Shaolin monks of China and the Warrior Monks of Japan, the Sohei all used weapons on the battlefield (and presumably vs Dragons if there were any :o). All unarmed combat comes from weapons arts. The strange movements in certain martial arts are often simply an adaption of a weapon technique adapted for unarmed combat. The reverse punch in karate comes from staff/spear technique for example. In this way, a Warrior Monk or Samurai doesn't have to spend time learning a new fighting style, they would just adapt what they already know for unarmed combat.
Will you be making a fully digital version of character sheets and rules on something like Demiplane or something?
I never liked the Ranger being a bit of a Caster because I never wanted to use magic when playing with him, I'm playing ranger to hunt and hit people with a bow.
The only thing I'm on the fence about is that the Cleric doesn't have a Nature-y druid-expy.
I really love what you did with rouge. They feel like scoundrel that don’t fight fair instead of whatever they are in 5e. Can you believe that the edgy loner class fights better with friends than alone?
Please can monk have might for AC? i wanna be the big immovable guy for once XD
Please tell me eventually you will add another Gish class. The Paladin is okay and all, but I want to be a fighter that studies the arcane to enhance his battlefield performance. He's a seasoned general that learned to listen to the mages, or a soldier that inherited his father's curiosity for the mystical arts. Or a mercenary that learned magic simply because it was useful for some jobs. But I need my arcane warrior archetype!
New drinkng game. Every timr he says 'iconic' you take a shot. Lets see who can cimplete tge video. Im pretty sure i cant.
So does that mean your class specific "talents" are going to be equivalent to a first level class feature? That sounds like it could get overshadowed in either direction really quick
I gotta say. I love the features you choose to cherry pick from pathfinder and form fit to this system that seems to want to simplify pathfinders hundreds of pages of necessary knowledge
Will you bring back the 4e classes, Coach?
I am not familiar with what classes were in fourth edition, apparently the warlord was one of them, but I don’t know about the rest! I’ll have to look into that!!
@@TheDungeonCoach there's a list of classes in the wiki, if you ask me, for the warlord at least, try to make it as Temp HP healing for the sake of morale boosting instead of sheer bodily recuperation, but make it able to stack.
Would've rather lose the sorcerer than lose the druid. Druid fantasy it's just too much fun
The multi class mechanic sounds awesome, but unbalanced. I guess it can’t be worse then 5e multi classing though
I would love to see a video of combat, even if it is just a clip taken from the stream with the other TH-camrs.
Really want a gunslinger personally. I know it’s not for everyone but I love them. Also, I think favorite terrain should give you bonuses based on what your favorite terrain is. So different terrains would teach you different skills anytime.
I would think a gunslinger could be built off of ranger or rogue very easily with the customization options if it doesn’t get a specific class on its own. But great concept to build on.
Ranger sounds so awesome! I totally envision a vampire hunter a la Trevor Belmont etc
I’m not so sold on the Warlord. It feels like it should be fighter subclass. I get that they have a completely different stamina-gaining mechanic but I’m doubtful many people could get the fantasy behind this class.
Any plans for a summoner/beastmaster class or a druid/shapeshifter class?
I love the rogue's direction of being "status oriented" I makes it much more unique than "I hit hard once"
I'm really looking forward to your take on "Artificer"!
Regarding metamagic, how is it different from the MP/AP augmentations that spells come with?
too many sound effects at the start for my autism... but besides that you are very engaging.
I wanna play a half-ogre wizard!
I have to admit, I miss a bard/minstrell type of character in this line up. Any plans for that?
It sounds like every martial class gets rewarded with stamina for doing something and contributing except the monk. To be able to do something useful, monks first have to do less.
Seeing the new barbarian approach I'd rename it to berserk!!! Or at least have it as one of the core subclasses (or viceversa)
Is there a Primal caster? No druid?
Nevermind i've read in the comments that its coming.
Wait there's a primal spell list but no Shaman/Druid? Who uses it then? Just _some_ sorcerers?
I love everything I've heard... except too many classes
Still would like an agnostic paladin... like the Champion.
Genuine question Is there any plans for like a summoning like class
This really makes sense. I love what you have to say here. Thanks for all the uploads.
I feel like this is 4th mixed in the right way for 5th I learned dnd. In 4th and love it but I feel hard in 5e
Is there stuff like subclasses or is it more a mix of options so you can mix and match to make the theme you want?
I might actually play a Rogue in this. I like the status condition play
As soon as he said how mukticlass workes the firat thing i thouggt was a sorceror who wouod rage!
completely lost me with the wizard, gonna be real with ya.
Living the look of fighter. The amping up is cool as heck!
Where are the nature based class? The ones that use primordial force to cast spells
honestly between this and the mcdm rpg, i mgiht not go back to dnd
Pretty excited about this
Are we also getting a Warlock type class at some point?
So you can be the best there is at what you do as a ranger? Hell yeah.