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- Nearly 22 months after Russia invaded, Ukraine’s much heralded counter offensive has failed to deliver the breakthrough Kyiv expected. Claiming that Russian forces are improving their positions, Vladimir Putin is dispatching more soldiers, weapons and munitions to the battlefield. Ukrainian forces - and citizens - are bracing for another tough winter. With US support hanging in the balance, President Zelensky warns Ukraine could lose without US help.
Meanwhile Russia has launched a diplomatic offensive in the global South and a hybrid attack on the West.
Our question today: Russia’s war on Ukraine: Will Putin get what he wants?
Wilfried Jilge, is an associate fellow at the German Council on Foreign Relations DGAP. An expert on Eastern Europe, he is a mediation adviser on Ukraine at the Center for International Peace Operations (ZIF).
Moritz Gathmann reports from eastern Europe and currently Ukraine for the German news magazine Stern.
Irina Borogan, joins us from London. A Russian investigative journalist, she is co-founder and deputy editor of Agentura.ru, a watchdog of the Russian secret services' activities.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:14 Has the war become a war of attrition?
03:30 None of the warring parties has had any major successes recently.
04:07 Putin's authoritarian regime gives little indication of the mood of the population.
05:15 Russia has many resources to oppose the sanctions.
06:30 Is a long war equally problematic for both warring parties?
07:40 Can Ukraine continue to count on US support?
08:20 Can Europe fill the gap and increase aid to Ukraine?
10:45 How can Ukraine recruit more soldiers?
11:15 The West had overly high expectations of Ukraine?
12:07 The Russians are currently strong despite heavy losses.
12:55 The West should set more realistic goals and strategy.
14:30 Russian outnumbers Ukraine in terms of weapons and soldiers.
15:50 Can Russia sustain a long war?
17:45 Russian drones turn the Ukrainian trenches into a kill zone.
19:00 Putin is looking for support in Africa and the Middle East
20:00 Putin is more isolated than it might appear.
21:50 Have Western sanctions failed?
23:19 The Middle East conflict is diverting Western attention.
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Is interesting how we always hear about Russia low morale and massive Russian losses but we never hear about how the Ukrainian army is actually doing
Now we did.
even Western/US MSM report about how dismal the situation is now
The Ukrainian military is defending their homeland against the invader/oppressor.
@@matiasd.c9949 Ukrainians are not Russians, they knew that what they have got and also what they got drip feeded wasn't enough, that was why they delayed the offence so many times. Besides they did make it to the second and even the third line.
This war has been most lied about and propagandized wars ever. You can only get truth from independent TH-cam channels and twitter.
The question should be "does Europe know, what they want!!?"
I suppose Europe wants Russia at its doorsteps.
I think they do, most of europe views russia as a security threat and wants ukraine to win but unfortunately they are not soverign enough to not follow americas leadership, they are too dependent on america so american politics make them hassitant. But also europe consists of many countries which each have to face their own internal politics and own strategic ambitions, the coalition is always going to be vulnerable as a result
Great question. Europeans constantly use the US as an excuse for action or inaction. the truth is they don't want to alienate the Russians.
Europe has no real leadership.
@@JamesMcintosh-wl6ko hahaha 😆
I am amazed at how clueless everybody in the west is about Russia (either clueless or lying to their teeth)
@@MikhailBardikov You mean war broke out. When Russia invaded Ukraine.
@@adamwatson7669 No, no, he meant the special military operation to protect the people of Donbass. The war broke out when Zelenskiy followed the orders of his NATO overlord Boris Johnson.
I am surprised how clueless all Russians are about Russia. How are so full of clues though, in order for you to have such a high knowledge ground?
@@user-sh4yq7sm7d the war broke out in 2014 when ruzzia invaded Ukraine for the 5 time at least in history
@@user-sh4yq7sm7d Dude not even Putin cares about the people of Donbass. The only thing he cares is capturing new lands and thinking he is Stalin of the 21th century!
This is what happens when you insist on living in dream world.
Maybe the dream world is what you call reality. Thousands of years of religion and a couple of hundred of years of psychology, ran by very evil and greedy people denying people their history and experiences while forcefully deciding for them what is real and good did distorted reality.
I’m an American, and can’t understand why the U.S. is spending so much on Ukraine 😮. Not let’s not forget all the emigration issues going on also.
A game of attrition. And Russia is notorious for that game.
They did same in Bakhmut.
Russian roulette?
Indeed. But remember that tactic caused revolution in WW2 and arguably it only worked in WW2 because the USSR had the support of the west.
Until it no longer works like in Afghanistan, Manchuria, WWI, etc.
They can't dig graves forever.
It's shocking to the West because they are so averse to casualties. But as you see from their wars, you can't win from a distance.
It always makes me laugh when Germany accuses Russia of war
No amount of money will change the outcome
The outcome: Ukrainian Independence.
you're so simple-minded
@@boink800Now lets get back to reality, Outcome: Ukraine reunite with Mother rusia 🇷🇺💪
The outcome may be a second Afghanistan for Russia, only worse.
@@Mr.Clownensky The USSR is dead, Ivan. Get over it.
He admitted if you're Ukrainian recruit you will get one way ticket to Bahmut
Was this a secret to you? Every person in Ukraine knows they might be sent out to another meatgrinder.
@@neothakaConscription is slavery. And male only conscription is sex discrimination.
ukraine already conscripted women and 17year old minors. there is the first 17year old ukraine soldier who died this week.@@gregorymalchuk272
@@gregorymalchuk272 How about giving child birth?
@@mrtopcat2not mandatory
They are trying their best to downplay it but they pretty much can aggree that russia is too stable and is in a better position at the moment than expected and the situation for the ukrainians is tilting towards grim
Unfortunately yes. The tragic is that the West could easily help Ukraine to push Russia back but the West simply lacks the will and the strategy.
lets be real, Russia does have a limited number of men they can meatwave.... even tho it is a very large number. NATO could end this in a few hours if they wanted
@@SlavaUkraini85the West? Outside of a few Eastern European countries everyone looks to the USA. The Peace Dividend was certainly abused by Europe.
@@SlavaUkraini85 Lets be glad Russia makes very big mistakes .
A superpower should have removed the government of a next door country they invaded in weeks not almost 2 years later and still fighting .
The US removed the Iraqi government in 3 weeks that was NOT right next door but on the other side of the planet .
If the attrition ratio is anywhere near what it looks like from photo evidence, Russia will run out of weapons and people long before Ukraine. They are using 30 artillery pieces a day. Much of it has photo evidence online. They already lost much of what they were estimated to have before the war. And the rates of loss keep accelerating as they go to older equipment. If the war continued the way it was going now. It seems like Russia would loose.
The U.S. and Ukraine lost the war since the first day...The U.S. is not in any position to win a war against Russia.
DW news never fails to be one-sided and braindamaged 😂
What's the other side?
Why watch Dummy
@@treverblancothe one which admits real situation
Number of laughable points are mentioned in this video. Fact check every point and be disappointed in the collective West. The reality is that
1. Russian morale is all times high. Both in civilian and military terms
2. Police and military spending always where huge part of Russian budget and was sustained for 20 years. They say Russia won’t be able to keep it up much longer 😂
3. Russian economy is not crippled by any means with the sanctions. In fact whole world outside of Europe is developing right now. We trade with it and grow our economy
4. Ukrainians do not have trouble with the draft. They have a disaster. They are simply out of people who didn’t payed way out of draft. No one is believing in the victory and no one wants to be grinded on the frontline. Ukrainian veterans are refusing to keep fighting. Ukrainian prisons are full of “retired” troops
@@str0fix what country are you speaking from?
@@treverblancofrom Russia 🇷🇺
It's ludicrous to think in a war of attrition that Ukraine could win. In addition, the US has a long history of starting wars in other countries, being defeated, then fleeing and abandoning its allies.
Ukraine doesn’t have to win. They just have to push back hard enough that the Russian people will eventually turn against the whole thing. Just like they did during the Soviet-Afghan war. (the United States isn’t the only country to pull out a war because of shifting public opinion)
Who started the war in Ukraine again?
Ukraine's democracy is about world democracy. This war is not just about Ukraine.
@@python3kAnglo-Saxons and the corrupt leader of Ukraine.
@@pamelaikenlol Ukraine? Its not even a democracy 😂, where have you seen a democracy country that bans all opposition parties in the government? 🤡
Putin's regime😂 Putin's Economy, everything is Putin's.
Yes . . . we have Putin's prices hike . . . :)
They fail to understand that when Putin is gone, things will continue as is. It's quite possible the next leadership will be even more nationalistic than Putin.
We only ever hear about Russian losses and not Ukrainian losses
We all know why. Ukraine lives are expendable.
And they're not even true. UK MoD just said they lost around 50k KIA which is several times less than we were told before.
That's because Russia has lost 17,867,435,289 soldiers so far, Ukraine has not had a single loss
There is a better chance for Jesus 2 come back than there is for Ukraine to beat Russia.
Following your analyses Ukraine wil win, since Jesus never would want to come back seeing this mess.
Ha ha.......russian Troll ;-)
Бог один для всех религий
Facts 😂😂😂
Ukraine would have been a better country if it had to cooperate with Russia 🇷🇺 and stay away from Western warmongers.
Why was it so bad for Ukraine to be neutral?
How will zelesnky personal pocket have millions of dollars?
@@aj3314 true, or billions even, yeah I didn’t think of that. Brandon also has to get his 10%
It's not Bad for Ukraine, it's bad for the US. It's not even bad for Europe.
@@aj3314evidence? Yeah didn't think so
If your country borders Russia neutrality means "Putin, feel free to invade and annex our land". Nato is bs excuse for Putn's greed. Russia loves invading and annexing its neighbours and it has always been the same.
" If you do as the Americans say, your economy is destroyed, your standard of living drops, you are joining a war you don't need to fight, against a country who really isn't your enemy ......." Colonel Douglas Macgregor.
I don’t know if it was actually him but yes
How many millions in the West are now suffering because their governments chose to support USA’s hegemony?
Why support USA? The world trade is made in dollars and White House will just print more
This is why we all need to trust russia and china because those countries have such a better track record 😀
@@Will-no6teat least learn to be a patriot of your country, and not a puppet of someone else. The leaders of your countries should think about their states.
Your a funny guy......
Exactly...The US is the biggest crab in the debt barrel...pulling all down so none can get out and prosper.
1 country is defeating +30 NATO countries, mindblowing
BS
...because this is not a Hollywood movie...
NATO hasn't sent anything of value.
Almost no tanks, almost no artillery, no planes, almost nothing.
Without nuclear weapons, Russia wouldn't hold the west 24 hours. Specially the US, which has an army no other country can even dream about
@@Debbie.Does.Dallas.klas-ys7hg that's exactly what is happening, what part of "proxy war" don't you understand?
Worlds 2. superpower army losing badly in Kiev offensive and whole Kherson region to a handfull of defenders and basically cant advance anymore..mindblowing.
The Russians are fighting with one hand behind their back, considering they will still live beside Ukraine. They could have leveled Kiev, militarily speaking
That wasn't a part of the failed plan.
No, actually, they couldn't have. They tried and failed. They didn't have anywhere near the amount of force needed to pull that off in 2022. They might in future, but armies large enough to pull off such things are not created overnight, they are not cheap, and they require significant mobilization of resources.
Didn't the las 2 years of war teach you anything? Do you really believe that Russia is holding anything back? Stop getting your news from Telegram buddy
@@bobwinters5572 you forgot to add competent and non corrupt leadership. After this "within 3 days in Kiev fiasco" I doubt any significant gains can happen in any future. Ukraine will now arm to the teeth with help of EU and US, regardless if it is taken into NATO or not.
@@bobwinters5572they didn't try lol . They didn't even bomb a single administrative building or ukraine regime HQ in Kiev even tho they could have done it while staying even on Russia soil
2 yaers of war
10 million immigrants to Europe
200-000 to 300-000 casualties (dead/injured)
Around 200 billion of dollars of help from Europe and Usa
And just manage for a stalemate
Losing 20% of the land
I think its about time to start negotiations
What's their other option?
Russia will only accept unconditional surrender -- same as WW2.
What's the point of negotiating with Putin? He'll just break all his promises, like he always does.
@@treverblanco It's all out there in the open. Russia couldn't have been clearer about its demands. Ukraine as a neutral, non-aligned state, a special status for the Donbass as a part of Ukraine, recognizing Crimea as a Russian territory, putting an end to the glorification of nazism. That's about it.
This Historian Ukrainian Bot is not sustainable, the other guy is very realistic
Putin is a great leader he is a gift for the world he is angel of peace and harmony
Thank Putin ❤
The average age of conscripts in the ukrainian army is now 43, there are even soldiers in tanks in their 70's. Does'nt this indicate very heavy losses among their army
No, bc since the start of the war Ukrainians had alot of volunteers of higher age.
No DW news has not reported any Ukrainian casualties.
@@donsullivan6199there has been none according to DW news 😂
It has been a very strong Ukrainian policy to NOT recruit men in their late teens or twenties, in order to preserve the population of adults that will make new families (and children). Therefore, men in their 30s and 40s are being pushed into conscription ahead of youth. This is the opposite of the west, where most recruits would be 18-22 years old. If Ukraine reached a point of crisis, they could lower the recruitment age to 18 and tap their last available pool of fighting men, but I'm pretty sure they would go to the bargaining table before that happened.
Source : Trust me bro
I bet Vicky Nudelmann won’t hand out cookies in Kiev these days😅
The invincible Ukrainian army has been defeated by Russians with shovels 😂😂😂😂
What?
Shovels really work
@@thabisothabane3800 You gotta love the Russian army. They really know how to fight with little to no resources.
I am fed up with these neverending speculations about Putin's objectives.
It is time to analyze, how much has the EU economy lost because of the suicide sanctions against Russia.
EU only gained independance from RU gas and oil and got a huge boost in renewable markets and technology. So tnx Vlad for waking up and greening the EU.
Also we will now arm up massively in the next few years and maybe even form Euro Army, so tnx for that too xD
Everything. Better question, how much has US private military industrial complex gain!?
@@MotoRide. lol, Ursula & Co. are hanging on for dear life.
@@DMEU77 Awesome. And I hope US and EU military industry earn even more in joint venture bussinesses. Present shows world is a volatile place, so why not have state of the art defenses?
Hey but I sure know a country that won't earn any money in forseeable future due to debacle in aggression to Ukraine and also on recent military expo where no one was interested in their junk..
Never mind. The EU is planning to put a new sanction on China if they refuse to cut dual-use exports to Russia.
Pleas repeat again and again that the Russian Federation is a gas station with nukes and economy with size of Spain. This is something your audience likes and wants to believe.
The Russian Federation is a shabby economy with a very over-rated military (which was supposed to take Kyiv in three days, according to their own "experts").
It is actually a gas station with nukes with an economy the size of Canada's. But anyways have 3 days passed?
the Russian Federation is a gas station with nukes and economy with size of Spain. 🤣🤣🤣
You get much more for money in Russia than in EU or USA. USA now has $1million average house price in many areas. That's for a small old house.
@@13BulliTs With no indoor plumbing as well. Ha, ha, ha, ha
To be honest I'm shocked Russia sustained this war for so long even with all the economic restrictions imposed by the powerful countries in the West and the weapons & assistance given by NATO to Ukraine. Russia is THAT strong ... I think Putin really planned this war very well. He's in for the long haul
Все русские знают как нас обманули, выстроили страны НАТО вокруг нас, это не мирная организация, мы это понимаем уже давно.
Мдаа, а я шокирован западными источниками информации.. Такой бред и ложь
@@Iskanderuser-oz2wv1kk9p Ага, захожу комментарии почитать ради смеха. Бред умственно отсталых. И ладно бы им врали каждый день! Да, врут, но ведь им ведь хронологию показывают. Про то, что Россия никогда не примет вступления Украины в нато им говорили. О том, что в Украине растет неонацистское движение, им говорили, о том, что власти сша внесли азов в список неонацистов говорили. О том, что сша потратили 5 миллиардов на государственный переворот им говорили, о том, что украина бомбит донбасс, где живут русские им говорили. Им все говорили. Но у них либо память как у рыб аквариумных, либо мозг в целом. Никаких выводов после Ирака, Афганистана, Ливии, Сирии они не сделали. Им в очередной раз новый Пауэлл помахал пробиркой перед носом, и они сожрали это дерьмо. О чем с ними вообще возможно говорить? Необучаемые недоразвитые с манией величия. Неспособные влиять ни на что. Но зато могут гендер выбирать. Животные.
He has already gotten what he wants. Donbass and a land corridor to Crimea.
DW: Ve vill ask ze questions, und you vill give ze answers, ya?
Dude in ze suit is delusional.
😂😂😂😂😂
Agree that the guy in the suit is in complete denial. He thinks Ukraine can win war of attrition because combined West has greater monetary capacity to fund the war. He completely ignores the manpower situation and without NATO committing troops Ukraine will run out of men to fight the war. And once again, the 3 "experts" talked only about continuing the war. I did not hear a minute of talk about settlement process.
Ya ya... Links, links
At best Russia can be prevented gaining more territory. Russia weakened? The Russian army is stronger than ever with its arms industry at high production. It's got endless amounts of people, energy and minerals/resources. The west has TikTok generation soldiers and empty stock piles. Not being a pessimist here.
NATO estimates 150,000 Russian soldiers killed and many more wounded. A week or two ago they estimated 6,000 Russians killed in "Meat Wave" attacks in Adviika alone. Russia has a population of about 140 million. Life expectancy of males about 58, you have to dig for this data. Russian losses in Afghanistan were about 35,000, and domestic discontent made the war unsustainable. Compared to US population, imagine a war in which 450,000 were killed in 2 years and you get an idea of the scale. Not to mention the 1-2 million Russians who fled to avoid conscription. Can Russia still win? Yes, if the West loses it's nerve and abandons Ukraine. Wester combined GDP - $38 Trillion. Russia - $2 Trillion. So run all these objective numbers and make a prediction.
I meant to say, the 6,000 Russians killed in Adviika were in just one week.
@@dylanthomas12321 That's nothing compared with the 780'000 Ukrainians killed in the last three months.
@@dylanthomas12321вспомнить надо, что в 1945 г по подсчётам ООН в ВОВ погибли 20 миллионов человек, может и больше. Потом долгие годы голода и восстановления страны на свои средства, нам никогда не помогали др страны. Смогли русские согнуться? Перестали рожать детей? Страна живёт и будет жить.
@dylanthomas12321
Mr. Dylan, the US GDP is a big buble
It concists of following:
1. 80% of it is services at astronomical prices. Education costs 10 - 15 times higher than in Rusia, medical services cost 15-20 times more and so on. It is based on uncontrol printing of the "green papers".
2. 3,5% military spending with highest weapon prices in the world.
3. 15,5% is industrial sector.
4. 1% - agricultural sector.
You are manipulating the figures.
If you want to share GDP you must share it by purchasing power parity.
Do you know what does it mean?
If you do not understand that resources and shells are more important than all your numbers, then I offer you my condolences.
We live in a material world, naivety is unforgivable.
2:14 Moritz is wrong! Russia is encircling Advivka. Russia also advance around Bakmut . There won't be a "big breakthrough " its not possible in modern warfare. There's pincer moves and incremental gains you keep city by city. Russia's capacity to prevent Ukrainian pincer moves is a feat in itself, and to be able to execute it on your own like Russia did in Backmut and Advivka demonstrate a lot of power and savy planning.
In reality Russia has moved roughly 18km2 in total around the fields near Avdiivka in the last 10 months and not that much more in the last 10 years, but sure... if you say so.
@@akselmaniAnd made groundmeat to 200k ukrainian soldiers. Who count km2, when you should count casualities?
Empty fortress will fall
@@Nachiel If you think that the battles around Avdiiva have 200k dead even counting both sides, you are deranged.
Also my comment was a direct reply to the OP's "encircling" blabbers. No idea why you feel the need to butt in.
@@akselmani why not? Free world, free speech.
About 200k KIA - course its approx casualities of this war. What about WIA? 600? 800?
Doesnt matter. Nobody intrested about km.
@@akselmani well in cases you havent notice there was a big Ukrainian offensive this summerthat lasted 'till now where Ukraine throw everything hey had at Russia. For 78 days in a row. Of course Russia was on the defence. Russia has actually almost accomplished their territorial objectives in Ukraine. It's more about demonstrating that Ukraine cannot take it back military. There's a new border now.
That man in suite seems to be an Ukrainians cheerleader😂. He’s not as objective as the other guy, nonetheless he thinks he’s that knowledgeable than every member of the panel
Spot on.
You seem to be a .....troll (St. Petersborg gang)
are you a putler cheerleader?
he's pretty accurate
He's the human NATO/EU talking point.
USA's Republicans understood that US and western partners or NATO could never defeat Russia in Ukraine's battlefields.
They have no will. It is not about lack of power.
95 percent of US Republicans support Ukraine in their War of Independence against the colonial oppressor.
They know they can piss on Russia and its army will melt but they are not willing to do anything more than just spitting. Ever since the Soviet collapse the gap in power kept growing while Russia somehow managed to keep its image straight.
Then return Alaska and California back to Russia
nha dude you can say alot about Republicans, but it ain't that, it is much more nefarious, they just hate the Dems more then that they hate Russians.
Simple question; why should the global south support the west and Ukraine? What is our incentive?
Showing major powers that redrawing borders by force won't work? I'd think that especially the global south would have some concerns about people with guns coming and saying "this is mine now".
@@itgeorgeunfortunately the global south seems to allow Putin to come through the back door now
@@HShangoLuckily, he is able to use the front door like in Emirates.
not to get invaded.
No, completely no. Look at the news, he went to Saudi and UAE. Both country leaders did not want to see him, nobody greeted him at the airport. He is completely isolated, a pariah. Somehow he tried to show off with his Su-35. The Arab leaders told him to get out of the countries immediately. So long, Mr. Dictator. We only welcome democracy fighter like Mr.Z 😊😊😊
I believe you should invite politicians from United Russia Party to get the Russian perspective. That allows an all-round view on such talk shows.
The guy in sweater Moritz Gathmann is really trying to be realistic but the guy in the suit keeps bringing him back to the Original narrative 😂. Europe need to be realistic or they will be forced to be.
😂😂😂😂
True 😂😂😂😂😂
Europe needs to wake up and start living happily again - without the US commanding and putting everybody in ‘’order’’
You underestimate Russia so so much that’s I thought they were only fighting with shovel 😮
😂😂😂👍👍
Imagine Ukraine is like a company running a business that rely heavily of donation to keep the business afloat. From business perspective, we know it will not sustain since it is not a good business model.
Certainly Germany is not getting what it wants!
What does Germany want other than to sell cars, machinery, chemicals, and dodgy banking services?
@@dylanthomas12321 Secure peace, of course. And letting Russia win and telling them that they get more land if they start wars is not how we'd get it.
germany would rather donate both its kidneys than say no the us
Hey, but they sent their Leopards and look how good they've shown to be . Everybody now wants to buy them :D
Usually Germans don't get what it wants
Because it has already 2 lost world wars 😂😂😂
What these things never discuss is that "what Putin wants" is Ukraine to never be in NATO. Even if Ukraine were to have sudden success and miraculously push Russia out of the territories it took in 2022, this wouldn't force Russia to stop fighting, nor stop its drone and missile strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure. It appears that Russia can keep up the status quo level of fighting more or less forever. So I don't see what an actual victory condition is for Ukraine here.
You are telling fairy tales; Ukraine's application for NATO membership had been refused years ago. This war is about imperialistic madness, that's all.
Europe and Ukraine can also keep fighting forever but much less damage to economy. Also the defense against drone and missile strikes is getting better all the time.
@@nicke0b Russia has all the natural resources it may ever need and much more and its economy is growing whereas EU is in tatters both economically and politically. The US is in turmoil and the debt ceiling is ever-growing. The sway of the West in the world is shrinking by the day whereas Russia isgetting more and more influence across the globe. To put it mildly, the situation doesn't look good at all for the Zelensky backers.
@@nicke0bonly Europe not Ukraine and since Europe aren't actually at war what you said will never happens
Absolutely.
Russia only demanded Ukraine to be neutral. But no, fool Zelenskyy listened to West and suffering now
Why does Russia dictate another sovereign nation's actions?
Have you ever heard of geopolitics?@@treverblanco
@@sashap5747 let me rephrase: why does Russia feel it has a right to dictate another country's foreign policy? Their statement defends the abuser.
ukraine offered to remain out of nato russia attacked anyway /.////......
Yeah never
Because Putin is so honesty and humane
Western people hardly understand other countries 😂
Time for negotiations.
Don't think it's a favourable time for negotiations from the Western perspective.
Yeah with Finland in NATO, Germany looking for alternativea for gas and all the sanctions, that ship has sailed when the war lasted more than 5 days
I don’t think we overestimated Ukraine, I think we severely underestimated those 14 mile thick minefields. The only thing capable of blowing a wide enough deep enough path through those minefields for tanks to get through and cause chaos is a huge Air Force, which Ukraine does not have. The minefields were the biggest part of the failure of the counter offensive.
Agreed. If the west had just given Ukraine what they needed when they had momentum instead of spending 10 months mulling over every bullet sent and browning their pants over whether they would hurt Putin's feelings, Russia wouldn't have had the time to dig in so deeply. And the lack of air support is huge, too.
@@Owen2308 that's not what happened, the opposite is true: support was completely unhinged and self-damaging
Air power superiority in this conflict is highly over-talked, ask your self this..why hasn't Russia got air superiority right now? they have the planes and crews to mount massive air sorties..but can't for the very same reason the Ukrainians cant gain it either even with a fleet of Western air frames to mount the attempt..This is a modern transparent battlefield where both sides have effective and plentiful Air deference systems to call on, and is why we've seen a major shift toward unmanned aviation warfare..
The Russian's aren't middle eastern goat farmers that have no defense against air power...
Thinking all the Ukrainians need is a bunch of planes to break the Russian lines is the worst kind of wish casting to fall into.
@@Owen2308
@@mistressfreezepeach Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean. Isn't that consistent what I said? Support being piecemeal and insufficient?
Bro you have to understand one thing about war. The only thing Airforce ever does is to support ground troops in either taking ground or destroying troops. You actually can't win a war without ground troops. That's why mines are effective in defence. Airforce can't cover and take out every enemy in open ground. Its not about high tech fighter jets, as fighter planes stands now they are not capable of waging war themselves. And Russians are not like Iraqi armies who didn't have anti air capabilities in any meaningfull way. So desert storm like operations will only lead to lot of jets being shot down. The only thing jets will do is stay well away from any Russians lines and shoot missiles from behind the active lines. And it's not that effective in breaking down entrenched lines, more artillery will be 1000x times better.
Its amazing to see how imperialists think. Africa supports Russia simply because Russia provided support in terms of financially and weapons in the Africa struggle for independence from this same imperialists!
BS
compare African immigration to US/EU vs. Russia...that fact says it all
@@icu17siberia look at geography.
They know no history, these panelists except for the male journalist, are out of their depth, but it's good sometimes to listen to the noise empty drums play.
I bet can't recount the capitualation of napoleon, on his bid to conquer the world and Russia being part of that plan.
If somebody helps you on the street, you don't need necessarily to go to their home.. All they did is to help restore dignity of independence.. The rest is up to trade and economics.
I bet you don't know about the conman ship of the dollar...
ultimately Russia is winning ...
Weird. I followed this war since the beginning and I never got the impression that ukraine would already completely win in 2023. I don't know why the guest suggested that.
Dam Republicans use this issue as leverage
No money for Ukraine. It's all over.
Stop lying to yourself, the US can keep throwing money to Ukraine but that won’t make much of a difference, Ukraine is running out off soldiers and the few they have have are not properly trained to use western equipment, it takes decades to create a solid army
We have a border issue at home while our taxes money is funding a useless war that could have been prevented
@@nooneking3959 But you are from a Moscow troll farm. Dont worry.
@@eugenefirebird8938I think they will get the money. Surely you cannot be supporting Russia in this.
Zat ze collective vest has ze superiority in financing and technology 😂😂
My fellow Europeans .. start digging deeper into this subject, analyse the year 2008 and 2014. Its key to understanding this whole debacle. its time that US IMPERIALISM ends.
You mean it's time for Russian imperiamism to restart?
Which were events emerging slowing from 1994 right? This is about free enterprise and access to NATO, not American Imperialism. The US wants out of the role policing Europe, pay attention. Unfortunately, Europe can't get their act together.
ok Russian bot, you ain't part of Europe anymore, lol
I refuse russky Mir.
@@13BulliTsCan you argue his points ?
Is calling everyone a bot your standard response ?
And I have a question: how is it possible for the Europeans to ever, ever trust the US again!! First Trump, now this
A Russian soldier ran up to a nun, out of breath, he asked, Please may I hide under your skirt, I’ll explain later he said. The nun agreed. A moment later two military police ran up and asked. “Sister have you seen a soldier” The nun replied, he went that way. After the military police ran off, the soldier crawled out from under her skirt and said, “I can’t thank you enough, Sister, you see I don’t want to go to Ukraine. The nun said “I understand completely” The soldier added, “I hope I’m not rude but you have a great pair of legs! The nun replied, “if you looked a little higher, you would’ve seen a great pair of balls too. I don’t want to go to Ukraine either.
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Love it TRE45.
lol
Haha, haha..
Unfortunately, the answer seems to be "yes, he will".
Europe and the US failed to supply air power, so the Ukranian offensive stalled and the conflict has become a war of attrition in which Russia can afford to outlast Ukraine and its allies.
Hahaha! I doubt “Air power” is the reason Ukraine is losing.
The pilots are training on F-16s and will be ready. Our governments didn´t exactly fail, they were just too slow.
@@martavdz4972 It takes about 3 years to train a fighter pilot. Anything less than 2 year training will only result in the needless loss of a pilot and a plane.
The only way out is for NATO to get involved directly, which most likely will lead to a nuclear exchange. Anything less than that will be too late for Ukraine I'm afraid.
He won't. Ukraine is doing a great Job as the underdog. Everyone expected Ukraine to lose the war in 3 months.
Did zelensky owned DW? They stuck on it and also the propagandas are nonsense and hilarious 😂
Yep, because NATO cant do anything to stop him.
Yep, Ukraine already stopped him near Kiev xD
Yep, but Ukraine stepped in and stopped him near Kiev xD
@@MotoRide. Putin never wanted Kiev. They encircled it to take Ukrainian military resources away from the eastern front.
they certainly could... they just don't
@@greenwave819 Nope, it would go nuclear, and we'd all be done.
Man those washing machines they went along way. Look how well the Russians did with those chips.
Very sad situation for people of Ukraine but it's a result of wrong decision by their government. They had chance to stay neutral and peaceful
If Russia, Germany and France cooperate, our economies will achieve greater development. it has always been not profitable for England, but today for the USA
Don't let the big guy hear you, Russia Germany France Euro- trio! Nah they'll never let it happen
Russian mind set is selling of resources. No democracy required which means they cannot cooperate with Western Europe
@@CrRodney1 Democracy . . . :)
Of those in Germany who are, after all, still dreaming the Russian dream, they would want the French out. There is hope Russia will build a Texan wall.
So you want to cooperate with murder? In that case he will ask for Eastern Europe so he could murder more.
The guy in the suit really kills 😂😂😂😂 When the female journalist said that Russia's position on the front is strong, the look on his face 😂😂
Timestamp please 😂
Jog on troll!
@@silviadunderdale9400are your feelings hurt?😂
@@karabomafa5609 Very much so hey 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@KK-bv8iv Start from 14:28 and continue watching, you'll see😂😂 He doesn't like what he is hearing.
DW-Komedi 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Show us that botski hate, botski.
A good interview. The moderator, she has done her homework well. She led the discussion on what really matters.
Agreed, except the Russian expert. She´s an expert on the activities of Russian special forces abroad, but the moderator asked her about the morale among the Russian troops in Ukraine. That´s not her field of expertise. Also, I just didn´t get why she invited a Russian expert but not a Ukrainian expert. There are Ukrainian experts who are capable of a sober view of the situation.
Well said! Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.
😂😂😂 Nobody wants failure unfortunately
@@nusaibahibraheem8183 You're missing the deeper meaning. Before the counter offensive, all the generals from other countries were patting themselves on the back for Ukraine's liberation of territory in Fall 2022 and all were confident in the advice they were giving the Ukrainians for the counter offensive, but when they executed that advice and it didn't work, then they say that it's all Ukraine's fault and they played no role in planning it.
@@Owen2308
Combined arms operation requires air cover. We have civilian De-liberators in charge so the training for flying the F-16s didn't start early. Of course, how long did it take for the European countries to come to agreement about who, what, where, when, how, why regarding the F-16s ? The battle tanks don't mean much without air cover.
Iraq had a lot of tanks and Soviet equipment. They were rather inept and helpless under the heavy blows of the U.S.A. combined arms attacks. The World's fourth largest army was beaten in just a few weeks. Apache helicopter gunships were very helpful.
Another L for USA and the West.
But all you ( Zelensky,NATO, EU, US, UK, Australia , Ursula wonder always lying ) kept on telling European and the world - UKRAINE IS WINNING THE WAR AND RUSSIA IS SCREWED UP 😂😂😂😂😂
He always gets what he wants you like it or not that's reality
They shall call this discussion "Collapse of Western hypocrisy"
Is it me or my ears that DW praising Putin and Russian Soldier????? Finally they are coming back to their senses!
Russia already got what it wants.
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Washing machines?
@@imac3355They control a quarter of Ukraine instead of the 5% they previously held. Those are gains in anyone's book.
This was an interesting discussion. It was fairly balanced (more balanced that you would typically find in the Western media). The only disappointment is that the discussion of peace talks or a negotiated end to the war did not arise even once. This is the biggest problem with the West. They haven't backed Ukraine enough to match Russian capabilities. And they aren't talking peace. Basically, they want Ukraine to prevail against a more powerful Russia. This means that more Ukrainians will have to die in order to fulfill the West's ambitions of defeating Russia.
Fully agree with you. The west isn't giving up on anything that is less than pushing Russians back, which is extending the war to a point of exhaustion for Ukrainians. May it be possible that the leaders of this war work on a treaty that ensures a stop in the hostilities? We need to prepare the ground of a new Ukraine-Russia border or "Transition Zone", and thus build the foundation for peaceful cohabitation that allows for settlements to be rebuild, farms to run again with strong governance, and infrastructure to be commissioned.
It is Ukraine's ambition to defeat Russia. No one ever asked for this imperialistic war with Russia, but now that it's started, the west needs to ensure to support Ukraine as long as it is willing to fight.
Pretty sure it’s the Ukrainians that don’t want to be invaded by another country. Yes, the West is helping them.
Fairly balanced? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would you talk with Russia when your country is invaded, 20% is taken and half million people are killed. Would you initiate any discussion when Russia is keep killing your people? It is very easy to talk about it as an outsider but when your future is on danger you would think differently.
They haven't given them air superiority and the artillery supply has also fallen short.
Not sure what the west actually expected.
According to Wikipedia Putin has a PhD in Economics. We have the perception of him as a thug and KGB agent but I think he gave a lot of thought to this offensive and what would come next.
Did he count on NATO expanding by 2? I wonder what his calculus was.
@@icu17siberiaNATO was always going to expand. This is just a convenient excuse. What can never happen however, is Ukraine joining NATO. Nobody wants WW3 but Russia is ready to have WW3 if Ukraine was joining.
I can buy PhD tomorrow if I want, just like any other degree. It’s Russia, dorogoy
@@afrolitious7930if Ukraine joins nato Putin is finished. Call his bluff!
He gave no thought to it. A speed run to Kiev turned into a multi-year attritional war across a massive front line. Sweden and Finland had zero desire to join NATO in 2021, and here we are welcoming these two military powerhouses into the western fold. Russia used to have a semblance of agency and respect on the global stage, and is now just a pathetic vassal state of China, serving as a giant gas station and a place to dump the lowest quality Chinese goods. If Putin's diploma is a real economics degree, wow, economists should NOT run dictatorships because holy cow did his education fail him.
Does DW not fact check? They played a video about how russia seems to have endless munitions but as one of the speakers said, they actually ran out several times. Do better DW!
There are no inconsistencies. The Russians have pooled a lot of resources in Avdiivka including 152mm and lower mm shells. They don't have nearly as much shells as before, for other local skirmishes along the front line. They also have a limited number of various missile types atm as they were almost out last winter. Anyone who is following the conflict is aware of what DW is talking about, which is why they don't specify this in every video.
Russia will never "run out" of munitions because the factories never stop running. They, like Ukraine, have had to dial back the rate of fire dramatically from the start of the war. They have depleted their old stockpiles of soviet shells and missiles, and now have tapped North Korea as a supply because NK has been stockpiling shells for decades. The situation is not dire, but it's also not enough to flip the war.
@@akselmaniinfographics show cartoons and anime aren’t a source bro.
@@nam3less14 I've been following the entire thing from before 2014. Don't bro me random.
@@akselmani 🤣
DW, cry me a river 😅😅😅
The guy on the right sniffs glue.
The collective west failed in Afghanistan
Sounds like staying neutral would have been a far smarter thing for Ukraine to do than all this.
Ukraine did everything to stay neutral. Putin saw every movement as weakness and took advantage of it
There is really nothing like neutralilty in realpolitik.
Neutrality is utopia if you live next to Russia. It is like telling Putin "Feel free to invade once again".
Define "neutral", botski. Does that mean a government like in Belarus?
??? 400 years of Russian persecution of the Ukrainian people are enough to make them unwilling to negotiate with their tormentors!
The only way out the war is to sit down and talk, as Russia demanded before the war. Ukraine should abandon its dream of joining the NATO gangsta club. Simple. This could have happened before the unnecessary waste of human life and resources. But, as we all have seen, the West, especially the USA met the Russian demands in deaf ears and this has created the war.
when the Russians see a swastika in all positions, they try not to take prisoners"
He might get more than what he originally asked for 😂
@@mg8718 he doesn’t need half of Europe, does he? . The man is only interested in securing his country’s borders from the most aggressive and dangerous association that the world has ever seen.
@@mg8718 I don't know why you think Europe has value?
Russia will protect its borders from NATO build up@@davidthompson1369
Their aim is To the last soldier - Zelenskiy’s words
Source : "trust me bro" - Sasha the orc
@@dylanvogler2165 Proudly Russian!
In all such broadcasts, they never remember that Ukraine attacked Donbass 10 years ago after a military coup. The children of Donbass have not seen a peaceful sky since birth.
Statements by Rada deputies and famous Ukrainians. politicians
📌"I am proud of the fact that among the 1,500 punitive forces in Babi Yar there were 1,200 policemen from the OUN and only 300 Germans." Deputy of the Rivne City Council Shkuratyuk. "Kyiv Vestnik" dated February 26, 1993
📌“The plan for military operations with Russia was developed in 2005. Ukraine has been preparing for war with Russia since 2005” - Gritsenko
Please realize, that Russia do not need WEST to produce any kind of product, they are sefl sufficient.
In Russian, and some variants of Ukrainian, the word for a stalemate is rendered as ‘tupik.’ The word carries connotations of blindness and stupidity. When Russia says it will pursue its war aims for as long as it takes, it has the ideological and literal infrastructure to back it up. The West doesn’t, These are stark and uncomfortable conclusions. But what does the power of liberal democratic values and economic reach really count for when Russia’s ally, North Korea, can deliver on promises to its partners but the EU cannot?
What do you think the russian ideology is, because I don’t remember any in all my years there
@@DeeComrade The one on top of my head is, Nationalism - There is a strong emphasis on Russian nationalism, asserting the country’s identity and sovereignty, this is often tied to historical pride and a sense of protecting Russian interests. There is great important given to statism that means greater controls over strategic industries and key sector of economy like example defence ( which like the west don’t have depend on timeline of MIC for production).
@@thevickysworldsound a lot like fascism
@@Boghopper9999 fascism is an inherently homosexual ideology
@@Boghopper9999 Fascist ancestors now like to call others fascists to deflect suspicion from themselves. You're not misleading anyone
I can't understand. For two years I have been told that Russia lost and the goal to take Kiev in 3 days failed. How now Putin gets what he wants if he already failed?
Changing goals.
Reality hitting home.
Путин не говорил за 3 дня😂кто вам это сказал
@@Viktor-bbкак кто? Дотче Велле
Because what you have been told and the reality are two different things.
Don't worry Ukraine will defend their land.
Ukraine will always defend their land against the oppressor.
Ukraine could lose without US help ? The last 22 months says that Ukraine was losing with plenty of US and EU help. You call Bahkmott, Adviika, and enormous casualties, being out gunned, out bombed winning ? Give me a break !!
Expert on Eastern Europe yet betting against Russia 😂 must not be too much of an expert on Eastern Europe 😂😂
It's been a long time since I've heard of foreign legions, the brave men and women from the UK, the US and others in Europe...where are they now?
You mean the woke kids in the west. They have no time for war but have to discuss their gender issues.
You never over-estimated Ukraine. [Illustration:] A country is promised one million rounds and so they plan for that, then they do not get those rounds and soldiers are unable to hold the ground without ammunition. Now you say you over-estimated their abilities? I say to the contrary that Ukraine did so much more than any other army could do without the equipment and ammunition they were promised. The US Army would never have mounted any counter-offensive without air superiority, yet you criticize them for not advancing at a speed that YOU want them to. Go ahead in your office, tie the hands and feet of one of your co-workers and then demand them to make the coffee.
If I tell you go and buy 1million dollar house ,I will give you the money
Will you go blindly and belive me
Probably if you are 2 years old
But if you are running a country, you don't plan by promises, you plan by what you have at the moment
Unfortunately, Ukraine Army is not the US Army. It could have become close to that 2014-2022 but wanted to appease the Russians...that worked out well.
This is another European war and the US has no business to get involved. The Parasitical expectations that the US must come and help are annoying. And not, this war would not come on our shore.✌
Zelenskiy is making huge fortune out of this war
He is working for the money of the America
Putin has made a huge fortune over 20 years of pillaging his country
Not as much as Putin tho
Slightly more fair than most DW reports. At least you have people with slightly different biases. So, some slight flashes of impartiality. Keep it up!
No, he doesn't. He wants to conquer eastern Germany as well with Berlin including
My Ukrainian friend is disappeared because the army want him to fight in the front line .. he never had military training
Diplomatic offensive? I am subscribing. The best talk show nowadays!