Shogun Showdown: Shogun 1980 Vs. Shogun 2024: Buntaro Archery Shooting Scene
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2024
- Shogun Showdown: Shogun 1980 Vs. Shogun 2024: Buntaro Archery Shooting Scene - Who Will Win This Showdown? Vote In The Comments. Shogun 1980 was made by NBC and Paramount Studios. Directed by Jerry London; Produced and Screenwritten by Eric Bercovici. Shogun 2024 was made by Walt Disney Studios+, Hulu, & FX. Created and Screenwritten by Rachel Kondo and Justin Marks. Which is better, or is their a tie? Both versions have their positives and negatives. Each is written from a different perspective, focussing on different aspects of the novel, Shogun. Tanoshimu!
Note: Shogun [1980] is up first, followed by Shogun [2024], and a comparison of the two, followed by a Samurai Shogun Showdown. I tried to upload this 4 times, with the first four times being rejected by TH-cam. Both have their strong points and weak points. Tanoshimu!
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Shogun, The Millions-Of-Copies Sold Novel, was written by James Clavell. The Masterpiece 1980 Television Miniseries was Produced by NBC and Paramount Studios, Directed by Jerry London, Screenplay by Eric Bercovici, Director Of Photography Andrew Laszlo A.S.C., Production Executive Frank Cardea, with Production Designer Joseph R. Jennings. Shogun starred: Richard Chamberlain (as Pilot-Major John “Anjin-San” Blackthorne), Toshiro Mifune (as Lord Yoshi Toranaga; Lord Of The Kwanto; Lord Of The Eight Provinces; Chief General Of The Armies Of The East; Head Of The Clan Of Yoshi; President Of The Council Of Regents; Shogun), Yoko Shimada (as The Lady Toda Buntaro Mariko), Frankie Sakai (as Izu Daimyo, Lord Kashigi Yabu), Alan Badel (as Chief Jesuit Priest, The Father Visitor Dell’Aqua), Michael Hordern (as Christian Franciscan Monk, Friar Domingo), Damien Thomas (as Jesuit Priest, Father Martin Alvito), John Rhys-Davies (as Portuguese “Black Ship” Pilot Vasco Rodrigues), Vladek Sheybal (as Portuguese “Black Ship” Captain Ferriera; Governor Of Macao; Chief Officer Of Portugal In Asia), George Innes (as Erasmus Ship Mate Johann Vinck), Leon Lissek (as Portuguese Jesuit Priest, Father Sebastio), Yuki Meguro (as Chief Samurai Warrior, Kashigi Omi), Hideo Takamatsu (as Lord Toda Buntaro), Hiromi Senno (as Consort The Lady Usagi Fujiko), and Nobuo Kaneko (as General Lord Ishido Kazunari; Chief General Of The Armies Of The West; Commander Of The Heir’s Bodyguard; Conqueror Of Korea; Inspector General Of All The Late Taiko’s Armies; Head Of The Clan Of Ishido; President Of The Council Of Regents; Master Of Osaka Castle). Shogun Film Editors were: James T. Heckert, Bill Luciano, Donald R. Rode, Benjamin A. Weissman, and Jerry Young. Many people were involved in the making of this classic masterpiece. There was an A-List Cast, an A-List Director, an A-List Musical Score from Maurice Jarre, and A-List production quality with amazing sets and intricate costumes, detailed for that time era. Narration by the famous and powerful voice of Orson Welles.
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ショーグン 1980 対ショーグン 2024 の戦いのこのビデオを楽しんでいただけたことを心から願っています。これが虎長卿から世界中の侍たちへの秘密のメッセージです。あなたの国では、人類を奴隷にするデジタルIDと中央銀行デジタル通貨を拒否してください。」男性諸君、強くあれ。彼らはあなたが弱くて女性的であることを望んでいます、だから男性も強くなってください。神の完全な武具を身に着けてください。手遅れになる前に、永遠の救いのために、今日主イエス・キリストとともに救われてください。今日は皆さんに神のご加護がありますように。アーメン。
In all the comment sections of the comparison videos, it's the memberries of people who saw the original production idolizing it while shitting on the new version. Aside from pulling from the same underlying book, the two shouldn't really be compared, but rather contrasted. I remember watching the original as a kid and remember being captivated as it was groundbreaking for its time, and it deserves plenty of praise. But I am just as captivated if not more with the new version which is clearly done from a much different perspective which impacts how the actors portray the characters.
The original is so much better with most things, particularly the characters and schemes. I cared more about the side characters in the original than any of the characters in the current like the smiling face of capt yoshinaka (sic). And the tension between the church and the capt of the black ship was very intriguing until literally the very end.
Watching the samurai in the 1980 version is like watching knights
Спасибо за сравнение! Важный эпизод в повествовании истории.
80-s:
Лорд Бунтаро откровенно не уважает Блекторна, но он в гостях и вынужден соблюдать правила. Блекторн умышленно спаивает гостя (глупый гайдзин) и предлагает стрельнуть "по-приколу". Возможно гайдзин надеялся на фиаско гостя. Но он очень многого не знает о самураях и их мастерстве. Марико, спасибо мудрой женщине, убеждает блекторна оценить мастерство лучника. Блекторн, увидев точность стрельбы, протрезвел (немного) и правильно поступил указав прислуге дома, что эти стрелы будут здесь всегда в память о мастерстве великого лучника.
2k24:
Все герои современного сериала "маслянные". Точнее любая их оценка "соскальзывает" при следующих сценах. В этом сериале Блекторн "обезьянка-гайджин" для местных. Сцена со стрельбой лорда Бунтаро вообще эпична! Там, как у луковицы, можно слои подтекстов снимать. В 80-х годах кино было более прямолинейно. "Пьяный" Бунтаро стреляет и хочет убить навязанную жену, жена хочет умереть, самураю запрещено убивать дочь военначальника которого он ненавидит. Стрелы в столбе уже не так важны...
I think 1980 certainly communicated more in less time. Also Mariko and Omi seem more alien, almost mystic in the 1980
I'm old enough to remember the original mini-series. I enjoyed it, and now I am currently enjoying the remake. This comparison should make one thing clear; audience aesthetics also change over time as well as screenwriting styles. Issues of historical accuracy aside, when well-crafted one is not inherently superior to the other, but it does speak to people with certain particularities in mind. In the end, all good entertainment should strive to speak to its audience. If they make another remake 40 years from now, I would expect it to be as different from the current remake as the current version is as different from the original. And that is how art become organic.
the 2024 version relied on the now cliche'd slow-motion projectile barely missing a main character VFX to raise the tension of the scene. the 1980 version relied on acting to much greater effect.
The 1980 is better, more subtle, more eloquent.
Again ....the 1980 version....I can actually SEE!!! The 80 version, Anjin has a sort of begrudging respect for the skills on display
Mariko in the 80 on shows so much more of a hidden love.
In the new one I barely feel like Anjin and Mariko have a bond
Ps I hope you talk about the latest episode, they have gone fairly far from the book more then I expected
Hai, Rodline-San. Excellent Comments. I agree with all of your comments. And Hai, Episode 7 has gone quite far from the book, by introducing these other storylines. It is more than I expected as well. I don't know what they were trying to accomplish, but in 7 episodes, I have barely seen Martin Alvito or Father Dell'Aqua. I have to refresh myself with this section of the novel, but it seems very far off. Arigatou Gozaimashita. @@rodline9027 👍
@@theshogunchannel they seem to have skipped the 90% of the religious stuff.
They also are passed where Anjin tries to commit seppaku & that was a major development in the character
Exactly. The new show is not bad, but when you compare it to the orig. show it felt short in many aspects. No chemistry between Blackthorne and Mariko and both cannot hold up to the great performances from Chamberlain and Shimada. Sorry to say, but especially Jarvis is just a tiny little shadow compared to Chamberlain and besides his acting skills he has even to fight with the fact, that they obciously cut down Blackthornes part greatly, which is a shame. And even Sanada is not coming close to Mifune, but that's not a real suprise, because Mifune was truly one of a kind and his stage aura is hardly to beat for Sanada. Mifunes Toranaga seems more mighty and what you would expect from a great japanese clan leader. Conclusion for me, there's way too much hype for the new show, which is still a good show, but not as great as the original show from the 80ties.
@@markuskampmann2053 very well said
The 80's version, its not even a contest.
The new version looks like a video game, the Naginata scene with lady Toda looked like it was computer generated the way things look in "Ghost of Tsushima."
For some reason the new version seems to take place at dusk and in rain 24/7 and this has a grey/green tone all through every scene. It basically comes across as something that will promote a PS game.
Hai, Peekingduck-San. I agree. Excellent Comments. It does look like something to later promote a war-strategy video game. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
Much of the show was likely filmed on set with bluescreen backgrounds, with CGI added for the backdrops. Even in outdoor scenes set during the daytime, everything still has that soft lighting that looks like a set, not the natural light of the sun. Its kinda off-putting if you ask me.
What I found more interesting about the scene in the 1980 version is that when Blackthorne goes out to inspect where the arrows landed, you're left with rhe impression that Buntaro might actually shoot him.
Yeah he could've because he didn't need to see his target to hit it
Also the clear admiration and learning experience Blackthorne experiences despite the other layers of the interactions going on. Multi layered and much more satisfying.
It’s funny reading all the negative comments about the new one, I actually rather like it. The original looks a bit dated but each to their own.
As far as I can tell this channel just exists for people to trash the 2034 version. I get having a preference but people saying the new version is bad is just ridiculous.
@@NLDlover Sometimes it can be because of nostalgia but the 2024 version really is bad, even when pretending you never seen the original mini series or book. So many characters get tossed aside with no development, so many act the same, the lighting is the same in almost every scene, some scenes are rather confusing and you'd be lost unless you saw the original. Lot of characters are rather unlikable, boring and the music consists of mostly ambience that is rather forgettable.
The 1980 version was far closer to the book. The book had Blackthorne evolving. Japan is a lot lighter than the 2024 version would think it. What are we in the fog of Scotland. And I know we aren't there yet but Disney inserted Girl Boss stuff into the 2024. Like Ochiba taking control of the Regents and Mariko using sarcasm.
@Yabuturtle I agree, the 2024 show doesnt have enough camp.
To people complaining about the lighting, do you think 1600 Japan had harsh studio lighting causing strong shadows? Or is it more likely they made do with candles in the evening?
I think both productions are of their time and both have good qualities. Not sure why so many in the comments here have to run down the new one.
このシーンだけは2024のほうが雰囲気でていて惹き込まれました😄
文太郎が実に日本人らしくて素晴らしい🏹
The actor who portrayed Buntaro in 1980 was Hideo Takamatsu (高松英郎). Are you saying he is not Japanese?
All the production for the 1980 version was filmed in Japan, with Japanese actors portraying Japanese roles. The 2024 version is filmed in Canada...
@@ALwinDigital 高松英郎さんは日本でとても有名な俳優です。刑事ドラマのイメージが強いかなぁ。返信ありがとうございました。
Really??? 😳
Meanwhile the english speaking diehard fanboys are fuming about the remake which is a better representation of what the Japanese of that time should've been. One can appreciate both versions but to belittle the remake and say the original is better by miles away is not only short sighted but ignorant.
@@gustlightfall That still doesn't make up for the facts that the 2024 version:
1. poorly lit, dark scenes
2. poorly written character development
3. unrelatable characters and actors
4. drastic alterations from the novel
I think someone had a good point that comparisons are difficult. One thing that comes to my mind is the 1980 version James Clavell was involved in the production whereas the new one his family just turned it over to the the new writers. I do admire their deep dive into the historical aspects but as I have said, before, I read the book (and I’ve read it several times, such a favorite!) it was a love story set against the historical background. The new version is more focused on Toranaga. I guess both have their good points.
Even that i haved watched the original 10 times it still keeps on my toes. The new one looks like a fade version.
Hello, my friend... Another great comparison...Yet another deviation from the book... In the book, and 1980 version.... 3 ARROWS.... In this 2024 version.... 2 ARROWS..... In the very dark, chamber of horrors version, we can only just see the 2 arrows in the wood...But in our favorite 1980 version, it was all so bright, clear, and so close to the book story... WHY is it always so dark and rainy in Canada ?.... My favorite star is Fujiko 2024... I thought that 1980 Fujiko looked lovely in the blue... Very sweet...
Hai, RichardRuff-San. You are 100% correct. I do not know why they chose to fly everyone to Vancouver, Canada, instead of just simply filming it in Japan, and not using the Blue-Tint Filter, but they seem very happy with their 2024 production. Excellent Comments. Arigato Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannelHai, .... I understand that, initially, they WANTED to film somewhere in Japan, but were unable to find any suitable locations, due to populations in the selected areas, and such infrastructures as bridges, power cables, main roads, etc, which could NOT be hidden... So they decided on some of the unspoiled areas around Vancouver... The only drawback was that the rainfall was predicted to be so heavy, at the filming times... But, at least we have a lovely new Star, Moeka Hoshi, who will probably get many contracts from her performance in this ' show '.... Incidentally, I want to join the Fujiko fan club !
@@richardruff8712 Hahahaha!!! Great comments, RichardRuff-San. Domo for informing us on why they chose to film in Canada. Still, I wish they had filmed in Japan, even with all of the roads, etc. They could have taken them out with CGI. Hai, Moeka Hoshi is wonderful. Lord Toranaga is making you: the President of the Fujiko Fan Club. Your Fief has increased and you will receive 1,000 Koku per month, 12 Samurai Retainers, 10 Kimonos, 5 Horses, and 3 House Maids. Arigato Gozaimashita. 👍
@@theshogunchannel Ahhh... Arigato Anjin san... I will have Fujiko with TWO guns, please... Very cute and dangerous lady... Please have you done the comparison of Toranaga 1980 and Toranaga 2024 yet ? Or maybe wait until the end of the last episode ?... I now have my opinion, but who knows what will happen in the last episode ?
@@richardruff8712 Hai, RichardRuff-San. I will see about a Toranaga Comparison next. Perhaps we will start with the War Cry that he does. My last Shogun Showdown was so frustrating, as I have edited and revised it 21 times, and it is still not meeting TH-cam AI standards. I have so many Showdown ideas to upload. I agree: We will see what happens in the last 2 episodes. Hai, Fujiko-San and two guns for you. Great Comments. Arigato Gozaimashita. 👍
Why??!! Why that awfull tetric dark iluminación!!
Hai, Chompypunk890-San. For whatever reason, Disney+ Hulu FX decided to make Shogun 2024 a very dark, low lighting production. They say, with CGI, you can hide things more. That is true, but we can't see much of anything. Excellent Comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel Well whatever, but visualy it's horribly heavy. That's why I don't like current horror movies: they tire my eyes. Saluts. 🖐🏻
I think they are trying to be more realistic. Considering, back in the feudal japan era, they did not have the electricity.
@@rungsarnsuthithanin8415 Yes, but they did have sunlight in the daytime, back in 1600.... Almost all outdoor scenes seem to be in dark, wet, damp conditions... Surely the sun shines in Canada ?
@@theshogunchannel Well these days everything's got to be like Game of Thrones, right? Dark, murky, with that "winter's coming" vibe.
New shoun is a shame compared to the original one in 1980.
2024 for sure. 1980 looks like it was shot on a set.... 2024 looks like it was shot on location. Much more believable.
Hai, unfortunately, the location that they shot Shogun 2024, although more believable, is Vancouver, Canada. Shogun 1980 was shot in Japan, exclusively.
@@theshogunchannel It doesn't matter. 2024 looks more real anyway.
@@theshogunchannel Well aware that 2024 was shot in Vancouver. That doesn't detract from how 'believable' the cinematography is. 1980 has shadows in all the wrong places and looks over lit. Cameras today have a great latitude range that allows for more natural lighting than a lot of the film ASA's of the day back then.
😂 I guess the movie producers and special effects people never heard of Archer's paradox. At the distance to Mariko, the arrow would be flexing like a snake
私には80年代のモノは実に説明的でリアルさに欠ける描写ですが、日本文化を知らぬ欧米人に分かりやすくする為に制作されたのだろうと感じます。
しかし2024年版はマリコの英語が雄弁過ぎて違和感を感じます 当時の日本人が、ここまでアクセントを適正に英語を話せたとは思えません。
しかし映画を観る英語圏の人にとってはより分かりやすくブラッシュアップされたようにも感じます。
Shogun 1980 は間違いなく、日本という国を世界に美しく正式に紹介したものでした。 Shogun 1980 が登場するまで、多くの人は日本文化を明確に理解していませんでした。 Shogun 1980 は、すべての人にとって、日本の人々、土地、文化を愛する素晴らしい入門書でした。小説の中で、彼らは笑い、ホーンパイプソングを歌い、踊り、食べ物を食べます。これらの日常の文化活動は Shogun 2024 には欠けています。これらの文化的要素は、鑑賞すべき美しさと美学を生み出します。良いコメント。アリガトウゴザイマシタ。
The actual shot in the current version reminds me of something you would see in the Van Lustbader Ninja or China Maroc series.
Thanks a lot The Shogun channel for your work! Everybody who wants to understand a paralell situation in Europe via a great novel, I recommend to read or listen - A Collumn of Fire by Ken Follett.
Dōitashimashite, ManK2022-San. Excellent comments and recommendation. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
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Going to be unpopular here but 1980 looks like a joke to me after watching 2024. I can't take it seriously anymore. 2024 is perfect to me.
40 years after ! and Chamberlain is more charismatic . But sure, i love Shogun 2024. Shogun 1980 is " ma madeleine de Proust" .
the best part of the 80er are missing. At the start, Blackthorn ask Buntaro for a shooting conquest and mariko tells him directly that blackthorn will losing :)
Hai, JensCamilo-San. I tried uploading this 5 times to TH-cam, and edited it over and over again. Unfortunately, after many edits and cuts, this was what TH-cam allowed. I agree with you. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
And more importantly, Blackthorne begins taking big sips of sake and makes Buntaro drink with him in the hopes that next day he'll be unable to shoot... "and a firm hand!", shouts Blackthorne, toasting. Suddenly Buntaro kinda acknowledges the trap and decides that right now is the perfect time for the demonstration.
We’ll, like I’ve said, the book and the 1980’s version are a tragic love story like Romeo and Juliet. Even with the breaks for what would have been commercials it holds up. No matter how close to federal Japan they got in my opinion they missed the real point. The 2024 Blackthorne is a bumbling fool.
Hai, Danwheetman6914-San. I agree. Excellent Comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
I take the 1980 version over this new modern take, this new version and its darkness is annoying as well as this over the top drama with the slow motion CGI
It is very out of character for Blackthorne to be so overfamiliar with and to chastise Buntaro like that, very out of character for Mariko to just bluntly translate his words, and for Buntaro to just laugh it off.
In 1980/book Blackthorne had to be prodded by Buntaro's beating of Mariko to lose his caution and patience, qualities harshly instilled into him by his initial stay in Anjiro. And even so, Blackthorne reeled in his rage very quickly, switching back to polite manners, understanding that he, Blackthorne, had no rights in Japan whatsoever.
Mariko would know how dangerous it would be to provoke Buntaro like that and would not translate or would severely soften the tone or even meaning of the words.
Remember, Buntaro accepted the blame for the incident because he was the sole culprit of "disturbing the wa". If Blackthrone were to start the conflict, by a rude comment, he'd very likely be dead on the spot.
2024 has an annoying habit of turning characters into dumb, rude blabbermouths.
There are multiple moments in the recent episodes where Blackthorne would be quickly put to death.
Original does it better -- my favourite moment is when Blackthorne complimented Buntaro's skills by insisting his arrows stay embedded in the post.
The remake's constant focus on animosity between them is boring.
The original wins so far by a country mile.
Excellent comment and phrase: "Original wins so far by a country mile" - 100% - Arigato Gozaimashita.
1980 version wins.
2024 version:
1. Blackthorne: war, talk, you and gesturing bow and arrow looks like he's mocking Buntaro. And moments before that Buntaro was openly mocking Blackthorne's eating manners.
2. The arrow flying very close to Mariko's face was done in CGI post production. Did they really need to storyboard the scene with Buntaro uncaring whether his wife got injured? Just to set up the next conversation about treatment of wives/women. And face it, European men were no better at the time either with how they treated women.
With the way things are going, especially with the drastic changes introduced in episode 7, I wouldn't be surprised if at the final episode Toranaga says "Thank you very much Anjin for teaching me everything you know. Buntaro, the Anjin is no longer of any use to me. You may kill him if you wish."
Hahahahahaha!! Hai, ALwinDigital-San. You always make me laugh with your wonderful comments! I completely agree with everything you have excellently said, in your awesome style. The last sentence made me laugh a few times. Domo for the good laughs and bullseye analysis. Arigatou Gozaimashita! 👍🏆
@@theshogunchannel Another scene I think you should make a comparison video, though it will be a short scene in the 2024 version. The scene where Toranaga presents two new swords to Blackthorne.
In the 2024 version, someone brings the swords to Blackthorne and that's it. Toranaga doesn't say anything to Blackthorne about the swords and begins talking about the dead (I can only assume he's referring to anyone who was killed during the earthquake).
In the 1980 version, Toranaga presents the swords to Blackthorne with a short ceremony, and via Mariko who is translating, he emphasizes the importance of being presented with swords.
I think this comparison would be important, because it's another scene where the 2024 version fails to respect Japanese culture, no matter the claims the producers make. It's this scene where Blackthorne officially becomes 'samurai' in terms of status. Before, he was simply a hatamato, and in the novel it says or implies that anyone can become hatamato, even non-samurai. Hatamato is just someone who plays the role of an important servant or follower.
I have only watched small segments until yesterday, as I could not tolerate it. Yesterday, I forced myself to watch the entire episode; it was a torture. The poor acting skills were there in full display, with the actors desperately trying to disguise it by over dramatic emotions. Neither in the book, the original series, nor in feudal Japan, could samurai John Blackthorne speak in a condescending tone to his Master Lord Toranaga (even if said in English), raise his voice at him, point acccusingly at him and storm out of the meeting, without being instantly decapitated for insolence. Yet, this is what they showed yesterday when Toranaga agreed to surrender to the Council of Regents, with Lord Toranaga meekly watching him go. How funny!
If they were trying to add a twist to it, they failed miserably, due to poor acting....So many other scenes too were so badly done. Why is there permanent aura of night and darkness in every single scene, despite the fact that it's broad daylight in many scenes? *Long story short, this version of 2024 stinks, big time!*
Yes 🎉
Hai, Sanatranganathan5136-San. Very Excellent Comments with Great Cultural Insight. I agree completely. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
It clearly shows that this 2024 version doesn't really understand Japanese culture. And yet, they are going on and on about how 2024 version is more authentic.
lol, I thought the same way... how on Earth does his head remain above his shoulders after that? lol
In the new version, the actor who plays Anjin looks fearful and without personality.
He looks like a rock star dressed as a samurai
I feel that even a rock star would be able to act better.
The 1980 version respects the novel. In my opinion the 2024 version introduces a useless soap opera fantasy.
Hai, Trasnulachemumulache8590-San. I agree. Arigato Gozaimashita.
I think someone suggested that the 2024 version should have been titled, "Real Housewives of Japan."
@@rickbruner5525 big like😜
The new one is storyboarded and shot like a horror movie. Having not read the book since the mid-90s, I can't tell which is more accurate. I know which one I prefer, and it's not this dark, excessively cynical, poorly acted, edgy slop that's just there to ride on the coattails of Game of Thrones' success.
I could not have worded it better than this. Absolutely perfect!
Hai, SleepingGiant-San. I agree. Excellently stated. Arigatou Gozaimashita. 👍
The 1980 is accurate. Including asking the arrows to remain in place then challenging buntaro to a drinking match so to speak using bowls instead of saki cups. This resulted in buntaro beating Mariko. I think last episode had the beating but it came after buntaro drank too much
Horror movie you said it best 😂
@@CrystalClearNews would you say the new one is less accurate in general?
Who likes Fujiko-san!?
I like her novel version, as well as the 1980 version and the 2024 version.
We ALL love Fujiko... In both versions, she is so sweet and cute.... I wish to join the Fujiko fan club !
@@richardruff8712 was reading an article recently and the reason they changed Fujiko (novel name) to Fuji in the 2024 adaptation is because “-ko” wasn’t used for female names back then.. Except Mariko is still Mariko.
@@ALwinDigital Yes, interesting ... It seems that they are being very selective with their facts... Pretty much sums up this 2024 version, compared to the 1980 version, compared to the original book !
My personal opinion is that the Buntaro of 2024 is as good as an actor as the one of the '80s. He excells in the emotional part and this is much more visible since the other characters are not at all excelling.
So Buntaro of the '80 vs Buntaro of 2024 - equal points.
Fujiko: the 2024's Fujiko is more expressive in this scene, so as to create more tension, but it is overdone, because Blackthorne is also overdoing it, while we know aforehead that Mariko had already asked him to be polite undertoning the risk that Buntaro represented. Besides, according to the novel, it was unthinkable for Fujiko to act like that toward her uncle and superior Buntaro. So my points go to the '80s Fujiko.
Mariko: the 2024 Mariko is suitably stony and icy in this scene, but unfortunately, the actress is the same in every other scene as well. My points go to '80s Mariko.
Blackthorne: Jarvis is a failure in acting compared to Chamberlein. If he has allowed the director to force him to act like that, it is still a problem. All points go to Chamberlein's Blackthorne.
Overall: the scene of 2024 has the original detail of Buntaro's arrows going close to Mariko, so close as to wave a tuft of her hair. The '80s series missed that one, I guess in favor of depicting a more educated Buntaro, who was nonetheless brutal enough, or maybe because they most probably thought it would be out of place with the european audience. On the other side, the darkness in the 2024 is overdone. I can bring to memory scenes from the Zatoichi series, where lighting is as well meager, and yet the scene is clear for the viewer. Other than that, I believe that Buntaro would not allow himself to become so drunk as to fall on his behind after the archery feat. And while the detail of the dangerous arrows and the savage face of 2024's Buntaro are not displeasing to me, the dialogue and the plot of the scene in the '80s is far superior and suspensful without resorting to such instruments as coloring and violence and shouting.
Excellent Comments. I agree. Arigato Gozaimashita.
Is this a joke video? Every time it says the 2024 one the screen goes dark and I can't see anything. I can hear things happening, but nothing is visible. How can I decide which one is better if you won't even show us the 2024 one?
Hai, Anjinsama1978-San. Those are the actual video scenes from both Shogun 1980 and Shogun 2024. Shogun 2024 was filmed with very, very dark lighting. Many on this channel have complained about how dark almost everything is in Shogun 2024. I can try and lighten up Shogun 2024, but then, some would accuse me of tampering with the scene. I just re-checked it, and that is how Disney+ Hulu FX released Shogun 2024. If you go to Hulu, you will find the same thing. Try looking at other Shogun 2024 scenes on TH-cam, and you will find the same. My apologies, but it is the fault of Walt Disney Studios, Hulu and FX. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel Ha ha I know. My comment was just a joke poking fun at how dark the 2024 one always is. Thank you for your kind reply, in any event. : )
There is no Arrow close to Mariko's head. Anyhow, I'm glad to see this scene. I will not watch the 2024 version of Shogun
I don't know who made the 2024 Shogun. Anyhow, it bares the stupid hollywodian movie template. Hollywodian movie doesn' t understand nor the american neither the european modus vivendi, of If You prefer the american or european mentality or way of life. Hollywodian movie fails even in the case of european legends....id est it fails on easy matters so...I think it would be a mistake to expect a good Hollywodian version of the Shogun
The 1980 version of the novel had a very healthy strategy. For each japanese caracter was hired a japanese actor. They (the japanese actors) were let to speak în japanese, and they were let to interpret the caracter az they felt it. It was a very very good idea.
As a 100percent european I toil since adolescence to understand the mentality and history of the great far eastern civilizations(the chinese,the japanese a.s.o.a.s.f). After more then 5 decades I understand...part of them, and....I've read tons of history books , works of orientalists, so of course I would don't buy the hollywod-type stuff, made by we-read-nothing kind of people
In any case the 2024 shooting scene is in my opinion ...garbage and it has nothing to do nor with the japanese legendarium neither with reality. Lord Buntaro was samurai and an elite archer not some kind of medieval market ilusionist
It seams that hollywodian templates suffers of the let-we-rewrite-the-script-even-it-will result-a big stupidity obsession...but If it is so...that is there problem, not mine
New shogun, soooo much better visually. Unfortunately, soooo much worse scriptwise
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The original wins 100%
The new version, like all modern remakes, is garbage. The bad acting, the lack of historical accuracy, the laughable video game special effects all contribute to an end product that is completely devoid of soul and substance. I've read the novel and watched the original; I won't mar either experience by watching this nonsense.
New one takes the cake by far