Why does it always come down to Conservative, therefore bad, -Liberal,- Leftist, therefore good? I am not a conservative, I watch CD and can often agree with many of his points and I don't even know if he is conservative or not, I actually doubt that he is. Yet he asserts that he is based on nothing other than he isn't on Pillar's team. Well neither am I. Channels like Pillars of Garbage are always fighting for the cause, therefore his critique is always going to boil down to that aforementioned mantra: *_"Conservative, therefore bad. Leftist, therefore good."_* It is about as disingenuous as you can get.
Mainstream opinions are controlled by people who believe they're chosen by god to control everything. I'm not gonna say what group is running media and hollywood but they historically don't like Right wing because the entire free world was built by straight, white, mostly christian men..
It seems that to many not agreeing with current identity and DEI politics makes you "a conservative" for some reason. And naturally as partisan as these things are that always me "my side" must be correct on everything and other side must be wrong on everything. Usually that is due some people not having very wide worldview and them being bit simple minded on those issues.
It is course correction. Moderates will believe themselves conservative, because all they know is the hard left, and they know they don't belong in it. If this were a hard right society, then turning Left would be the "good" option.
My thoughts exactly. A strong theme of the cultural Marxists is the automatic denigration of themselves, presumably as proof and in support of the ideology itself. On the face it's intended to be ironic or sarcastic and thereby 'intellectual'. But clearly the individual thinks little of themselves or more probable wants us to think that. It's nothing more than virtue signalling. This is the practical expression of Cultural Marxism.
Oh wow, he is doing that too now? nothing says toe the line quite like adding something he never had before next to his name because that is what the establishment want. good/grief
I have a friend who's exactly like this. Told him I watch The Critical Drinker, and he said that the "Drinker is pointless to watch, because doesn't give valid critiques, he's just angry about everything, he's an Angry Video Game Nerd copycat". Guy completely dismissed him because of his online persona. Anyway, we proceeded to watch Alien: Romulus together, and he gushed and praised it the whole way through. We don't agree on a lot, clearly.
I mean, how many times can you listen to a guy pretend to slur his words while saying "it's a bad movie" He's not terrible, but it gets real stale real fast
Alien: Romulus could've been a decent addition to the franchise but for the risible Ash the Android re-boot and the tedious Gen-Z protagonists which I for one didn't care for. The inventive visuals and storyline was promising, the execution and script less so.
@ZeSgtSchultz I have not been able to watch the post-The Last Jedi Reviewers for the last 2-3 years. Most of their shit is 8 minute videos where I suspect they may have NOT watched the movie they are reviewing. They are low quality content, and political commentators. A few of them regularly appear on Fox. How many times will Kathleen Kennedy be owned and fired? ... next.
I saw a Reddit comment once "breaking down" how Drinker is a "fraud" and one of their examples was his "clearly forced Irish accent".. Peak criticism..
It's obvious that the drunk drinker persona is made up as he has stated many times when asked about the origins, but otherwise his opinions itself seem genuine. Also funny that not liking identity and DEI politics somehow means you have to be "conservative" as Drinker has been labeled.
His lofty critical analysis of The Critical Drinker really smells of jealousy more to me than anything. Just like it always does from so many other TH-camrs that go after him and his peers.
And it's never, "I disagree with CD for these reasons." It's, "I disagree with him therefore he's evil, disingenuous, secretly doesn't believe his own words, and therefore secretly agrees with me and I'm more moral than he is, look at me and how good a person I am." It's always ad-hominem kitchen-sink arguments.
Being a critic requires very different skills than being a writer. Whatever your thoughts on "Rogue Elements", they do not detract from The Drinker's excellent channel.
I read one of his books and as others said it is airport literature but I doubt the CD himself aspires more with his books. His movie short has turned more into a PoC, which may or may not be his first goal but he accepts its limitations and given a professional crew and funds he might be able to pull off an entertaining tv series.
Anyone can be a critic on TH-cam. Drinker’s early videos were funny but now he just repeats himself over and over. The man who can’t stand surly, girl bosses who fight and defeat men three times their size managed to put not one but TWO of them in his movie. The guy deserves a lot of criticism for that alone.
@@Punky_Brewski If it appears Drinker is repeating himself, I would contend that Hollywood's output is nothing more than iterations of their ideological compass, always pointing in the same direction, as the world turns away from their content. Therefore, the appearance of repetition in his critiques are based upon Hollywood's repetition of "The Message."
In 2019, I got my PhD in philosophy, (for all the good it has done me). My thesis dealt with disability, how to actually do something about it, how terms like "accessibility", can be redefined to be of practical good rather than purely academic hogwash, how disabled people need to be competent at dealing with their own disabilities, even what sort of practical measures we should think about when saying whether a disabled person can or cannot do something. there was an entire chapter on learning disabilities, as well as discussions of issues like assistance animals and work hours, and all of this drawing on the "lived experience" (to use that hated phrase), of someone with a disability himself. It went through two vivas, was put through a feminist ringer, and finally needed a complete rewrite because the first set of markers wanted more on theoretical conceptions of illness! Moral of the story? Academia can go to hell, because academic concerns are not practical concerns! They're ultimately a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing! I want to know about whether a film is good or woke, I'll ask the critical drinker. I want to know about the sexual and transcendental influence of cultural marxism, I'll, ---- well ask no one, because at this point I don't give a rats rear end about any of it! It's done me no good, hasn't helped get any of my fiction published, (me being a straight white male after all), and frankly is a giant waste of time, so as far as I'm concerned "pillar of garbage", might as well be this youtuber's output as well as his name!
Omg you're the guy! You cry about wokeness cause you can't/won't accept the fact that maybe you're just not talented, your writing sucks and maybe it's because you're a white guy who has nothing to draw from so your works are all derivative. BUT NO! it's the woke intellectual academics who have rejected your.... Genius? You're right tho, that PHD has done nothing for you.
I fully approve of your assessment (assassination) of contemporary western academia above and its descent into echo chamber postmodernism of benefit to nobody aside from a few activists. Also, its baleful impact on the 'entertainment' industry which has similar ideology jarringly inserted over recent decades. However, there remains some academic work of merit where the mind virus has not taken hold, particularly in STEM disciplines where it cannot be easily crowbarred into the canon of scientific principles and verifiable proofs. Being palaeoecology, my dissertation was naturally free of any feminism or indeed any intersectional leftist theory. But it was a long time ago and I've heard ominous tales of diversifying or decolonising sciences lately. Eek! As for attempting to publish fiction, good luck with any of that since the west massively overcompensated for the previous perceived underrepresentation of female writers....and black, gay, trans, non-binary writers. Like you say, white heterosexual males need not waste their time. 78% of those deciding on works to be published in Britain are feminist women now. There's an interesting YT video (sorry, can't remember the details. Might be Echo Chamberlain himself?) which addresses the issue. Some of the greatest works of western literature simply wouldn't get published now that the institutions are so completely subverted. A tragedy for the arts and academia -- or what passes for them nowadays. Good luck with your endeavours, but you really need it now. P.S. Pillar of Garbage is an unironic channel name - the only honest thing in his video.
@PaIaeoCIive1684 ha! What a load of bs.... cry more. I'm a mechanical engineer and inclusivity and diversity is KEY because we as a species are not a monolith, whiteness is not only not the default but a minority internationally. The fragility of white hetro men the second they are not the sole focus of media and entertainment is laughable... The reason these works wouldn't be published today is because they were already published telling stories that were of the time and place, we've moved on, our media and entertainment should too... Cause even at the basic divide of men & women populations are about evenly split so should at least half of alledia and entertainment focus on the OTHER HALF of society? You're calling for more representation of white men as if you haven't dominated all markets UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME. academia is becoming more diverse and intersecrional BECAUSE ITS ONLY RECENTLY THAT OTHER PPL THAN WHITE MEN COULD ATTEND. How do you not understand how history works and how we are a product of all the events that preceded us. Explain to me how intersectionalism is bad for stem? How more experience, more perspectives is bad?
@@floydffrogfloydffrog7453 That old joke: what do you say to a philosophy graduate? 'burger with fries, please' (or other variations) is based on truth in an era when anyone with a pulse can attend university. Was in a shop in London when 5 staff were discussing their degrees. Some, like modern dance and media studies wasn't a big surprise, but the guy with a hipster beard had a physics degree.
This is a brilliant rebuttal and commentary. As a fellow liberal, am bloody glad there are people like you to represent the portion of us that haven't gone off the deep end in recent years.
People like garage-man are usually paid shills, you see it in video gaming videos alot. Shills are everywhere. But drinker did get meaningful criticism, when it came to the fallout tv show from the synthetic man for defending the message of Amazon. The drinker was there for fallout game fans, like he was there for the star was and LOTR guys.
Did POG get the message that Orange Man was voted back into power because we're all sick of ubiquitous Neo-Marxist sensibilities ruining absolutely everything? [8:03] Petition to cast Sydney as Power Girl in the next Justice League movie.
Literally none of us expect a CRITIC to actually successfully write a novel or make a movie. We KNOW it's difficult but that's no excuse for poor work when you have a 500 million budget. And we - DON'T - want "conservative media" - which just want cool movies and TV.
It's crude to say "ha, the critical drinker and the DW didn't create great films" if even if they got funding, anyone who worked with them would be in danger of being blacklisted. it's breaking someone's legs and then observing that they don't run so good. Working out what you're doing in a complex industry you have limited experience in would be a learning experience. (It sounds like the intent was to make a braod point about conservative media. Drinker is trying to make thrillers. DW's project is... more fraught.)
Pillar of Garbage and several breadtube critics have been doing attack videos of the Drinker and Nerdrotic as a way to draw eyes to themselves for a while. I used to fall for that tactic until figuring out I was putting money in their pockets.
Pillar of Garbage knows what will bring him views for his audience. His first "critique" (attack) on Critical Drinker came sometime after Glass Onion dropped and is one of his most viewed videos. He followed it up with a 2nd video to try and replicate the success and met with moderate success the next time around. This is yet MORE of that. Dude wouldnt be relevant at all if not for Drinker so of course he swings from his nutsack whenever the opportunity presents itself. I love how he proclaims in his first video of the drinker "i diDn'T wAnT tO HaVe To maKE THis!!!!!!1111one" but we all know, yes he did. He COULDNT WAIT to make his video. Attacking another prolific YT is drama baiting and drama channels soar in popularity. Nothing gets discussion and engagement going like some shit slinging, which is ironically, is all that Pillar of Garbage is good for...really lives up to his namesake. What a joke
America has the largest empire ever constructed and FAR more vassal states than Britain ever had. You can deny it as an American but all your vassals know our place and understand our situation.
@crakhaed exactly! - he confuses 'american' colonialism for British Colonialism. American colonialism barely existed and ended with peaceful tranafers of control (Phillipine Islands, etc).
Red letter media made one of the worst movies ever yet they're still loved for their media critique. I guess it helps to have the right political opinions.
I have to disagree agree with you a bit the reason RLM is still well liked isn't about their political views are but because do not go around saying oh this is bad because DEI or Woke. They talk about the flaws such as storytelling, character, camera work so forth and so on.
Rlm went against Ghostbusters (2016) remember? Twitter jumped down James Rolfes' throat for simply refusing to review it. Rlm just isn't one of ideological channels - everything's on case by case basis which is why folks have stuck with them for more than a decade
Their movie never took itself seriously and neither did they. They also don’t make every movie reviews about the culture war. They don’t mention politics at all.
What? That's the dumbest shallow centrist take I've read today (granted it's early)...tell me how the right and left are balanced? Do you think protecting rights and stripping them away equally degrade the fabric of society? Do you think calling out racism is the same as being a racist? How have you managed to survive this long?
@DH1984-d7d centrist are morons... The both sides debate is for morons. Do you want me to explain it to you like you're 5? False equivalence is when some smooth brain takes 2 contrasting ideologies and tries to balance them out morally on a spectrum despite the ACTUAL effects of those ideologies not having the same impact but the opposite. Left and right are not 2 sides of a coin where there's some magical edge in which the right answer exists.
Ah, Pillar of Garbage; a rather fitting name. For those unaware, Pillar of Garbage went after Drinker for his Knives out Glass Onion review, where he proceeded to misrepresent the Drinker and provide evidence that actually disproved him. Don't believe me? Check out the EFAP episode where Mauler and company went over it. It's quite hilarious and what was funnier was that Pillar of Garbage had a hissy fit on his community tab calling out EFAP. Keep in mind, he was a sizable channel back then as well and made the accusation they were going after smaller creators. Now, you may not approve of EFAP's style. They can be mean. But whenever you post anything on the Internet; it is open to scrutinity. Have a thick skin is what I say. What matters are your arguments and the facts you use to justify them. And POG's video simply wasn't very good. It only worked for those who were predisposed to dislike Drinker. And note; while I do enjoy Drinker, he isn't perfect. He's gotten things wrong and there have been takes of his I have disagreed with. But he's undeniably up there with my favorite critics because his short videos are packed with plenty of good arguments and references. Unlike Pillar of Garbage; whose videos are subjective gobbly guck and vague statements which if you ask anyone what exactly he said; you wouldn't be able to process what he said.
Funny how detractors only go after Drinker. What about the director, actors, or editor? Isn’t film a collaborative process? Why is it only the Drinker at fault in their minds with no mention of anyone else? For all this posturing, their motivations are as subtle and nuanced as a Matt Walsh video game review. Envy is a helluva drug.
I agree. Especially since the crew were supposedly the experienced ones, and this was the Drinker's first try at script writing. I wonder how good the 1st scripts were of the awards winning writers? Were they brilliant from the start? I found the Rogue Elements extremally cliché as well, but as I said earlier - Will was surrounded by the people who supposedly know that industry and do filming for a living.
the entire point of detractors is to use the drama to ride on some prominent figure's coattails. Others like Eric July have an entire "detractorverse" industry built around yapping at him
Nah. Funny part is that same critics that rip critical will suddenly be very polite and kind to showrunners of Acolyte and Velma and SheHulk and new Doctor Who and Anne Boylan movie. Almost like the critics willing to give a pass to certain creative based on politics but then continue to claim being objective and impartial. Either rip everything or praise everything equally. It's all very disingenuous
Rogue Elements’ Director was also the Editor and Co-writer I believe, so yes given the model of a film is written 3 times, the script, the shoot, the final edit, that person also shaped the end result. So, yeah it is easier to label the film as Critical Drinker’s as his name has more recognition, but filmmaking is a weird unique process where if you weren’t part of that particular’s film creation you will never truely know how much contribution each participant made.
Drinker is right to ignore this guy. He has, what?, 3 separate videos dunking on him? At a certain point, it goes from being criticism to straight up jealousy or obsession. Why is Drinker the only one you criticize? Chris Stuckmann and YMS are equally worthy of critiques. Well, given Pillar of Garage's politics, it's pretty obvious why he singles out the Drinker...
I liek de driving munkee. Post-structuralism, not so much. The latter was a parlour game by a bunch of Frenchmen to justify why they did "absolutely nothing, nothing at all" 1940-44. Muting facts doesn't make them untrue. YT deserved our girl Nizam.
I think it’s interesting that his detractors who already don’t like him are putting all their anger to criticizing Rouge Elements (which deserves criticism) and using it as a Gotcha Moment even though unlike the people the Drinker criticizes, he doesn’t think he’s immune to criticism.
@coldfire2753 Not really. Jj made a copy and paste SW, Ryan made something that somewhat looked Star Wars but had nothing to do with it as it threw out everything that made SW SW. And last but not least, JJ made a Frankenstein moster that he called Ep 9.... I'd hardly call any of that trying, more a kind to throwing things at the wall.
@@Ghost7065 You missed my point. I'm not saying they made good movies. I'm saying that the sole fact of making something, doesn't make you better by default.
@@coldfire2753 No, I got what you meant. I'm saying that the Disney Star Wars could hardly be considered something or a movie. They are literally soulless cash grabs that took a brand and lumped some random crap together. It's not really a creation. It's more like a monkey flinging feces.
@@DeathToChaosGods gosh darn it My memory fails me. I mixed up the glass onion episode with PoG and the one with Organized Chaos where he is actually attacking Mauler's MoM (aka dr strange 2) video
Cinema is dead as a social-cultural phenomenon. It is now a themepark filled with drones, robots and zombies who need to get their daily soulless fix. All we are left with are insufferable woke lectures from the failing cult, toddler movies (nothing wrong with that), kids movies for adult male babies (yeah you won) and kids movies for adult women (yeah you won too). For the rest of us the vast majority of humanity who went to the cinema before the Age of Infantilism and Wokeism it has been a total desert. (And I include the countless teens who have been born into it (hundred of millions out there). The Woke and the superhero fans won and now it's dead.
Red Letter Media has pointed out many times that critiquing and creating are two entirely different things. As critics, they are great but as film makers, not so much. Would Pillars of Garbage attack RLM with this same logic? I doubt it.
If you are a critic worth your salt and you start creating, the least you could do is not to fall into the same pitfalls you angrily yell on the internet for years. Also, a lot of TH-cam movie critique is not so much actual critique as it is "I don't want the story to go this direction!". Most critics can't even differentiate between plot and story. Recapping a plot and whining that a "character wouldn't logically do that!" while splicing Tyrion Lannister throwing up every once in a while has very little actual merit. And yeah, Pillar of Garbage should treat RLM's shitty movies the same way he treats Drinker's shitty movi-- I mean, a proof of concept. RLM are not some kind of demigods of movie criticism and their output outside of the internet varietee shows is terrible. Their redeeming quality is that they know full well that their short movies are terrible. I don't think for a second Mike or Rich see Spacecop as "cinema".
@@HenkkaArtGames Do you think Critical Drinker believes he has created some sort of masterpiece? I sincerely doubt it. Once again, making movies and creating movies are entirely different things. George Lucas famously said that: "Movies are abandoned, never finished" and the reasons for that vary from budget to talent. The point I was making is that PoG would NEVER go after RLM, because he cannot place a lazy label on them like he does with CD and he is ALWAYS providing atrocious takes on CD. When does CD "angrily yell on the internet" because I have never seen it? The dude is chill and his drunken persona is just that, a persona, I'm sorry you are unable to tell the difference.
@@timy9197 I already stated why he wouldn't, in my reply above. It's sod all to do with critiquing CD _(which would be fine, if in good faith, but it's not),_ for PoG it's all about gatekeeping via misinformation and bad faith analysis to keep people away from potentially leaving the CLILT.
Check out David Mamet's play Oleanna. It's largely built on the premise that one doesn't go to college to pursue truth, but learn an arbitrary pseudo-gnostic language based in truth-obscuring jargon.
Sure is, and if you're unfortunate enough to read a current essay in any humanities discipline there appears to be a competition to include as many postmodernist buzzwords and phrases while still being vaguely understandable.
There’s definitely a place on the Internet for a film critic like critical drinker and I quite enjoy his videos. On the flipside it does seem they are stuck in a cycle of watching absolute garbage Disney slop and then complaining about it. At a point, I think it’s time to just move on, and maybe those films/franchises aren’t for you.
I think the reasoning behind that is due to the influence Disney holds on younger viewers and the WW2 style of propaganda Disney is hellbent on pushing onto viewers. "Give people an inch and they'll run a mile"; that sort of thing.
@@biggoards2772 for sure, I like that they're highlighting the clear propaganda they're pushing. The DEI, identity politics BS is very dangerous and damaging.
"In 1948, President Harry Truman was running for re-election. During a campaign stop in Bremerton, Washington, Truman delivered a rousing speech attacking the Republicans. One of Truman’s supporters called out, “give ‘em hell Harry!” Truman replied, “I don’t give them hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it’s hell.”"
I used to think progressive meant: in favor of improvement. Which I am to my core. But now that I am older, most change is for the worse. Now, I don't want lofty goals, I want evidence for your change. I think that makes me a conservative now. I also think that a lot of things humanity has done should be treated with respect and not vilified. If you think your new morality is the way of the future, you are probably evil.
Change for changes sake without a proper understanding of the problem, a well thought out solution, and no plan often leads to bad change. I can't remember who said it, but they posited the ideal 3 question response to any call for change. "This is more progressive!" "Compared to what, at what cost, and how do you intend to implement it?"
The Drinker is a capable critic with highly sophisticated language and humor, which makes him fun. However, he's surfing a wave, criticizing the woke mentally ill. As marxism usually does, industries are destroyed because of them.... and now the industries are turning on woke.... which begs the question.... how long will the critical drinker still be relevant, coz I doubt if the industry is cleaned up from the mentally ill marxists, that he will still have the same attraction to the audience.
The funny thing is, can you really call The Drinker a typical conservative? He speaks out against progressive authoritarianism, but I hardly call him a conservative simply because he has common sense.
Today, if you do not bow before the authorites (usually called "the experts") in academia, economics, politics, etc. then that is sufficient for progressives to label you conservative. Ultimately, it reveals the deeper motivation of progressives...they are not opposed to systems of oppression....they are just resentful that they were not at the tops of those hierarchies. The minute they achieve some status and power within such a system, they become not just receptive...but fully supportive. In pop culture, their concept of gatekeeping is the most obvious. They railed against gatekeeping for years. But the minute they had the power to gatekeep they relished it and used it.
@ That's fair and accurate. I wouldn't call him a classical liberal in the sense that I'd call TLP or Echo. More like a right-leaning libertarian type personality.
This. At a stretch I'd be willing to call him right-wing adjacent but he certainly hasn't signalled that he's a conservative, especially when he's praised films like Furiosa which would appear to be woke on its face. The Left attacked Joe Rogan for the same thing despite the fact that Rogan is a libertarian. The left thinks that anybody who isn't a vociferous liberal is MAGA.
11:50 I would respectfully contend that conservatives are simply less receptive to NEW aesthetics (or those of out-groups), preferring a narrower range of (traditional) aesthetics of their own culture. This could be considered deeper depending on what qualifies as depth in the discussion.
I'd say this is both true and untrue. I'd say conservatives look at things a bit more objectively, and have a finer eye for what works and doesn't work about things. While liberals are often more creative and imaginative, able to set new trends and make new formats in culture and entertainment, conservatives can look at things and tell you with decent accuracy how long said trend/format of something will last, and give constructive insight into how to fine tune it. Not that they're not receptive to new aesthetics. Just that they get less swept up in them.
@@jwmorse5221 I'm a free-market closed-border boy and I don't take kindly to no fancy kiwi liberals claiming the aesthetic high ground without a fight.
We don't need scholars to tell us what entertainment is good and what entertainment is bad. 99% of media critics on 'reputable' media like Variety/Deadline and so on are bootlickers for studios so long as their politics align and they're not even half as entertaining even if people politically agreed with them which they mostly don't. People can like what they like but it irks me so much that this fella you pointed out weaves his politics entirely into his video (late capitalism critque zzzz) yet he criticises the Critical Drinker for doing the same from an objective/neutral point of view (the conservatives have Breitbart for actual conservative coverage).
"Academics" view all art as propaganda, so when they are telling you want to watch and what to avoid, they're basically telling you to consume their propaganda instead of the other's propaganda. That is why pillar of garbage brought up a marxist academic to his video to tell people that "conservative propaganda bad, marxist propaganda good."
Pillar of Garbage is the real life version of the arrogant guy in the bar in Good Will Hunting. Chuckie: “My contention is that prior to the revolutionary war, the economic modalities, especially in the southern colonies, could most aptly be characterized as agrarian pre-capital.” Will: “Of course that’s your contention, you’re a first year grad student, you just got finished reading some Marxian historian.”
I know little of Jamison, except that he was a literary critic who, even in 1981, clung to Marxism as the primary lens for understanding society-an approach that, by then, should have been dismissed from rigorous academic discourse but was, unfortunately, at the vanguard of the ideological capture of the university. As is often the case with Marxist writers, his works are no doubt bloated half-again longer than need be with pretentious prose, obfuscating meaning through a tedious deluge of neo-Marxist jargon (as you have demonstrated in this video). So my immediate reaction to anyone citing someone like Jamison would be my favorite schoolyard retort: 'Heck off, commie.'"
As someone once pointed out, literary criticism is where dead theories go to have a sort of eternal twilight undeath. Long after Freudianism or Marxism or Rousseau's Noble Savage have been exploded as nonsense in their originating fields, you will still find shelves of books by English professors using them as though they were still perfectly applicable.
I was on this POG thread.... comment after comment trashing the Drinker and he'd put his little "love heart" of approval. One such was someone rubbishing the Drinker's take on "Prey" on the grounds he knew nothing of native American culture (there were female warriors, hunters & shamen, but Drinker supposedly denied this). I left a comment to invite the commenter's expertise. Acknowledged they weren't an expert themselves, but they'd studied in college. My comment in response was TWICE removed by POG. That comment was to advise a Lakota adoptee had been gently educating me for 30 years. I agreed 100% with their position regarding Comanche culture, but advised this was NOT the Drinker's take. In term of story, his critique was directed at the lazy writing that had the protagonist just leave the village on a quest that tribal elders had not approved, which would NEVER happen. Better writing would have explained why she was a rebel and outlier in a culture that did have female warriors etc AND show the discussion with a tribal elder that would have permitted her to engage in a dangerous quest. I encouraged the commenter to revisit the Drinker's review with this in mind and concluded by saying the Drinker's review would have had more of his viewers go and see "Prey" rather than not because, despite it's numerous flaws, he said it was worth the time and money to see it. Can you tell me why POG would have removed my response and made ME look like a know-nothing loudmouth coward?
@@arafat2924that wasn't mentioned at all that I could find. The Kickstarter page is still up. Pillar of Garbage was right. They slapped the proof of concept on there after the product came out meh.
Three minutes in, for all the tropes and such being called out, yeah, I get it. Some of it was pretty lame. Could've been written better. But people don't understand how budgets influence the story and writing. Drinker has stated multiple times that this was a crowdfunded project and as much as he had ideas for grand set pieces and shenanigans, they had to be scaled down. Not to say there weren't better ways of going about it, especially in the writing. But they did a solid job with the resources afforded to them. And secondly, DRINKER'S MOVIE does more for representation and realism than current-day Hollywood. One of the biggest criticisms I've seen is "Lead actor sounds like a clown, not a leading man". Wtf, that's how people talk in the UK. Also, Ryan Drake ISN'T an action hero, but a British SAS soldier. I thought the action was neat. Its similar to Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher. He didn't fit the role in one way, but he nailed the character in every other way.
Given that it was the Drinker's project, I had expected the Drinker to have a tight script tailored to the resources. Instead the script contained many an unforced error. Those wouldn't be so annoying, if the Drinker had taken his own work apart like he does other works and explained how it might have been conceived differently but budget constraints forced a re-write on the fly. As it stands, it turned me off from buying his books (which I was considering to do).
Mr. Garbage shows why critics like him cannot resonate with audiences not even when doing a trashing video about a lame short film. And it could have been that simple as this Roque Elements Shortfilm really was not that good. I couldn't even finish it as I simple was bored after half of the film. Every character looked the same, talked the same and nobody was likeable or at least interresting. There was no pinch of humor in. And as I was not interrested in the characters, and I don't even know any name of them, there also was no reason to get excited about anything happened in the 10 min. I watched. Finally, it was a forgetteable composition in 100 shades of grey. But instead of highlighting the flaws of the shortfilm, PoG goes full into politics and some weird theory why conservatives cannot do art. Which is stupid as there are lots of great Books, Artpieces, Movies that were made by people that would be considered as politically conservative.
I have not seen the short film the Critical Drinker has made but for a small film production to be produced it requires a lot of work, organisation and money as well as working through unforeseen problems. It is always best to be constructive so that the next one is better whomever it is. No one is born a filmmaker, but can become so with practice and wisdom.
The critical drinker has started critiquing programs he hasn’t watched and games he hasn’t played. As a critic, yall gotta hold him accountable for that.
Interesting to hear the Drinker called a "Conservative" when Will is actually careful not to identify politically, and is in fact hard to quantify at that level. Tall Poppy of Garbage perhaps?
@@B1G_WENGHhe was also on Ben Shapiro and recently started complaining about how we need to say “merry Christmas.” I’m guessing he knows his centrist facade is waning and he’s leaning right into conservatism.
Drinker’s books and his film are for unthinking morons, but this has been a perfectly acceptable field for centuries, oh no, it’s pulp. Pulp is a valid medium. Not for me, but then I enjoy his critiques. I didn’t understand the whole shoehorning of “conservatism” into POG’s video and his comments. As if everyone has to have a political leaning by saying the Acolyte is shit
They are hell bent on throwing Drinker into a category that will allow their supporters to dismiss everything he has to say. I am quite sure CD is a centrist, he doesn't talk much about his politics. Just because you hate commies, doesn't make you 'fair right'. For a normal, logical human being, that is. But for them... If you are against them, you will immediately be labelled as their polar opposite. But let's not forget - they are the open, loving and accepting ones.
Mostly agree, but please don't give me that snobbery about pulp novels. I've read both the Iliad and Mickey Spillane and my question is this: why the hell can't I enjoy both?
Yes being a critic is a different skill set. But proof of concept doesn't excuse the overuse of tired tropes that Drinker so despises. He just doesn't seem to have much writing talent. And that's okay. Nobody expects sports commentators to be good athletes either.
It was perhaps a mistake to adapt parts of his first novel for the short film. The critic and creator he is now is decades removed from the writer he was when that novel was conceived. It will inherently be his roughest work, and will have tropes and clichés, because part of the education in writing and developing the ability to spot clichés and bad execution is realising you're doing it yourself. Once you've seen it in your own work and realise how they can be avoided, you spot it as a critic very easily and that gets frustrating, because Hollywood writers who sell scripts for 100k+ should have a better handle on their craft than a first time novelist.
We still don't know if the book is good or not. What we have seen is that it might be relative conventionally and that it might lack that pinch of humor and fun that makes good genre stories.
Possibly I've missed it in his criticisms, but I've never heard Critical Drinker condemn the use of tropes. In fact, I always took him as arguing *for* the use of tropes. His argument more landed on the criticism that the modern tropes (Though being used and overused they are hardly modern anymore) simply do not work well.
I say this as someone who has spent decades studying philosophy - before university, in university, and after university. The best heuristic I can offer anyone even tangentially interested in philosophy (politics, aesthetics, etc.) is this: *If someone cites a French philosopher, ignore them.*
The thing about academic criticism of popular culture is that I can listen to it, understand it and possibly even agree with it, yet it does nothing to change the way I feel about something I like or dislike. Most criticism is largely subjective as are our feelings. I find it enjoyable when I find someone who can articulate what I am feeling better than I can. However, that also doesn’t mean I necessarily have to or will agree with all of that individual’s takes. For example, the Drinker heavily criticised Blade Runner 2049 but when I eventually watched it I found I disagreed with most points made and enjoyed the film. The point of people like the Drinker is that they are far more in touch with the Everyman than high minded academics are.
High minded academics tend to not be very funny. And I find some of Drinker's critiques hilarious, especially his inappropriate jokes. I have been watching him mostly for my dose of humour, since comedy is dead these days.
@@agiksf.8998 Yeah spot on there, also admit most of the videos I watch are for the movies I'll probably never see myself like Wicked or anything Marvel is putting out now.
I think part of the problem for Drinker is the "quantity vs. quality" dilemma. As a TH-camr, McDonald's level quality, done over a consistent release schedule, trumps anyone who might turn out a two Michelin star quality video done every 6 months or more. Is he redundant across many of his videos? Yes. Are they still true and good enough? Also yes. I literally watch 8 or 9 different TH-camrs who are essentially saying the same thing over and over again. It's entertaining and I'm only half paying attention. I'm not looking for art in a podcast.
Unfortunately, rogue elements has given hacks a metaphorical knife to stick into critical drinker. "there are no bad tactics only bad targets," amirite, comrade PoG?
I enjoy Drinker's videos. His media persona is snarky, witty, eloquent (for someone inebriated) and unapologetic. Still there is a lot of truth in what he's saying about media today. You could compare him to a real educated court jester (there were two types - omagine my shock when I learned this). You could also compare him to a canary in a coal mine. I know it's a tired comparison but still it's accurate. And I love what Drinker, Nerdrotic and many others (including you) are saying: they would love to have more movies/TV series that are well crafted.
“I am smarter and better at TH-cam than Drinker even though I get less views, I am less relevant, and produce uninteresting videos. (Soyface)” - Pillar of Garbage
Pillar of Garbage (apt name) made a video about slop content, but the video was over 30 minutes, had a sponsored ad, and repeated the same points over and over, so essentially it was slop content criticizing slop content. He's an oaf that should be mocked relentlessly. He also sperged out on people in the comments rightfully calling him out.
When you are the #1, everyone is going to try taking you down. Pillar is far from the only one. Look how comicsgate alum Ya Boi Zack has spent the last six months going on daily rants against Critical Drinker...
I hear before the "He made a bad thing so he is no one to criticize media". Yes, and Stephen King is a amazing writer and his opinions on movies are garbage. Normally is the people that core problem they have is that the the critic is conservative or far right. Im in the far left amd still watch Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic necause I like their criticism. I sont agree with their politics, but I dont watch them for that, I watch them to hear about movies, so I dont care. And funny enough, I do it because 90% of critics from the left, are like Stuckman (You cant make negative comments because people work in the movie!!) or they just care more of the politics behind the movie.
It's less that he made a bad thing so he is no one to criticize media so much as he wrote a bad story that does the exact things he criticizes other movies for. It's stunning to me that you apparently missed that hypocrisy. For example, writing the movie, he didn't need to write in a woman who kicks the asses of men much larger than her and saves the hero. Yet he did. That's not something that relies on how good or bad the film turned out. It's something that he specifically calls out in films that he's bothered by. He wrote a plot wherein he proves himself to be a hypocrite. You can't complain constantly about a thing and then, when you have total control over the thing, do the same thing.
The dude is obviously obsessed with the Drinker, Nerdrotic, and the Friday Night Tights gang, I scrolled through his channel and found at least five or six videos about them in the first ten rows.
What an excellent take down. Let Pillar of Garbage make his own fiction video. And thank you for pointing out that Liberals like you find common cause with common-sense conservatives like the Drinker. Pillar sounds like a guy marching in lock-step with the Message.
I use to watch pillar of garbage's videos on the avengers earth mightiest heros show. Those were honestly his best work and led me to believe he was a quality critic. But i suppose its easy to praise a work that is actually you know....good. but his other takes were so below the belt that it made me regret liking his first videos on that cartoon. Honestly if he just spent his time hamming up the pretentiousness into a character that he is aware doesn't reflect how his audience normally is, i think that could be sort of funny. But that requires being a good sport, being respectful of other critics and views you don't agree with and the tact to pull it off. All of which pillar of garbage doesn't have
Why does it always come down to Conservative, therefore bad, -Liberal,- Leftist, therefore good? I am not a conservative, I watch CD and can often agree with many of his points and I don't even know if he is conservative or not, I actually doubt that he is. Yet he asserts that he is based on nothing other than he isn't on Pillar's team. Well neither am I.
Channels like Pillars of Garbage are always fighting for the cause, therefore his critique is always going to boil down to that aforementioned mantra:
*_"Conservative, therefore bad. Leftist, therefore good."_* It is about as disingenuous as you can get.
Mainstream opinions are controlled by people who believe they're chosen by god to control everything. I'm not gonna say what group is running media and hollywood but they historically don't like Right wing because the entire free world was built by straight, white, mostly christian men..
It seems that to many not agreeing with current identity and DEI politics makes you "a conservative" for some reason. And naturally as partisan as these things are that always me "my side" must be correct on everything and other side must be wrong on everything. Usually that is due some people not having very wide worldview and them being bit simple minded on those issues.
That door swings both ways...
@@davechapman5005 Then You're missing the point
It is course correction. Moderates will believe themselves conservative, because all they know is the hard left, and they know they don't belong in it.
If this were a hard right society, then turning Left would be the "good" option.
Pillar Of Garbage (he/him), all I need to know....
Yep.
My thoughts exactly. A strong theme of the cultural Marxists is the automatic denigration of themselves, presumably as proof and in support of the ideology itself. On the face it's intended to be ironic or sarcastic and thereby 'intellectual'. But clearly the individual thinks little of themselves or more probable wants us to think that. It's nothing more than virtue signalling. This is the practical expression of Cultural Marxism.
Pillar of Garbage (who/cares)
Oh wow, he is doing that too now? nothing says toe the line quite like adding something he never had before next to his name because that is what the establishment want. good/grief
@@policesquad Gender ideology is Jewish. Just fyi. It's in the Talmud.
Pillar of garbage just criticized the Drinker!
"Who?"
In the immortal words of Fraggle Rock: "The Trash Heap has spoken, nyaah!"
EXACTLY! They just do this to get their name out there. It's a pitiful cry for attention!
My reaction as well
I thought the same?
For a moment I thought this was Echo's name for Ya Boi Zach. He's the only real person I can think of who has such a massive hate boner for him.
I have a friend who's exactly like this. Told him I watch The Critical Drinker, and he said that the "Drinker is pointless to watch, because doesn't give valid critiques, he's just angry about everything, he's an Angry Video Game Nerd copycat".
Guy completely dismissed him because of his online persona.
Anyway, we proceeded to watch Alien: Romulus together, and he gushed and praised it the whole way through.
We don't agree on a lot, clearly.
I mean, how many times can you listen to a guy pretend to slur his words while saying "it's a bad movie"
He's not terrible, but it gets real stale real fast
@@ZeSgtSchultz It's no different than any movie critic ever. Well, except maybe Leonard Maltin...classy guy.
Bro loves consume the product
Alien: Romulus could've been a decent addition to the franchise but for the risible Ash the Android re-boot and the tedious Gen-Z protagonists which I for one didn't care for. The inventive visuals and storyline was promising, the execution and script less so.
@ZeSgtSchultz I have not been able to watch the post-The Last Jedi Reviewers for the last 2-3 years. Most of their shit is 8 minute videos where I suspect they may have NOT watched the movie they are reviewing. They are low quality content, and political commentators. A few of them regularly appear on Fox. How many times will Kathleen Kennedy be owned and fired? ... next.
I saw a Reddit comment once "breaking down" how Drinker is a "fraud" and one of their examples was his "clearly forced Irish accent".. Peak criticism..
Peak criticism and top notch knowledge of accents!
It's obvious that the drunk drinker persona is made up as he has stated many times when asked about the origins, but otherwise his opinions itself seem genuine.
Also funny that not liking identity and DEI politics somehow means you have to be "conservative" as Drinker has been labeled.
Thank you for watching so we don't have to.
> "forced Irish accent"
> Drinker is Scottish
Lmaoo
Worst Irish Accent ever ,almost sounds Scottish.😊
POG is jealous because Tatiana would NEVER take him home--even if she was his Uber driver.
You won the internet for today.
hehe 👍
Aah Tatiana....
*Insert Critical Drinker's drunken laughter here*
Believe that!
His lofty critical analysis of The Critical Drinker really smells of jealousy more to me than anything. Just like it always does from so many other TH-camrs that go after him and his peers.
James Tullos is another one, petty-ass "literally who" booktuber trying to punch up at Drinker to chase clout for the midwit reddit crowd.
I’m not sure what he’d be jealous of
@@chesterstevens8870 Finally someone who knows how pathetic he is, that moron is so annoying most of the time.
@@timy9197 Probably his relative success, and in a field that Pillar considers to be the domain of the liberal no less.
And it's never, "I disagree with CD for these reasons." It's, "I disagree with him therefore he's evil, disingenuous, secretly doesn't believe his own words, and therefore secretly agrees with me and I'm more moral than he is, look at me and how good a person I am."
It's always ad-hominem kitchen-sink arguments.
Being a critic requires very different skills than being a writer. Whatever your thoughts on "Rogue Elements", they do not detract from The Drinker's excellent channel.
Critical Drinker is awesome
I read one of his books and as others said it is airport literature but I doubt the CD himself aspires more with his books. His movie short has turned more into a PoC, which may or may not be his first goal but he accepts its limitations and given a professional crew and funds he might be able to pull off an entertaining tv series.
Anyone can be a critic on TH-cam. Drinker’s early videos were funny but now he just repeats himself over and over. The man who can’t stand surly, girl bosses who fight and defeat men three times their size managed to put not one but TWO of them in his movie. The guy deserves a lot of criticism for that alone.
I come to the comments section to make this exact assertion.
@@Punky_Brewski If it appears Drinker is repeating himself, I would contend that Hollywood's output is nothing more than iterations of their ideological compass, always pointing in the same direction, as the world turns away from their content. Therefore, the appearance of repetition in his critiques are based upon Hollywood's repetition of "The Message."
In 2019, I got my PhD in philosophy, (for all the good it has done me).
My thesis dealt with disability, how to actually do something about it, how terms like "accessibility", can be redefined to be of practical good rather than purely academic hogwash, how disabled people need to be competent at dealing with their own disabilities, even what sort of practical measures we should think about when saying whether a disabled person can or cannot do something.
there was an entire chapter on learning disabilities, as well as discussions of issues like assistance animals and work hours, and all of this drawing on the "lived experience" (to use that hated phrase), of someone with a disability himself.
It went through two vivas, was put through a feminist ringer, and finally needed a complete rewrite because the first set of markers wanted more on theoretical conceptions of illness!
Moral of the story? Academia can go to hell, because academic concerns are not practical concerns! They're ultimately a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
I want to know about whether a film is good or woke, I'll ask the critical drinker.
I want to know about the sexual and transcendental influence of cultural marxism, I'll, ---- well ask no one, because at this point I don't give a rats rear end about any of it!
It's done me no good, hasn't helped get any of my fiction published, (me being a straight white male after all), and frankly is a giant waste of time, so as far as I'm concerned "pillar of garbage", might as well be this youtuber's output as well as his name!
Omg you're the guy! You cry about wokeness cause you can't/won't accept the fact that maybe you're just not talented, your writing sucks and maybe it's because you're a white guy who has nothing to draw from so your works are all derivative. BUT NO! it's the woke intellectual academics who have rejected your.... Genius?
You're right tho, that PHD has done nothing for you.
I fully approve of your assessment (assassination) of contemporary western academia above and its descent into echo chamber postmodernism of benefit to nobody aside from a few activists. Also, its baleful impact on the 'entertainment' industry which has similar ideology jarringly inserted over recent decades.
However, there remains some academic work of merit where the mind virus has not taken hold, particularly in STEM disciplines where it cannot be easily crowbarred into the canon of scientific principles and verifiable proofs. Being palaeoecology, my dissertation was naturally free of any feminism or indeed any intersectional leftist theory. But it was a long time ago and I've heard ominous tales of diversifying or decolonising sciences lately. Eek!
As for attempting to publish fiction, good luck with any of that since the west massively overcompensated for the previous perceived underrepresentation of female writers....and black, gay, trans, non-binary writers. Like you say, white heterosexual males need not waste their time. 78% of those deciding on works to be published in Britain are feminist women now. There's an interesting YT video (sorry, can't remember the details. Might be Echo Chamberlain himself?) which addresses the issue. Some of the greatest works of western literature simply wouldn't get published now that the institutions are so completely subverted. A tragedy for the arts and academia -- or what passes for them nowadays. Good luck with your endeavours, but you really need it now.
P.S. Pillar of Garbage is an unironic channel name - the only honest thing in his video.
@PaIaeoCIive1684 ha! What a load of bs.... cry more. I'm a mechanical engineer and inclusivity and diversity is KEY because we as a species are not a monolith, whiteness is not only not the default but a minority internationally. The fragility of white hetro men the second they are not the sole focus of media and entertainment is laughable... The reason these works wouldn't be published today is because they were already published telling stories that were of the time and place, we've moved on, our media and entertainment should too... Cause even at the basic divide of men & women populations are about evenly split so should at least half of alledia and entertainment focus on the OTHER HALF of society? You're calling for more representation of white men as if you haven't dominated all markets UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME. academia is becoming more diverse and intersecrional BECAUSE ITS ONLY RECENTLY THAT OTHER PPL THAN WHITE MEN COULD ATTEND. How do you not understand how history works and how we are a product of all the events that preceded us.
Explain to me how intersectionalism is bad for stem? How more experience, more perspectives is bad?
Does having a PhD in philosophy help when applying for a barista position? Asking for a friend.
@@floydffrogfloydffrog7453 That old joke: what do you say to a philosophy graduate? 'burger with fries, please' (or other variations) is based on truth in an era when anyone with a pulse can attend university. Was in a shop in London when 5 staff were discussing their degrees. Some, like modern dance and media studies wasn't a big surprise, but the guy with a hipster beard had a physics degree.
Never heard of him, but after a quick check, the fact he is a brit yet uses 'garbage', and has pronouns in his bio tells me everything.
Yep
Genuine question, what would brits use instead of garbage? Trash? Waste?
@@packe93 Rubbish?
As an American I apologies for the cultural rot we’ve let escape our asylum
@ thank you sir! As a Brit I look towards the US to help us all, ‘cos the UK is currently fooked!
Anyone who genuinely uses the term “late capitalism” to describe something today can be safely ignored.
This is a brilliant rebuttal and commentary. As a fellow liberal, am bloody glad there are people like you to represent the portion of us that haven't gone off the deep end in recent years.
Be that the case, then welcome to the far right!
Ikr if you're not party line you're alt right!
@@realistic_delinquent A fellow far right liberal here. Charmed.
People like garage-man are usually paid shills, you see it in video gaming videos alot. Shills are everywhere. But drinker did get meaningful criticism, when it came to the fallout tv show from the synthetic man for defending the message of Amazon.
The drinker was there for fallout game fans, like he was there for the star was and LOTR guys.
Did POG get the message that Orange Man was voted back into power because we're all sick of ubiquitous Neo-Marxist sensibilities ruining absolutely everything? [8:03] Petition to cast Sydney as Power Girl in the next Justice League movie.
"win by any means necessary"
That is the moxists way
5:15 man, this "late capitalism" sure has stuck around a long time. Are we in "late late late capitalism" now?
We're in super duper last minute late capitalism almost there lol
@@slyaspie4934 Double-secret late capitalism. 🤣
@@scottgun00 I dub it "encore capitalism"
We're already in neo feudalism
I think we've jumped the shark into "post-modern capitalism"... which is really just feudalism with cooler toys
Love your work Echo you are Little Platoon lvls of elequent.
Quite the compliment!
@@EchoChamberlainbeing called "elequent" is wild
Indian or African @greenkoopa
Oh eloquent!
@@EchoChamberlainespecially to a kiwi!
(Fellow kiwi here 😂 )
Literally none of us expect a CRITIC to actually successfully write a novel or make a movie. We KNOW it's difficult but that's no excuse for poor work when you have a 500 million budget.
And we - DON'T - want "conservative media" - which just want cool movies and TV.
Indeed. I am no chef, and yet I can tell when a dish has been overcooked.
It's crude to say "ha, the critical drinker and the DW didn't create great films" if even if they got funding, anyone who worked with them would be in danger of being blacklisted. it's breaking someone's legs and then observing that they don't run so good. Working out what you're doing in a complex industry you have limited experience in would be a learning experience. (It sounds like the intent was to make a braod point about conservative media. Drinker is trying to make thrillers. DW's project is... more fraught.)
This right here. Exactly my thoughts.
But the French New Wave were all critics! They also made terrible movies, but critics pretend that's not the case. ;)
A budget has no bareing on the quaity of writing. Also goes to show how difficult it is.
Pillar of Garbage and several breadtube critics have been doing attack videos of the Drinker and Nerdrotic as a way to draw eyes to themselves for a while. I used to fall for that tactic until figuring out I was putting money in their pockets.
Same. Organized Chaos is the worst of them. And I think he has a show with PoG?
Pillar of Garbage knows what will bring him views for his audience. His first "critique" (attack) on Critical Drinker came sometime after Glass Onion dropped and is one of his most viewed videos. He followed it up with a 2nd video to try and replicate the success and met with moderate success the next time around. This is yet MORE of that. Dude wouldnt be relevant at all if not for Drinker so of course he swings from his nutsack whenever the opportunity presents itself. I love how he proclaims in his first video of the drinker "i diDn'T wAnT tO HaVe To maKE THis!!!!!!1111one" but we all know, yes he did. He COULDNT WAIT to make his video. Attacking another prolific YT is drama baiting and drama channels soar in popularity. Nothing gets discussion and engagement going like some shit slinging, which is ironically, is all that Pillar of Garbage is good for...really lives up to his namesake. What a joke
Attacking whyte men online is a lucrative multi million $$$ industry.
Pillar of garbages analysis of Blade Runner as an alegory for American Slavery and American Colonialism (which barely existed) is hilariously bad.
Oh god he's one of those guy who think Orc are black people
America has the largest empire ever constructed and FAR more vassal states than Britain ever had. You can deny it as an American but all your vassals know our place and understand our situation.
Learn what is in the post war treaty with Germany and tell me they are not a colony.
Hold on. American colonialism during or after the civil war?
@crakhaed exactly! - he confuses 'american' colonialism for British Colonialism. American colonialism barely existed and ended with peaceful tranafers of control (Phillipine Islands, etc).
Red letter media made one of the worst movies ever yet they're still loved for their media critique. I guess it helps to have the right political opinions.
I thoroughly despise RLM.
@@theunknowncommenter725 Same here.
I have to disagree agree with you a bit the reason RLM is still well liked isn't about their political views are but because do not go around saying oh this is bad because DEI or Woke. They talk about the flaws such as storytelling, character, camera work so forth and so on.
Rlm went against Ghostbusters (2016) remember? Twitter jumped down James Rolfes' throat for simply refusing to review it. Rlm just isn't one of ideological channels - everything's on case by case basis which is why folks have stuck with them for more than a decade
Their movie never took itself seriously and neither did they. They also don’t make every movie reviews about the culture war. They don’t mention politics at all.
Echo, you’re a guy who get’s attacked both by the left and the right. That means you’re doing your job well.
What? That's the dumbest shallow centrist take I've read today (granted it's early)...tell me how the right and left are balanced? Do you think protecting rights and stripping them away equally degrade the fabric of society? Do you think calling out racism is the same as being a racist? How have you managed to survive this long?
We used that argument in journalism, but that blocks critical thinking. Sometimes, you really are wrong.
@@spaxx3849 What are you babbling about?
@DH1984-d7d centrist are morons... The both sides debate is for morons. Do you want me to explain it to you like you're 5? False equivalence is when some smooth brain takes 2 contrasting ideologies and tries to balance them out morally on a spectrum despite the ACTUAL effects of those ideologies not having the same impact but the opposite. Left and right are not 2 sides of a coin where there's some magical edge in which the right answer exists.
@@spaxx3849the ravings of a teenager, come back when you have matured a little
Ah, Pillar of Garbage; a rather fitting name. For those unaware, Pillar of Garbage went after Drinker for his Knives out Glass Onion review, where he proceeded to misrepresent the Drinker and provide evidence that actually disproved him. Don't believe me? Check out the EFAP episode where Mauler and company went over it. It's quite hilarious and what was funnier was that Pillar of Garbage had a hissy fit on his community tab calling out EFAP. Keep in mind, he was a sizable channel back then as well and made the accusation they were going after smaller creators. Now, you may not approve of EFAP's style. They can be mean. But whenever you post anything on the Internet; it is open to scrutinity. Have a thick skin is what I say. What matters are your arguments and the facts you use to justify them. And POG's video simply wasn't very good. It only worked for those who were predisposed to dislike Drinker. And note; while I do enjoy Drinker, he isn't perfect. He's gotten things wrong and there have been takes of his I have disagreed with. But he's undeniably up there with my favorite critics because his short videos are packed with plenty of good arguments and references. Unlike Pillar of Garbage; whose videos are subjective gobbly guck and vague statements which if you ask anyone what exactly he said; you wouldn't be able to process what he said.
The image of the underarm bowl from Australia to New Zealand brings a tear to my eye. A great sporting moment!
The highlight of Trans-Tasman relations.
Funny how detractors only go after Drinker. What about the director, actors, or editor? Isn’t film a collaborative process? Why is it only the Drinker at fault in their minds with no mention of anyone else? For all this posturing, their motivations are as subtle and nuanced as a Matt Walsh video game review. Envy is a helluva drug.
I agree. Especially since the crew were supposedly the experienced ones, and this was the Drinker's first try at script writing. I wonder how good the 1st scripts were of the awards winning writers? Were they brilliant from the start?
I found the Rogue Elements extremally cliché as well, but as I said earlier - Will was surrounded by the people who supposedly know that industry and do filming for a living.
the entire point of detractors is to use the drama to ride on some prominent figure's coattails. Others like Eric July have an entire "detractorverse" industry built around yapping at him
"First rule of leadership: Everything is your fault."
Nah. Funny part is that same critics that rip critical will suddenly be very polite and kind to showrunners of Acolyte and Velma and SheHulk and new Doctor Who and Anne Boylan movie. Almost like the critics willing to give a pass to certain creative based on politics but then continue to claim being objective and impartial.
Either rip everything or praise everything equally. It's all very disingenuous
Rogue Elements’ Director was also the Editor and Co-writer I believe, so yes given the model of a film is written 3 times, the script, the shoot, the final edit, that person also shaped the end result. So, yeah it is easier to label the film as Critical Drinker’s as his name has more recognition, but filmmaking is a weird unique process where if you weren’t part of that particular’s film creation you will never truely know how much contribution each participant made.
Drinker is right to ignore this guy. He has, what?, 3 separate videos dunking on him? At a certain point, it goes from being criticism to straight up jealousy or obsession. Why is Drinker the only one you criticize? Chris Stuckmann and YMS are equally worthy of critiques. Well, given Pillar of Garage's politics, it's pretty obvious why he singles out the Drinker...
I can watch an Orangutan and listen to stuff I don't understand at the same time.
I now understand what you meant by this 😂
I liek de driving munkee. Post-structuralism, not so much. The latter was a parlour game by a bunch of Frenchmen to justify why they did "absolutely nothing, nothing at all" 1940-44.
Muting facts doesn't make them untrue. YT deserved our girl Nizam.
May I recommend a little indie film called ' Any Which Way But Loose'. I think you might enjoy it.
I think it’s interesting that his detractors who already don’t like him are putting all their anger to criticizing Rouge Elements (which deserves criticism) and using it as a Gotcha Moment even though unlike the people the Drinker criticizes, he doesn’t think he’s immune to criticism.
At least drinker actually created something.
He tried, he failed, but in the end The Drinker had the balls to do something with his life.
That's a bad argument, because by that logic all the recent Star Wars directors are better than the fans because "they actually created something".
@coldfire2753 Not really. Jj made a copy and paste SW, Ryan made something that somewhat looked Star Wars but had nothing to do with it as it threw out everything that made SW SW.
And last but not least, JJ made a Frankenstein moster that he called Ep 9.... I'd hardly call any of that trying, more a kind to throwing things at the wall.
@@Ghost7065 You missed my point. I'm not saying they made good movies. I'm saying that the sole fact of making something, doesn't make you better by default.
@@coldfire2753 No, I got what you meant.
I'm saying that the Disney Star Wars could hardly be considered something or a movie. They are literally soulless cash grabs that took a brand and lumped some random crap together.
It's not really a creation. It's more like a monkey flinging feces.
Word salad is an academic's way to cover insecurities, cope, and rationalize bullshit.
I remember an EFAP where they looked at PoG's critique of mauler, it was a ride
I remember them taking on PoG's response to Drinker's review of Glass Onion. I don't remember anything about PoG attacking Mauler.
@@DeathToChaosGods gosh darn it My memory fails me. I mixed up the glass onion episode with PoG and the one with Organized Chaos where he is actually attacking Mauler's MoM (aka dr strange 2) video
Cinema is dead as a social-cultural phenomenon. It is now a themepark filled with drones, robots and zombies who need to get their daily soulless fix. All we are left with are insufferable woke lectures from the failing cult, toddler movies (nothing wrong with that), kids movies for adult male babies (yeah you won) and kids movies for adult women (yeah you won too). For the rest of us the vast majority of humanity who went to the cinema before the Age of Infantilism and Wokeism it has been a total desert. (And I include the countless teens who have been born into it (hundred of millions out there).
The Woke and the superhero fans won and now it's dead.
Nobody likes a snob.
@@theunknowncommenter725 Like I said, you won. Congrats.
@@theglanconer6463 Somebody's in their Knowitall 20's phase lol
We were all there bud, you're not special.
Cringe
Facts
‘Pillar of Garbage’ appears to be nominative determinism in action…
A nobody makes a empty attack of The Drinker.
OK ... so?
I'll forget that name in a minute.
Red Letter Media has pointed out many times that critiquing and creating are two entirely different things. As critics, they are great but as film makers, not so much.
Would Pillars of Garbage attack RLM with this same logic? I doubt it.
If you are a critic worth your salt and you start creating, the least you could do is not to fall into the same pitfalls you angrily yell on the internet for years.
Also, a lot of TH-cam movie critique is not so much actual critique as it is "I don't want the story to go this direction!". Most critics can't even differentiate between plot and story. Recapping a plot and whining that a "character wouldn't logically do that!" while splicing Tyrion Lannister throwing up every once in a while has very little actual merit.
And yeah, Pillar of Garbage should treat RLM's shitty movies the same way he treats Drinker's shitty movi-- I mean, a proof of concept. RLM are not some kind of demigods of movie criticism and their output outside of the internet varietee shows is terrible. Their redeeming quality is that they know full well that their short movies are terrible. I don't think for a second Mike or Rich see Spacecop as "cinema".
@@HenkkaArtGames Do you think Critical Drinker believes he has created some sort of masterpiece? I sincerely doubt it.
Once again, making movies and creating movies are entirely different things.
George Lucas famously said that: "Movies are abandoned, never finished" and the reasons for that vary from budget to talent.
The point I was making is that PoG would NEVER go after RLM, because he cannot place a lazy label on them like he does with CD and he is ALWAYS providing atrocious takes on CD.
When does CD "angrily yell on the internet" because I have never seen it? The dude is chill and his drunken persona is just that, a persona, I'm sorry you are unable to tell the difference.
He didn’t attack. He critiqued. And why wouldn’t he review RLM with the same logic? Based on what?
@@timy9197because he’s a leftie and therefore garbage lying grifter
@@timy9197 I already stated why he wouldn't, in my reply above. It's sod all to do with critiquing CD _(which would be fine, if in good faith, but it's not),_ for PoG it's all about gatekeeping via misinformation and bad faith analysis to keep people away from potentially leaving the CLILT.
Remember Kids! If you don't watch it, it goes away!
A good tagline for the proof of concept.
it never worked btw
Check out David Mamet's play Oleanna. It's largely built on the premise that one doesn't go to college to pursue truth, but learn an arbitrary pseudo-gnostic language based in truth-obscuring jargon.
Sure is, and if you're unfortunate enough to read a current essay in any humanities discipline there appears to be a competition to include as many postmodernist buzzwords and phrases while still being vaguely understandable.
Universities in New Zealand for sure.
Thanks for the rec, sounds interesting 👍
There’s definitely a place on the Internet for a film critic like critical drinker and I quite enjoy his videos. On the flipside it does seem they are stuck in a cycle of watching absolute garbage Disney slop and then complaining about it. At a point, I think it’s time to just move on, and maybe those films/franchises aren’t for you.
I think the reasoning behind that is due to the influence Disney holds on younger viewers and the WW2 style of propaganda Disney is hellbent on pushing onto viewers. "Give people an inch and they'll run a mile"; that sort of thing.
@@biggoards2772 for sure, I like that they're highlighting the clear propaganda they're pushing. The DEI, identity politics BS is very dangerous and damaging.
The Drinker's commentary on modern Doctor Who and comparing it to altering a child's Teddy Bear is an absolute classic.
I saw Pillar of Garbage’s name and remembered his pathetic response video to Drinker’s Glass Onion review. Why does he keep doing this to himself?
Well done Sir. It looks like Pillar Of Garbage brought knife to a gun fight.
"In 1948, President Harry Truman was running for re-election. During a campaign stop in Bremerton, Washington, Truman delivered a rousing speech attacking the Republicans. One of Truman’s supporters called out, “give ‘em hell Harry!” Truman replied, “I don’t give them hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it’s hell.”"
Oh yeah, like when he equated Dewey with Nazis. Truman was a politician like all the rest. Some good, some not so good.
As Reagan once said “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Sorry PoG, I had a lovely vegetable salad for dinner last night, I don’t need the word salad you produced to trash Drinker. Nice work again Echo.
When Pillar makes something worthwhile, like the Drinker has, then he might have some kind of point.
I used to think progressive meant: in favor of improvement. Which I am to my core. But now that I am older, most change is for the worse. Now, I don't want lofty goals, I want evidence for your change. I think that makes me a conservative now. I also think that a lot of things humanity has done should be treated with respect and not vilified. If you think your new morality is the way of the future, you are probably evil.
Change for changes sake without a proper understanding of the problem, a well thought out solution, and no plan often leads to bad change.
I can't remember who said it, but they posited the ideal 3 question response to any call for change.
"This is more progressive!"
"Compared to what, at what cost, and how do you intend to implement it?"
@@captbuckyohare5585 I think that's Thomas Sowell
Finally Echo overcomes his modesty and recognizes himself as Der UberTuber, or more properly classified as the apex of Homo sapiens youtuberus.
Breadtubers are always first to defend corporate slop
Rogue excrements is slop though
The Drinker is a capable critic with highly sophisticated language and humor, which makes him fun. However, he's surfing a wave, criticizing the woke mentally ill. As marxism usually does, industries are destroyed because of them.... and now the industries are turning on woke.... which begs the question.... how long will the critical drinker still be relevant, coz I doubt if the industry is cleaned up from the mentally ill marxists, that he will still have the same attraction to the audience.
The funny thing is, can you really call The Drinker a typical conservative? He speaks out against progressive authoritarianism, but I hardly call him a conservative simply because he has common sense.
Today, if you do not bow before the authorites (usually called "the experts") in academia, economics, politics, etc. then that is sufficient for progressives to label you conservative.
Ultimately, it reveals the deeper motivation of progressives...they are not opposed to systems of oppression....they are just resentful that they were not at the tops of those hierarchies. The minute they achieve some status and power within such a system, they become not just receptive...but fully supportive.
In pop culture, their concept of gatekeeping is the most obvious. They railed against gatekeeping for years. But the minute they had the power to gatekeep they relished it and used it.
I'd say he's "center-right" or a right-leaning moderate, honestly.
@@LRich-hg3hu Yup - that's how the commies are. Every, Single. Time. It's all about jealousy.
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That's fair and accurate. I wouldn't call him a classical liberal in the sense that I'd call TLP or Echo. More like a right-leaning libertarian type personality.
This. At a stretch I'd be willing to call him right-wing adjacent but he certainly hasn't signalled that he's a conservative, especially when he's praised films like Furiosa which would appear to be woke on its face.
The Left attacked Joe Rogan for the same thing despite the fact that Rogan is a libertarian. The left thinks that anybody who isn't a vociferous liberal is MAGA.
11:50 I would respectfully contend that conservatives are simply less receptive to NEW aesthetics (or those of out-groups), preferring a narrower range of (traditional) aesthetics of their own culture. This could be considered deeper depending on what qualifies as depth in the discussion.
if that spew means we don't like ugly, then you are correct.
I'd say this is both true and untrue.
I'd say conservatives look at things a bit more objectively, and have a finer eye for what works and doesn't work about things. While liberals are often more creative and imaginative, able to set new trends and make new formats in culture and entertainment, conservatives can look at things and tell you with decent accuracy how long said trend/format of something will last, and give constructive insight into how to fine tune it. Not that they're not receptive to new aesthetics. Just that they get less swept up in them.
@@jwmorse5221 I'm a free-market closed-border boy and I don't take kindly to no fancy kiwi liberals claiming the aesthetic high ground without a fight.
@@jwmorse5221 Well, whatever I replied to you, TH-cam decided no one needed to see.
Conservatives are sick of watching Marxists destroy film frachises and classic movies, or black wash things
We don't need scholars to tell us what entertainment is good and what entertainment is bad. 99% of media critics on 'reputable' media like Variety/Deadline and so on are bootlickers for studios so long as their politics align and they're not even half as entertaining even if people politically agreed with them which they mostly don't.
People can like what they like but it irks me so much that this fella you pointed out weaves his politics entirely into his video (late capitalism critque zzzz) yet he criticises the Critical Drinker for doing the same from an objective/neutral point of view (the conservatives have Breitbart for actual conservative coverage).
Likewise, we do not need a chemist to do expensive tests on poop to determine that it is indeed poop.
We don't really need anyone to tell us what entertainment is good or what entertainment is bad we should be doing that by ourselves.
Some of us consider our time more valuable than entertainment. If the reviewer saves me time, he serves his purpose.
"Academics" view all art as propaganda, so when they are telling you want to watch and what to avoid, they're basically telling you to consume their propaganda instead of the other's propaganda. That is why pillar of garbage brought up a marxist academic to his video to tell people that "conservative propaganda bad, marxist propaganda good."
If you value your time over entertainment then why are you even seeking entertainment in the first place? @@diemes5463
Pillar of Garbage is the real life version of the arrogant guy in the bar in Good Will Hunting.
Chuckie: “My contention is that prior to the revolutionary war, the economic modalities, especially in the southern colonies, could most aptly be characterized as agrarian pre-capital.”
Will: “Of course that’s your contention, you’re a first year grad student, you just got finished reading some Marxian historian.”
Pillar of Garbage and the rest of the Breadtubers are true believers. I used to hate watch them until realizing they were a complete waste of time.
I know little of Jamison, except that he was a literary critic who, even in 1981, clung to Marxism as the primary lens for understanding society-an approach that, by then, should have been dismissed from rigorous academic discourse but was, unfortunately, at the vanguard of the ideological capture of the university. As is often the case with Marxist writers, his works are no doubt bloated half-again longer than need be with pretentious prose, obfuscating meaning through a tedious deluge of neo-Marxist jargon (as you have demonstrated in this video). So my immediate reaction to anyone citing someone like Jamison would be my favorite schoolyard retort: 'Heck off, commie.'"
As someone once pointed out, literary criticism is where dead theories go to have a sort of eternal twilight undeath. Long after Freudianism or Marxism or Rousseau's Noble Savage have been exploded as nonsense in their originating fields, you will still find shelves of books by English professors using them as though they were still perfectly applicable.
"Pillar of Garbage?" Appropriate name, I suppose.
At least his name is fitting
5:15 When the title of a book sounds like something generated by the Post-Modern Essay Generator, you know it's Marxist.
I was on this POG thread.... comment after comment trashing the Drinker and he'd put his little "love heart" of approval. One such was someone rubbishing the Drinker's take on "Prey" on the grounds he knew nothing of native American culture (there were female warriors, hunters & shamen, but Drinker supposedly denied this). I left a comment to invite the commenter's expertise. Acknowledged they weren't an expert themselves, but they'd studied in college. My comment in response was TWICE removed by POG. That comment was to advise a Lakota adoptee had been gently educating me for 30 years. I agreed 100% with their position regarding Comanche culture, but advised this was NOT the Drinker's take. In term of story, his critique was directed at the lazy writing that had the protagonist just leave the village on a quest that tribal elders had not approved, which would NEVER happen. Better writing would have explained why she was a rebel and outlier in a culture that did have female warriors etc AND show the discussion with a tribal elder that would have permitted her to engage in a dangerous quest. I encouraged the commenter to revisit the Drinker's review with this in mind and concluded by saying the Drinker's review would have had more of his viewers go and see "Prey" rather than not because, despite it's numerous flaws, he said it was worth the time and money to see it. Can you tell me why POG would have removed my response and made ME look like a know-nothing loudmouth coward?
Rogue Elements was pitched to backers as a short film not a proof of concept.
It was a short film
...and then it expanded into a TV show PoC as a stretch goal
which was reached and hence...
@@arafat2924that wasn't mentioned at all that I could find. The Kickstarter page is still up. Pillar of Garbage was right. They slapped the proof of concept on there after the product came out meh.
@@arafat2924 its still trash 😂😂you can criticize pillar without defending that slop
@@alo2x1 please note that my response did not include any allusion as to the film's quality
so I don't understand how you read it as a "defence"
Pillar of garbage is well named. He talks rubbish. I despise disingenuous strawmen "arguments".
PoG is an exemplar for hard-left types whose ideology masks their judgement and reason. Ideologues rarely produce work of any merit.
Competing critic condemns colleague's ceaseless critiques, claiming constant carping corrupts constructive conversation. Charming.
Cool comment.
As my wrestling coach in college said, "You can never be attacked by a weaker man, only inconvenienced for a bit." 😂
Excellent work, Sir
2:04 Pillar of Garbage isn't Critical Drinker's worst enemy. Whoever gave him that haircut is his worst enemy!
Three minutes in, for all the tropes and such being called out, yeah, I get it. Some of it was pretty lame. Could've been written better. But people don't understand how budgets influence the story and writing. Drinker has stated multiple times that this was a crowdfunded project and as much as he had ideas for grand set pieces and shenanigans, they had to be scaled down. Not to say there weren't better ways of going about it, especially in the writing. But they did a solid job with the resources afforded to them.
And secondly, DRINKER'S MOVIE does more for representation and realism than current-day Hollywood. One of the biggest criticisms I've seen is "Lead actor sounds like a clown, not a leading man". Wtf, that's how people talk in the UK. Also, Ryan Drake ISN'T an action hero, but a British SAS soldier. I thought the action was neat.
Its similar to Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher. He didn't fit the role in one way, but he nailed the character in every other way.
Given that it was the Drinker's project, I had expected the Drinker to have a tight script tailored to the resources. Instead the script contained many an unforced error. Those wouldn't be so annoying, if the Drinker had taken his own work apart like he does other works and explained how it might have been conceived differently but budget constraints forced a re-write on the fly.
As it stands, it turned me off from buying his books (which I was considering to do).
Mr. Garbage shows why critics like him cannot resonate with audiences not even when doing a trashing video about a lame short film. And it could have been that simple as this Roque Elements Shortfilm really was not that good.
I couldn't even finish it as I simple was bored after half of the film. Every character looked the same, talked the same and nobody was likeable or at least interresting. There was no pinch of humor in. And as I was not interrested in the characters, and I don't even know any name of them, there also was no reason to get excited about anything happened in the 10 min. I watched. Finally, it was a forgetteable composition in 100 shades of grey.
But instead of highlighting the flaws of the shortfilm, PoG goes full into politics and some weird theory why conservatives cannot do art. Which is stupid as there are lots of great Books, Artpieces, Movies that were made by people that would be considered as politically conservative.
I have not seen the short film the Critical Drinker has made but for a small film production to be produced it requires a lot of work, organisation and money as well as working through unforeseen problems. It is always best to be constructive so that the next one is better whomever it is. No one is born a filmmaker, but can become so with practice and wisdom.
As a fellow liberal who prefers to hang out with the drinker, efap, and FNT crowds, I found your video a lot of fun. Subscribed, I did.
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around …….
With this video you've gained 2500 xp, + 5 endurance, 500 skill xp and a savage 10000 xp in sarcasm.
The critical drinker has started critiquing programs he hasn’t watched and games he hasn’t played. As a critic, yall gotta hold him accountable for that.
People who gravitate towards the past do so because it is a sure thing.
"It is the intelligent, receptive, oh so clever wallflower with no dance partner, watching the dance."
I do not know if I need to say this.. but I want to. I love your channel and the critical drinker's channel. There, I've said it.❤
Interesting to hear the Drinker called a "Conservative" when Will is actually careful not to identify politically, and is in fact hard to quantify at that level.
Tall Poppy of Garbage perhaps?
You do realize Drinker was on Piers Morgan’s show last month defending Donald Trump, right?
@@B1G_WENGHhe was also on Ben Shapiro and recently started complaining about how we need to say “merry Christmas.” I’m guessing he knows his centrist facade is waning and he’s leaning right into conservatism.
Drinker’s books and his film are for unthinking morons, but this has been a perfectly acceptable field for centuries, oh no, it’s pulp. Pulp is a valid medium. Not for me, but then I enjoy his critiques. I didn’t understand the whole shoehorning of “conservatism” into POG’s video and his comments. As if everyone has to have a political leaning by saying the Acolyte is shit
So his books are perfect for you!
They are hell bent on throwing Drinker into a category that will allow their supporters to dismiss everything he has to say. I am quite sure CD is a centrist, he doesn't talk much about his politics. Just because you hate commies, doesn't make you 'fair right'. For a normal, logical human being, that is. But for them... If you are against them, you will immediately be labelled as their polar opposite.
But let's not forget - they are the open, loving and accepting ones.
Mostly agree, but please don't give me that snobbery about pulp novels. I've read both the Iliad and Mickey Spillane and my question is this: why the hell can't I enjoy both?
There is a difference between good pulp and bad pulp though.
@@AnuragKharvi No one said you can't. Artistry and enjoyment are two separate metrics that don't need to-and often don't- correlate.
Yes being a critic is a different skill set. But proof of concept doesn't excuse the overuse of tired tropes that Drinker so despises. He just doesn't seem to have much writing talent. And that's okay. Nobody expects sports commentators to be good athletes either.
It was perhaps a mistake to adapt parts of his first novel for the short film. The critic and creator he is now is decades removed from the writer he was when that novel was conceived. It will inherently be his roughest work, and will have tropes and clichés, because part of the education in writing and developing the ability to spot clichés and bad execution is realising you're doing it yourself.
Once you've seen it in your own work and realise how they can be avoided, you spot it as a critic very easily and that gets frustrating, because Hollywood writers who sell scripts for 100k+ should have a better handle on their craft than a first time novelist.
We still don't know if the book is good or not. What we have seen is that it might be relative conventionally and that it might lack that pinch of humor and fun that makes good genre stories.
@@captbuckyohare5585 Dude even then it's abysmal. Watch it. There are many first drafts that are way better. Drinker is not a good writer.
"screen writing talent" might be better than "writing talent" here, as he can write good books, and has done so.
Possibly I've missed it in his criticisms, but I've never heard Critical Drinker condemn the use of tropes. In fact, I always took him as arguing *for* the use of tropes.
His argument more landed on the criticism that the modern tropes (Though being used and overused they are hardly modern anymore) simply do not work well.
I say this as someone who has spent decades studying philosophy - before university, in university, and after university.
The best heuristic I can offer anyone even tangentially interested in philosophy (politics, aesthetics, etc.) is this:
*If someone cites a French philosopher, ignore them.*
Why?
@@howdoyoudo5949 Err....don't you mean 'Pourquoi?'
@@howdoyoudo5949 Because they are french and pdf files.
This headline should win a prize. The winner of this conflict is built into it. That's all I have. I'm going away now.
The thing about academic criticism of popular culture is that I can listen to it, understand it and possibly even agree with it, yet it does nothing to change the way I feel about something I like or dislike. Most criticism is largely subjective as are our feelings. I find it enjoyable when I find someone who can articulate what I am feeling better than I can. However, that also doesn’t mean I necessarily have to or will agree with all of that individual’s takes. For example, the Drinker heavily criticised Blade Runner 2049 but when I eventually watched it I found I disagreed with most points made and enjoyed the film. The point of people like the Drinker is that they are far more in touch with the Everyman than high minded academics are.
High minded academics tend to not be very funny. And I find some of Drinker's critiques hilarious, especially his inappropriate jokes. I have been watching him mostly for my dose of humour, since comedy is dead these days.
@@agiksf.8998 Yeah spot on there, also admit most of the videos I watch are for the movies I'll probably never see myself like Wicked or anything Marvel is putting out now.
you can still subjectively enjoy something while agreeing with why someone doesn't like it or not think the film is good on its own separate from you
@@Galvatronoverabsolutely.
I think part of the problem for Drinker is the "quantity vs. quality" dilemma.
As a TH-camr, McDonald's level quality, done over a consistent release schedule, trumps anyone who might turn out a two Michelin star quality video done every 6 months or more.
Is he redundant across many of his videos? Yes. Are they still true and good enough? Also yes.
I literally watch 8 or 9 different TH-camrs who are essentially saying the same thing over and over again. It's entertaining and I'm only half paying attention. I'm not looking for art in a podcast.
Unfortunately, rogue elements has given hacks a metaphorical knife to stick into critical drinker.
"there are no bad tactics only bad targets," amirite, comrade PoG?
Just having the TVNZ Kiwi and Cat end of broadcast for the day cartoon gets you a new subscriber in myself good sir. Also great vid!
Oh, I have a script responding to Pillar Of Garbage... Among other things.
I enjoy Drinker's videos. His media persona is snarky, witty, eloquent (for someone inebriated) and unapologetic. Still there is a lot of truth in what he's saying about media today. You could compare him to a real educated court jester (there were two types - omagine my shock when I learned this). You could also compare him to a canary in a coal mine. I know it's a tired comparison but still it's accurate. And I love what Drinker, Nerdrotic and many others (including you) are saying: they would love to have more movies/TV series that are well crafted.
“I am smarter and better at TH-cam than Drinker even though I get less views, I am less relevant, and produce uninteresting videos. (Soyface)”
- Pillar of Garbage
Pillar of Garbage (apt name) made a video about slop content, but the video was over 30 minutes, had a sponsored ad, and repeated the same points over and over, so essentially it was slop content criticizing slop content. He's an oaf that should be mocked relentlessly. He also sperged out on people in the comments rightfully calling him out.
When you are the #1, everyone is going to try taking you down. Pillar is far from the only one. Look how comicsgate alum Ya Boi Zack has spent the last six months going on daily rants against Critical Drinker...
Ya soy Zack…..such a waste
“If you come for the king you better not miss”
- Charles Barkley
It’s a tie between echo and the despot for the ideal.
No! Despot reigns above us all.
Pillar of Garbage. The guy that defended Kenobi and Rings of Power. Sure. That guy.
I hear before the "He made a bad thing so he is no one to criticize media".
Yes, and Stephen King is a amazing writer and his opinions on movies are garbage.
Normally is the people that core problem they have is that the the critic is conservative or far right.
Im in the far left amd still watch Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic necause I like their criticism. I sont agree with their politics, but I dont watch them for that, I watch them to hear about movies, so I dont care.
And funny enough, I do it because 90% of critics from the left, are like Stuckman (You cant make negative comments because people work in the movie!!) or they just care more of the politics behind the movie.
It's less that he made a bad thing so he is no one to criticize media so much as he wrote a bad story that does the exact things he criticizes other movies for. It's stunning to me that you apparently missed that hypocrisy. For example, writing the movie, he didn't need to write in a woman who kicks the asses of men much larger than her and saves the hero. Yet he did. That's not something that relies on how good or bad the film turned out. It's something that he specifically calls out in films that he's bothered by. He wrote a plot wherein he proves himself to be a hypocrite. You can't complain constantly about a thing and then, when you have total control over the thing, do the same thing.
The orangutan driving the golf cart really helped Echo thank you!
The dude is obviously obsessed with the Drinker, Nerdrotic, and the Friday Night Tights gang, I scrolled through his channel and found at least five or six videos about them in the first ten rows.
Echo Chamberlain has done it again. This was a work of art. Nicely done. I dare say, you are also a cool dude.
What an excellent take down. Let Pillar of Garbage make his own fiction video. And thank you for pointing out that Liberals like you find common cause with common-sense conservatives like the Drinker. Pillar sounds like a guy marching in lock-step with the Message.
It's always lovely to hear from one of my favourite New Zealanders. Thank you, good sir.
Ah pillar of garbage started with some pretty based Marvel animation recaps now he's just become rabid on politics and yaps better TH-camrs.
Your videos make me think. Please keep it up.
I use to watch pillar of garbage's videos on the avengers earth mightiest heros show. Those were honestly his best work and led me to believe he was a quality critic. But i suppose its easy to praise a work that is actually you know....good. but his other takes were so below the belt that it made me regret liking his first videos on that cartoon. Honestly if he just spent his time hamming up the pretentiousness into a character that he is aware doesn't reflect how his audience normally is, i think that could be sort of funny. But that requires being a good sport, being respectful of other critics and views you don't agree with and the tact to pull it off. All of which pillar of garbage doesn't have
Drinker ain't a film director and he didn't have final say on the dialogue, nor casting. So this argument from Pillars has no value.