Shoei Personal Fitting System - Full Process Explained - Get the right fit!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- Shoei has just launched their P.F.S. or Personal Fitting System in the UK, and I went along to the first event, held at Bikestop in Stevenage. The PFS is a highly technical method of ensuring you get the perfect fit for your Shoei Helmet. It's the same system used by professional racers from MotoGP, the Isle of Man TT, BSB etc. You too can now get this sophisticated offering via a network of premium Shoei retailers, so I took the opportunity to go through the whole process with Chris from Shoei UK to show you exactly what's involved, and what the results are. A massive thanks to Chris and Martin for allowing me to hijack the launch event to bring you this video.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:27 - What is PFS?
03:29 - The measuring process
07:24 - What goes into the helmet
10:17 - Test Fit
12:47 - Fixing the adjustment pads
15:40 - Final Check
17:50 - First Ride in the Helmet & Conclusions - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Every brand should offer this service.
A pleasure to welcome you and a privilege to be the first to launch.
Do you guys still do PFS fittings?
@@curnobullen absolutely. We were the first to start ……
@@bikestopuk thank you for getting back to me. I will give you guys a call.
What a fantastic service and that chap is very knowledgeable. All my helmets have been Shoei,I will never change
That is a clever idea. Evolution of the fitting service.
Ride safe 👍
Thanks, you too!
great service
Great service, and an interesting proposition Tony
Shoei is already offering this service in France. They adjusted the foam of my GT air 2 last year. It’s a big improvement in comfort and silence!
Awesome service from Shoei ! Thsnk you for sharing and explaining how it works!
Thanks for watching!
Fascinating and informative video
Glad you enjoyed it
Cool system.
Brilliant idea and very simple, with decent helmets costing £400 and above it’s a shame all manufacturers don’t do the same, especially as it is probably the most important bit of kit we buy. Well done Tony another good un.
Great video Tony 👍🏻 I was amazed by the PFS. Having had an Arai pro fit which was lots of back and forth, bit here, new problem here, bit there, etc. The PFS was right first time! Unbelievable! I went with the x-spr pro which didn’t fit at all stock, literally 4 pads and boom. I’m a shoei convert!
Nice, it was great to meet you and glad you got the X-spr pro sorted. Such a great looking lid
wish more manufacturers come up with the same fitting service, no brainer for sure, awesome video Tony, cheers V!
Cheers V
I must say your way of doing video impress me a lot. Just to have two different cameras in here you get such much more dynamic and interesting views. These fittings should be on every single helmet for every one. Because it makes such a huge difference. Great video sir. Cheers
A difficult product to demonstrate in the sense of how it feels at the end, but it was obvious that it was a better fit at the end than the beginning. A great service. I think they would do well at the ABR with this service.
That’s a great idea, worth sharing with them!
I got the neotec 2 last year, find the wind noise slightly louder than my previous neotec 1, now the 3 is out, I'd definitely have this fitting service if available. 👍
I think its definitely worth it, makes a real difference
Exciting. I'm in Louisiana. I have a very large head. Currently I have an HJC I90 5XL with a 4XL liner. My jaw width and cheek width are likely larger than 5, maybe 6XL. My cranium fits fairly well in the 4XL liner. I'm a Goomba-headed American. I look forward to this PFS system.
I also have a big coconut and was limited to HJC helmets until the new series Schuberths were released. They fit me great.
@@MrGbustamante thanks. I'll look into that.
Great video Tony. Any idea when the full review will come out on the GT Air 3? Im really interested in this helmet.
I’m working on it at the moment, should be in a couple of weeks.
Thanks Tony, really interesting. I'm not too sure what the computer added to the equation but the end result was obviously really good. Where is the service offered?
No Worries, the computer shows which pads are required where dependant on the measurements. They are rolling it out across 10 dealers around the UK. So far only Bikestop, The Biker Company in Cheltenham and Moto Legends in Guildford have been announced.
Good watch, first-time viewer! If you are prepared to pay best part of a grand for custom proper fitting leathers then i dont think an extra £50 for a custom fitting helmet is much to pay at all!
Great video, thanks. Where can I get this done?
They are rolling it out across 10 dealers in the UK, Bikestop is the first, I think they are at The Biker Company in Cheltenham this Saturday (16th March) keep an eye on Shoei Helmets UK social media for more locations
Hello, great informative video 👍🏼
Should you not have to pay £50 fitting service charge if you buy the helmet?
I imagine many retailers will ‘throw in’ the PFS service when you buy the helmet, but that’s down to them. It is essentially a separate service though
Tony, if one buys an Arai, is the fitment size the same as a Shoei? Any advice?
Very interesting, I struggle to find helmets that fit the top of my head, my cheeks and my chin consistently well. Shoei and Arai happen to be the best fit most of the time, would be really interesting to see if i could get a perfect fit this way!
Would be worth investigating, whilst I was there in the shop a guy with an unusual shaped head came in. He’d had lots of problems getting a helmet to fit properly and although it was a tough one, Chris managed to get a Neotec 3 to fit perfectly.
@@mancavemoto your comment about a man with an "unusual shaped head" has tickled me, I hope that's not how people describe me!
@Geshmaal Haha, no he looked quite normal, but ‘unusual’ in terms of getting a helmet to fit. He had a round head, but quite a flat crown.
Shoei personal fitment service has been around for at least 6 years in mainland Europe
Great video!!! I am new rider, live in the US and I have a shoei rf 1400 XL. I wanted to order an glamster XL from the UK. Do you think that it will fit ok? Thank you
Thanks, to tricky to say as the European and US helmets have a slightly different headform.
Sounds great, I had a right faff getting a helmet to fit my apparently humongous head.
Curious though... I've always been told helmets will loosen up so should feel tight to start with.
Is that because of how much we compress the liners each time?
I'm wondering.... If we get a perfect fit helmet, will it loosen up too much or be spot on for ever as liners not getting too compressed?
You were told that by a salesman....aka the trousers will ride up with wear!🎉
Chris said you’ll get a maximum of 10% bedding in. If the helmet is too tight to start with that’s not going to be comfortable. The perfect fit is snug and allows for a small element of bedding in
@@mancavemoto Many thanks bud. I'll keep an eye on their feed to see how far "Oop Norf" they come 😁
H[ Tony
As a Shoei user(neotec 2) and massive fan of the brand will this service be available at all Shoei stockists or just a limited number of stockiists, [ enjoy your channel and keep up with the great content
Hi Nigel, initially they are rolling it out in 10 dealers around the UK. it will probably roll out further from there, but they have to trin the staff so it will take some sign
My helmet made my jaw hurt after about 45 minutes, to the point I'd have to pull over and take the helmet off for a bit. Ended up just cutting open the cheek pads to trim the foam down and sew it back together. Looks crap but doesn't hurt anymore
I'm rather sceptical folks. 4 different measurement points offers two sizes and one of which is clearly uncomfortably small; what am I missing? I wear 3 different Arai helmets but a Neotec 2 was simply too tight against my forehead. Bought a Schubert C5 in a Large, Medium in everything else, and bought the long oval conversion lining. It's not an Arai but is a flip front that doesn't give me a headache. Thanks Tony.
It suggested two sizes, which as Chris said they’ll always try two sizes anyway. The measurement doesn’t take into account things like your cheek and jawline, so although a smaller helmet might fit snugly on the skull, if you have fat cheeks (like me) or a more protruding jaw for example, that would make it less comfortable. I’m the opposite it seems, a couple of Arais fit me, Shoei is normally very good as is Nexx and Nolan, but despite many attempts I just can’t get a Schuberth to fit me.
I purchased a Neotec 2 awhile ago and felt it was too small. It hurt within 15 minutes and I couldn’t put on my glasses. My previous helmet was a Neotec that fit comfortably but the salesman said it was too large and I needed to go down one size. I returned to the store and bought a thinner crown piece that gave me more room. The helmet is now comfortable to wear for hours. I may buy thinner cheek pads however.
At the price of this helmet, $699 USD, shouldn’t some custom fitting be included in that price? I paid $50 for the crown piece. Replacement cheek pads are another $55 USD.
Love shoei fits my round head great and shark also , i buy ethir when i have tbe money depends on the presure points which this should help
I’m 3 days too late! Ordered a Neotec 3 on Thursday and it was delivered today, doh.
You can still get it fitted, its not only when you buy the helmet. Just book an appointment and take the helmet in!
Not sure the measuring tool offered much. Good service all the same. Hope that’s the helmet you wanted, looks fantastic
The tool and the PFS system give you a starting point very close to the final fit.
I think it offers a lot, it means you start with a better idea of what’s going on rather than just asking the person ‘how does that feel. You should already be a starting position close to where you need to be, then it’s just a bit of tweaking. It’s the helmet I was buying, so to be able to get it fitted was a bonus. I could have worn it in the size off the shelf, but once having it fitted I realised how much better it was.
Are Bikestop offering this as a regular service now or is it only if a Shoei fitter is coming to the shop?
It's a regular service now the staff have all been trained. You just need to make an appointment.
Do you pay extra for this service or is it included in the price of the helmet. I have noticed their prices have gone up a great deal recently.
It’s a £50 charge for the service, either for a new helmet or an existing one.
What helmet have you gone for.
Do you always go for full face as opposed to flip front
Not always, but I want to use this helmet to replace my RYD as my main ‘camera’ helmet and a flip doesn’t work for that
Where can I buy those little foam inserts?
They are only available through the PFS system, don’t think you can buy them separately.
Can i get the pad kit and instructions in u.s. i live in tucson az. And cannot find anyone to adjust my helmet, need more in front and back i believe
That is a question for Shoei America, i cannot answer that one
Anyone know the list of store/dealers that offer this? checked on the Shoei website and they are all in mainland Europe with no results showing in UK (scotland ideally). Recently bought a HJC on sale and it is my first helmet so not entirely sure on how its supposed to fit haha so having this kinda service would be hugely beneficial for my next proper helmet that i plan to spend quite a bit of money on and will also get used alot more as i will prob end up buying a bike during that time.
They are rolling it out across 10 dealers in the UK, keep an eye on Shoei UKs socials where they are releasing them
Great idea...Will it be shop staff that do the fitting or someone from Shoei ??
If it's an event it will most likely be the Shoei Technician, but the staff will all receive the full training programme.
What about when the material get worn in and gives a bit in different directions ? So resize every year ?
@@mengaw-yong2490 as Chris mentions in the video, when a helmet liner beds in, it at most will be by no more than 10%, so that is allowed for when fitting.
Thanks sorry didn’t finish video updating software
When he fitted the pads there was no mention of the top was that because they were not needed
Seems like measuring and guessing, but this is far better than the experiences I have had. Helmets never fit me. I would be so happy to have this service.
Guessing? Where did you get that from
@@mancavemoto Guessing might have been a bad description, but it seemed like too much variance is left in the calculation. I'm aware you could have the pads reduced in the medium helmet to fit better, but I assumed that the system they are implementing would tell you EXACTLY what you needed. Like, you punch in the measurements, and it tells you that you need "these" helmets in "these" sizes with "these" specific pads in "these" places. Instead, it suggested "Medium OR Large" with X pads. Just seems less like a science, and more like an educated guess. Either way, it looks like a step in the right direction.
Yep, unfortunately its not an exact science. Until we get to the stage of 3d head scans this is about the best we can expect 👍
Can they still go in the washing machine with the additional pads?
I’d recommend a hand wash at 30 degrees, although if you do use the washer, be sure to use a laundry bag to put the liner in.
I’m surprised they didn’t try a thicker center pad for you since that’s kind of what he did?
This is more tailored than just changing the skull liner. Subtle changes to make sure there’s an even contact point all around the head
I tried all the helmets in the world and non of them fits as they should. We will see how the PFS system will handle the challenge of my head shape.
I’ve fitted over 300 heads using this system and haven’t been defeated yet. There’s been some very unusual heads in that mix. PFS Day at Biker company Cheltenham this Saturday if you fancy a fit?
My shoei x zero helmet is the right size for me measured around the circumfrance of top part of my skull ,but gives me headaches and puts preasure on the front part of my head so i changed to AGV now no problems same size helmet. Ah yes and AGV do M/L sizes which also helps.
But as you would notice from the video, when Chris measured the circumference of my head, he went lower at the back. As he said the circumference is only part of the fitting requirements
@@mancavemoto I agree here in Germany there is no such fittings anyway and I have 2 helmets from agv now nice information 👍 though.
The PFS system accounts for the shape and size of your head as explained at the start of the video. Circumference only doesn’t account for shape. I would suggest you need to lift the helmet to relieve that pressure but might need to compensate elsewhere in the helmet.
@@scootjockeyPFS is available in Germany
@@chrisball4959As my luck will have it we are riding to bikerhoff Hasselroth in Ibbenbüren today they do it ,but too late like i said i have 3 AGV helmets now one barry sheene replica for when i ride classic one k5 and one clap helmet,sothe need is no longer there.
Any idea if this service is Stateside yet?
Not yet I don’t think, might be worth reaching out to Shoei America
It is in the US now
i am ml 57 58 agv size, unfortunately there are no shoie stores in Serbia, i ordered the hornet adv in large because my friend told me they are more snug. do buyers that wear ml in agv usually go for a L in shoei ? i know it ibjective and size of the head. but curious
I can’t speak for others and it’s always difficult comparing sizes per brand as they have different head forms. I have a size Large Hornet, but also fit an M/L in an AGV K6
@@mancavemoto yea thats what iam hoping also, hope iam right, cant wait to get the hornet. are you satisfied with yours?
Yes its been a great helmet
@@mancavemoto ok thanks for responding , cheers brother
What's the cost of fitting in the UK?
As Chris mentioned in the video, it’s a £50 charge
The knobbly bump on the back of your head is called ian.. he has a name.
😂
Did it really recommend the Medium size initially? It did not even cover your chin.
It covered my chin, but not my beard! In terms of the skull fit though it wasn’t too bad. It doesn’t take account of your cheeks, jawline etc. if you have fat cheeks like mine then the smaller of the two sizes suggested might not work out.
@mancavemoto your head circumference was 60cm so I'm surprised that you could even get the Medium on! I'm not criticising PFS, but I'm curious as I have been doing this myself over the years as these pads have been on sale fir a long time.
I've been buying Shoei crash helmets for 30 years and always pick up a Large from the shelf. No fitting service or computers involved and they've always fitted just fine.
I would have to guess that the joke at the 14:00 minute mark did not go over well with his company. Cool guy though and very knowledgeable.
What joke?
I think she is referring to the hard pad fitted in the rear of the previous helmet you tried prior to filming
@@mancavemoto well played sir.
That’s just what a good helmet shops do, the Arai helmets have layered pads that you can take a couple of mm away a time
Really? This is the first time for a tailored service for the average consumer. What other helmet manufacturer or shop offers this pray? At best some shops offered a swap around of cheek pads etc but this is proper tailoring.
@@nikoscosmos every Arai Tech Pro and Premium Dealer, I can’t post pictures here but if you know anybody with an Arai helmet pull out the cheek pad and then pull back the sweat fabric and you’ll see that the cheek pad has layers. The skull caps come in a number of sizes.
@a9503128 no need to post pictures as I own an Arai. Not sure why you feel that you have to put down the Shoei service?
@@nikoscosmos I’m not, I’m stating it’s just normal helmet fitting process.
Not quite normal, as no other system will suggest the required pads and placement, based on the measurements. Arai do the same, but its more trial and error, it just takes longer going back and forth with different pads and locations 👍
So they spend 20 mins taking measurements , they are incorrect and it's best guess time ...lol.Liked and thanks as always...
It gave two possible options, the larger size was better and all that was needed from the computer model was to switch one front pad, which was my preference. Hardly guesswork. 👍
I hope the Shoei helmet was better than shoei joke😂
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The Germans took loads of all these measurements in the ‘40s. I’m surprised Schuberth hasn’t done this for decades