Destiny 2 Lore - The Ahamkara. The story of Destiny's Dragons. Origins, The Hive & The Awoken.
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- Thanks to HelloFresh for sponsoring today's video. Go to strms.net/hellofresh_mynameisbyf, use my code POGBYFFREE, and receive one free breakfast item per box while subscription is active. Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us of the mythical Ahamkara. Destiny's wish dragons are the stuff of legend and the season of the wish promises to revive the formerly extinct species. In this series, we'll be learning about the story of Destiny's Dragons. This time we'll focus on their origins and interactions with the Hive & the Awoken.
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If you were to give the ahamkara dragon baby next season a name, what would you name it?
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I want ahamkara armor for titans, so hopefully that comes out.
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Byf I just wanna say that you're amazing. Way back when I was in middle school (I'm in college now) your lore videos got me hooked on the Destiny narrative, specifically your videos on Rasputin and SIVA. The Ahamkara have always been a super interesting topic and I'm so glad that you've made this! I can't wait to see what lore videos you make next, you'll always be my favorite youtuber
Same here. The lore kept me playing Destiny longer than I was actually interested. I still watch Byf’s lore videos to keep up with the story but I stopped playing before Witch Queen.
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Hey shhhhh, don't make him feel old
@@michaelmontalvo7441congrats on your coming out!
As corny as it may sound, Byf’s way of explaining the lore and narrative of Destiny as well as storytelling generally honestly helped me to grow as a writer and eventually pursue an English degree. Bro’s such a great creator
There’s an old sparrow who’s lore has its guardian getting in trouble for having a dragon painted on it and the vanguard chastised them for it. The response was “dragons are cool”
Dinas Emerys if I remember correctly?
It did come up in my research, but it wasn't relevant enough to include.
@@true-zr9bmcompletely off topic
@MynameisByf I think it makes for the thought that the vanguard are paranoid of the CONCEPT of dragons, to where the depiction of one merits criminal investigation. Even the respect for a dragon leads to the fear that it's due to a deal made, or the desire for one, which could lead to an accidental wish.
@@Seasonofwar1skill issue
@@Blank-Paper Then again plenty of guardians literally wear Ahamkara bones in their armour.
Praedyth: Man, I hope I get to fight like this forever.
Ahamkara: *Bet.*
The techeuns watching us land in the dreaming city : uh, watcha got there?
Hunters carrying several ahamkara exotics : a smoothie
Destiny has had incredible designs over the years, some incredibly creative and unique.
But I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an amazing design for these beasts. I can’t imagine any other way dragons obsessed with Faustian bargains would look.
I hope we see an Ahamkara flying
@Seasonofwar1skill issue
Too bad the writing went down the gutter
4:58 Quick and super important note. Remember what Savathun said during the intro to season of the lost? "Who is Savathun you ask? You already know, oh guardian mine..."
And Riven at the end of Last Wish? "I thought they'd never leave. You and I are not done. We're inseparable now. Through your actions, we've forged an age-old bond between my kind and yours. One wish granted deserves another. And I cannot wait to show you what SHE asked for. O murderer mine..."
I think you're onto something. Additionally, Savathun has encountered the wish dragons prior to Last Wish stuff. Maybe Savathun started this plan to subvert the Witness then? Or the echoes of those plans as she learned about the Wish dragons? This is speculative, but something was brewing well before out characters on the scene.
@@MyCupOfTea101 Don't worry, its not speculative. Read through the books of sorrow and once more does Sathona use phrases of oh [noun] mine.
The worm -
Carved in my code by Sathona -
Who should be afraid -
1. It was my father’s familiar. I ripped it from him as we fled. It is a dead white thing, segmented, washed up from the deep sea.
2. It’s dead, but it still speaks to me. It says: listen closely, oh vengeance mine...
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Sathona’s Protest
Sisters, I have my father’s familiar. Look! It answers me in plain words. It helped me find this ship. It gives me strength when hope is lost.
Who will you trust? The voice that wants us to live and suffer, as we have lived and suffered? The Leviathan that offers no hope against Taox or the world-wave?
Or the plain, honest worm?
Let us see where its whisper leads us, Aurash. Let us go deeper, Xi Ro!
Let us dive, oh sisters mine.
Sorry, I’m a bit dumb. What does this mean? What does it imply? Seems like a very important note
@@hlwnspice implies riven talked to us at the start of that season, and was talking about savathun. And foreshadowed the season of the wish
@@true-zr9bmoff topic again
Ahamkara have to be my favorite things in destiny lore. Everything about them is great, the O ___ mine stuff, granting wished from just a bone, even just the choice of the name Ahamkara is great. It just is a word that feels so good to say.
@Seasonofwar1skill issue
O, sweet child of mine🎶
~Guns'n'Roses, a powerful group of dragons
That white glowing flame around the Ahamkara in the spoiler for the season released shortly after the puzzle was solved looks quite a bit like the odd mist floating out of Cayde's eyes in the trailer for The Final Shape. Perhaps the 15th wish is to put someone behind the enemy's defenses, someone who could open the gates for us to follow. Wouldn't it make a ton of sense if the final wish of Forsaken, tucked away in its Triumph page for 5 years, was the one thing every player of the expansion wanted?
The 15th wish being the collective desire of the Traveler's defenders to have Cayde back would be an absolutely PERFECT narrative tie-off! Wishing him reborn again inside the Traveler seems like the best possible way to work his resurrection into the existing lore and help bring the years-long narrative of devotion, bravery, and sacrifice full circle heading into The Final Shape. I think you totally called it :D
@@SirSpuddington You do realize how wishes work... Right? There was a movie or show that wished someone back. They were not the same. There is always a cost. Let Cayde rest. He has earned his freaking rest 10 times over. Most people would not be thrilled if they were brought back.
If you are not willing to deal with the consequences, don't wish it. And something like this, playing god, will have dire consequences.
Like it or not, mr second reply, cayde is confirmed coming back.
But you would have had a point if you were like "ahamkara wishes are monkey's paw wishes"
But noooooo, you tried to cite unrelated junk like some dumbfuck movie or tv show, without even going into specifics.
Pay attention to the context, because in this you have nothing worth adding
@@fulgerion Had we simply asked Riven to do so, I imagine that's what would have happened. The last 5 years have given us two advantages we can leverage in this respect:
1) 30:31 A diminished division between Reality-As-Is (the physical world, objective reality, "Light") and Reality-As-Desired (constructs of the mind, subjective reality, "Darkness").
2) 7:42 A new code for the Wish Wall, originally intended by Queen Mara Sov to limit an Ahamkara's ability to misinterpret/twist demands.
@@true-zr9bm Considering this has nothing to do with the root comment, I'm guessing this is a bot? Unless you think I've somehow datamined assets that aren't in the game yet.
As another sucker for dragons, I can't wait to see the full series of Ahamkara lore. Wish they were talked about and expanded upon more in-game. I'll wait for season of the wish tho, not sure how deep they'll go.
You.. wish?? Great now we know why we got the season and the fucking ahamkara twisted it into a 7 month one
You and me both XD
We've already had a Deep season! But maybe they can do a second one.
@@obliviouscrab3125 I never should’ve completed the imbaru engine
@@dembro27 Deep in water, not a super engaging story/gameplay loop (I attribute the witness stuff to something that honestly should’ve been in lightfall). I will give it the dungeon tho. Hoping for more tbh.
“Oh how I have changed”
I found this quote by Azirim really haunting, because it partially subverts the ‘Oh -noun- mine’ form of the invocation, as a really casual rhetorical trick, before using the full invocation to commit murder.
Do you think now that there is an uncorrupted wish dragon , the species will come back from extinction by say a wish or something
I think this is the last thing we want happening there’s a reason these thing wrre huntedvto exiction
No, I agree, but now that there is a wish dragon that isn't taken, it opens up the flood gates
@@nightfurynadder1992 which is why we need to make this this thing doesn't go crazy
@@pugwash1I'd raise a baby wish dragon. Not sure about others
There will be a catch 21 to the wish I think...it may involve us doing a favor for a favor which may result in the dragons returning in some compacity. I think we will need to find a way to limit there return or limit what they can do...Faustian deals are a serious danger.
Bit of an odd thought regarding the Ahamkara egg we found in the Imbaru engine. What if the egg was taken from the conquest of the Harmony? It would certainly be from a time before Savathun met Riven who was corrupted by Taken energy. Also it is said in the books of Sorrow that Savathun had completed something in secret after the battle with the Harmony. Mind you this is just a thought on how the Witch Queen obtained an Ahamkara egg uncorrupted.
It is fitting that the last two seasons before Final Shape are centered around two opposite usage of a power that we've always been curious about. Season of the Witch somewhat explained how Hive magic operates and what role the worms play in that usage of that magic. Here in the upcoming Season of the Wish, I hope we'll be given a much more elaborate explanation of how Awoken powers operates and how they tied the wish magic into it during the time Riven was still alive.
Thank you for giving the lore on the dragons of desire the space it needs to breath. This is one of my favourite topics in Destiny, second only to the Warmind, Rasputin. Wish-dragons and their tricky ways really make me feel like we play as space knights, rogues, and wizards. And hopefully, our desire to follow the Witness isn't undermined by our own desire for personal power.
The use of the "O [noun] Mine" is very similar to what Dr. Strange did to Dormammu in 'Doctor Strange (2016)', using the Time Stone to trap the dark entity until a bargain was made.
The fact that Titans are the only Guardian class without any Ahamkara-themed Exotic armors is probably connected to the Great Hunt, as Eris mentions in the lore tab featuring Wei Ning.
I havent thought about the Ahamkara since Lightfall. Im now really seeing them as Darkness parasites. Feeding on wishes, a particular type of thought and there for darkness
Isn’t riven bound to us since we wished for her death? Kinda just waiting for her to come back into the story
This is why I have loved Dragons since I was a little kid. Dragons as a species hold knowledge, power, and magic beyond human comprehension. In every form they have taken across books, tv, and video games, they have always simply been more.
Byf carrying my love for lore in destiny since I was 16 much love man
I checked out Psalm lab a couple weeks back and was surprised to see you’d dropped in and left a comment. His content is amazing. Normally, I just come here because I get the explanation with a bit of periphery. Standard video essay format. Myelin is another great channel and is good if you seek a different perspective but they style feels the same but with different animation.
Psalm feels different. Engaging. If this is a video essay, his videos are like watching a David Attenborough documentary. The lore readings have VAs dub. Editing is well done with graphics and to accompany said graphics, they’re used to separate the video into chapters. Really good that there’s segmentation like that. As much as I like both you and Myelin the one thing Psalm gets right is not that stream of consciousness video essay format. It really is step by step lore.
I'm surprised that Byf didn't use the story of King Midas as an example of a twisted wish.
King Midas: Old but gold.
awesome to see that you're bringing out the lore on the ahamkara at this time, as a wannabe hive god, the ahamkara are my 2nd favorite design so far
Hello sir byf! This might be a late one, but from a casual destiny solo grinder (yay LFG) who often times skips seasons and battlepasses, I wanna say thank you for making this ahamkara series
I deeply appreciate Byf and the others who are so dedicated to covering Destiny lore. For a number of reasons, I just don't have the same passion for playing the game and getting that story for myself like I used to, and that was *before* Bungie made some very ill-advised (and thoroughly discussed) choices.
So, yeah, kudos to Byf & co. for creating monster content like this for us all to enjoy the game's lore, narrative, and story, no matter where our own Guardians actually are quest/gameplay wise.
I just finished watching the last video and I immediately looked to see if this video was posted yet.
I'm so ready for this entire series 👀. Can't wait to hear it all
O the Ahamkara, probably my favourite depiction of dragons in all sci-fi/fantasy media I've seen.
I love that you're doing this series, the great hunt is one of those stories that so easily falls to feeling like myth more so than something characters we know participated in.
I absolutely love Dragons i am all in on this series
Byf thank you for all that you do for the lore fans and D2 players, from the honest takes to the lore dives, you've made Destiny an amazing experience for me over the years
Yessss!!!! I was waiting for this!!!!!
I love so much everything about the Awoken and the Ahamkara.
I think the witness gave the dragons wish magic. The "our gods" line could be referring to the witness, and the act of "wish" magic is feeding on the potential of free will, and collapsing that potential into a finite, unavoidable future. A "wish" for something in the future to be certain.
Absolutely love everything about them. You deep diving into this is a dream come true I can not wait for the next parts your amazing as always!!!
Hey Byf, thanks for putting out a long video for us during these trying Destiny/Bungie time. You are one of THE Destiny peoples/TH-camrs for the community. Cheers!
I don’t play Destiny since the start of the year but any mention of dragons is enough to, almost, get me to play again. Almost. I will settle to listen to Byf ramble about it.
This channel and these types of videos are really helpful for semi new players like myself. I played destiny 2 from launch to forsaken, and then stopped, but I never really learned the lore. Now that I’m back to the game with around 100 hours, so much stuff has happened that I cannot understand without your videos
Hey Byf, I just wanted to say that I love your content! I started watching you in early middle school, and I have loved your videos ever since. You have gotten me through the low points in D2 and you are truly the reason me and my twin have continued to play the game. We always love listening to your content while we study for our college courses, and we love the quality of content you put out. Your vids are amazing and I just wanted to let you know that we appreciate you! Keep up the work, all of us who follow you are supporting you!
This is the best part of Destiny for me, the "what if" hype in lore and 'what-if' questions from something like that final cut-scene and new season announcement. Byf FTW
Yeah. The writers getting rid of any bit of mystery and speculation really killed the lore and story for me.
LOL..This is some great timing. Literally in my history right now is me looking at lore and history on the purpose of the ahamkara and why they exist from the past 2 days. Great timing on this video Byf.
Byf dropping another banger.
I did a lore segemnt for my speaking exam in secondary cause of you got a few of my friends hooked on destiny keep up the great work man 🎉🎉
Great job on the video Byf. I absolutely love listening to destiny lore...especially when it can fill in holes of knowledge we ("the mighty peons") would necessarily have access too. Keep up the great work.
Any day with a long form Byf video is instantly my new favorite day. Combine that with the subject being one of the biggest remaining mysteries, Wish Dragons, I'm one happy Guardian
Of all the allure of Destiny as a setting and all the compelling writing that's gone into it, the Ahamkara have always been my favorite- super looking forward to the rest of this series.
Hearing Gheleon and Praedyth’s names again has me looking at my D1 characters in DIM.
The game is so rich with lore and I could listen to these videos all day. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
I love these long format vids so much
Oh man, it'd be hilarious of Savathun's egg wasn't of Riven's brood, but was an old Harmony egg she's squirreled away for a later date.
This is excellent sir! Thank you for doing the long form lore videos.
Part of me hopes we see Asha and the new generation of Ahamakara meet. The worms and the wish dragons have always had an interesting similarity. Yet, are different, but so much the same. Parallels almost.
This is the mini series we all need and waited for. Go ahead, good sir!
Thank you Byf for the incredible coverage of the stories of Destiny. I stopped playing after the dreaming city, but your videos have kept me tied to this incredible tale. May you sing so that I can dream, O content creator mine.
@@true-zr9bm dunno mate, all I'll say is PvP is definitely the worst aspect of Destiny, always has been. I been playing since 2014 and I stopped playing d2 because it was too expensive.
Love the videos as always Byf! Keep up the great work!
This is going to be interesting, can't wait for the whole series
Ahamkara are truly so terrifying, once you think about them long enough. Literally! Also the last story with Azirim really reminds me of the Pied Piper story.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS LORE BIT!!! Wish Dragons are such a cool concept in the world of Destiny
“I’d shut them all in cells.” The last phrase comes from blood meridian when the judge talks about birds. what an interesting tribute
nice video! Never knew all of this existed before it. I don't even play the game anymore but love keeping up to the story with your channel
Idk why but around the forsaken era i decided to wait to read the lore books, had always planned to and never did. I think this video has finally gotten me to pick up reading through the immense amount of lore there is. I want to fall in love with this game again and i think you just helped me along byf thanks!
Fantastic video/content as always! Thank you!
Go on and make as many of these as you wish, I love the long form factor lore stories. I listen to them on road trips like audio books
Aside from the Cloudstrike lore, Ahamkara lore is my favorite in this game. I’m so excited for next seasons story and the potential problems it’ll cause lol.
You love to see a 53 minutes video and it says Part 1 on it. Its just *chef kiss*
Yeah, Riven (everything about) got me invested. Saved this for a good time to enjoy. much appreciated
Byf this is your best stuff yet. Keep it coming!
Was waiting for this one!!!😻❤️
Something I found really really interesting that you mention is the use of reflections. And how they can defeat the gods and deception. Hearing that makes the blue wall mechanic in the raid make alot more sense.
It’s been so long since I watched a hr video. The moment I hear dragons are back on the game I’m excited.
Incredible lore video my guy! Needed some background while I was farming on D2, but now I'm here for the content! Funny tidbit: when you started to read and quote from the Books of Sorrow, just as you started an ad for Burger King started and I was like Xivu wants burgers? Thats all she wants? Hahah!
Nailed this, my man. Well done
I love all the lore around the Ahamkara, from back when they were whispered about in the days of D1 and the Grimoire. Though present in the Grimoire cards and descriptions of the armour pieces linked to Ahamkara, the "O [noun] Mine" is properly explained later, in Truth To Power.
Didn’t see how long the video was gonna be, here I am thinking it’s gonna be the average time but then I hear “little mini series” and I look at the time ands it’s 52 minutes. I’m here for all of it.
As someone who is writing a story around an ahamkara of light, this is incredibly insightful into their nature and how the ahamkara act. I can’t wait for more.
Hell yeah, just the vid I was looking for
Definitely more of this!
Im so glad you did a rehash on ahmkara lore thank you byf
Thanks for the great hard work!!
I learned more from this video than years of destiny gaming. Such an interesting aspect of the destiny universe. They could make a whole game on this alone. Thank you for your hard in making this video.
Ahamkara stuff is always intriguing, and honestly, I like how all that explains the massive presence of amethyst, other gems and even shiny gem-like tech at the awoken. For the "O [noun] Mine", my immediate thought was that it is basically a seal of the deal they make with someone wishing.
Was really looking forward to this video. Dragon lore
Thanks for this Byf. It would be awesome to have a Warlock exotic based on Azirim’s lore that pairs with Phoenix Dive.
@@Seasonofwar1 Dude quit it with the spam
I just realized how old this footage is gameplay wise. Nostalgic
I love the triple precision weapons in the background gameplay
Superb Content Byf ❤
6:38 How fitting that Ahamkara, while originally being likely a tongue in cheek reflection of how it's a looter shooter and Guardians wants loot, Ahamkara became a reflection of the predatory entity that Bungie eventually became.
The part when they walked off the cliff singing reminded me of: Gardener is listening to the music of the insects amidst
the flowers, the unguent as it begins to drip from the ferns, the slight scratch of the Worm beneath, and not to
you, and certainly not to your cries for help.
The flying insects are only mentioned in the context of the worms and can only be Ahamkara. They feed differently but from the same source: Insects buzzed between the flowers, and worms slithered between the roots, feeding on what was and what might be, the first gradient in existence, the first dynamo of life. Rain fell from no sky. Voices spoke without mouth or meaning. A tree of silver wings bloomed yielded fruit shed feathers bloomed again.
Here they are pushed from the garden, thrash, and become large: And still, we grappled. Our rolling bodies pushed things out of the garden-worms and scurrying life from the fertile soil, wet things from the pools and the leaves. They came out into the madness of primordial space; they thrashed and became large.
'They' include the worms but don't seem to include the flying insects for they're not from the soil nor are they wet things from pools and leaves. Thrashed doesn't seem like a fit for the insects either.
So that said, with an emphasis on the Gardener listening to their music, the Ahamkara first appeared in the Sol System after the Traveler arrived. A warlock from the ghost fragment: warlock said "Think of how mysterious this system is. How much life sprung up when the traveler came. Like the ahamkara."
That means before anything related to the darkness knew where it was, the Ahamkara knew and was either following behind the Traveler or came with it, still feeding off of what was and what might be. They also coincide with what the gardener wanted. The new rule was to ensure and reward new patterns, to shake things up a bit. That's what wish dragons accomplish and while they may seem evil, the gardener took on the role of the winnower during the flower game so it's not above killing and it doesn't reward the undeserving. Neither do the dragons and they don't interfere with the Traveler nor does it run from them.
Assuming Bungo had the Ahamkaras story fleshed out in advance, they seem directly connected to the Traveler. Not the light or dark, because they existed before either one, but to whatever the Gardener is. Then again Bungie is probably making it all up as they go.
Ive always been enamored by the ahamkara im hoping we get more and more stories regarding them post the season of the wish
I've always wanted to know more about Wish Dragons!
So glad you are telling people about psalm.
Ain’t no stopping the Byf !
Bfy, You Mad Lad, This is WILDLY LONG. And put a "part 1" Cant wait for part 2
Didn't even realize the video was 50 minutes long till I finished
It's cool that Destiny Dev used a good amount of dragon lore from other media like Tolkien for the Ahamkara. Also when talking about magic and with the reflection to help counter act the Ahamkara magic in most fantasy lore order for magic or magic spells to work one has see and hear the magic or spell order for it have a effect on the individual. At least, I remember hearing that in some fantasy media.
"careful what you wish for" is the Ahamkara in a nutshell
Good content mate!
Babe wake up Lore daddy dropped a new vid
ngl I clicked this for the artwork in the thumbnail. Nice work, Meta!
Absolutely love the ahamkara in Destiny. They have to be some of my favourite lore in the game and claws of ahamkara is still my favourite exotic since D1 even if its perk might be "basic" in the sandbox of the game.
Up to 60 pages and not even to the great hunt. Byf you don't have to bring Christmas early bro.. loving it o' lore bearer mine
So Ahamkara's are basically shape shifting wish granting Cats, they live among Awoken but do not fully trust them.
byf we really appreciate you I hope you know that
When I first saw riven...I always wanted like a smaller one. I was like, how cool would it be to have a dragon fight with us. I'm excited I guess to see how this goes