HOW TO FILL a 4x4 Necromunda Zone Mortalis with Scratch Built Walls!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- A Zone Mortalis table can get expensive, very fast. What if you could fill a large table by combining the Zone Mortlais Columns and Walls for Necromunda with a lot of scratch built terrain. Keeping it all modular and semi-modular and letting you use it in other games (Stargrave, Space Hulk, Warhammer 40k, Kill Team). A big ask. Let's see if we can solve that.
How can Zone Mortalis Columns and Walls seamlessly combine with scratch built ones? We take a look at the pros and cons of scratch building and work out if you can get a time and money balance between plastic kits and scratch built pieces.
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00:00 Intro
02:19 Attempting scratch building - a door
03:42 Mix and match scratch building
04:29 Making concrete walls
06:34 Adding platforms to scratch walls
07:12 The final walls
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Lol!!! Just went on Amazon to look at some crazy straws. Scrolled down to see what other suggestions there were and in the Frequently Bought Together section it had crazy straws,chipboard and straight copper pipe solder ring fittings aka barrels. I about died laughing. Apparently a lot of us are buying those things together.
Pipes, barrels and platforms. The easy way!
You know I don't know whether to love you or to hate you. I find your test right after I buy four boxes of the new kill team into the dark, that I got for the terrain inside. Oh I wish I'd seen this first would have saved me a bundle. As always keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing your next video.😂
I’d it makes you feel better - I also have the Boarding Actions box which I plan to integrate. So they’ll come in very handy for you!
Adding a reminder for when I come back to this video with a pencil in hand. (4:29)
Outstanding work! I really value what you are doing right now, as I work on a ZM-compatible shrine world hive of my own.
Glad it helped! So it’s not only me that was wanting more for less and to make stuff work together.
@@thestateofplay2023 absolutely. The timing is perfect too. I just finished my first fully-scratchbuilt tile and thought, "this is too much..."
@@strongbif That’s a solid achievement! I didn’t even get that far. My first box of tiles were warped so I took them back immediately. 🤣
I love the insight you've been sharing with these videos. It gave me a slew of new ideas on how to tackle a terrain set I have yet to build. Thanks for sharing :D
Brilliant! That’s exactly what I’m aiming for with this channel. Getting people to think about things in different ways to improve what you’ve got and make it work better for you.
Fantastic idea and implementation Thank you. Keep up the great content!
Glad you liked it! More to come.
This is exactly what I have been trying to do myself!! Great video! Instant sub
You’re very welcome. Great minds think alike!
But I like rummaging through the recycling bin! I feel attacked - first my wife, now you... seriously though, the idea of taking premium kits like GW's and then 'diluting' the super detailed bits with some plainer home-made parts to make a £50 set produce £100 worth of terrain (or whatever) is something I have always tried to do with this hobby. You're nailing it.
I used to like rummaging. But everything in the recycle looks like a sci fi building! I don’t need any more sci fi buildings. 🤣
Very cool concepts! I love it when people find cheap solutions to problems! Excellent work! You just earned a subscriber!
Thank you. High praise indeed.
Another great video, thanks. How did you manage to get paint to stick to the silicone junctions in the straw pipes please?
Ah that old chestnut.
Shellac primer. Sticks to absolutely anything. Or oil paints thinned with white spirit. Then acrylic spray on top when dry.
As long as you don’t ever bend the silicone too much, it’s just fine. Be we do t really bend terrain anyway so you’ll be good!
I've just found your videos, im so glad I did. Where do you get the sculpture block from in the UK?
I got it on Amazon but not sure if it’s still available. Normal blue foam will work it just needs cut to the right size.
What we need are sprue with standard structure so that left over bits of sprue are always to scale with railing height.
Yes, that would make sense!
Good ideas here!
Thank you!
Great video
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Fantastic. I want to make some of these for Dust Tactics.
Cool! Let me know how they work out!
@@thestateofplay2023 I found the kids pipes on Amazon, but not finding anything under Balsa Foam Blocks.
Looks like that product is only available in Belgium and The Netherlands.
Every time I find your channel I'm surprised that you dont have 100k+ subs, but then I have to remind myself that your channel is relatively new still. No question in another 6 months your numbers will skyrocket, everything is just far too high in quality for any other alternative
🤣🤣 it’s only be 6 months. I honestly didn’t think I’d be where I am in that time. Thanks!!
Thank you for that video. Really inspiring as I'm in the same situation as you with a Dark Uprising basic set bought second hand but not enough elements to fit a whole table. It got me thinking, how about mixing the cheap and easy to do XPS foam cubes like Eric's sandwiched with a 3D printed iron cladding ? It should fix the not-enough-walls-in-a-kit-for-that-many-columns problem and allow me to cut on the time and materials needed to print. l’d be able to print flat (huge time and money saver) and still manage a close to accurate look. Gotta try that...
I agree. To keep costs even lower you could literally cut the arches out of card. Two layers of that on top of each other with slightly wider arches would make them look inset. Poke trimmed dress making pins through to look like rivets. 😀. Saves both money and time on the 3D print.
Very cool ideas. This makes Balsa Foam look like the secret, hidden uber-material we should all be using for building terrain ... and yet I don't think I've heard of it used before, despite watching too many "how to make terrain" videos. Are there any drawbacks to balsa foam compared to the other options? Why isn't it used as often? Thanks for your great content!
I guess balsa foam is a bit more expensive and doesn’t come in huge sheets like blue foam. So for making huge sculpted tables it’s probably not right. But for smaller terrain I prefer it as it holds its shape better.
There’s also the thing in this hobby where no one really looks for new stuff. We all just do what everyone else does. 🤣
@@thestateofplay2023 Also where do you get it from? I had a search but the only thing coming up as specifically "balsa foam" is by AK and only seems to come in 10mm thick A4 sheets which are quite expensive for what they are, not the thicker looking blocks you seem to have.
@@sonicwingnut I got it from Amazon in the U.K.
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Hope this links to the correct thing. I don’t know what country you’re in for the right link.
It’s called “Sculpture Block” in the U.K. Amazon store.
I've been looking all over for this kind of foam. Where would one get it? Thanks!
I got it from Amazon. It’s called sculpture block.
I'll have a look at this, was definitely wondering what to invest in in terms of plastic kits as like you say, a combined approach is probs the best balance between budget and utility. The columns and walls are clearly the biggest investment for the simplest terrain so I think I'll try this and instead buy another set of stairs and platforms which should both enhance these and add a few extra things like stairs which are way harder to make from scratch.
What glues did you use btw? Was it just PVA for the balsa blocks then superglue for the extra plastics?
Good plan! And yes, totally bang on with the glues. I also stuck cocktail sticks when joining the balsa to hold it together while the glue dried.
3:10 Exactly. Making this stuff yourself for 'free' is only 'free' if your time has no value.
If you work in any kind of professional field, think about how much money you could make with 24 hours focused on working (extra job, contracts, etc) That's 3 working days.
Now take that money and see how may sprues of ovepriced GW plastic you could have bought instead.
My sentiments exactly. A week building terrain is a vast amount of time value when you can cut and assemble a sprue in minutes. And the price of that single sprue will be way less than a week of lost finance.
Stupid comparison. You can't usually work infinite hours at your job. Every time someone missuses "Opportunity Cost" it makes me want to tear my hair out.
@@alexanderandrews6980 I don’t think it’s a direct comparison to a “job” but more a value on your “time”. Would you rather spend 8 hours building terrain or 2 hours on terrain, 2 hours on a movie, 2 hours watching sports and 2 hours of paid overtime and still get great terrain at the end. 👍🏼😀
@alexanderandrews6980 Looks like people have misused opportunity cost a lot around you.
Could you not leave some teeth on the tile to bite into the foam blocks, which, once glued, would give added strength and stability? Just a thought.
Good thought. I did try that, trying to save myself from trimming off thousands of teeth. But the teeth aren’t “sharp “ enough to push into the foam well. So you can’t get the heights to match.
You saw Magratheas Channel?
I have indeed. Love that guy, but he glues things down to tiles or MDF which is what I’m trying to avoid.
Is the foam very sturdy? It seems like it might fall apart with use.
Yup very sturdy. I’ve used it for years and it’s as sturdy as any other terrain when accidents happen. Once it’s painted, varnished and done it’s great stuff.
@@thestateofplay2023 seems like balsa foam might be out of production, at least here in the States. Sad if true.
@@brim-skerdouglasson To be honest the ordinary blue foam works just as well, I bought the balsa stuff as it came in the right thickness in the pack but it's not that different.
Great stuff, you inspired me to make my own walls and later integrate with some GW terrain.
Question about the length of your walls. Given that a GW collumn is 5.75cm wide and yours are about 5cm (2"), did you make longer walls to catch up the missing .75 cm? Also how long are double walls? Just double the length of one?
Thanks a bunch.
Some excellent questions here!
GW long walls are 9.5com long. As I cut everything by hand I needed some wiggle room for both assembly and glueing on the platforms. With a more precise way of cutting I could have probably got them totally exact but when I did a test I needed that extra .75 to be able to add doors anywhere I wanted. The doors slot into recesses on plastic columns and walls , as there’s a protruding ridge to do that. If you make the walls exactly 9.5 (long) and short (4.25) then you can’t put the doors in place. I suppose you could cut a recess but then the concrete walls look weird.
So basically I picked an arbitrary.75 leeway to give me room for doors and to glue platforms. You could probably get it more precise than me and if you don’t want doors than just add the .75 to the walls.
Anyway, I figured in an underhive the concrete walls didn’t have join perfectly due to age, wear and ruin so a few small gaps would be ok.
Hope that helps!
@@thestateofplay2023 Sorry I am a bit confused, Do you mean that you removed .75 from the length of a wall making them about 3.5cm long or that .75 just comes from the collumns being shorter? 2 boards of 1" each equals 2" which is roughly 5cm making the collumns 0.75cm shorter than their GW counterpart but not the walls.
I believe these are the measurements you ended up with:
Short: 4.25cm
Long: 9.5cm
Collumns: 2" (~ 5cm)
Am I correct?
@@part_time_commie Yes, you are absolutely correct!
@@thestateofplay2023 Thanks a bunch, on my way to making some. A friend of mine lent me a thermal cutting table. It's a breeze to well sized foam walls with this. I'll build some simple platforms and stairs with chip board afterward and perhaps buy some GW kits later to complement the foam walls... or maybe it's the foam walls that will complement the GW walls.
@@thestateofplay2023 Hi, I have a question after I built a bunch (it's great with a thermal cutting table) and I was wondering if you coated them in anything to protect them or wish you did? Did you go straight to coating with paint? Any primer?
Thanks