Tuner obviously knows these engines very well, they never make more than 220 ish standard, book numbers appear to be 20hp off, as said the standard exhaust manifold is incredible for an OEM part, airbox is designed with even harmonics in mind so a basic intake tube and a cone filter will look and sound good but probably lose a bit of power. Shame F20s didnt have the adjustable cams like on a K20, but revving to 9,000 never ever gets old :)
Its really good that more and more people K swap their cars and even using F20C in some of them. I would like to put this in my civic but it requires a rwd conversion. And the most important reason is that the best solution is to find a stock S2000 and use it for weekend fun drives
F20Cs are very poor below 6000rpm, it's an oversquare engine (90.7mm bore x 84.7 mm stroke) without variable vale timing (as opposed to variable lift) after all. The Honda K20A is more flexible as it's 86mm x 86mm and has variable cam angle on the intake cam, while the K24 (87mm bore x 94 mm stroke) is torquey for a Honda engine. All Honda "performance" engines have very big ports as standard which also kills the torque, but means you can add quite a lot of horsepower without needing porting.
The lack of torque makes it a no no for rallying, I know someone who did one of the first f20 conversions in a MK2, the Manx was its first outing an he was hugely disappointed, a wonderful engine but not for this application
@@TassieLorenzo the F20C is an 87 mm bore and 84 mm stroke engine (87x84), the K24 a 87x99 engine. I see it also as an issue, the oversquare design does not provide intentionally and easy torque over a wider operational range for rallying applications. My DAMPFHAMMER engine, a Honda K20 (86x86) does make over 3800 rpm wide 192 ftlb (from 4800-8350 rpm) and peak torque of 208 ftlb at flywheel. I wouldn't say these heads are not for torque demanding applications. It's only a question of design...
@@dr.markusraindl1745 Good point! I made a mistake, 90.7 is the stroke of the F22C. I wonder why the F20C needs metal matrix cylinder liners if the bore and bore spacing is the same as the K24 that can fit conventional liner. I misunderstood that it needed that because it had a huge bore.
@@TassieLorenzo the MMC liners are a friction reduction move of Honda for the higher engine speed. Yes, the F-series and K-series share the same bore pitch of 94 mm. The steel liner is friction-wise not bad, but friction is always a tribologic manner here: liner, fluid and piston. Most of the movement is done on the lower friction area, just on the dead centers we have really high friction coefficients, here MMC can make a bigger difference.
Hi buddy just wondering if ur interested in buying my vectra sri 140 on an x reg X715 GBD , it's a none runner but the car is a guenuine immaculate example
I like Honda but I kind of feel it's a bit sacrilegious! I'm guessing the Honda engine is a lot cheaper than a typical Cosworth BDA? IMO the Cosworth BDA is the best sounding four-cylinder ever!
@TassieLorenzo it's all about the reliability of the Hondas as he said. Plus the NA responsiveness over the lag of a cosworth. I am definitely not a fan of Honda cars, but their engines are far superior, and they don't come with the ridiculous Ford Tax .
Your videos just keep getting better and better👍🏻
New to this channel, but loving it. You're a great presenter by the way. 😎
Love your enthusiasm with old skool cars... its what make ur videos so great to watch 😎
Malta is a great source for old classic cars still in great condition too!
Malta was all but cleared out years ago, it’s been South Africa they’ve mostly been coming from in recent years 👍
Nice rally Escort and choice of engine.
You need a TV show lad
Get this man on Dave !
Cheers to that! 🍻
he's a really down to earth guy i remember in the early days asking for advice and he was always quick to respond. absolute legend!
@@michaelcordes can't be everywhere at once, a good lad, indeed.
Why add all the complications, meddling producers/executives and cost of TV when he’s here on TH-cam?
You always fine the best builds keep them coming mate.
Tuner obviously knows these engines very well, they never make more than 220 ish standard, book numbers appear to be 20hp off, as said the standard exhaust manifold is incredible for an OEM part, airbox is designed with even harmonics in mind so a basic intake tube and a cone filter will look and sound good but probably lose a bit of power. Shame F20s didnt have the adjustable cams like on a K20, but revving to 9,000 never ever gets old :)
Its really good that more and more people K swap their cars and even using F20C in some of them. I would like to put this in my civic but it requires a rwd conversion. And the most important reason is that the best solution is to find a stock S2000 and use it for weekend fun drives
Love the induction roar!
The only mod you need to do on a s2k is good tyers, amazing escort x
Cool build! 250hp out of a 2.0 on ITB's is very healthy.
Great video. Greetings from Portugal
Peak power alone is just a number a Rallye driver is interested. What does the hole dyno graph for this engine looks like?
F20Cs are very poor below 6000rpm, it's an oversquare engine (90.7mm bore x 84.7 mm stroke) without variable vale timing (as opposed to variable lift) after all.
The Honda K20A is more flexible as it's 86mm x 86mm and has variable cam angle on the intake cam, while the K24 (87mm bore x 94 mm stroke) is torquey for a Honda engine. All Honda "performance" engines have very big ports as standard which also kills the torque, but means you can add quite a lot of horsepower without needing porting.
The lack of torque makes it a no no for rallying, I know someone who did one of the first f20 conversions in a MK2, the Manx was its first outing an he was hugely disappointed, a wonderful engine but not for this application
@@TassieLorenzo the F20C is an 87 mm bore and 84 mm stroke engine (87x84), the K24 a 87x99 engine. I see it also as an issue, the oversquare design does not provide intentionally and easy torque over a wider operational range for rallying applications. My DAMPFHAMMER engine, a Honda K20 (86x86) does make over 3800 rpm wide 192 ftlb (from 4800-8350 rpm) and peak torque of 208 ftlb at flywheel. I wouldn't say these heads are not for torque demanding applications. It's only a question of design...
@@dr.markusraindl1745 Good point! I made a mistake, 90.7 is the stroke of the F22C. I wonder why the F20C needs metal matrix cylinder liners if the bore and bore spacing is the same as the K24 that can fit conventional liner. I misunderstood that it needed that because it had a huge bore.
@@TassieLorenzo the MMC liners are a friction reduction move of Honda for the higher engine speed. Yes, the F-series and K-series share the same bore pitch of 94 mm. The steel liner is friction-wise not bad, but friction is always a tribologic manner here: liner, fluid and piston. Most of the movement is done on the lower friction area, just on the dead centers we have really high friction coefficients, here MMC can make a bigger difference.
Dude, that strup tower brace needs to be a bit taller for when the motor mounts flex
Stunning car mate how's the awd Corsa coming along
Had a little break to do some on the track build. We have fitted new wheels and I have to say it’s going to look great
@TwinEngineCorsa fantastic was Gona pop in other day when drove past but didn't Wana get in way if U was busy keep it up mate love the videos
I know these Honda engines are super smooth, but did he weld it in the engine bay...it didn't move. 🤣
what gearbox would you put behind a honda engine for rwd
Nice, what box is it on?. Can't beat a Ford. 😎👊✌
Love anything honda
Kj adore l escorte est voila que l intellegissance arti qui sans mele ❤❤😊
Makes sense for swap. Shame you couldn't get out for a rip
So what's the best honda engine just so I can stock up on them
K20
Tres belle auto cette ecorte avec le vtec k20 pourquoi pas et fiabiliter pas sur les boite ne reciste pas ❤😊
Hi buddy just wondering if ur interested in buying my vectra sri 140 on an x reg X715 GBD , it's a none runner but the car is a guenuine immaculate example
K24 would of been a good option too. F20c engines are expensive
K24 is the 2.2 from the accord type r a think ave only ever had a k20 ep3 and that was a blast
@@jonnyramp5915 a k24 is 2.4l not 2.2l. ;)
@@nielsdebakker3283 thanks
About time someone put a decent engine in one of these.
I like Honda but I kind of feel it's a bit sacrilegious! I'm guessing the Honda engine is a lot cheaper than a typical Cosworth BDA? IMO the Cosworth BDA is the best sounding four-cylinder ever!
@TassieLorenzo it's all about the reliability of the Hondas as he said.
Plus the NA responsiveness over the lag of a cosworth.
I am definitely not a fan of Honda cars, but their engines are far superior, and they don't come with the ridiculous Ford Tax .
@@carsandcontraband7217Cosworth BDA doesn’t have a turbo, it was designed in the 1960s 😂 You are thinking of the later Sierra era YB 👍
@gimble447 👍🏻
Tem flange para esse motor honda para caixa de velocidades ford
Nice car but its heart is not a mk11 escort
F20c dont tune up that well n/a compared to k20a/a2 engines
LoL
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K-swap the world 🙏🏻❤️
😂 sorry Gordon Murray chose what engine? no who doesn't want a screaming vtec. just love seeing these old motors out and about.
Is not a Ford 😬 , is only one zumbie auto not original.