We gave it a good try I feel like. There is definitely something there, but it gets drown out by the annoyances. The channeling, the running laps to buy units, the dysfunctional multiplayer reward system. Added on top of the "streamer specific" negatives, I'm gonna move on from this mechanic and play the actual game. New build today on stream (an old friend if you will). Thanks for watching!
Yeah, the league mechanic would be 100% better if there was two boards on each side of the tournament entrance. One for items, the other for units. Buy everything there, no lap. Also, I think the damage we do to the units is fine, but the scaling of THEIR damage shouldn't increase. We should just never get one shot'd. Plus, we should be able to upgrade our character in the Halls with some added mechanics where when you win tournaments, you can choose an upgrade for your character. Ex; Reduce death timer, increased damage while all escorts are alive, etcetcetc. tota is REALLY nice, but they could've done it 100 times better, no doubt. After a certain ranking, it becomes a chore more than it is fun. Rewards are really fun and you're always excited to see what you will get, but you're rarely excited to engage the mechanic past a certain ranking, which I think is sad, since the mechanic could be so much more :)
@@TheMickkbGreat comment! Hopefully GGG will actually try to improve playing the league mechanic. Yes, the massive reward buff made it playable but hopefully they do allocate resources into making it time well spent. Otherwise it’s just another on the pile of abandoned and unpopular leagues that could have been good and then the initial resources would have been a waste. With all the voice acting and some new assets I‘m inclined to think this will get more attention but we’ll see.
@@borderm94 I can confirm. The suffering in TotA is nothing compared to the suffering of being a crafter. Oh nice, you hit the 1/10 on the first try, now just hit the 50/50. Then you fail, and you fail again, and again. The 1/10 now takes 30 tries to hit again. The 50/50 after that takes 6 tries to finally hit. And then you check the market and realise you could have bought the exact same item, but 20 divines cheaper. Yeah, TotA is a breeze.
@@JanDarkyyIt takes too long to rank up and it doesn't share with character. I'd love to play in 1000+ where the reward is probably better but taking so long ranking up and not being able to share progress between characters sucks.
@@JanDarkyy Because it takes TOO LONG. Imagine playing JUST TotA for 30-50 hours, just to get to rank 500-600 (which is still nothing compared to 1.5k+). And that's when the "fun" is supposed to begin. Preparing almost 1-2 weeks worth of gameplay for casuals on JUST the league mechanic is insane and dumb. 95% of people wont make it that far. A league mechanic isn't supposed to take you 5 weeks into the league for it to get rolling. That combined with the insane oneshots that make you stare at a blank screen not playing is just not fun gameplay imo.
the annoyance is the only reason i dropped this mechanic, mapping is just so much more enjoyable, i couldnt even care if i get a mageblood 10 times quikcer through ancestor
It was nice hearing the reasoning behind why you stopped the mechanic, not just giving in for "Stream content" or whatever, having fun >> pretty much anything else. Also huge props to Bazuka, not only for his gigabrain moments as usual, but for being positive and supportive.
People going around basically harassing streamers about not liking the mechanic are morons, but I also have to say it is incredibly boring to watch and makes you tune out. Its not particulary engaging when doing it yourself, so just watching it is even worse. So I get when Empy says its "streamer related".
It’s good to be honest about these things and while TOTA is fun for me in bursts I agree with the criticisms. What I‘d like to see is GGG leaning into PoE‘s strengths with future leagues, not shoehorning in mediocre versions of popular game concepts. They have done it so well in the past with the likes of Legion, Sentinel or Delve.
But then again this is why people love this game a lot, even you get bored out of your mind by doing maps over and over you have new stuff to do. GL in whatever next project is!
What I loved about this mechanic is that you need absolutely 0 setup, so it was great to get my build to a point where I could run t16s, but now I do not see myself going back..
I believe no mechanic (or game) should be designed so your character stays dead while it keeps playing itself. I won some matches while my totem was dead, it felt really bad. Also I hate that often you are hitting some enemy with insane HPs and it just ignores you and goes to get a totem, gets stunned, repeats until the totem is dead.
I've been playing with friends and really like the gameplay of it, but missing the rewards most of the time and having to switch host to rank up seperately are annoying. Guess it really is a lot more enjoyable for 2 hours at a time in the evening rather than 8 hours straight. And of course I don't have to suffer the streamer specific problems. I totally understand why you'd stop with the mechanic as is atm. Hope you are having fun with TS :)
What happen when a league get buffed and everyone at the same time is running it? Whatever the reward is decline in value. I got my +1 int a tiny bit too early, I paid 3 divs for it. Once the league got buffed, it almost instantly declined to 1 div. Now I found one and I couldn't sell it for 1 div. I waited and lowered the price to 0.9 to get it sold. The type of reward do not matter, in Heist people had geared up to drop a ton of exalts. As a result, exalt for a day or two dropped to some ridiculous low of 25c per. So you'd find lots of exalts, but their value eroded. So even when the reward is the main trading currency, too much supply of it at once drop the value. It had created so much extra currency that everything was worthless. 10+ regrets per chaos, 10+ gcps per chaos, 10+ vaals per chaos, 3 sextants per chaos. 2-300 chisels per chaos. Chisels were less valuable than a scroll of wisdom. All farming strats end up like that. Once too many do the same thing, whatever reward structure is in place, those rewards will become less valuable in total chaos value. Crucible was a league you didn't bother to really invest time into. I did, it was the most rewarding mechanic once you were doing it right. Adding trees on certain uniques and crafting various trees quickly through it. Easily 35 divs an hour running Forges, even just providing bases for others to work from. Mechanic was not popular, so those who did invest time doing it won big. This league people say it is rewarding, everyone does it, so the net profit decline. I do mechanics more often when people tell me it's no good... and because they claim it's not good, it is.
I there's a very simple way to fix the league mechanic for high ranking - allow players to buy things with favor that buff the player themselves, guaranteed block next attack items to stop one shots, increase damage for the rest of the tournament, fire additional proj, gain 1000 armor or just some stuff to buy with favor to buff the player. Maybe even make this a rpg aspect of the game where these types of items stay with you permanently inside the tournament halls and dont reset per tourny and you can upgrade them kinda like delve.
I got to the same rank as empy solo, the main annoyance for me is the un-telegraphed one shots, I don't mind dying to one shots if it was my fault I was in it, GGG does this all the time, the only way they can think of making the game challenging is to trick you to your death, it feels so dumb.
The mechanic is fine in survivability for like the first ~400 ranks, then is just, ah you died, who adjusted the numbers on this? Heard the only viable def mechanics are evasion+spelldodge+block no matter how much you mitigate, the base numbers are so high, getting oneshot isnt difficuly, is unfairness
This is one of those league mechanics that I feel like could be amazing if they just tweaked it. Like, they dont have to do any crazy changes to it. My idea for this would be: - being able to access all vendors with the "league mechanic button" if you are in the room, kinda like Heist. - up the rewards on the lower end (basically not giving people 15 jewelers orbs but like something meatier) - tweak the numbers on enemies and allies, cause the allies are only good at capturing and barely at fighting, and my god some enemies are overpowered as hell (maybe Id make all enemies less tanky as well, but maybe thats just me)
less tanky and longer time to revive as well, there are some points where you are stuck at a point where nothing really happens, and endless loop of killing things and others spawning and there is no progress
and yet you've been kinda "lucky" with loots, i've reached 650 without hiting a SINGLE good omen nor tattoo, 3 days of farm as a poor soloplayer for ~ 5div
I feel that, I didn't get see any "big ticket items" until I was ~1000. Since that, I've gotten like raw single/4div drops, 2 +1 Proj (lost 1 because Ahuana is busted and annoying af), and some mediocre tattoos. Pushing close to 1,500 and not really seeing a difference in loot.
forget tota, go mapping with something like ritual + harvest or harvest+ expedition. easy money i run ritual + blight, just love blight mechanic, and with my dex staker siege ballista its super easy
Guys dont be unfair :P that league mechanic is just something different. If you place your Team correctly (items, positions and people) you dont need to do anything. Im pretty new to this game and i gotta be honest. I made most profit with that league mechanic. I think about 25 Div. I wouldnt get that mich from Maps (maybe im just too slow or i dont have a clue how to Atlas and Juice correctly :) Good Drops to all of u :)
I reached rank 1200+, I got one unnatural instinct as big drops, a few winged scarabs and a few 3 div reward, 2 seven years bad luck. I roughly made about 30 div total in that grinding to rank 1200, what actually ruining my experience is a bug where when you destroy a totem, sometime the units will not die, and stay on the ground, even after reloading the zone with control click, and even after winning the tournament, I stacked 4 different unit that would stay alive even after their totem being destroy, and adding 4 more mobs that can, one shot you, interrupt you, and focus your totem litteraly at the very beginning because they are not bound to their totem like the others and can spawn on yours, is not a good bug, bug that they introduced in 3.22.0b Hotfix 4, WHICH WASN'T present before, and I can assure you that it wasn't, as I did not see while I grind to 1100 but the hotfix came after that
just want to add on why specifically i don't like this mechanic: i'm playing wardloop and self hit damage from heartbound loops breaks totem channeling, so i literally can't engage with it and destroy totems, i'm instantly getting self stunned-out of it.
Hey empy! Good luck with whatever you decide to do next :) in the end, this is a game and you should play it the way so that you’re having fun! P.S watching this stream was lowkey frustrating because I could feel frustration coming from you through the stream even though you tried to keep it as positive as possible! Can’t wait to see what comes next :) P.S.S maybe wanna try beating the hall of grandmasters now that GGNoobs is out? 🙃
I completely understand the SCT juicer finding it not worth or inefficient. The HCSFF experience feels completely busted and broken rewards. Ive seen more unique loot than i have ever seen in all 3k hours i have. Today alone i got Brass dome and taste of hate and 10 6 -links. The creating a non meta CC build is really fun aswell. I want this to go core with a atlas node that disables the player and makes it true auto battler like blight xD
@@NoName-mi8js but its soo inconsistent, like i got 5 divs at rank 620, then until trank 1100 i didnt get anything valuable , then i tried sanctum and while the peak rewards are not enormous like tota, it feels more consistent like arond 100 -200 C per run
it's just not fun for me at least , my build is really tanky prob can tank uber slam. but normal mob auto attack swing me down in 1hit , it's just not fun.
i feel like they completely forgot what fun is when making everything about this mechanic, then just jacked the rewards and even though its still not more rewarding than other stuff it's big ticket things that look awesome so people's feeble minds get baited into "enjoying" it
I think it is a nice mechanic and would like it being implemented in the core game. They probably won't need to balance much to do so (maybe, maybe, the tatoos, but I don't see any that are overpowered). About the next build, I wanderer what it will be. Int would be nice for us to get any more tips.
I can't say that I am enjoying the league mechanic. It just isn't rewarding enough for the time commitment. I could map and get more loot and xp faster. I miss ultimatum...
the respawn timer is insane. Imagine having to wait 10 to 20 seconds at every single door in Heist, while not being able to do anything. People think heist is a "chore" mechanic but this is so much worse.
Still waiting to see if Empy can make Animate Wands viable now that wands have flat-damage bases? It does mean filling your inventory with wands over and over though... and the build has to sustain skill duration for a long time... but if anyone can make it work... it's this team, right?
This was kind of my reaction to the league mechanic, it feels alright until you can't do as much and start getting 1 shot by everything. The feeling happened to me around the same place at about 500 ranking as well, and it feels like if you don't run a build specifically to do tota it really doesn't feel great. The problem really did feel like rewards are extremely bad until around that 500-600 mark which is when it starts getting annoying/boring to do.
I mean, fair enough, if it doesnt suit you or what you enjoy or your stream environment then no point in doing it. I've heard some enjoy it, some dislike it, the league is still cool overall with the new items, sanctum, new atlas keystones, so lots to do still!
That bike spokes guy really stroking that ego while empy is venting his grievances about the mechanic and chat was just the icing on the cake to prove his point on how aids it is to be a streamer sometimes.
imagine if they didnt buffed rewards... this league mechanic came out so bad and we hit a wall very fast with minions taking forever to die while at the same time one shotting characters. I'd say it's "ok" bellow 400. Idk how to reset ranking. Wish I could go back to 200 and keep winning effortly, climb to 350-400, reset again etc
You can get house of mirrors and doctors at 200+. People told me rewards start ramping at 200+ 300+ 400+ 500+ 600+ as soon as i was close to that. I’m not waiting for more ramp :D
This POE season mechanic have potential but its long way to achieve lvl of pvp mechanics from Diablo Immortal. Maybe at PoE2 GGG will take up the glove :)
In this video, empy is ruined by group farm rewards lol. Following guides for which units are best in which slot and which tribes provide best reward is nothing new with target farming a league mechanic... You'd rather just pick random units and put them in slots their skills are not matched for and hope for good rewards if not targetting the correct tribes? Cmon dood
mechanic is just a bad combo of slow loot gains and a slow playing mechanic when I can simply blast maps and get loot while feeling like im actually doing something
me and my teamate push rank 1000 , we made 3 divine in 40+ hours We like the league mechanic but please remove the Damage reduction.... We are cap at dealing 0.2% of people hp while any RF instakill anything (we talking about 650K EHP aurabot against degen fire and he instant dies).
I'm at rank 1750~ and feels like I can't move much higher, it's slow already (started playing the mechanic a little after the rewards were buffed), it's cool, something different and pretty rewarding too, but I don't get the idea of what you are supposed to do when you hit the wall as you can't move horizontally like in delve. You are supposed to downgrade in rank or just stop playing it? No idea
Every league mech like delve , heist or TOTA need their own builds. so u guys still couldn't find that builds. I am sitting on 2k and i can complete 1 tournament(7-8round) in 11min (+/-1overall) and no i am not playing stun, knockback,minion, tank,frost wall etc and playing solo.
@@Vyndrill Heist is played but fraction of people, in delve you can move horizontally balacing the difficulty. If this league mechanic is not meant to be played by everyone that's cool, I'm still in privileged possition with my build choice but I get why people can dislike the mechanic.
As a console player these really complicated league mechanic and how long it takes to do the mechanic is horrible..we need easy to do mechanics like legion
1, the patch isn’t out yet, 2, they could release 200 new tattoos it wouldn’t make me continue this way. Maybe i’ll revisit at a later date but unlikely.
Hey Empy, I thought Exilence Next closed?? It was my favorite program and I HATE Poestack, has exilence next been taken over by someone else and still working? Please tell me yes
dead league mechanic yikes. I havent even touched it all league because its just so stupid. You see all the beta testers in Reddit showing how to do it efficiently then GGG patching/nerfing/'fixing' the solution and making it tedious. But then watching Empy with his squad and with his friend getting ZERO LOOT and ZERO PROGRESS on everyone else's ranking really shows how stupid this is. Why cant we just get ultimatum back? Sentinel back? This mechanic is like Heist in that lots of effort went in to making it a stand alone product. It just needs another 6months of testing to finally get it up to par considering Heist took them two launches.
Rewards are shit, gameplay gets boring pretty fast, need very specific build and playstyle to push it higher and worst of all its not shared between characters. I've interacted with the league mech for like maybe 2 hours total but it's just too... boring and bad.. sanctum on the other hand, pretty fun and prints money. its sanctum league for me, didn't get to play it much during sanctum cause i was playing rf so it was horrible + hated having to run 12 maps to continue. now that i can just buy sanctums and live in sanctum, its perfect.
I hate this league and I'm one of the Lucky bastards that got the 3 doctor drops ... best drop in the game so far after 2k hours player and still hate this league .
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We gave it a good try I feel like. There is definitely something there, but it gets drown out by the annoyances. The channeling, the running laps to buy units, the dysfunctional multiplayer reward system. Added on top of the "streamer specific" negatives, I'm gonna move on from this mechanic and play the actual game. New build today on stream (an old friend if you will).
Thanks for watching!
Yeah, the league mechanic would be 100% better if there was two boards on each side of the tournament entrance. One for items, the other for units. Buy everything there, no lap.
Also, I think the damage we do to the units is fine, but the scaling of THEIR damage shouldn't increase. We should just never get one shot'd. Plus, we should be able to upgrade our character in the Halls with some added mechanics where when you win tournaments, you can choose an upgrade for your character. Ex; Reduce death timer, increased damage while all escorts are alive, etcetcetc.
tota is REALLY nice, but they could've done it 100 times better, no doubt. After a certain ranking, it becomes a chore more than it is fun. Rewards are really fun and you're always excited to see what you will get, but you're rarely excited to engage the mechanic past a certain ranking, which I think is sad, since the mechanic could be so much more :)
power siphon inc :D
Good decision. This is actual cancer if you're playing solo
@@TheMickkbGreat comment! Hopefully GGG will actually try to improve playing the league mechanic. Yes, the massive reward buff made it playable but hopefully they do allocate resources into making it time well spent. Otherwise it’s just another on the pile of abandoned and unpopular leagues that could have been good and then the initial resources would have been a waste.
With all the voice acting and some new assets I‘m inclined to think this will get more attention but we’ll see.
yea running around to buy the units or rewards is uber annoying.
Bazuka's such a good bloke. That positive after 12 hours of TotA is incredible.
Man has had his brain broken from crafting so many weird crafts. 12 hours of TotA must feel like a walk through a flowery field for him lol
@@borderm94 I can confirm. The suffering in TotA is nothing compared to the suffering of being a crafter.
Oh nice, you hit the 1/10 on the first try, now just hit the 50/50.
Then you fail, and you fail again, and again.
The 1/10 now takes 30 tries to hit again. The 50/50 after that takes 6 tries to finally hit. And then you check the market and realise you could have bought the exact same item, but 20 divines cheaper.
Yeah, TotA is a breeze.
ya i got bored real quick(stopped at 280). Its just super boring and repetitive, i almost fell asleep during one encounter.
@@axzantos4968 Oh dang cool blog.
The hesitation on that _"yeah"_ as Empy stares at 0.4 divs per hour profit.
After a week of lootsplosions no less xD
I also lost it at ranking 650, kinda interesting almost everyone starts to feel its bored at around the same rank
@@JanDarkyyIt takes too long to rank up and it doesn't share with character. I'd love to play in 1000+ where the reward is probably better but taking so long ranking up and not being able to share progress between characters sucks.
@@JanDarkyy Because it takes TOO LONG. Imagine playing JUST TotA for 30-50 hours, just to get to rank 500-600 (which is still nothing compared to 1.5k+).
And that's when the "fun" is supposed to begin. Preparing almost 1-2 weeks worth of gameplay for casuals on JUST the league mechanic is insane and dumb.
95% of people wont make it that far.
A league mechanic isn't supposed to take you 5 weeks into the league for it to get rolling.
That combined with the insane oneshots that make you stare at a blank screen not playing is just not fun gameplay imo.
poor Empty
@@OzgurTezerdi i went from 125-600 in 8 hours. I don't know how you can be so slow.
I think this is the first time since i started watching Empy that he just straight up went "Nope, this sucks." and stopped.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if anything will change in future patches or if this is the extent of the gameplay
well if it took him 30 hours to climb from rank 200 to 600, yes, it sucks lol
the annoyance is the only reason i dropped this mechanic, mapping is just so much more enjoyable, i couldnt even care if i get a mageblood 10 times quikcer through ancestor
Took them like 5 years to get mapping to work so we really cant expect much when it comes to league mechanics every 3 months :d
@@TheShaKuhsounds like a skill issue.
Bazooka seems so disappointed... I want to hug him
Yeah I feel like he actually enjoyed the mechanic
@@Sakura08200 doesn't help that he put alot of effort into crafting all the gear for an aurabot and empy's reroll either lol.
It was nice hearing the reasoning behind why you stopped the mechanic, not just giving in for "Stream content" or whatever, having fun >> pretty much anything else.
Also huge props to Bazuka, not only for his gigabrain moments as usual, but for being positive and supportive.
I feel so sad for bazuka
People going around basically harassing streamers about not liking the mechanic are morons, but I also have to say it is incredibly boring to watch and makes you tune out. Its not particulary engaging when doing it yourself, so just watching it is even worse.
So I get when Empy says its "streamer related".
How was there an extra drop from the final round chest?
It’s good to be honest about these things and while TOTA is fun for me in bursts I agree with the criticisms. What I‘d like to see is GGG leaning into PoE‘s strengths with future leagues, not shoehorning in mediocre versions of popular game concepts. They have done it so well in the past with the likes of Legion, Sentinel or Delve.
Gods I miss Sentinel. What an awesome mechanic.
i would ONLY sentinel, it was fun tagging mobs.
@@SyntheticaYT
But then again this is why people love this game a lot, even you get bored out of your mind by doing maps over and over you have new stuff to do.
GL in whatever next project is!
What I loved about this mechanic is that you need absolutely 0 setup, so it was great to get my build to a point where I could run t16s, but now I do not see myself going back..
I believe no mechanic (or game) should be designed so your character stays dead while it keeps playing itself. I won some matches while my totem was dead, it felt really bad. Also I hate that often you are hitting some enemy with insane HPs and it just ignores you and goes to get a totem, gets stunned, repeats until the totem is dead.
I've been playing with friends and really like the gameplay of it, but missing the rewards most of the time and having to switch host to rank up seperately are annoying. Guess it really is a lot more enjoyable for 2 hours at a time in the evening rather than 8 hours straight. And of course I don't have to suffer the streamer specific problems.
I totally understand why you'd stop with the mechanic as is atm. Hope you are having fun with TS :)
Just wondering, you were using Exilence-next right? I thought the servers were off, does it just still work?
13:10 Exilence is still working?
What happen when a league get buffed and everyone at the same time is running it? Whatever the reward is decline in value. I got my +1 int a tiny bit too early, I paid 3 divs for it. Once the league got buffed, it almost instantly declined to 1 div. Now I found one and I couldn't sell it for 1 div. I waited and lowered the price to 0.9 to get it sold.
The type of reward do not matter, in Heist people had geared up to drop a ton of exalts. As a result, exalt for a day or two dropped to some ridiculous low of 25c per. So you'd find lots of exalts, but their value eroded. So even when the reward is the main trading currency, too much supply of it at once drop the value. It had created so much extra currency that everything was worthless. 10+ regrets per chaos, 10+ gcps per chaos, 10+ vaals per chaos, 3 sextants per chaos. 2-300 chisels per chaos. Chisels were less valuable than a scroll of wisdom.
All farming strats end up like that. Once too many do the same thing, whatever reward structure is in place, those rewards will become less valuable in total chaos value. Crucible was a league you didn't bother to really invest time into. I did, it was the most rewarding mechanic once you were doing it right. Adding trees on certain uniques and crafting various trees quickly through it. Easily 35 divs an hour running Forges, even just providing bases for others to work from. Mechanic was not popular, so those who did invest time doing it won big. This league people say it is rewarding, everyone does it, so the net profit decline. I do mechanics more often when people tell me it's no good... and because they claim it's not good, it is.
I there's a very simple way to fix the league mechanic for high ranking - allow players to buy things with favor that buff the player themselves, guaranteed block next attack items to stop one shots, increase damage for the rest of the tournament, fire additional proj, gain 1000 armor or just some stuff to buy with favor to buff the player. Maybe even make this a rpg aspect of the game where these types of items stay with you permanently inside the tournament halls and dont reset per tourny and you can upgrade them kinda like delve.
1:25 * yoinking totems from Empy * can't have sheet in Wraeclast... even in the Land of the Dead
I got to the same rank as empy solo, the main annoyance for me is the un-telegraphed one shots, I don't mind dying to one shots if it was my fault I was in it, GGG does this all the time, the only way they can think of making the game challenging is to trick you to your death, it feels so dumb.
Man I broke my hand already with all the clicking, channeling, sanctum feels more rewarding for a 15 min run
The mechanic is fine in survivability for like the first ~400 ranks, then is just, ah you died, who adjusted the numbers on this? Heard the only viable def mechanics are evasion+spelldodge+block no matter how much you mitigate, the base numbers are so high, getting oneshot isnt difficuly, is unfairness
This makes me wonder how many omens of connection i've just ignored cos I only look at left side loot
This is one of those league mechanics that I feel like could be amazing if they just tweaked it. Like, they dont have to do any crazy changes to it.
My idea for this would be:
- being able to access all vendors with the "league mechanic button" if you are in the room, kinda like Heist.
- up the rewards on the lower end (basically not giving people 15 jewelers orbs but like something meatier)
- tweak the numbers on enemies and allies, cause the allies are only good at capturing and barely at fighting, and my god some enemies are overpowered as hell (maybe Id make all enemies less tanky as well, but maybe thats just me)
less tanky and longer time to revive as well, there are some points where you are stuck at a point where nothing really happens, and endless loop of killing things and others spawning and there is no progress
2:07 bro the dude in chat called it
and yet you've been kinda "lucky" with loots, i've reached 650 without hiting a SINGLE good omen nor tattoo, 3 days of farm as a poor soloplayer for ~ 5div
I feel that, I didn't get see any "big ticket items" until I was ~1000. Since that, I've gotten like raw single/4div drops, 2 +1 Proj (lost 1 because Ahuana is busted and annoying af), and some mediocre tattoos. Pushing close to 1,500 and not really seeing a difference in loot.
forget tota, go mapping with something like ritual + harvest or harvest+ expedition. easy money
i run ritual + blight, just love blight mechanic, and with my dex staker siege ballista its super easy
Guys dont be unfair :P that league mechanic is just something different. If you place your Team correctly (items, positions and people) you dont need to do anything.
Im pretty new to this game and i gotta be honest. I made most profit with that league mechanic. I think about 25 Div. I wouldnt get that mich from Maps (maybe im just too slow or i dont have a clue how to Atlas and Juice correctly :)
Good Drops to all of u :)
A guild mate dropped an actual mageblood from the league mechanic. Lmao.
(Not defending it, just thought it was so incredible it was worth mentioning)
I know, people can win the lottery with any leaguemechanic.
I reached rank 1200+, I got one unnatural instinct as big drops, a few winged scarabs and a few 3 div reward, 2 seven years bad luck. I roughly made about 30 div total in that grinding to rank 1200, what actually ruining my experience is a bug where when you destroy a totem, sometime the units will not die, and stay on the ground, even after reloading the zone with control click, and even after winning the tournament, I stacked 4 different unit that would stay alive even after their totem being destroy, and adding 4 more mobs that can, one shot you, interrupt you, and focus your totem litteraly at the very beginning because they are not bound to their totem like the others and can spawn on yours, is not a good bug, bug that they introduced in 3.22.0b Hotfix 4, WHICH WASN'T present before, and I can assure you that it wasn't, as I did not see while I grind to 1100 but the hotfix came after that
Who came up with "Standing still and channeling" is a fun concept?? Like what...
The question is: Does GGG buff the league mechanic after watching this? There is proof they do nerf after watching some of empy's shenanigans.
Of course they like nerfing everyone’s when they see the 1% people data base have too much power 😂
I feel like this league would of been amazing instead of choosing your rewards there was a loot explosion, idk 13 chromatic orbes are the only reward
just want to add on why specifically i don't like this mechanic: i'm playing wardloop and self hit damage from heartbound loops breaks totem channeling, so i literally can't engage with it and destroy totems, i'm instantly getting self stunned-out of it.
the face when he said and having fun :( lmayo
Hey empy! Good luck with whatever you decide to do next :) in the end, this is a game and you should play it the way so that you’re having fun!
P.S watching this stream was lowkey frustrating because I could feel frustration coming from you through the stream even though you tried to keep it as positive as possible! Can’t wait to see what comes next :)
P.S.S maybe wanna try beating the hall of grandmasters now that GGNoobs is out? 🙃
I completely understand the SCT juicer finding it not worth or inefficient. The HCSFF experience feels completely busted and broken rewards. Ive seen more unique loot than i have ever seen in all 3k hours i have. Today alone i got Brass dome and taste of hate and 10 6 -links. The creating a non meta CC build is really fun aswell. I want this to go core with a atlas node that disables the player and makes it true auto battler like blight xD
Even normal SC juicers find it very worth. It's just him.
@@NoName-mi8js but its soo inconsistent, like i got 5 divs at rank 620, then until trank 1100 i didnt get anything valuable , then i tried sanctum and while the peak rewards are not enormous like tota, it feels more consistent like arond 100 -200 C per run
it's just not fun for me at least , my build is really tanky prob can tank uber slam. but normal mob auto attack swing me down in 1hit , it's just not fun.
I feel like you wached the video muted or something.
i feel like they completely forgot what fun is when making everything about this mechanic, then just jacked the rewards and even though its still not more rewarding than other stuff it's big ticket things that look awesome so people's feeble minds get baited into "enjoying" it
I feel like this is one of those meachanics where you either hate it, or love it, and play it as an alternative way to play the game (just like heist)
I think it is a nice mechanic and would like it being implemented in the core game. They probably won't need to balance much to do so (maybe, maybe, the tatoos, but I don't see any that are overpowered).
About the next build, I wanderer what it will be. Int would be nice for us to get any more tips.
Hopefully this reach GGG ears cause i feel the same
Huh, is Exilence working again?
it's good that you just said you weren't feeling it and moved on
I can't say that I am enjoying the league mechanic. It just isn't rewarding enough for the time commitment. I could map and get more loot and xp faster. I miss ultimatum...
Please, anybody knows the song at 8:55?
Ummet Ozcan - Xanadu
thank you so much!@@waowNroks
the respawn timer is insane. Imagine having to wait 10 to 20 seconds at every single door in Heist, while not being able to do anything. People think heist is a "chore" mechanic but this is so much worse.
I mean it's _supposed_ to punish you for dying. You just ouright lose everything in Heist if you die on the way out, this is much more forgiving :D
Oh god, remember heist on release? Those vault doors at the end of missions had a 20 second animation where if you went too early you got softlocked
I hate heist never do that shit again. Give me endless delve 😂
Still waiting to see if Empy can make Animate Wands viable now that wands have flat-damage bases? It does mean filling your inventory with wands over and over though... and the build has to sustain skill duration for a long time... but if anyone can make it work... it's this team, right?
This was kind of my reaction to the league mechanic, it feels alright until you can't do as much and start getting 1 shot by everything. The feeling happened to me around the same place at about 500 ranking as well, and it feels like if you don't run a build specifically to do tota it really doesn't feel great. The problem really did feel like rewards are extremely bad until around that 500-600 mark which is when it starts getting annoying/boring to do.
I mean, fair enough, if it doesnt suit you or what you enjoy or your stream environment then no point in doing it. I've heard some enjoy it, some dislike it, the league is still cool overall with the new items, sanctum, new atlas keystones, so lots to do still!
Amen.
I did it for some early random currency, after that I just.... Map
first, add decent menu to shop from all merchants at the eye of destiny, ideally with a screen of your team
Wait, exilence next is back?
I like this new league mechanic i am at 1,9k rating rn and i have a blast :)
Wait Exilence is still a thing? Did I miss something? I thought it was shut down
I think the tattoos are sick as fuck, but i personally dont like the league mechanic
I cant believe ive neglected my pride to a level that mr. Streamer has gotten more skillful in an autochess game than me. Life is not fair. Fuc
the grand witness sheds its divine skin, in a faraway realm, children weep ❤❤❤❤
That bike spokes guy really stroking that ego while empy is venting his grievances about the mechanic and chat was just the icing on the cake to prove his point on how aids it is to be a streamer sometimes.
Is that just me, or the ”max links with 1 fusing” is kinda a…. prophecy?
And the NPC is Navali 😮, connections?
"there is a world where i dont learn this information" - hahaha dedge
It’s funny, when I dislike a league mechanic it seems like most people enjoy it and when I think it’s cool many people don’t. 😂
"Log in dude"
imagine if they didnt buffed rewards... this league mechanic came out so bad and we hit a wall very fast with minions taking forever to die while at the same time one shotting characters.
I'd say it's "ok" bellow 400. Idk how to reset ranking. Wish I could go back to 200 and keep winning effortly, climb to 350-400, reset again etc
i love the heroes of might and magic soundtracks ♥
I sweat drop was better before last patch. But maybe i am trippin.
Im sure someones probably already told you but 500-600 is when rewards start ramping up seems like an unfortunate place to stop
You can get house of mirrors and doctors at 200+. People told me rewards start ramping at 200+ 300+ 400+ 500+ 600+ as soon as i was close to that. I’m not waiting for more ramp :D
This POE season mechanic have potential but its long way to achieve lvl of pvp mechanics from Diablo Immortal. Maybe at PoE2 GGG will take up the glove :)
In this video, empy is ruined by group farm rewards lol.
Following guides for which units are best in which slot and which tribes provide best reward is nothing new with target farming a league mechanic... You'd rather just pick random units and put them in slots their skills are not matched for and hope for good rewards if not targetting the correct tribes? Cmon dood
So following guides your duo gets better rewards?
mechanic is just a bad combo of slow loot gains and a slow playing mechanic when I can simply blast maps and get loot while feeling like im actually doing something
welcome to everyones else reality lol, 1div per hour like they want it
The league mechanic takes waaay to much time to rank up to a level where theres any good loot, probably league might die early again
I got 3 nurses at around 400
me and my teamate push rank 1000 , we made 3 divine in 40+ hours
We like the league mechanic but please remove the Damage reduction.... We are cap at dealing 0.2% of people hp while any RF instakill anything (we talking about 650K EHP aurabot against degen fire and he instant dies).
thank u for ur service
I really like how positive your attitude was, even though it was clear you weren't enjoying playing the mechanic. Good guy streamer
I'm at rank 1750~ and feels like I can't move much higher, it's slow already (started playing the mechanic a little after the rewards were buffed), it's cool, something different and pretty rewarding too, but I don't get the idea of what you are supposed to do when you hit the wall as you can't move horizontally like in delve. You are supposed to downgrade in rank or just stop playing it? No idea
Every league mech like delve , heist or TOTA need their own builds. so u guys still couldn't find that builds. I am sitting on 2k and i can complete 1 tournament(7-8round) in 11min (+/-1overall) and no i am not playing stun, knockback,minion, tank,frost wall etc and playing solo.
Out of curiosity, what build do you play? How much eHP and DPS do you have?
@@Vyndrill Heist is played but fraction of people, in delve you can move horizontally balacing the difficulty. If this league mechanic is not meant to be played by everyone that's cool, I'm still in privileged possition with my build choice but I get why people can dislike the mechanic.
i have 2k dps and 6k es i don't care killing monsters and can't tell my build cuz u know economy will explode if i tell :D @@manoftherainshorts9075
poor zooka :c
As a console player these really complicated league mechanic and how long it takes to do the mechanic is horrible..we need easy to do mechanics like legion
Yop empy you could just go back for episode 2 at the end of the league if you're running out of content 😉
i tried the league i was not to in to it. but i enjoy watching everyone else have fun with it :)!
And they released a new patch with more tattoo 😅
1, the patch isn’t out yet, 2, they could release 200 new tattoos it wouldn’t make me continue this way. Maybe i’ll revisit at a later date but unlikely.
Excilence not dead???
Wow the league mechanic is fun but forget about profit.
Hey Empy, I thought Exilence Next closed?? It was my favorite program and I HATE Poestack, has exilence next been taken over by someone else and still working? Please tell me yes
and having fun
............ yeah
i ignore it after 350 ...
TotA sounds like it should be good and it isn't.
23 divines for your soul gg
dead league mechanic yikes. I havent even touched it all league because its just so stupid. You see all the beta testers in Reddit showing how to do it efficiently then GGG patching/nerfing/'fixing' the solution and making it tedious. But then watching Empy with his squad and with his friend getting ZERO LOOT and ZERO PROGRESS on everyone else's ranking really shows how stupid this is.
Why cant we just get ultimatum back? Sentinel back?
This mechanic is like Heist in that lots of effort went in to making it a stand alone product. It just needs another 6months of testing to finally get it up to par considering Heist took them two launches.
RIP league mechanic
Rewards are shit, gameplay gets boring pretty fast, need very specific build and playstyle to push it higher and worst of all its not shared between characters. I've interacted with the league mech for like maybe 2 hours total but it's just too... boring and bad..
sanctum on the other hand, pretty fun and prints money. its sanctum league for me, didn't get to play it much during sanctum cause i was playing rf so it was horrible + hated having to run 12 maps to continue. now that i can just buy sanctums and live in sanctum, its perfect.
agree that it is fun for an hour then it's boring AF
running around for favours is the most annoying part
I feel ya. This league mechanic is crazy boring. I can't understand how people like it.
I hate this league and I'm one of the Lucky bastards that got the 3 doctor drops ... best drop in the game so far after 2k hours player and still hate this league .
The mechanic strained my wrist and forced me to leave the league early..
The going around shopping is so bad but the rest is pretty good tbh cool league needs some qol
These 5 divine lol....
damn i dint whatch the stream. damn
Bazooka reward is playing with Empy, what a good lad!