I’m a United States citizen who served in the Marine Corps during the Cold War as a very young man. My government taught us how Russians were our enemies wanting to destroy our country and way of life by whatever means necessary. Fast foreword years later and having the opportunity to meet and speak with many Russians I realized they are no different then Americans and our governments are the ones causing conflict and animosity toward one another. It’s a shame and sometimes I think they cause conflict and devise with other nations and between our people within our own country just for themselves. Job security.
true. it's hard to distinguish good from bad. we are bad to some countries too. But in the end we are all the same people trying to be good and make a life despite of politics
This is a load of sentimental crap. Why don't you educate yourself about the slavery that China is running in Africa and their carbon foot print which you pay for before you talk?
I am an American with some firsthand knowledge. I have been to mainland China several times. Most of the time not in Shanghai or Bejing. 3 of my children have lived there for 5 months each teaching English. I can tell you first hand that the Chinese people are kind and very hard working. It is crazy how capitalist it is for a communist country. We should be careful about juging a people by their government. My .02
The thing is American is going to Marx way. More center control. iPhone or Samsung, Tesla, Google, Facebook, IG, Telegram, Twitter. All are very monopolised and lobby with the government. Easier to control. We can't vote them out that control our live.
@@mdsign001lmao, there has been a riot in the white house not to long ago.should China copy the US with its 4 presidents assasinated 2 attempted assasinations in the past?
Don't be fooled. At the 3:43, Mickey looks suspiciously to the left, and a Chinese man with a gun is reflected in Martin's pupils. I suspect the matter is more serious than it seems
I know avoiding Chinese products does very little to the Chinese govt. But it makes me feel good. And I know its impossible to 100percent avoid Chinese stuff, but when I can, I do.
Hurting the chinese govt? Have you ever thought about the real ppl behind all those businesses? You have to understand that real normal people like you and me are working in those companies/factories. The ones that are gonna suffer first hand would be the citizens. I would just advice ppl not to buy into the hatred and fear mongering in the media. It's just cold war 2.0 mentality.
Its sad to see such ignorance in these comments. Please stop the virtue signalling crap and take a long hard look at the current environment involving China.
@@yiluis1316 There were real people in Nazi Germany too. We should not give aid and comfort to an evil regime. Do you think the Chinese workers care about American workers that they displaced?
In China, some types of knives are regulated tools, and for most Chinese, the most commonly used knives are Chinese kitchen knives. Because there is basically no opportunity for long-term outdoor life and extreme use of knives, most people will not buy expensive knives, so there is no broad domestic market, and therefore there is no knife factory that develops high-end knives. Based on this big environment, some small factories or workshops make cheap knives or imitation knives in order to survive. It really doesn't make any sense for you to compare knives costing 100 yuan with Fällkniven's knives that cost more than 100 dollars!
you guys don't owe anyone an explanation, but its appreciated anyway. I think you guys are doing smart business and taking everything into consideration, and I respect that. transparency is admirable, so keep up the good work guys.
Some shopping districts in Japan have loudspeakers shouting do not buy made in China products as this will kill the Japan industry; but sadly 50% of the shoppers are from Chinese tourists and they don’t understand Japanese.
As a machinist of 27 years, it's all about quality for me. It has nothing to do with where it was made. It's either good or bad and every country makes both. Here in America we think our junk is the best out there. It's not! Our biggest problem in manufacturing is greed. So everything is made way too fast and quality is ofter over looked. It's all about how many can we make in a day. Our workers have more pressure put on them about quantity over quality. Then we turn around and over price ourselves for poorly made junk.
Take a Becker knife.. remove the coating and see how sloppy they are made.. My leathernan charge TTI has toolmarks left by not going to a fine grit. I love both of them but this ‘US’ made is hype. The only good thing that China does not have yet is the warranty.. I can buy a China multitool on par with a Wave for 30,- or so. But Leatherman will replace your tool even if you yourself murdered it by accident
A group of people who have never been to China, for some reason, evaluate China's industrial manufacturing here, and some even harbor prejudice and malice. Hope the two boys can come to China to see!
I see your point of view and I don't hate chinese people. But we have to think about future and with every € you Support the biggest regime in the World, which is a risk for other countries in that area. We need alternatives in east europe. Thank you for the Podcast Video.
Yes we certainly do need alternatives. We very much condemn A government that surpresses people. So we would love to see a more balanced future here in europe aswell. Cheers mate!
Good conversation, I'm on the same page for just about every point. I've bought a fair amount of camping equipment from China that is good quality, and as far as i know not copying any other products. I've also bought some that turned out to be cheap nearly worthless crap. That said, I've bought some products made by western brands with a good reputation that just have some awful manufacturing defects. In my experience, trusted brands are more reliable, but everyone messes up. On the CPM3V thing, any CPM steel should be from Crucible in the USA. It might be possible to make a knockoff, but it wouldn't be actual CPM3V
I absolutely agree with everything you guys say. There are a lot of Chinese companies making original designs with great materials that are worth supporting. I don't agree with the decisions of their government, but that doesn't mean the regular people, who make up the vast majority of the population, are bad. Companies like WE/Civivi, Reate, QSP, many others make such great original designs that I love. As long as I'm not supporting counterfeits, I have zero problem with it. Thanks guys! 😃
The money spent on Chinese knives supports a government bent on the destruction of the West. You can't support the workers without supporting the murderous government. Quit rationalizing your support of the communists.
I went into a gun shop a few months ago. The shotgun I decided to get the salesman told me that it was made in one of the Eastern European countries. When he brought it up front I saw “made in China” on the box. I almost did not buy the gun, but though it would be funny in case of a red dawn situation. And just to clarify I don’t have a problem with the people, just the CCP and the thought of an invading force
If you buy shit you get shit, simple as that. Buy quality and get quality. China produces EVERYTHING and being moral about knives but buying other stuff from China (and you ARE buying it) is just... silly. Don't support counterfeits, don't buy knockoffs, don't buy stuff you don't really need and you've just become part of the solution instead being part of the problem.
This is an interesting topic. Years ago Ray Mears offered his Woods lore knife as the bushcraft knife to use, he did credit Lars Falts with the design. Mears charged a lot of money for his knife. Several years later Condor came out with the bush lore a clone of Mears knife at a fraction of the cost. Now we have Casstrom knives Lars Falts bushcraft knife also expensive. We have three knives of the same profile with different choices of scales and steels. I would bet most Condor knife owners would have bought a Casstrom if they could afford it.
I grew up in China and now been in the US for 20 some years. My religious group is being persecuted in China and so I cannot go back, as I would be put in jail. So yeah, I see a lot more of the dark side of things in China that most people aren't aware of, some of which are exceedingly disturbing. But to me, I have ZERO problems of others buying Chinese products, and I do myself. I see no reason to spend more of your hard-earned money just to avoid made-in-China proudcts. That's not really the point. I think it's more important for people to just have the awareness of all the terrible things that are happening there below the surface. Many people are deceived by the superficial things and think that everything is great there. Some younger people in the West are even starting to envy how the communists do things. That is just so dangerous. They don't see all the bad things from that kind of regime because all the bad things are well hidden. If you are a westerner visiting China, you just won't see it. People also need to realize that China is slowly putting out its communist ideology and trying to have you make sense out of that, and eventually the West will lose its ground. Once you have to experience yourself how bad it is, it will be too late!
The question you should ask yourself is. In the 1940s would I buy a German product? And if the answer is yes then Chinese stuff is for you. It's impossible to not buy some Chinese stuff. But I think everyone should mitigate their Chinese purchases as much as possible.
Not every single German was a member of German National Socialist Worker's Part in 1940. Not every single German supported NSDAP. There were even Germans who actively fought the NSDAP and paid with their freedom and lives for that. Being German in these times doesn't automatically make one a monster.
@@alexeypopov314 you are incorrectly attributing meaning to my words. I am not implying that Chinese people are evil. I am saying that private industry in China doesn't really exist. Everything is tied to the government. And the Chinese government is evil, genocidal and authoritarian. By supporting Chinese companies you directly support the Chinese government. It's a fascist state where the government controls every company.
Literally every leading country has engaged in and continues to engage in horrible atrocities. Even in terms of manufacturing, most things "Made in America" or "Made in Italy" are made in the places in those countries where regulations and laws for things like working conditions and fair pay are loose at best. China has a history of cheap manufacturing which is outsourced from American industries, for example. It's silly to dismiss products because of their place of origin. **What's more important is to make sure the company you're buying from pays their employees well and manufactures their product using sustainable methods.
“Made in Italy” is a stamp that you can obtain only if it’s actually designed and made on Italian soil. Same as “Swiss made” for example. European laws are extremely strict on this. They really are a quality mark, unlike “US made” which usually is just designed in US but created, built, manufactured and shipped from China.
I try my best to buy American. But I just bought Civivi Cogent because I couldn't get an American made button lock. Always out of stock and not many designs to choose from. Build it in America and I'll buy it.
Regarding knives, The Chinese only clone Knives made by US and European knife makers. They do not clone original knife brands made by Chinese companies like WE, Civivi, Artisan, etc.
If you do not think there are WE, Civivi, Artisan, ect. clones out there... man, do I have news for you. I have friends who work for those companies and they have to deal with clones just like SpyderCo and Benchmade do.
I’ve done my best for decades to not buy Chinese product for more and more reasons all the time. It’s really difficult and even when you think you’ve got a non-Chinese product it’s possible you’ll find out later it is actually Chinese made. It was interesting hearing the DBK guys feelings about this.
Let's not forget that Japan was the "China" of the 60's and 70's. Most Japanese stuff was not very good, or just a bad copy of a western design (called "Japcrap" in the US). But now they are considered one of the best manufacturers in the world. I also differentiate between western brands that have things made in China, and "Chinese brands". There are lots of excellent Chinese companies making their own designs under their own name. Then there is the difference between "dedicated factories" and "contract factories" . So the first is a western brands' own factory in China (BWM and Mercedes), the other is a western brand shopping for a generic factory to make their product (Apple -> Foxconn). So "Made in China" says absolutely nothing, they can make anything as good as anyone in the world if the customer is willing to pay for it. But you can also request a knife made of cheese, whatever you want.
I live in Europe and I buy knives I like from all over the world , if the knife is good and I like the design then I buy it regardless of which country it comes from
That's right, just buy the knife regardless of price, but buy it for it's unique design and style.. just go out and enjoy it. Go chop something, do a survival outing. Life is short. Just go have fun. I have all kinds of bowies, lots of it Made in Japan like Fallkniven Nl1 Thor (bought it 10 years ago for $400, Fallkniven Modern Bowie (bought it second hand looked like factory seconds for $500, Gen 2 Aus 6 Cold steel Trailmaster, San Mai Trailmaster, MTech 151 trailmaster clone $29-$30) and Mtech MT096 bowie ($16), Schrade SCHF45 ($50 but got mine for $35 on sale Amazon).. Now I forge my knives out of 5160. So what I'm saying is that I did learn about the shape of the hamguri shape that the expensive Japan bowies come in and sharpen my blades the same..and man does it cut. So I have fun with all my blades since I have a huge yard and need regular chopping to maintain the branches and trimmings.
nice to see some open and passionate yet balanced discussion guys… and good to see you can keep your humour despite personal challenges and strong comments! Still waiting to see some more testing the Rocksteads though…..gonna blow a ton of cash on my most expensive knife yet and at the moment is a Falkniven.
I buy as much as I possibly can locally, to say it politely. The regime has its fingers in almost all the big companies. But, it’s impossible to not have any Chinaproducts in your household.
Crucible Industries only exists in the USA. So if you buy authentic CPM steel knife blades, the steel came from America and if they can assemble it cheaper with the same quality of build and sell it cheaper, it's actually is a good thing to have competition in the market. That helps keep prices competitive. I know you already know this. I just wanted to sound like I'm smart, lol!
@@jack99889988 I was only addressing CPM steel since the video mentioned Chinese CPM. Obviously how its heat treated will vary by the maker. Thx for the comment!
For years China has supplied Swiss watch manufacturers with components. As long as the components are assembled in Switzerland the watch can claim to be Swiss made. China has decades of manufacturing experience and can make very high end products as well as cheap crap. It would be difficult to boycott Chinese products as they supply everything from pharmaceutical products to the clothes we wear. The manufacturers and employees are just trying to make a living. There will always be a market for cheap crap, people just shouldn’t complain when it doesn’t last. You get what you pay for.
It’s impossible to hate somebody you’ve never seen or talked before. And I know many Chinese they are humorous and kind. But buying their products helps their problematic government grow. So sorry for my fellow Chinese friends. Since a lot of horrible facts came out, I’m secretly avoiding Chinese products as much as possible especially semiconductor products and metals.
Good shoot to set the record straight. There is enough data out there for us all to make well informed choices when purchasing any product. Topic on point.
Thank you for doing this. There are some jingoistic snobs in this community that would prefer us to all just use stuff from Buck and a handful of other US made companies, but that is so absurd and limiting. Good knives are one of those thing where the politics of various producing countries just doesn't really matter. Hell even when you buy foreign, the money still circulates in your own economy to an extent; the truck and train drivers, the delivery sorting centers, the longshoremen, all jobs in your own country that get some of it. A lot also believe long unraveled stereotypes about Chinese manufacturing. This isn't the cold war-00s anymore, China has a fully developed industrial base now full of seasoned craftsmen who take pride in their work and have the resources to make great stuff.
Its unfortunate that we are addicted to cheap labor. Billions of dollars of wealth are being generated each year on the backs of undervalued workers. Great topic.
It is the best reverse trap ever. The US thought it was scamming China by getting real gooda for fake monry. All that time China was just making them addicts (plus spending the fakeninry to buy Africa) Now that the US is addicted, China has them like a pimp owns his crack whore.
I've said it a few times in the comment section of the previous video and so too in today's. China's scene of politics contain some very questionable ethics, that does not mean that the companies do. There are almost 1,5 billion people in China. Just as ANYWHERE else in the world the people will have differing and opposing views. Furthermore. Not everything that comes from China is crap. Just like in the west there are bad stuff just as there is good. And to all the hypocrites that claim that they don't buy stuff from China... Yes, you do. If you don't own a car that contains components manufactured in China you definitely sit on a phone or a computer typing these comments. Tech that also contain components supplied almost exclusively from China. Widen your horizons. The modern age doesn't need your prejudice.
Fax. I’m writing this on my fucking iPad for fucks sake and I’m expected to have the audacity to sit here and shit on a well made product because it’s made in China. Can’t do it lol sorry. This things dope af
@@ImNoBSING I believe you do. Turn your back on any company that makes shitty products. Support those that do good stuff, regardless of where it comes from. We live in an international world. Domestic doesn't always equal better.
I have to admit that I have bought some Ganzo knives to be used as beaters in the past . I have given most of them away. I do still own some Chinese designed Kizer and Civivi knives, though.
I like my Ganzo..good for EDC, because if you lose it, you won't cry. My Spyderco H1 Pacific Salt, when I bought it was $59, now is $100! As I knife lover, I use and collect knives from all price ranges from the $700 Fallkniven thor to the cheap but good Mtech 151, 096 in the $20 range.
Hey there. I had no idea there'd been so many bad reactions to your previous video. I mean, it's just an objective video about a knife. You guys just tried it out and commented on if it was a good knife or not. I don't think anybody should object to that. You guys gave your honest opinion on whether, as a knife, that one was worthwhile or not. Whether or not one should buy any product from China is another topic up for a different debate. Speaking of which, in an unrelated topic, I think you guys should consider getting insurance for your equipment and knives, at this point, for your company.It's a matter of protecting all the time, money and effort you guys have put into this project. Best wishes.
I weighed in on the last video in the comments. My thoughts: I have nothing against the Chinese people. I have Chinese friends, not just Chinese by ethnicity, but friends who were literally born and raised in China. I’ve tutored Chinese immigrants with their english. I’ve dated Chinese girls. I love Chinese food 🤣. I’d love to go visit China someday. It’s their GOVERNMENT that causes problems. They are horrific. That being said, I have made a promise to not support ANYTHING Chinese made If at all possible, when there are quality products, as good or better, being made in free countries who value human life, integrity, and common decency. Example: I’d totally like to get the DBK knife, but I can’t stand the Dutch! I’m so racist against them! I’ve never been to Dutchlandia, but I can’t imagine the noise with everyone walking around in their wooden shoes, or the smug looks on cooks faces when using their Dutch ovens.
If you lived in China, You'd notice that life there is hardly any different to life in literally anywhere else in the world. There is no "extreme suppression" of free speech.
Good points. As an American I make every effort to buy USA made products and I am willing to pay a little more for them. However buying some Chinese products is inevitable.
I'm Chinese. I'm proud that the Chinese people can manage to contribute to the prosperity and well-being of the whole human family while having this cancer called "communist party" / "forced atheism" in her body. If China can do well under the shadow of this horrible disease, imagine how much more will she be able to achieve if she is healthy?
I avoid Benchmade. Why you may ask? The last three BM knives i own all have flaws (blade centering way off, uneven grind, ...). My dealer contacted their customer support and was told this is not a case for the so called "lifetime warranty", because it doesn't affect the function of the knife. Maybe you have to be DBK to get a good BM and customer support, not the Average Joe.
Hey Chris, Thats something we cant argue about. We know we might get a different treatment than others and the only way to work around is go anonymous. But we also dont have the time to check all of that with just us two. Maybe if we grow and we'd be able to hire people for DBK that would be a good thing to check and take into our reviews
I’m really glad to see more people having these types of open and thoughtful conversations. I try to avoid Chinese products when it’s practical, but as you’ve discovered, sometimes it’s rather difficult. We need to bring back manufacturing jobs to the rest of the world, and I will vote with my wallet to support quality and ethically made products from various countries.
If you want an inexpensive D2 axis lock or flipper for around $26, the Chinese Eafengrow and Ganzo knives are on Amazon. I'm probably not going to buy one but they look decent.
@@poisonousnut I have a rat 2. Don't understand the hype. It's just to small to be comfortable with the handle shape. It's a decent knife, but it's not fantastic or anything. The Zancudo is the same size and has a much better shape overall.
@@DevDog67 u might have bigger hands. i had a Zancudo and the palm swell was a little too big for me. i like my knife taking up as little pocket space as possibletoo. but my favorite edc is still my Para3.
@@poisonousnut hmmmm. Yeah it must be hand size. The Zancudo is about as small as I can stand for a knife, it really feels almost too small and flimsy to use as a serious folding work knife. For something to compare with, I find that a knife like the Kershaw blur (3.3" or 3.4" blade) is really close to the ideal size for my hands. I just wish it had a guard or flipper to protect my hand from the blade. Unfortunately there's not a lot of good knives in the 3.25" to 3.3" blade size range. They're almost all 3" or smaller, or 3.5-3.8" which is something I consider to be slightly too big.
I grew up in a very ethnic neighborhood. My grandparents were immigrants, Italian and Ukrainian. Everyone around us were first or second generation. I am an artist, part time musician and have worked in restaurants. In the world of art, music and food we embrace all countries. Why can't that carry over to everything else? You'll eat in a Chinese restaurant but curse them? I don't understand it.
Good subject! On this note I want to mention that my people don't hate all people from the Netherlands... ...only th ones pulling camping trailers on the Autobahn.😉 Your channel is great, keep it coming! PS: more folders please.
I was given a soyderco endura 4 Emerson wave knife with a V-10 blade steel measurements I made told me it is a China clone due to its smaller dimensions BUT I was appalled because after 3 years in pocket it has no signs of corrosion/rusting - looks like the original except for dimensions and still sharp!
Do you have any proof that the knife was really 3v? There has beennmany situations in the past where the stelel used in Chinese knives was not what was advertised. Short of metal analysis spectrometry it is difficult to know
:( I've sourced ZDP-189 from Japan, S35-VN from USA, M390 from Austria. The idea of faking 3V (USA) and offering it to my customers makes me sick. I love and respect knives and the community too much to hoodwink you over material that is totally obtainable.
You are correct. We are also cognizant of the heat treat and had a target HRC range. The biggest stress and focus of this whole project was ensuring the heat treat would be good.
You have bravely put your hearts and souls up for those worms to come out of the woodwork. I tip my hat to you both and hope to enjoy future entertaining videos. Thank you
I've been making and collecting knives for over 35 years. Chinese products in all areas have improved in the last 10 years. Complaining about human rights is pointless. I'll bet 75% of the goods in your home come from PRC. Politics and price. American manufacturers should start making their own products again. Pay more? Yep. But we wouldn't run out chips for our cars. We send trees to China, they send us back furniture. Labour costs. We shouldn't support manufacturers of clone products. But there are tons of Asian producers of original knive designs with genuine, as advertised steel. Two Sun, Artesian Cutlery, and Custom Knife Factory. The world is getting smaller. ✌
I recall the story of Rockie boots who had to outsource to China because their American man boots that maybe cost 30$ more than their Chinese competitors stopped selling because people aren’t willing to pay for American. We shot ourself in the foot
Hey guys how are You cracks can You talk one. About the taxus knife actualy i have two. Mora the garberg and compation and let me Say those knifes are so stronger but i don't know how get the leuku the beggest one can You help me brother
I know first hand from keeping in touch with foreign exchange students from college that the citizens there hate their gov way more than we do but are too scared to say anything. Those who do, often are not seen again or something "tragic" happens. But I too am guilty where sometimes my passion for how much I hate what is going on with that gov where some of that hate spills over to all the people there unknowingly. Then I have to remember the friends I made in college who are from there.
So I subscribed after watching this video. Many folks don't want to buy Chinese made products and I get that, but affordability plays a huge role in why people do. Most people on a budget do not care where it's made. They care how much it costs. Does that make them a bad person? In a perfect world I'm sure most of us would buy from our country of origin. But look around... the world ain't perfect. Thanks guys.
I am against racist of all colors. I hesitated to buy chines knives initially but I realized I was perpetuating the same racist crap so now I buy what the hell I want. I have USA, Taiwanese, Italian and Chinese made knives and I will keep buying them unless I can't.
I know in the world of folders, lots of western custom knife makers have been turning to top tier Chinese knife companies to make a more affordable, factory version of their knives. Can't afford a $800+ for a custom Peña Knives folder? Well just grab one of his X-series that will run $275 for an amazing knife that is functionally the same as his customs. Want something by Ray Laconico but don't want to wait over a year and pay well over $1,000? Dude has partnered with multiple companies to bring you quality knives, with his signature feel, for some seriously affordable prices.
this is a great video you two are amazing and fair regards from Allan in Australia i sell knives in my small shop in Gulgong nsw and learn about the knives i sell from your videos
And we need to talk about western democracies as well and what we are responsible for in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, drone killing etc. I have not yet addressed the damage the west has done to the environment in many countries only for more and more profit. We think we are the good ones, we think we are morally higher, but we are not.
@@achimgeist5185 And we need to talk about how the great leap forward killed 60 million people all countries do bad there is no country that is innocent there’s no human that is innocent it is impossible, and we do talk about it because we have a free press at least one that’s free or than Chinese and just because we do bad doesn’t mean that they are allowed to do it
Great conversation. You have a platform to talk about something you love; Knives that are well made. In a way, you are the superstar of your area of expertise. People respect your opinion because they see you are sincere and credible. I think it's awesome that you are more than just material things, you are about a certain ethic. It's brave of you and you will be more admired by most and not by some. It's an admirable thing to stand up for what you believe in and hopefully make the world a little better. ✌️🦁
I have a few Chinese knives and the action on them is better than some of my American manufactured knives. My Civivis, for example, have fantastic action. A Spyderco that costs 3 times as much, is not as good. People need to drop the racism and look at the quality. China and cheap still happens, it’s an option but they are also making some very nice tools. 🇨🇳
One thing that worries me is that the rapid improvement in Chinese made knives will further reduce US production and one day 100% knive sold in US are made in China, just like the T Shirts, Sneakers etc. and if there is a supply chain problem, There will be no knive in USA.
It's not about racism. It is about not supporting the evil Chinese regime. You know there are more topics to discuss other than the intellectually lazy accusation of racism.
You have a better open mind than most people I see. You can distinguish good and bad and in between without a political ideal that blinds a person which is very unhealthy. If there were more people like you. Friends and family's of this day and age wouldn't be disowning each other and waste years of relationship development because of a different political belief. You keep things objective when need be by products. You don't generalize a whole group based on a numbered few that is not everybody. Never change in the way you guys are unless to improve upon it on a positive scale. Whether its moral wise. Being merchants or content creators.
Great video!! You should do some reasearch to find a supplier from one of the less whealthy countries from the europe, they as a rule of tought have better production prices for antepreneours. I also apreciate the low volume music from the background, Wodan Boys rule!!!!!!!!!
How does it make any sense whatsoever to make products on the other side of the world and then ship them at massive cost? The sense would be to make products close to your market and not have huge transport costs. You know, like in the old days....
Yes completely agree! But sadly this is the reality and the power is where the people spend their money. Anything made locally easily costs around 7x as much and people won’t buy it. They say they will but they won’t because money changes peoples minds sadly. It’s got to change either way. Or china needs to become more expensive or local products cheaper. Cheers mateb
It is the moral obligation of any freedom loving & ethical individual to find alternatives to China. It is nothing against the people who are for the most part captives of the CCP. Unfortunately, every time you buy products made in China you are directly or indirectly sending money to the CCP. Buy Taiwanese products instead and do an effort to find alternatives.
CCP > Taiwan. This China hate is ridiculous, it's just a massive state department op. You know what the Chinese aren't doing? Trying to replace the Chinese through mass immigration. Every western country does this. It's pathetic to be anti-China.
15:58 Eh I don't really agree with this. But most of your other points I agree with. People are free to boycott whatever they see fit. The most impact you have is to vote with your wallet. Purchasing goods from whatever country supports their economy, which supports their government. People boycotting a certain country isn't going to bankrupt them, their economy is large enough to self sustain. Boycotting is done for a reason, it's to make a statement whatever statement it may be, and in this case it seems to be not agreeing with the way a government conducts itself. Also if people want to learn more about avoiding Chinese products I suggest the subreddit r/avoidchineseproducts.
While I agree there's some good quality and value for money items you can get from countries such as China (and even Russia) I am doing my most to limit my support for brands based or using items from those countries due to not only the poor working conditions and there oppressive policies internally but also aggressive neo-imperialism of there governments on the world stage. That said I agree with so much being made I find in nearly impossible to put this into practice especially for electronics just due to the nature of the global supply chain but I will always do my best to support local businesses, who sauce there materials in a environmentally consciousness way and treat there workers ethically and who taxes aren't going towards evil governments.
@@terrorwavegabber but they do help supports a government though taxes andby extension fund a military that's currently commiting some of the worst war crimes I've seen in all my time as edgy teenager on the internet I've ever seen in Ukraine in addition to the oligarchy and general corruptions necessary to get anything done in russia... Did I mention the war crimes and general crimes against humanity that are going on right now?
@@emoanarchist96 you know nothing about this war and war crimes, this war should have happened many years ago, but I don't know why this take so much time, so many Russians lives been taken away.
@@terrorwavegabber you have no idea how deluded you are, I've seen family's murdered in cold blood on multiple cases, children screaming as the die, old men diying in there sons arms as the both bleed out, there corpses found with there one remain dog sitting next to them. And that's before you get into the indiscriminate shelling of non military targets. Your state controlled media has been spreading misinformation and is currently lying to you about everything that is happening in Ukraine, you think I'm not telling the truth use an tor browser to get though your countries now mass censorship and look for yourself if you can stomach it. Why do you think the whole world who can barely agree on anything, turned so quickly in unison against your country?
I’m a United States citizen who served in the Marine Corps during the Cold War as a very young man. My government taught us how Russians were our enemies wanting to destroy our country and way of life by whatever means necessary. Fast foreword years later and having the opportunity to meet and speak with many Russians I realized they are no different then Americans and our governments are the ones causing conflict and animosity toward one another. It’s a shame and sometimes I think they cause conflict and devise with other nations and between our people within our own country just for themselves. Job security.
Both Russians I met in the Marines wished we would attack and liberate the communist countries.
true. it's hard to distinguish good from bad. we are bad to some countries too. But in the end we are all the same people trying to be good and make a life despite of politics
This is a load of sentimental crap. Why don't you educate yourself about the slavery that China is running in Africa and their carbon foot print which you pay for before you talk?
A voice of reason, thank you 🙏
Ask why those china goods are soooo cheap? Slave labor
Man I love this channel even more because you guys aren’t afraid to speak up against hate that isn’t even at you.
Yaaa-yayaya Ya.
@@marcschweitzer what is the name of this chinese cpm 3v knive from previous episode?
I am an American with some firsthand knowledge. I have been to mainland China several times. Most of the time not in Shanghai or Bejing. 3 of my children have lived there for 5 months each teaching English. I can tell you first hand that the Chinese people are kind and very hard working. It is crazy how capitalist it is for a communist country. We should be careful about juging a people by their government. My .02
The only thing Communist about China is their government!
The thing is American is going to Marx way. More center control. iPhone or Samsung, Tesla, Google, Facebook, IG, Telegram, Twitter. All are very monopolised and lobby with the government. Easier to control. We can't vote them out that control our live.
@@mdsign001lmao, there has been a riot in the white house not to long ago.should China copy the US with its 4 presidents assasinated 2 attempted assasinations in the past?
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc You are correct - China would have brought out tanks and just run over the rioters.
@@user1qaz2wsx3edc where exactly did you get the idea that I'm suggesting anything?
This is what gained my respect towards you some time ago - your reasonable, real world, honest way of thinking.
Agreed!
@@valvofolife but what was the name of the knive from previous video? They didnt say, and google doesnt help..
Don't be fooled. At the 3:43, Mickey looks suspiciously to the left, and a Chinese man with a gun is reflected in Martin's pupils. I suspect the matter is more serious than it seems
I know avoiding Chinese products does very little to the Chinese govt. But it makes me feel good. And I know its impossible to 100percent avoid Chinese stuff, but when I can, I do.
100%
Hurting the chinese govt? Have you ever thought about the real ppl behind all those businesses? You have to understand that real normal people like you and me are working in those companies/factories. The ones that are gonna suffer first hand would be the citizens. I would just advice ppl not to buy into the hatred and fear mongering in the media. It's just cold war 2.0 mentality.
good for ur superior feeling, and i hope the chinese do the same for ur country.
Its sad to see such ignorance in these comments. Please stop the virtue signalling crap and take a long hard look at the current environment involving China.
@@yiluis1316 There were real people in Nazi Germany too. We should not give aid and comfort to an evil regime. Do you think the Chinese workers care about American workers that they displaced?
In China, some types of knives are regulated tools, and for most Chinese, the most commonly used knives are Chinese kitchen knives. Because there is basically no opportunity for long-term outdoor life and extreme use of knives, most people will not buy expensive knives, so there is no broad domestic market, and therefore there is no knife factory that develops high-end knives. Based on this big environment, some small factories or workshops make cheap knives or imitation knives in order to survive. It really doesn't make any sense for you to compare knives costing 100 yuan with Fällkniven's knives that cost more than 100 dollars!
you guys don't owe anyone an explanation, but its appreciated anyway. I think you guys are doing smart business and taking everything into consideration, and I respect that. transparency is admirable, so keep up the good work guys.
My Respect PointS (RP) for Mikkie after he said he hated the woke culture: IT'S OVER 9000!!!! 9000+
the new anti woke bandwagon is just as dumb as the woke bandwagon.
@@OptimusSatanas Let's vote which is the worst.
They probably have clones of the clones of the civivii elementums lmao
Woke and anti-woke is cancerous. Just treat people with dignity and respect no matter where they’re from, what they worship, or who they sleep with.
@@alexeypopov314 You mean so that a small, deluded, and vocal minority can claim it was rigged? lmao
Enough talk boys... Lets see thoose Rockstead in the field!
hahahaah we will eventually I think!
Good job guys!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives how about that DBK knife song, eh?
Some shopping districts in Japan have loudspeakers shouting do not buy made in China products as this will kill the Japan industry; but sadly 50% of the shoppers are from Chinese tourists and they don’t understand Japanese.
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As a machinist of 27 years, it's all about quality for me. It has nothing to do with where it was made. It's either good or bad and every country makes both. Here in America we think our junk is the best out there. It's not! Our biggest problem in manufacturing is greed. So everything is made way too fast and quality is ofter over looked. It's all about how many can we make in a day. Our workers have more pressure put on them about quantity over quality. Then we turn around and over price ourselves for poorly made junk.
Take a Becker knife.. remove the coating and see how sloppy they are made..
My leathernan charge TTI has toolmarks left by not going to a fine grit.
I love both of them but this ‘US’ made is hype. The only good thing that China does not have yet is the warranty..
I can buy a China multitool on par with a Wave for 30,- or so.
But Leatherman will replace your tool even if you yourself murdered it by accident
The same exact kind of counterfeiting happens a lot in watch making too.
I love the business insights and common sense approach. Thanks for your content and standing up for others!
My problem with Clones is that they try to pass them off as "Real" and charge full price to trick you.
I've never disliked a video that has come from this channel. Keep up the great work!
A group of people who have never been to China, for some reason, evaluate China's industrial manufacturing here, and some even harbor prejudice and malice. Hope the two boys can come to China to see!
I see your point of view and I don't hate chinese people. But we have to think about future and with every € you Support the biggest regime in the World, which is a risk for other countries in that area. We need alternatives in east europe.
Thank you for the Podcast Video.
Yes we certainly do need alternatives. We very much condemn A government that surpresses people. So we would love to see a more balanced future here in europe aswell.
Cheers mate!
Which Eastern European country are you from? Or are you from Turkey?
the most evil regime is the stinky United Snakes
@@nangergong Don't forget Israel too.
@@nangergong Lmao, good job. Your social credit just rocketed. Both make me puke but ccp is really disturbing Orwellian nightmare.
Good conversation, I'm on the same page for just about every point.
I've bought a fair amount of camping equipment from China that is good quality, and as far as i know not copying any other products. I've also bought some that turned out to be cheap nearly worthless crap.
That said, I've bought some products made by western brands with a good reputation that just have some awful manufacturing defects. In my experience, trusted brands are more reliable, but everyone messes up.
On the CPM3V thing, any CPM steel should be from Crucible in the USA. It might be possible to make a knockoff, but it wouldn't be actual CPM3V
I absolutely agree with everything you guys say. There are a lot of Chinese companies making original designs with great materials that are worth supporting.
I don't agree with the decisions of their government, but that doesn't mean the regular people, who make up the vast majority of the population, are bad.
Companies like WE/Civivi, Reate, QSP, many others make such great original designs that I love. As long as I'm not supporting counterfeits, I have zero problem with it.
Thanks guys! 😃
The money spent on Chinese knives supports a government bent on the destruction of the West. You can't support the workers without supporting the murderous government. Quit rationalizing your support of the communists.
@Cuddly Cat They are truly a crazed bunch.
I went into a gun shop a few months ago. The shotgun I decided to get the salesman told me that it was made in one of the Eastern European countries. When he brought it up front I saw “made in China” on the box. I almost did not buy the gun, but though it would be funny in case of a red dawn situation. And just to clarify I don’t have a problem with the people, just the CCP and the thought of an invading force
If you buy shit you get shit, simple as that. Buy quality and get quality.
China produces EVERYTHING and being moral about knives but buying other stuff from China (and you ARE buying it) is just... silly.
Don't support counterfeits, don't buy knockoffs, don't buy stuff you don't really need and you've just become part of the solution instead being part of the problem.
Always remember, if you think you hate the Chinese government.... just imagine how it's citizens feel.
Respect for being open and honest!
This is an interesting topic. Years ago Ray Mears offered his Woods lore knife as the bushcraft knife to use, he did credit Lars Falts with the design. Mears charged a lot of money for his knife. Several years later Condor came out with the bush lore a clone of Mears knife at a fraction of the cost. Now we have Casstrom knives Lars Falts bushcraft knife also expensive. We have three knives of the same profile with different choices of scales and steels. I would bet most Condor knife owners would have bought a Casstrom if they could afford it.
What keeps me watching is that you test a knife and show me honestly which knife works for me. That’s it. Well done lads.
I grew up in China and now been in the US for 20 some years. My religious group is being persecuted in China and so I cannot go back, as I would be put in jail. So yeah, I see a lot more of the dark side of things in China that most people aren't aware of, some of which are exceedingly disturbing.
But to me, I have ZERO problems of others buying Chinese products, and I do myself. I see no reason to spend more of your hard-earned money just to avoid made-in-China proudcts. That's not really the point.
I think it's more important for people to just have the awareness of all the terrible things that are happening there below the surface. Many people are deceived by the superficial things and think that everything is great there. Some younger people in the West are even starting to envy how the communists do things. That is just so dangerous. They don't see all the bad things from that kind of regime because all the bad things are well hidden. If you are a westerner visiting China, you just won't see it. People also need to realize that China is slowly putting out its communist ideology and trying to have you make sense out of that, and eventually the West will lose its ground. Once you have to experience yourself how bad it is, it will be too late!
The question you should ask yourself is. In the 1940s would I buy a German product? And if the answer is yes then Chinese stuff is for you. It's impossible to not buy some Chinese stuff. But I think everyone should mitigate their Chinese purchases as much as possible.
Not every single German was a member of German National Socialist Worker's Part in 1940. Not every single German supported NSDAP. There were even Germans who actively fought the NSDAP and paid with their freedom and lives for that. Being German in these times doesn't automatically make one a monster.
@@alexeypopov314 you are incorrectly attributing meaning to my words. I am not implying that Chinese people are evil. I am saying that private industry in China doesn't really exist. Everything is tied to the government. And the Chinese government is evil, genocidal and authoritarian. By supporting Chinese companies you directly support the Chinese government. It's a fascist state where the government controls every company.
Literally every leading country has engaged in and continues to engage in horrible atrocities. Even in terms of manufacturing, most things "Made in America" or "Made in Italy" are made in the places in those countries where regulations and laws for things like working conditions and fair pay are loose at best. China has a history of cheap manufacturing which is outsourced from American industries, for example. It's silly to dismiss products because of their place of origin. **What's more important is to make sure the company you're buying from pays their employees well and manufactures their product using sustainable methods.
Which is NOT China, right?
“Made in Italy” is a stamp that you can obtain only if it’s actually designed and made on Italian soil. Same as “Swiss made” for example. European laws are extremely strict on this.
They really are a quality mark, unlike “US made” which usually is just designed in US but created, built, manufactured and shipped from China.
I try my best to buy American.
But I just bought Civivi Cogent because I couldn't get an American made button lock. Always out of stock and not many designs to choose from. Build it in America and I'll buy it.
Regarding knives, The Chinese only clone Knives made by US and European knife makers. They do not clone original knife brands made by Chinese companies like WE, Civivi, Artisan, etc.
If you do not think there are WE, Civivi, Artisan, ect. clones out there... man, do I have news for you. I have friends who work for those companies and they have to deal with clones just like SpyderCo and Benchmade do.
I’ve done my best for decades to not buy Chinese product for more and more reasons all the time. It’s really difficult and even when you think you’ve got a non-Chinese product it’s possible you’ll find out later it is actually Chinese made. It was interesting hearing the DBK guys feelings about this.
Hatred of a rising China, or immersed in the past 100 years? You are so poor!
Now my day is better, got to love DBK!!
Let's not forget that Japan was the "China" of the 60's and 70's. Most Japanese stuff was not very good, or just a bad copy of a western design (called "Japcrap" in the US). But now they are considered one of the best manufacturers in the world. I also differentiate between western brands that have things made in China, and "Chinese brands". There are lots of excellent Chinese companies making their own designs under their own name. Then there is the difference between "dedicated factories" and "contract factories" . So the first is a western brands' own factory in China (BWM and Mercedes), the other is a western brand shopping for a generic factory to make their product (Apple -> Foxconn). So "Made in China" says absolutely nothing, they can make anything as good as anyone in the world if the customer is willing to pay for it. But you can also request a knife made of cheese, whatever you want.
I live in Europe and I buy knives I like from all over the world , if the knife is good and I like the design then I buy it regardless of which country it comes from
That's right, just buy the knife regardless of price, but buy it for it's unique design and style.. just go out and enjoy it. Go chop something, do a survival outing. Life is short. Just go have fun. I have all kinds of bowies, lots of it Made in Japan like Fallkniven Nl1 Thor (bought it 10 years ago for $400, Fallkniven Modern Bowie (bought it second hand looked like factory seconds for $500, Gen 2 Aus 6 Cold steel Trailmaster, San Mai Trailmaster, MTech 151 trailmaster clone $29-$30) and Mtech MT096 bowie ($16), Schrade SCHF45 ($50 but got mine for $35 on sale Amazon).. Now I forge my knives out of 5160. So what I'm saying is that I did learn about the shape of the hamguri shape that the expensive Japan bowies come in and sharpen my blades the same..and man does it cut. So I have fun with all my blades since I have a huge yard and need regular chopping to maintain the branches and trimmings.
I would NEVER buy a Chinese product!
-Posted from my iPhone 12
So clever commie. Posted on my Samsung which is made in a free country.
nice to see some open and passionate yet balanced discussion guys… and good to see you can keep your humour despite personal challenges and strong comments! Still waiting to see some more testing the Rocksteads though…..gonna blow a ton of cash on my most expensive knife yet and at the moment is a Falkniven.
I buy as much as I possibly can locally, to say it politely. The regime has its fingers in almost all the big companies. But, it’s impossible to not have any Chinaproducts in your household.
@Dutch Bushcraft Knives How can I listen to Mikkie’s band or buy a record? Are you guys on Spotify? Or band camp?
You guys are absolutely CRAZY! But you are 100% honest. LOVE IT!
Crucible Industries only exists in the USA. So if you buy authentic CPM steel knife blades, the steel came from America and if they can assemble it cheaper with the same quality of build and sell it cheaper, it's actually is a good thing to have competition in the market. That helps keep prices competitive. I know you already know this. I just wanted to sound like I'm smart, lol!
@@jack99889988 I was only addressing CPM steel since the video mentioned Chinese CPM. Obviously how its heat treated will vary by the maker. Thx for the comment!
We did not use 3V made in China. The 3V we used was made in Syracuse New York.
For years China has supplied Swiss watch manufacturers with components. As long as the components are assembled in Switzerland the watch can claim to be Swiss made.
China has decades of manufacturing experience and can make very high end products as well as cheap crap.
It would be difficult to boycott Chinese products as they supply everything from pharmaceutical products to the clothes we wear.
The manufacturers and employees are just trying to make a living.
There will always be a market for cheap crap, people just shouldn’t complain when it doesn’t last. You get what you pay for.
It’s impossible to hate somebody you’ve never seen or talked before. And I know many Chinese they are humorous and kind. But buying their products helps their problematic government grow.
So sorry for my fellow Chinese friends. Since a lot of horrible facts came out, I’m secretly avoiding Chinese products as much as possible especially semiconductor products and metals.
tell that to greg medford who openly hates asains, blacks, mexicans and ppl still adore his pos knives. smh
Good shoot to set the record straight. There is enough data out there for us all to make well informed choices when purchasing any product. Topic on point.
Thank you for doing this. There are some jingoistic snobs in this community that would prefer us to all just use stuff from Buck and a handful of other US made companies, but that is so absurd and limiting. Good knives are one of those thing where the politics of various producing countries just doesn't really matter. Hell even when you buy foreign, the money still circulates in your own economy to an extent; the truck and train drivers, the delivery sorting centers, the longshoremen, all jobs in your own country that get some of it. A lot also believe long unraveled stereotypes about Chinese manufacturing. This isn't the cold war-00s anymore, China has a fully developed industrial base now full of seasoned craftsmen who take pride in their work and have the resources to make great stuff.
A reasonable position fairly well stated.
Its unfortunate that we are addicted to cheap labor. Billions of dollars of wealth are being generated each year on the backs of undervalued workers. Great topic.
It is the best reverse trap ever.
The US thought it was scamming China by getting real gooda for fake monry.
All that time China was just making them addicts (plus spending the fakeninry to buy Africa)
Now that the US is addicted, China has them like a pimp owns his crack whore.
I would like to see your reaction when they start making and selling in china your DBK knife and selling for 50$ , and won't know about it.
I've said it a few times in the comment section of the previous video and so too in today's. China's scene of politics contain some very questionable ethics, that does not mean that the companies do. There are almost 1,5 billion people in China. Just as ANYWHERE else in the world the people will have differing and opposing views.
Furthermore. Not everything that comes from China is crap. Just like in the west there are bad stuff just as there is good.
And to all the hypocrites that claim that they don't buy stuff from China... Yes, you do. If you don't own a car that contains components manufactured in China you definitely sit on a phone or a computer typing these comments. Tech that also contain components supplied almost exclusively from China.
Widen your horizons. The modern age doesn't need your prejudice.
Fax. I’m writing this on my fucking iPad for fucks sake and I’m expected to have the audacity to sit here and shit on a well made product because it’s made in China. Can’t do it lol sorry. This things dope af
You think backwards.. If the consumers turn away from China the market will follow and domestic manufacturing will slowly return.
@@ImNoBSING I believe you do. Turn your back on any company that makes shitty products. Support those that do good stuff, regardless of where it comes from. We live in an international world. Domestic doesn't always equal better.
@@F3EDER I do not know of any product they make better in China than in my country. Maybe rice?
Opposing views in China will lead to jail or execution. That's not prejudice, just fact.
I have to admit that I have bought some Ganzo knives to be used as beaters in the past . I have given most of them away. I do still own some Chinese designed Kizer and Civivi knives, though.
I like my Ganzo..good for EDC, because if you lose it, you won't cry. My Spyderco H1 Pacific Salt, when I bought it was $59, now is $100! As I knife lover, I use and collect knives from all price ranges from the $700 Fallkniven thor to the cheap but good Mtech 151, 096 in the $20 range.
Hey there. I had no idea there'd been so many bad reactions to your previous video. I mean, it's just an objective video about a knife. You guys just tried it out and commented on if it was a good knife or not. I don't think anybody should object to that. You guys gave your honest opinion on whether, as a knife, that one was worthwhile or not. Whether or not one should buy any product from China is another topic up for a different debate. Speaking of which, in an unrelated topic, I think you guys should consider getting insurance for your equipment and knives, at this point, for your company.It's a matter of protecting all the time, money and effort you guys have put into this project. Best wishes.
I weighed in on the last video in the comments. My thoughts: I have nothing against the Chinese people. I have Chinese friends, not just Chinese by ethnicity, but friends who were literally born and raised in China. I’ve tutored Chinese immigrants with their english. I’ve dated Chinese girls. I love Chinese food 🤣. I’d love to go visit China someday. It’s their GOVERNMENT that causes problems. They are horrific. That being said, I have made a promise to not support ANYTHING Chinese made If at all possible, when there are quality products, as good or better, being made in free countries who value human life, integrity, and common decency. Example: I’d totally like to get the DBK knife, but I can’t stand the Dutch! I’m so racist against them! I’ve never been to Dutchlandia, but I can’t imagine the noise with everyone walking around in their wooden shoes, or the smug looks on cooks faces when using their Dutch ovens.
Do you like eating a Danish?!!!
Bro. I read I torture Chinese immigrants. 😆 I had to reread your comment.
If you lived in China, You'd notice that life there is hardly any different to life in literally anywhere else in the world. There is no "extreme suppression" of free speech.
@@plaguedoc7727 you are not sure
@@DO-tn5yo ?
Good points. As an American I make every effort to buy USA made products and I am willing to pay a little more for them. However buying some Chinese products is inevitable.
A little more isn't enough. Maybe 3x at least.
I'm Chinese. I'm proud that the Chinese people can manage to contribute to the prosperity and well-being of the whole human family while having this cancer called "communist party" / "forced atheism" in her body. If China can do well under the shadow of this horrible disease, imagine how much more will she be able to achieve if she is healthy?
What jackets are you wearing?
It is a sasta coat!
QSP has been coming out with several new fixed blades, why not test one of them??
I avoid Benchmade. Why you may ask? The last three BM knives i own all have flaws (blade centering way off, uneven grind, ...). My dealer contacted their customer support and was told this is not a case for the so called "lifetime warranty", because it doesn't affect the function of the knife. Maybe you have to be DBK to get a good BM and customer support, not the Average Joe.
Hey Chris,
Thats something we cant argue about. We know we might get a different treatment than others and the only way to work around is go anonymous. But we also dont have the time to check all of that with just us two.
Maybe if we grow and we'd be able to hire people for DBK that would be a good thing to check and take into our reviews
There are a lot great knife companies from China. When something is good is good, no matter who or where it's made!
I have a We Kitefin and ill happily admit its my favorite knife , so slicey and light the best edc
I think you guys should review the Joker Lynx it is a great bushcraft knife
I’m really glad to see more people having these types of open and thoughtful conversations. I try to avoid Chinese products when it’s practical, but as you’ve discovered, sometimes it’s rather difficult. We need to bring back manufacturing jobs to the rest of the world, and I will vote with my wallet to support quality and ethically made products from various countries.
If you want an inexpensive D2 axis lock or flipper for around $26, the Chinese Eafengrow and Ganzo knives are on Amazon. I'm probably not going to buy one but they look decent.
you can get a RAT2 in d2 for about the same. might be the best folder for the money
Going on looks has to be the worse thing one can do.
@@poisonousnut I have a rat 2. Don't understand the hype. It's just to small to be comfortable with the handle shape. It's a decent knife, but it's not fantastic or anything. The Zancudo is the same size and has a much better shape overall.
@@DevDog67 u might have bigger hands. i had a Zancudo and the palm swell was a little too big for me. i like my knife taking up as little pocket space as possibletoo. but my favorite edc is still my Para3.
@@poisonousnut hmmmm. Yeah it must be hand size. The Zancudo is about as small as I can stand for a knife, it really feels almost too small and flimsy to use as a serious folding work knife.
For something to compare with, I find that a knife like the Kershaw blur (3.3" or 3.4" blade) is really close to the ideal size for my hands. I just wish it had a guard or flipper to protect my hand from the blade.
Unfortunately there's not a lot of good knives in the 3.25" to 3.3" blade size range. They're almost all 3" or smaller, or 3.5-3.8" which is something I consider to be slightly too big.
I grew up in a very ethnic neighborhood. My grandparents were immigrants, Italian and Ukrainian. Everyone around us were first or second generation. I am an artist, part time musician and have worked in restaurants. In the world of art, music and food we embrace all countries. Why can't that carry over to everything else? You'll eat in a Chinese restaurant but curse them? I don't understand it.
Good subject!
On this note I want to mention that my people don't hate all people from the Netherlands...
...only th ones pulling camping trailers on the Autobahn.😉
Your channel is great, keep it coming!
PS: more folders please.
I was given a soyderco endura 4 Emerson wave knife with a V-10 blade steel measurements I made told me it is a China clone due to its smaller dimensions BUT I was appalled because after 3 years in pocket it has no signs of corrosion/rusting - looks like the original except for dimensions and still sharp!
Do you have any proof that the knife was really 3v? There has beennmany situations in the past where the stelel used in Chinese knives was not what was advertised.
Short of metal analysis spectrometry it is difficult to know
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I've sourced ZDP-189 from Japan, S35-VN from USA, M390 from Austria. The idea of faking 3V (USA) and offering it to my customers makes me sick. I love and respect knives and the community too much to hoodwink you over material that is totally obtainable.
Excellent video! It is good to see you addressing this.
Research,make your own decision and do what's best for you. Love the content, keep it up fellers. More knife, axe and saw testing.
thanks a lot Kevin!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives LOVE MY DJI POCKET 2 CAMERA !!!!
GREAT VID GUYS !
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Axe with some axe throwing can be fun, did you have already try?
@hidde That is hammer not axe
The next knife I'm going to buy is Scandinavian. Started with your reviews and agreed with in other reviews.
The Cpm 3v is all made by Crucible Steel in the USA. The MBK knife is American designed, shaped and heat treated in China, using American sreel.
You are correct. We are also cognizant of the heat treat and had a target HRC range. The biggest stress and focus of this whole project was ensuring the heat treat would be good.
You have bravely put your hearts and souls up for those worms to come out of the woodwork. I tip my hat to you both and hope to enjoy future entertaining videos. Thank you
Great video, guys! I totally agree with your take!
I've been making and collecting knives for over 35 years. Chinese products in all areas have improved in the last 10 years. Complaining about human rights is pointless. I'll bet 75% of the goods in your home come from PRC. Politics and price.
American manufacturers should start making their own products again. Pay more? Yep. But we wouldn't run out chips for our cars. We send trees to China, they send us back furniture. Labour costs. We shouldn't support manufacturers of clone products. But there are tons of Asian producers of original knive designs with genuine, as advertised steel. Two Sun, Artesian Cutlery, and Custom Knife Factory. The world is getting smaller. ✌
I recall the story of Rockie boots who had to outsource to China because their American man boots that maybe cost 30$ more than their Chinese competitors stopped selling because people aren’t willing to pay for American. We shot ourself in the foot
Sell me some of the new diamond spray!! I will test it on the knives I make. Love you guys!
Hey guys how are You cracks can You talk one. About the taxus knife actualy i have two. Mora the garberg and compation and let me Say those knifes are so stronger but i don't know how get the leuku the beggest one can You help me brother
The big question is: what’s the song playing in the background while you two are talking?
I know first hand from keeping in touch with foreign exchange students from college that the citizens there hate their gov way more than we do but are too scared to say anything. Those who do, often are not seen again or something "tragic" happens. But I too am guilty where sometimes my passion for how much I hate what is going on with that gov where some of that hate spills over to all the people there unknowingly. Then I have to remember the friends I made in college who are from there.
I shave mixed feelings about copying... I mean who owns the copyright on the wheel? Or the door or pants?
So I subscribed after watching this video. Many folks don't want to buy Chinese made products and I get that, but affordability plays a huge role in why people do. Most people on a budget do not care where it's made. They care how much it costs. Does that make them a bad person? In a perfect world I'm sure most of us would buy from our country of origin. But look around... the world ain't perfect. Thanks guys.
I am against racist of all colors. I hesitated to buy chines knives initially but I realized I was perpetuating the same racist crap so now I buy what the hell I want. I have USA, Taiwanese, Italian and Chinese made knives and I will keep buying them unless I can't.
No matter what.. Whenever DBK is in Norway next. Hit me up and I will have some Smash ready for you, and of course some other goodies 😉 Thank you
I know in the world of folders, lots of western custom knife makers have been turning to top tier Chinese knife companies to make a more affordable, factory version of their knives. Can't afford a $800+ for a custom Peña Knives folder? Well just grab one of his X-series that will run $275 for an amazing knife that is functionally the same as his customs. Want something by Ray Laconico but don't want to wait over a year and pay well over $1,000? Dude has partnered with multiple companies to bring you quality knives, with his signature feel, for some seriously affordable prices.
this is a great video you two are amazing and fair regards from Allan in Australia i sell knives in my small shop in Gulgong nsw and learn about the knives i sell from your videos
We need to talk about how they’re mobilizing the Marines for an invasion of Taiwan then preparing to do a battlefield handoff to the army
And we need to talk about western democracies as well and what we are responsible for in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, drone killing etc. I have not yet addressed the damage the west has done to the environment in many countries only for more and more profit. We think we are the good ones, we think we are morally higher, but we are not.
@@achimgeist5185 And we need to talk about how the great leap forward killed 60 million people all countries do bad there is no country that is innocent there’s no human that is innocent it is impossible, and we do talk about it because we have a free press at least one that’s free or than Chinese and just because we do bad doesn’t mean that they are allowed to do it
@@achimgeist5185 We need to talk about how western countries are comitting ethnic cleansing against white people
@@cster9261 we do not have a free press
@@cster9261 I think we have to clean our doorsteps first before we lecture others about their dirt.
Great conversation.
You have a platform to talk about something you love; Knives that are well made.
In a way, you are the superstar of your area of expertise. People respect your opinion because they see you are sincere and credible.
I think it's awesome that you are more than just material things, you are about a certain ethic.
It's brave of you and you will be more admired by most and not by some.
It's an admirable thing to stand up for what you believe in and hopefully make the world a little better.
✌️🦁
I have a few Chinese knives and the action on them is better than some of my American manufactured knives. My Civivis, for example, have fantastic action. A Spyderco that costs 3 times as much, is not as good.
People need to drop the racism and look at the quality. China and cheap still happens, it’s an option but they are also making some very nice tools. 🇨🇳
Aren’t spyderco knives made in China now?
One thing that worries me is that the rapid improvement in Chinese made knives will further reduce US production and one day 100% knive sold in US are made in China, just like the T Shirts, Sneakers etc. and if there is a supply chain problem, There will be no knive in USA.
@@martinsmith3550, there are bigger problems in this world than who supplies our clothes/knives/appliances.
If the product is good, I’ll buy it.
It's not about racism. It is about not supporting the evil Chinese regime. You know there are more topics to discuss other than the intellectually lazy accusation of racism.
You have a better open mind than most people I see. You can distinguish good and bad and in between without a political ideal that blinds a person which is very unhealthy. If there were more people like you. Friends and family's of this day and age wouldn't be disowning each other and waste years of relationship development because of a different political belief. You keep things objective when need be by products. You don't generalize a whole group based on a numbered few that is not everybody. Never change in the way you guys are unless to improve upon it on a positive scale. Whether its moral wise. Being merchants or content creators.
Man thanks for the comment! It seems we think the same!
In my family opinions differ massively but respect remains.
Cheers mate!
In the future, test brands like Steel Will, Ruike, Real Steel, Civivi, we would be curious how they behave.
I have a very old video on steel will and we have a more recent one on real steel
@@DutchBushcraftKnives Ruike Jager F118 would be an interesting model to test , has good reviews.
Great video!! You should do some reasearch to find a supplier from one of the less whealthy countries from the europe, they as a rule of tought have better production prices for antepreneours. I also apreciate the low volume music from the background, Wodan Boys rule!!!!!!!!!
How does it make any sense whatsoever to make products on the other side of the world and then ship them at massive cost? The sense would be to make products close to your market and not have huge transport costs. You know, like in the old days....
Yes completely agree! But sadly this is the reality and the power is where the people spend their money. Anything made locally easily costs around 7x as much and people won’t buy it. They say they will but they won’t because money changes peoples minds sadly. It’s got to change either way. Or china needs to become more expensive or local products cheaper.
Cheers mateb
It is interesting that there are currently NO dislikes on the video. It makes me feel good about my fellow subscribers.
I'll buy quality wherever it's from. From China, WE knife etc.
Still enjoy my Kizers and Kancepts
It is the moral obligation of any freedom loving & ethical individual to find alternatives to China. It is nothing against the people who are for the most part captives of the CCP. Unfortunately, every time you buy products made in China you are directly or indirectly sending money to the CCP. Buy Taiwanese products instead and do an effort to find alternatives.
CCP > Taiwan. This China hate is ridiculous, it's just a massive state department op. You know what the Chinese aren't doing? Trying to replace the Chinese through mass immigration. Every western country does this. It's pathetic to be anti-China.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 Taiwan #1. 'Bob smith' lol nice name,
@@Jim58223 Taiwan is just a puppet of the State Department
Look at tea. Look at tulips. It's all the same. Great video guys. Let's have a conversation!
Boys, you need to review Lt wright knives
Well put.
15:58 Eh I don't really agree with this. But most of your other points I agree with. People are free to boycott whatever they see fit. The most impact you have is to vote with your wallet. Purchasing goods from whatever country supports their economy, which supports their government. People boycotting a certain country isn't going to bankrupt them, their economy is large enough to self sustain. Boycotting is done for a reason, it's to make a statement whatever statement it may be, and in this case it seems to be not agreeing with the way a government conducts itself. Also if people want to learn more about avoiding Chinese products I suggest the subreddit r/avoidchineseproducts.
Difficult topic. Handled quite well 👍
I got the dbk knife early on dhgate made from high quality Chinese 440c
Unbelievable quality 🇨🇳👍
While I agree there's some good quality and value for money items you can get from countries such as China (and even Russia) I am doing my most to limit my support for brands based or using items from those countries due to not only the poor working conditions and there oppressive policies internally but also aggressive neo-imperialism of there governments on the world stage. That said I agree with so much being made I find in nearly impossible to put this into practice especially for electronics just due to the nature of the global supply chain but I will always do my best to support local businesses, who sauce there materials in a environmentally consciousness way and treat there workers ethically and who taxes aren't going towards evil governments.
what wrong with Russia? our companies don't use slave labor and always try to make quality product for last long without planned obsolescence.
Aggressive neo-imperialism ？Who launched wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria? Who created a large number of refugees to Europe?
@@terrorwavegabber but they do help supports a government though taxes andby extension fund a military that's currently commiting some of the worst war crimes I've seen in all my time as edgy teenager on the internet I've ever seen in Ukraine in addition to the oligarchy and general corruptions necessary to get anything done in russia... Did I mention the war crimes and general crimes against humanity that are going on right now?
@@emoanarchist96 you know nothing about this war and war crimes, this war should have happened many years ago, but I don't know why this take so much time, so many Russians lives been taken away.
@@terrorwavegabber you have no idea how deluded you are, I've seen family's murdered in cold blood on multiple cases, children screaming as the die, old men diying in there sons arms as the both bleed out, there corpses found with there one remain dog sitting next to them. And that's before you get into the indiscriminate shelling of non military targets. Your state controlled media has been spreading misinformation and is currently lying to you about everything that is happening in Ukraine, you think I'm not telling the truth use an tor browser to get though your countries now mass censorship and look for yourself if you can stomach it. Why do you think the whole world who can barely agree on anything, turned so quickly in unison against your country?