I love how all of the casters has something special to bolster the way they cast spells. I know it is probably to much to ask for and probably not worth the time, but I would be willing to watch a 40 minute video going over the martials as well.
I had a first-time DC20 player for my session yesterday that played a sorcerer. When the party's Angelborn made the mistake to don some demonic armor, this player poured ALL FOUR AP -- and ALL HIS GRIT POINTS -- to pry the magic out of his friend's head, allowing the armor to be removed! EPIC MOMENTS!!!
I never was a fan of the bard, but hearing you describe it made me imagine a narrator bard with a deep voice that tells you a story of how he alters reality bringing the effects of a spell to life affecting the enemies and gave me chills.
Finally someone that understands bards were actually the historians of the olden days. When people could not get educated and go to school and write, everything's was passed down in oral traditions. Story tellers were highly prizes in older times and indeed the still are as we are still captured by stories in a screen.
I'm playing a rabbitfolk bardtlemaster (Bard/Battlemaster) Who does that, but he's small and cute. So his voice is bright and determined instead of deep. His magic is essentially manifesting the stories of heroes he grew up hearing about.
I think the word "points" is coming up more often than it needs to, it could just be me but i feel like you can convey the same message with just "manna", "stamina", "health", while keeping it for "rest point" and any other examples where adding points helps to get the meaning across. Just a thought 😊😊
I much prefer saying points than not. To me saying you can spend a mana feels like the nana is a physical thing like a coin or item. The nana or stamina aren't physical things. So having points to measure it feels better to me than saying there is a number of mana.
@@dracodominus2800but… points aren’t a physical thing either lol. It’s just a term used to refer to a certain value you can spend, the name itself is meaningless. What matters is avoiding overlap and making sure the name gives some indication of what it’s for. Going from Mana Points to Mana makes perfect sense
@@crystallxix1493 thats exactly my point. (No pun intended). Points are not a physical thing, just a measurement. But saying I spend 5 mana implies you have physical number of mana. Like for example saying use 24kw of electricity, instead of saying spend 24 electricity. The word 'point/s' becomes the measurement.
He didn't really say it, but the rules text indicates that they can choose a different spell to become the Prepared Spell after every long rest. It's not really a spell that you're better than everyone else at forever, it's one that you read up on in the past day because you expect it to be useful soon.
YES! As a really old school wizard-phile I have been annoyed by all these classes stealing my thunder and mechanics. If they cast mechanically different that will make them feel like different class and not toe stepping on spell thieves.
Love the wizard being able to move the sigil! Wizard is my favorite 5e class, and I liked the idea of the sigil. But having to stand in one spot the whole battle didn't make much sense (though it did make the wizard an easier target).
I really like the contrast between the wizard and sorcerer, the wizard looks much more consistent while the sorcerer has the potential to do more damage but with more risk, I also like how the system of combining spells makes having two casters in would make them both feel good since the mechanics benefit teamwork.
Also, on the specific topic of the magic system, my only ask was switching from slots to mana, but you didn't just think outside of the box. You destroyed it! I love the ability to upgrade and flavor spells to the needs at the moment. Genius!
Realy love what you did here. All off these are really unique and instantly convay a destinct Mental Image, jet they not feeling limeting for the Flavor of individual Characters. My only slight concern is that it seams a bit hard to track all of these individual Effects especially for newer Players. Things like the Wizards Reduction having to be tracked separate from their Arcane Points despite having similar applications.
Very pumped for the KS! This is the single most promising RPG (for my particular taste) I have seen in a very long time. Speaking of magic: Do spells have material components? In my experience, no one ever pays those any mind and unless they're super expensive they don't matter. Not a fan.
This sneak peek of the 0.7 rules shows how you can and have elevated each class in their own unique, classical and respectful way Keep up the good work Coach
Brilliant way to make the casters FEEL different 👍 Very customisable so it seems you can really nail the power fantasy you're going for. :) DC20 deserves to be popular. An elegant system.
One of my favorite things about the DC 20 0.7 preview is the Divine tag on Find Familiar. A huge gripe about 5e is the narrowness of the Cleric spells' scope, and I look forward to seeing what else they get.
I have lost count of the features in DC20 that are mind blowingly brilliant! The Druid wild form allowing you to quickly piece together whatever animal you want is such a good idea! No more carrying around a stack of different stat blocks or taking 5 minutes to look up if a house cat has dark vision. You just decide that this particular house cat does and your good to go. Love it!
The amount of horror the Druid can become with the different traits. I imagine a Druid of rot turning into half skeletal abominations, the “Putrid Druid”
When you mentioned how a bard could just start talking once combat broke out i immediately thought of Mr.Hippo from fnaf. Like imagine a fight breaks out and everyone pulls out magic weapons and begins casting spells and then the purple Hippo is just like. "My friend, you have met a terrible, terrible demise. But, uh, you know, I-I don’t feel too bad about it. After all, if- if it weren’t from me, it would have just been from someone else, ya know? I guess what I’m trying to say is life, life goes on. W- well, from- for everyone else, life goes on. Not- not for you, you’re, you're dead." I wouldn't be able to handle it.
I remember my first bard. He was an Orator who told stories which came to live. We have almost always played with bards using their arts to cast magic. Most often it is through sound, but not always. (We once had a baker Bard who inspired though promises of Good food and such things :P )
I really love the prime stat idea for how it handles different takes on magic. D&D has used mental stats for casting for so long its assumed, but when we look at magic in media there are some really fun physical casters. Anime is full of physical characters like Natsu Dragneel and Mereoleona Vermillion who built monsterous bodys to be able to withstand and channel powerful magic. Likewise there are concepts like water and air benders as well as various spell dancers that imply a very dexterous casting style. On a similar note characters like Superman, All Might, or even the Hulk often act as the bard, inspiring their team through acts of sheer physical strength. These characters are appreciated for their strength but often the greatest effect they have is inspiring their team and showing their is hope. I need to see a finished product before i decide whether this will be my next main system, but i love so many of the concepts you have come up with. Inherently balancing stats before tying them to class features really freed you to have a lot of fun elsewhere.
My feedback to WotC for Druid wildshape was to create a central star block then allow players to add specific animal traits (spider web, scorpion poison, whatever). It’s huge for me that this is the way in DC20.
I think it’s a really good thing that I can’t make a choice. They’re all so damn good and the potential for fun in all of them. You’re such a different journey in a different ride slipping in a theme park. I want to ride all the rides but just one and each one will be an experience onto itself, such a good job. I can’t wait for the kickstart I’m sold.
Omg i just got inspired to play druid and bard again! Got it all figured out: play an intro of inspiration as verses, followed by battle choruses, and tendrils of vines will deliver lightning to shock them while i switch songs back and forth until an emotional bridge 🎸🎶🤘
One of the things I had pointed out to me once while playing back in the 3.5 days is that Oratory was also an option among performance skills, so you can also have a public speaking / rhetoric focused bard - whether you want to make that a politician, a sophist, a prolific educator, Gnome Socrates, the possibilities are really quite open - but I always loved that idea conceptually that hey it's a charisma based class why shouldn't an option for the "art" of choice just be "insanely persuasive". Which also makes me wonder if you could have a writing focused bard who behaves more like a potion user than a typical spellcaster.
I'm a bit worried about losing the ability to write spells from spell scrolls for the Wizard. I know the lack of (traditional) preparation casting makes that a bit broken, but it was one of my favorite parts of the class. I've been suggesting my D&D group makes this switch, but I play a Wizard, and I'd be really sad to see that go. Having a little side-project to gather gold for and build towards is SUPER fun. Overall, I think the key difference between my vision of a Wizard and my vision of a Sorcerer is: Wizards have a lot of SPELLS, whereas a Sorcerer has less spells, but can cast those spells they DO have more often. Feel like you nailed the Sorcerer, a bit more worried about the Wizard. But maybe I missed something, idk. I also think the Warlock should remain... WEIRD as far as the Spellcasters go. Having less spell slots, but the spells you DO cast hit harder has always felt like a core part of the class. And will there be invocations? Making the switch from D&D to DC20 will be hard to pitch to the warlock player base if they lose out on something akin to Eldritch Invocations. I strongly recommend making the "life tap" and "life drain" parts at level 2 part of a specific subclass, like an Undead subclass, so the main-class can get invocations at level 2 instead. I really don't see Warlocks as "casts spells willy nilly" type casters, moreso saving them for the right moment, and unleashing the unimaginable might of their patron all at once. then maybe have a non-mana based system for the Warlock's spellcasting, because Mana feels tied to your specific character, but the magic of the Warlock is external. Feels like it clashes with the theming of the class imo. I think the 5e Warlock is the class that needed the LEAST change, at its core, except for maybe its "eldritch blast spam" thing, but I feel like it was completely stripped of its identity here, unfortunately.
I love the fantasy being created for the Warlock. The idea that it essentially is blood magic but with extra stuff is awesome. So many creators have made blood magic subclasses and it somewhat pigeonholes the caster. Making it part of a base class is so much better.
The only thing I’m kinda mixed on is stamina vs mana since one is renewable while the other is fixed per refresh, which can give more favor of one over the other depending on encounters per day for your group’s playstyle. Other than that, hell yeah I enjoy the interactivity of the spellcasting. God I hate the “spell slot” system, and as much as I adore PF2E I hate that they made it even clunkier
Fun Fact: that dance he was refering to is called a Haka (iirc) and would be done before battle as a means to threaten, taunt, talk mad shit all while hypeing up the warriors and getting them in the space for a fight!
This is so cool bc I've always wanted to make a character based on the lightning/electricity thug from Big Trouble in Little China and it looks like I can do that with DC20
I like DC20 a lot, but the cleric seems a bit generic. As a GM I really want to be able to design the gods of my world and having that design impact the cleric. Basically, how is a cleric of Zeus different from a cleric of Hades? Hopefully in more ways than a binary holy vs. unholy. Perhaps it will be clearer, when we see the subclasses...
I am SO excited for this! I've said for years that a distinction without a difference is irksome in RPGs; Sorcerers, Wizards, Clerics, all SHOULD have slightly (or even grossly) different mechanics for how spells are cast and recovered. I'm giddy over here, my guy! EDIT NOTE: I went back and hunted down the VOD: th-cam.com/video/CDBMH9nMtqQ/w-d-xo.html At 51 minutes, 30 seconds, I think the core of your notion for mechanical differences to arise because the classes ARE different was revealed.
This system is shaping up to be very interesting. I do wonder about the "health for power" abilities for warlock and to a lesser extent sorcerers. These kind of mechanics can be extremely swingy depending on the type of game you play. In my experience these type of cost can either be safely circumvented, or are to steep to actually use the feature.
You know, I added a "high level feat*" to Sorcerers in my system that allows them to Empower a Spell beyond the usual limits. However, it still costs additional Actions, and a basic but interesting interaction with the Initiative Action mechanic causes it to inflict exhaustion if you don't have near the amount of Action Points in order to cast the Spell at that higher level, or Tier (as I call it to reduce new player confusion). Kinda cool how we found a similar effect, despite making entirely different systems. *: High level here just means 5th Level, as that's when I believe a Party should start getting into the real meat of a Campaign instead of just setup.
The more I hear about this game, the more it reminds me of Pathfinder2e. And this is a good thing! Also I love that you are using the ORC Licens. (What reminded me this time was the Sorcerer using any spell school :) )
This game sounds fascinating! I'll definitely be watching how it all progresses. Just out of curiosity, are there plans for more variation in damage types, in spells? It seems very easy in DnD to make a pyromancer, due to the number of fire spells, but cold or lightning focused spell casters, for instance, have very limited options.
It's crazy how in sync we are about wizards. I've been annoyed ever since I learned D&D 5e about the pointlessness of half the Wizard Subclasses. It makes so much more sense for them to be BETTER at a given thing and have a magical discount rather than a material discount lol
Cool approach. Love how each class feels unique. I'm not sure how multiclassing works but I've gotta ask, if the classes are front loaded with most of their juicy bits, does that make multiclassing too powerful?
I feel like Warlocks should have more options in how they pay their contract. HP costs are valid, and it certainly works mechanically, but it doesn't make that much sense for it to be something applied across the board for all warlocks, since not all patrons would want payment in terms of life force. Patrons and their contracts are as individual as their Warlocks. It makes sense for a Lich (power for vitality), a Vampire (power for blood), a Fiend (power for your soul), an Old God (power for your sanity), and *some* Celestials (power for sacrifice), but there are patrons that would want something else entirely. Say you're a warlock to an Archfey. Maybe a Hag would be willing to accept payment by "borrowing" body parts, but a Seelie Fey would be more interested in their own entertainment. This could be represented by your Patron playing a "trick" on you in the form of a wild magic surge when you draw on their power. Say you're a warlock to a Dragon. Maybe some Dragons would want to take a bite out of you in exchange for power, but that's less typical for a Dragon than wanting some kind of material tribute. Gold, relics, mortal thralls, land... lots of ways to take that. More of a long-term cost than the other ones, but with the right tuning it's no less of a cost.
There's this villainous Bard I know that would work very well as a storyteller Bard. They were an excellent manipulator who could use their magic to literally weave the narrative as it happened. Not mind control, couldn't change the past, but could change _something_ in the immediate situation by narrating. Something simple, like forming an ice bridge to cross a chilling river, or something devious, like causing attacks to fail, because they said so. A cross of Sorcerer/Bard seems like it would suit them.
Also, why no mention of Psion in this video? I know Paladin is being removed for Magus but it seems weird to not mention Psion. Is that being removed too?
It was stated in a live stream that psion is being pushed back to a different release. It's not cut from the game entirely but is no longer going to be in the players handbook. It sounds like it will be in one of the early dc20 magazines though so hopefully we won't have to wait too long.
@@TheDungeonCoach Fair enough. If Psion is going to be on the back burner for a while, I do want to mention my main criticism of the class. I don’t think it’s clear on how the Psion obtains their powers in a different way than a Sorcerer. They seem to just be born with it which makes it the same as Sorcerer but with different abilities. It could be similar to Sorcerer like how Warlock and Cleric are similar but different or how Bards learn through practice while Wizards learn through study. Edit: I was thinking about this more. Maybe you can say Psion’s draw power from the power of an intelligent creature’s mind in the same way that Druids draw power from nature. Say the existence of intelligent creatures is itself a source that magic can be pulled from? That would also make it possible for anyone to just become one.
I think the naming here could be better, though I appreciate the ideas being proposed. Like, "once per long rest... but regain after rolling initiative" is needlesly verbose to mean "once per combat", like 4e did.
All this looks fantasttic and personaly I especialy like the druid grove feature. I always wanted druids to siply manipulate nature around them. My only "disagreement" is that sorcerer should have a way to give their life force for their magic since they themselfves are bound to magic in a more profound and natural way. More than warlocks. But I also understand why it was chosen as a warlock feature. I would argue that its probabaly more a sorcerer thing than a warlock thing but it comes down to personal preferance. Everything looks great either way 😊 Cant wait for the KS!
This is all D&D should have been! Even tho it's coming across continents and the shipping will be as much as the product itself, but I really love this!
Very small reflavor, but i don't think you need to specify for the wizard that the sigil has to be on the ground. I think it can just be anywhere in the 5-foot-square. Also sigils could potentially be plural. I think the core of the class fantasy for the wizard is the prepared spellcaster, which your mechanics catch quite well. I just think that I, and most people, would just prefer to imagine our wizard's magic as a series of incantations over a staff or book, with magic sigils flying off and floating in the air around us as we shoot of a lightning bolt. I think specifying the ground invokes a more niche fantasy of the summoning or ritual circle, which seems more witchy than wizardy. Also will inevitably raise questions for waterborne or airborne combat. So i think less details may be better.
Obviously flavor is free and we can do whatever we want, but I wish changing your pact boon was described more like taking a magic weapon you find and absorbing it's power into your pact boon. Rather than just making it your pact boon . Cause then it will always feel tied to the original pact with your patron
This system has so much promise I really can't wait for it to be out. My feedback is that I don't know where the wizard sigil magic comes from in a fantasy trope. I get that you have created something brand new, which is awesome and creative, but to win over D&D players certain classes like wizard will need to look familiar enough. My request, nay, my plea, is that the sigil system be made more flexible and work in something like the arcane focus (e.g wizard's staff) into it as an alternative. Perhaps in that case the sigil effect works the same (cost, duration etc) but is centered on the focus item and moves with the wizard. The difference between a ground sigil and an item one would be that a ground one can be used by other casters, which is cool. In any case I think the sigil system needs more discussion and thought. Thanks for reading!
Not that you're looking for assistance, but it might be better to break up exhaustion into smaller bites such as weakened, tired, lethargic. Your feature that recovered exhaustion on a short rest obtained from That feaure, implementation wise that seems clunky to keep track of, maybe tired and lethargic recovers on short rests inherently, while exhaustion and weakened recover on long rests. And maybe multiple instances or a lesser short rest condition evolves into long rest condition, whether set amount, (3 lethargic = 1 exhausted) or maybe as your character grows in power their tolerance of short rest conditions increase making it more difficult for short rest conditions to devolve into worst long rest conditons. It's also an easy way to refer to things being either a short rest condition, long rest condition, or a curse(something cured by special means and thus is permanent until cured)
I see some DnD 4e design here and I like it! "Bloodied Condition" - "Spend Rest Points in Combat"... That seems influenced from 4e Healing Surges.... and I LOVE IT... 4e was disliked mostly from rumors and too many changes from what people where familiar with... sure it had it's problems but every game has it's problems. And now... 4e is the ruleset that people plunder for goodies to add to their own game! PF2e and 5e actually have a lot of 4e DNA in it that people love but don't realize that it came from that "bad game" that they never played lol... MCDM is heavily inspired by 4e... and I'm happy to see some of what was birthed in 4e make it into DC20 :) Sorry for the ramble, I have a soft spot for 4e... to me 4e is like a bullied child and that just makes me want to care for it... 4e isn't as bad as people say it is... in fact, it's actually a really cool game that allows you to do really cool stuff!
NEED FEEDBACK! So I’m loving that the Cleric can be holy or evil divinity! In my TTRPG, Clerics are empathic beings that have a constant internal battle within themselves & their souls. Instead of worshipping 1 deity, you are a lower divine being paving your own path using a ‘Pathline’ system. The more evil deeds you do - the further the pathline goes down evil (stopping use of holy abilities the further down the evil pathline you go); same if you do good deeds like curing allie’s, your pathline would begin to go more holy. My question is, what would a good Class name be for this? Cleric just doesn’t seem to fit as they are not forced aligned to a specific (or any) deity. It’s all eternal conflict of morality (think of ‘Fable’), the more holy you are, the more you glow until you gain your halo - if you’re going down the evil path, you begin to have shadow smoke emanating from your skin until you gain your horn’s. Any ideas for a Class name? - Thank you in advance! 😊
Hey Coach, how about a third category of bard that lets them ignore material components, as long as the required components would not have had an associated cost or be consumed in the casting?
Not bad. I dig the alternative mechanics. The Sorc seems interesting. The wizard sigil seems like a 4e/WoW kind of effect. I might have to look more into this because while ad&d 2nd and 3.5 were just not as fun, 5e is just lacking in caster uniqueness.
It took me a minute to wrap by head around Mana Limit Break.. not that confusing but just the way it's worded made me double take lol. So basically it can be used once and recharges with a long rest or whenever initiative is rolled.... right?
I love how all of the casters has something special to bolster the way they cast spells. I know it is probably to much to ask for and probably not worth the time, but I would be willing to watch a 40 minute video going over the martials as well.
Yes!
Not a new concept, but glad he included it.
I had a first-time DC20 player for my session yesterday that played a sorcerer. When the party's Angelborn made the mistake to don some demonic armor, this player poured ALL FOUR AP -- and ALL HIS GRIT POINTS -- to pry the magic out of his friend's head, allowing the armor to be removed! EPIC MOMENTS!!!
EPIC STORY!!!
Almost misread that as ‘whenever the Angelborn downed demonic armor’. Which gave me the impression this was a common occurrence. XD
I'm imagining the angel borne has a face like Jonah Hex now
How did this play out? What and how many checks did they have to succeed?
@@Hari-du6pt the moment was too epic to leave it to chance. I just narrated the outcome
Can't wait for "How ALL Martials in DC20 are UNIQUE" video
Martials being good to play... a dream of any D&D player....
each one bonks in theirs own ways
@@lady_deaths_head Personally when I looked at the playtest doc my reaction was "DC20 fighters look cool as hell."
That's the goal right? They'll have their own resources and features, just like the spellcasters
We had it once
Unfortunately, it seems a rather vocal chunk are displeased when you're not doing Melee Basic Attack for every turn😔
I never was a fan of the bard, but hearing you describe it made me imagine a narrator bard with a deep voice that tells you a story of how he alters reality bringing the effects of a spell to life affecting the enemies and gave me chills.
Does he have a noble background? James, the Earl of Jones perhaps?
I thought of a wrestler announcer that would also summon wrestlers
Yep, Skalds are cool.
Finally someone that understands bards were actually the historians of the olden days.
When people could not get educated and go to school and write, everything's was passed down in oral traditions.
Story tellers were highly prizes in older times and indeed the still are as we are still captured by stories in a screen.
I'm playing a rabbitfolk bardtlemaster (Bard/Battlemaster) Who does that, but he's small and cute. So his voice is bright and determined instead of deep.
His magic is essentially manifesting the stories of heroes he grew up hearing about.
I think the word "points" is coming up more often than it needs to, it could just be me but i feel like you can convey the same message with just "manna", "stamina", "health", while keeping it for "rest point" and any other examples where adding points helps to get the meaning across. Just a thought 😊😊
couldn't agree more
I much prefer saying points than not. To me saying you can spend a mana feels like the nana is a physical thing like a coin or item. The nana or stamina aren't physical things. So having points to measure it feels better to me than saying there is a number of mana.
@@dracodominus2800but… points aren’t a physical thing either lol. It’s just a term used to refer to a certain value you can spend, the name itself is meaningless. What matters is avoiding overlap and making sure the name gives some indication of what it’s for. Going from Mana Points to Mana makes perfect sense
@@crystallxix1493 thats exactly my point. (No pun intended). Points are not a physical thing, just a measurement. But saying I spend 5 mana implies you have physical number of mana. Like for example saying use 24kw of electricity, instead of saying spend 24 electricity. The word 'point/s' becomes the measurement.
It's mana not manna it's magical energy not bread from heaven.
"Prepared Spell" sounds more like a "Signature Spell" to me, but I'm loving everything DC20 is bringing to the table.
He didn't really say it, but the rules text indicates that they can choose a different spell to become the Prepared Spell after every long rest. It's not really a spell that you're better than everyone else at forever, it's one that you read up on in the past day because you expect it to be useful soon.
@@Rinaldot67 A spell du jour, if you will
Been saving up some clams for the kick starter! Alan, Hope it goes HUGE and you are able to see your vision all the way through.
I appreciate that!! I truly do!!! 💜💜💜
I second this, brother! Go Coach!
YES! As a really old school wizard-phile I have been annoyed by all these classes stealing my thunder and mechanics. If they cast mechanically different that will make them feel like different class and not toe stepping on spell thieves.
Love the wizard being able to move the sigil! Wizard is my favorite 5e class, and I liked the idea of the sigil. But having to stand in one spot the whole battle didn't make much sense (though it did make the wizard an easier target).
I really like the contrast between the wizard and sorcerer, the wizard looks much more consistent while the sorcerer has the potential to do more damage but with more risk, I also like how the system of combining spells makes having two casters in would make them both feel good since the mechanics benefit teamwork.
Can't wait to test out the new rules for 0.7, and can't wait for the Kickstarter
Also, on the specific topic of the magic system, my only ask was switching from slots to mana, but you didn't just think outside of the box. You destroyed it! I love the ability to upgrade and flavor spells to the needs at the moment. Genius!
Realy love what you did here. All off these are really unique and instantly convay a destinct Mental Image, jet they not feeling limeting for the Flavor of individual Characters.
My only slight concern is that it seams a bit hard to track all of these individual Effects especially for newer Players.
Things like the Wizards Reduction having to be tracked separate from their Arcane Points despite having similar applications.
Finally I can play a painter bard! Painting spells onto the battlefield was such a cool idea and D&D had almost no way to live that fantasy
Very pumped for the KS! This is the single most promising RPG (for my particular taste) I have seen in a very long time. Speaking of magic: Do spells have material components? In my experience, no one ever pays those any mind and unless they're super expensive they don't matter. Not a fan.
This sneak peek of the 0.7 rules shows how you can and have elevated each class in their own unique, classical and respectful way
Keep up the good work Coach
Pact Armor is giving off mad Ironman vibes... Love it... Bad ass.
I really like the idea of a Bard who paints their spells in the air. It reminds me of Relm from Final Fantasy 6. I definitely have to play this Bard!
Brilliant way to make the casters FEEL different 👍
Very customisable so it seems you can really nail the power fantasy you're going for. :)
DC20 deserves to be popular. An elegant system.
KICKSTARTER!!!! LET'S GOOOO!!!!
I love the artwork on the thumbnail! Instead of only being elegant scholars, we should allow for spellcasters to be fierce channelers of power
I feel like I finally found what I was looking for in bards instruments being their only way to be a bard felt to limited
I really loved the Druid and this domain thing. You were so creative on that
Been saving for months for the KS. Can't wait!!!!
Base casters look strong!
“Fireball is not a divine spell.”
Elijah begs to differ. 😂
Gogo DC20 💜💜💜
Really looking forward to the kickstarter! Hopefully we get enough to bring down the action tracker price!
Thank you for the excellent preview! :)
signed, a future Kickstarter Backer.
One of my favorite things about the DC 20 0.7 preview is the Divine tag on Find Familiar. A huge gripe about 5e is the narrowness of the Cleric spells' scope, and I look forward to seeing what else they get.
2/3 of these rules exist in *TORMENTA20* for Spellcaster, but some of the differences are pretty cool.
love everything about this!
I have lost count of the features in DC20 that are mind blowingly brilliant! The Druid wild form allowing you to quickly piece together whatever animal you want is such a good idea! No more carrying around a stack of different stat blocks or taking 5 minutes to look up if a house cat has dark vision. You just decide that this particular house cat does and your good to go. Love it!
The amount of horror the Druid can become with the different traits. I imagine a Druid of rot turning into half skeletal abominations, the “Putrid Druid”
When you mentioned how a bard could just start talking once combat broke out i immediately thought of Mr.Hippo from fnaf.
Like imagine a fight breaks out and everyone pulls out magic weapons and begins casting spells and then the purple Hippo is just like. "My friend, you have met a terrible, terrible demise. But, uh, you know, I-I don’t feel too bad about it. After all, if- if it weren’t from me, it would have just been from someone else, ya know? I guess what I’m trying to say is life, life goes on. W- well, from- for everyone else, life goes on. Not- not for you, you’re, you're dead."
I wouldn't be able to handle it.
I remember my first bard. He was an Orator who told stories which came to live.
We have almost always played with bards using their arts to cast magic. Most often it is through sound, but not always.
(We once had a baker Bard who inspired though promises of Good food and such things :P )
Not going to lie; the idea of the bard breaking into a haka at the start of combat sets a freaking tone you don't get out of.
I really love the prime stat idea for how it handles different takes on magic. D&D has used mental stats for casting for so long its assumed, but when we look at magic in media there are some really fun physical casters. Anime is full of physical characters like Natsu Dragneel and Mereoleona Vermillion who built monsterous bodys to be able to withstand and channel powerful magic. Likewise there are concepts like water and air benders as well as various spell dancers that imply a very dexterous casting style.
On a similar note characters like Superman, All Might, or even the Hulk often act as the bard, inspiring their team through acts of sheer physical strength. These characters are appreciated for their strength but often the greatest effect they have is inspiring their team and showing their is hope.
I need to see a finished product before i decide whether this will be my next main system, but i love so many of the concepts you have come up with. Inherently balancing stats before tying them to class features really freed you to have a lot of fun elsewhere.
My feedback to WotC for Druid wildshape was to create a central star block then allow players to add specific animal traits (spider web, scorpion poison, whatever). It’s huge for me that this is the way in DC20.
I think it’s a really good thing that I can’t make a choice. They’re all so damn good and the potential for fun in all of them. You’re such a different journey in a different ride slipping in a theme park. I want to ride all the rides but just one and each one will be an experience onto itself, such a good job. I can’t wait for the kickstart I’m sold.
0.7 Hype!!
Omg i just got inspired to play druid and bard again! Got it all figured out: play an intro of inspiration as verses, followed by battle choruses, and tendrils of vines will deliver lightning to shock them while i switch songs back and forth until an emotional bridge 🎸🎶🤘
June 4th can't hit soon enough!!!
This sounds great. I wish you nothing but the greatest of luck with this.
One of the things I had pointed out to me once while playing back in the 3.5 days is that Oratory was also an option among performance skills, so you can also have a public speaking / rhetoric focused bard - whether you want to make that a politician, a sophist, a prolific educator, Gnome Socrates, the possibilities are really quite open - but I always loved that idea conceptually that hey it's a charisma based class why shouldn't an option for the "art" of choice just be "insanely persuasive". Which also makes me wonder if you could have a writing focused bard who behaves more like a potion user than a typical spellcaster.
I'm a bit worried about losing the ability to write spells from spell scrolls for the Wizard. I know the lack of (traditional) preparation casting makes that a bit broken, but it was one of my favorite parts of the class. I've been suggesting my D&D group makes this switch, but I play a Wizard, and I'd be really sad to see that go. Having a little side-project to gather gold for and build towards is SUPER fun.
Overall, I think the key difference between my vision of a Wizard and my vision of a Sorcerer is: Wizards have a lot of SPELLS, whereas a Sorcerer has less spells, but can cast those spells they DO have more often. Feel like you nailed the Sorcerer, a bit more worried about the Wizard. But maybe I missed something, idk.
I also think the Warlock should remain... WEIRD as far as the Spellcasters go. Having less spell slots, but the spells you DO cast hit harder has always felt like a core part of the class. And will there be invocations? Making the switch from D&D to DC20 will be hard to pitch to the warlock player base if they lose out on something akin to Eldritch Invocations.
I strongly recommend making the "life tap" and "life drain" parts at level 2 part of a specific subclass, like an Undead subclass, so the main-class can get invocations at level 2 instead. I really don't see Warlocks as "casts spells willy nilly" type casters, moreso saving them for the right moment, and unleashing the unimaginable might of their patron all at once.
then maybe have a non-mana based system for the Warlock's spellcasting, because Mana feels tied to your specific character, but the magic of the Warlock is external. Feels like it clashes with the theming of the class imo.
I think the 5e Warlock is the class that needed the LEAST change, at its core, except for maybe its "eldritch blast spam" thing, but I feel like it was completely stripped of its identity here, unfortunately.
I love the fantasy being created for the Warlock. The idea that it essentially is blood magic but with extra stuff is awesome. So many creators have made blood magic subclasses and it somewhat pigeonholes the caster. Making it part of a base class is so much better.
The only thing I’m kinda mixed on is stamina vs mana since one is renewable while the other is fixed per refresh, which can give more favor of one over the other depending on encounters per day for your group’s playstyle.
Other than that, hell yeah I enjoy the interactivity of the spellcasting. God I hate the “spell slot” system, and as much as I adore PF2E I hate that they made it even clunkier
Fun Fact: that dance he was refering to is called a Haka (iirc) and would be done before battle as a means to threaten, taunt, talk mad shit all while hypeing up the warriors and getting them in the space for a fight!
Having a druid control the battlefield like that sounds amazing. It makes them stand out so much!
This is so good! 💯 nailed warlock.. really felt the Gul’dan vibes… and the bard counter charm.. chef kiss
Hell yeah... SO excited. I "liked" this video right away, and I wanna thumbs up it again and again with each new class you're describing.
I’m really excited for this even if I’ll have no one to play it with :P I wish you luck in the kickstarter
I feel like "once per combat" is more accurate to what you're wanting the tag to mean than "once per long rest (resets in combat)"
I think the main reason is to prevent spamming those feats outside of combat.
This is so cool bc I've always wanted to make a character based on the lightning/electricity thug from Big Trouble in Little China and it looks like I can do that with DC20
I like DC20 a lot, but the cleric seems a bit generic. As a GM I really want to be able to design the gods of my world and having that design impact the cleric. Basically, how is a cleric of Zeus different from a cleric of Hades? Hopefully in more ways than a binary holy vs. unholy. Perhaps it will be clearer, when we see the subclasses...
The subclasses will be HUGE for what you are talking about, so what you mentioned was exactly the challenge the cleric was to create 😅
OOH the druid grove thing is cool! What about in a cave situation and growing it along the wall then ceiling to bypass a pit or something?
I am SO excited for this! I've said for years that a distinction without a difference is irksome in RPGs; Sorcerers, Wizards, Clerics, all SHOULD have slightly (or even grossly) different mechanics for how spells are cast and recovered.
I'm giddy over here, my guy!
EDIT NOTE: I went back and hunted down the VOD: th-cam.com/video/CDBMH9nMtqQ/w-d-xo.html
At 51 minutes, 30 seconds, I think the core of your notion for mechanical differences to arise because the classes ARE different was revealed.
This system is shaping up to be very interesting. I do wonder about the "health for power" abilities for warlock and to a lesser extent sorcerers. These kind of mechanics can be extremely swingy depending on the type of game you play. In my experience these type of cost can either be safely circumvented, or are to steep to actually use the feature.
You know, I added a "high level feat*" to Sorcerers in my system that allows them to Empower a Spell beyond the usual limits. However, it still costs additional Actions, and a basic but interesting interaction with the Initiative Action mechanic causes it to inflict exhaustion if you don't have near the amount of Action Points in order to cast the Spell at that higher level, or Tier (as I call it to reduce new player confusion).
Kinda cool how we found a similar effect, despite making entirely different systems.
*: High level here just means 5th Level, as that's when I believe a Party should start getting into the real meat of a Campaign instead of just setup.
this project is so exciting
OMG I want a Mime Bard, act out batting an imaginary baseball for it to become a fireball
The more I hear about this game, the more it reminds me of Pathfinder2e. And this is a good thing! Also I love that you are using the ORC Licens.
(What reminded me this time was the Sorcerer using any spell school :) )
Is there a reason that you can’t choose a spell tag for spell school initiate? I’m assuming it would just be too powerful.
Correct! That might be an option once the spell tag system is in place, but currently, yea I think you could get too specific
Yay!!!!
6:00 anyone else think of Exploooooooosion from Konosuba?
This all sounds awesome. Would love to see Psionics though. Always has fascinated me
This game sounds fascinating! I'll definitely be watching how it all progresses. Just out of curiosity, are there plans for more variation in damage types, in spells? It seems very easy in DnD to make a pyromancer, due to the number of fire spells, but cold or lightning focused spell casters, for instance, have very limited options.
It's crazy how in sync we are about wizards. I've been annoyed ever since I learned D&D 5e about the pointlessness of half the Wizard Subclasses. It makes so much more sense for them to be BETTER at a given thing and have a magical discount rather than a material discount lol
Cool approach. Love how each class feels unique. I'm not sure how multiclassing works but I've gotta ask, if the classes are front loaded with most of their juicy bits, does that make multiclassing too powerful?
I feel like Warlocks should have more options in how they pay their contract. HP costs are valid, and it certainly works mechanically, but it doesn't make that much sense for it to be something applied across the board for all warlocks, since not all patrons would want payment in terms of life force. Patrons and their contracts are as individual as their Warlocks.
It makes sense for a Lich (power for vitality), a Vampire (power for blood), a Fiend (power for your soul), an Old God (power for your sanity), and *some* Celestials (power for sacrifice), but there are patrons that would want something else entirely.
Say you're a warlock to an Archfey. Maybe a Hag would be willing to accept payment by "borrowing" body parts, but a Seelie Fey would be more interested in their own entertainment. This could be represented by your Patron playing a "trick" on you in the form of a wild magic surge when you draw on their power.
Say you're a warlock to a Dragon. Maybe some Dragons would want to take a bite out of you in exchange for power, but that's less typical for a Dragon than wanting some kind of material tribute. Gold, relics, mortal thralls, land... lots of ways to take that. More of a long-term cost than the other ones, but with the right tuning it's no less of a cost.
There's this villainous Bard I know that would work very well as a storyteller Bard. They were an excellent manipulator who could use their magic to literally weave the narrative as it happened. Not mind control, couldn't change the past, but could change _something_ in the immediate situation by narrating. Something simple, like forming an ice bridge to cross a chilling river, or something devious, like causing attacks to fail, because they said so. A cross of Sorcerer/Bard seems like it would suit them.
Also, why no mention of Psion in this video? I know Paladin is being removed for Magus but it seems weird to not mention Psion. Is that being removed too?
It was stated in a live stream that psion is being pushed back to a different release. It's not cut from the game entirely but is no longer going to be in the players handbook. It sounds like it will be in one of the early dc20 magazines though so hopefully we won't have to wait too long.
Psion got the cut and will be moved to a Psionic Expansion release in the near future! 💜😓
@@TheDungeonCoach Fair enough. If Psion is going to be on the back burner for a while, I do want to mention my main criticism of the class. I don’t think it’s clear on how the Psion obtains their powers in a different way than a Sorcerer. They seem to just be born with it which makes it the same as Sorcerer but with different abilities. It could be similar to Sorcerer like how Warlock and Cleric are similar but different or how Bards learn through practice while Wizards learn through study.
Edit: I was thinking about this more. Maybe you can say Psion’s draw power from the power of an intelligent creature’s mind in the same way that Druids draw power from nature. Say the existence of intelligent creatures is itself a source that magic can be pulled from? That would also make it possible for anyone to just become one.
Youre welcome. Im so glad I-- i mean we made this possible.
I think the naming here could be better, though I appreciate the ideas being proposed. Like, "once per long rest... but regain after rolling initiative" is needlesly verbose to mean "once per combat", like 4e did.
Overlord magic sounds like magical rage awesome
All this looks fantasttic and personaly I especialy like the druid grove feature.
I always wanted druids to siply manipulate nature around them.
My only "disagreement" is that sorcerer should have a way to give their life force for their magic since they themselfves are bound to magic in a more profound and natural way.
More than warlocks.
But I also understand why it was chosen as a warlock feature.
I would argue that its probabaly more a sorcerer thing than a warlock thing but it comes down to personal preferance.
Everything looks great either way 😊
Cant wait for the KS!
I've always been a wizard fan in 5e.. so it feels weird to see sorcerers and actually feel jealous of their features, lol
Can I recommend you come up with a set of regular symbols for the various point systems? It really would make the walls of text easier to read.
This is all D&D should have been! Even tho it's coming across continents and the shipping will be as much as the product itself, but I really love this!
1:58 - oh... just realized I missed early bonuses by a few hours... dangit.
Very small reflavor, but i don't think you need to specify for the wizard that the sigil has to be on the ground. I think it can just be anywhere in the 5-foot-square. Also sigils could potentially be plural. I think the core of the class fantasy for the wizard is the prepared spellcaster, which your mechanics catch quite well. I just think that I, and most people, would just prefer to imagine our wizard's magic as a series of incantations over a staff or book, with magic sigils flying off and floating in the air around us as we shoot of a lightning bolt. I think specifying the ground invokes a more niche fantasy of the summoning or ritual circle, which seems more witchy than wizardy. Also will inevitably raise questions for waterborne or airborne combat. So i think less details may be better.
Obviously flavor is free and we can do whatever we want, but I wish changing your pact boon was described more like taking a magic weapon you find and absorbing it's power into your pact boon. Rather than just making it your pact boon . Cause then it will always feel tied to the original pact with your patron
Still didnt read the PDF. But, going only by this vídeo, druid is my favorite flavor and mechanic wise 27:12
This system has so much promise I really can't wait for it to be out. My feedback is that I don't know where the wizard sigil magic comes from in a fantasy trope. I get that you have created something brand new, which is awesome and creative, but to win over D&D players certain classes like wizard will need to look familiar enough. My request, nay, my plea, is that the sigil system be made more flexible and work in something like the arcane focus (e.g wizard's staff) into it as an alternative. Perhaps in that case the sigil effect works the same (cost, duration etc) but is centered on the focus item and moves with the wizard. The difference between a ground sigil and an item one would be that a ground one can be used by other casters, which is cool. In any case I think the sigil system needs more discussion and thought. Thanks for reading!
Magic sigils like that are VERY common in fantasy anime and a lot of video games
Not that you're looking for assistance, but it might be better to break up exhaustion into smaller bites such as weakened, tired, lethargic. Your feature that recovered exhaustion on a short rest obtained from That feaure, implementation wise that seems clunky to keep track of, maybe tired and lethargic recovers on short rests inherently, while exhaustion and weakened recover on long rests. And maybe multiple instances or a lesser short rest condition evolves into long rest condition, whether set amount, (3 lethargic = 1 exhausted) or maybe as your character grows in power their tolerance of short rest conditions increase making it more difficult for short rest conditions to devolve into worst long rest conditons. It's also an easy way to refer to things being either a short rest condition, long rest condition, or a curse(something cured by special means and thus is permanent until cured)
I love this. I live your excitement 🎉
I see some DnD 4e design here and I like it! "Bloodied Condition" - "Spend Rest Points in Combat"... That seems influenced from 4e Healing Surges.... and I LOVE IT... 4e was disliked mostly from rumors and too many changes from what people where familiar with... sure it had it's problems but every game has it's problems. And now... 4e is the ruleset that people plunder for goodies to add to their own game! PF2e and 5e actually have a lot of 4e DNA in it that people love but don't realize that it came from that "bad game" that they never played lol... MCDM is heavily inspired by 4e... and I'm happy to see some of what was birthed in 4e make it into DC20 :) Sorry for the ramble, I have a soft spot for 4e... to me 4e is like a bullied child and that just makes me want to care for it... 4e isn't as bad as people say it is... in fact, it's actually a really cool game that allows you to do really cool stuff!
Dnd 5e walked so that DC20 could run!
Snap this is SO much better and so EPIC.
GM permitting, I will use this to play a bardybuilder. Pure Might bard who casts spells by silently flexing.
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So I’m loving that the Cleric can be holy or evil divinity! In my TTRPG, Clerics are empathic beings that have a constant internal battle within themselves & their souls. Instead of worshipping 1 deity, you are a lower divine being paving your own path using a ‘Pathline’ system. The more evil deeds you do - the further the pathline goes down evil (stopping use of holy abilities the further down the evil pathline you go); same if you do good deeds like curing allie’s, your pathline would begin to go more holy.
My question is, what would a good Class name be for this? Cleric just doesn’t seem to fit as they are not forced aligned to a specific (or any) deity. It’s all eternal conflict of morality (think of ‘Fable’), the more holy you are, the more you glow until you gain your halo - if you’re going down the evil path, you begin to have shadow smoke emanating from your skin until you gain your horn’s. Any ideas for a Class name? - Thank you in advance! 😊
Any news on when the kickstarter hits?
May 🤔 June the fourth 🤔 be with you. Lets go DC20. Hope the Kickstarter’s gonna be HUGE!!!!! DC20 FTW!
Hey Coach, how about a third category of bard that lets them ignore material components, as long as the required components would not have had an associated cost or be consumed in the casting?
Man I love this system. Can’t wait for the Kickstarter. Only thing I wish is it had a better name (“DC20” won’t entice folx).
Hi, just discovered this project. Is there gonna be a class like artificer/inventor, focused on creating magic items?
Not bad. I dig the alternative mechanics. The Sorc seems interesting. The wizard sigil seems like a 4e/WoW kind of effect. I might have to look more into this because while ad&d 2nd and 3.5 were just not as fun, 5e is just lacking in caster uniqueness.
It took me a minute to wrap by head around Mana Limit Break.. not that confusing but just the way it's worded made me double take lol. So basically it can be used once and recharges with a long rest or whenever initiative is rolled.... right?
You talking about casting spells using your life force. Will we be getting Occultist Class or Hemocraft?