"Bugging out is absolutely last resort." Unless you have a Hazmat railroad spill in your small town. Then you should bug out to a nice hotel in the next town.
I agree. I do not plan on bugging out. But I the event of a fire or tornado, I will be forced to bug out. Luckily I have sporadic cashes in various locales. But I intend to not bug out. However I will not set in my house while it burns down around me.
@@yetisuncle666 "But I the event of a fire or tornado, I will be forced to bug out. Luckily I have sporadic cashes in various locales." Caches for what? Just go to a hotel or your parent's/in-laws/sibling house.
In all likelihood, the most realistic bug-out scenario to prepare for is a fire/hurricane/earthquake or some other natural disaster that requires you evacuate from your home.
True most will bug in. Bugging in should be everyone’s primary plan. There are two scenarios of bugging out; one is you are away from your primary and need to get there. In which case you are bugging out to get home. The scenario is when the primary fails and now you are bugging out. So initially 100% of us should have a primary which typically is where you live.
Was in Sri Lanka last year when SHTF. No gas, rolling blackouts, Pharmaceuticals ran out……my choice was to bug in for a week. During that time the hordes of people protesting made bugging out to the airport impossible. As for my gear….carrying a pack only drew attention. So I ditched everything except sensitive items and arrived to my safe location with the clothing on me and small day pack. Bugging out is the last resort. JM Alaska
Vast majority of people should be hunkering down instead of bugging out. This is why community building is important. No one wants to take the time to get to know their neighbors anymore. Everyone would rather run away.
I only know a couple people who could survive outside. I’m not one of them so I’m not bugging out. Our small town of mostly like minded stand the best chance of survival together.
Great points. My BOB is meant to support an exfil in the event of “natural” disasters, where some degree of normalcy WILL return in MAX a few weeks. You do “solo” or with a “team” bug out in the “catastrophic” scenario- you’re very much a sitting duck regardless of your tactical or medical training. If you (or team members) get seriously injured out there- you are now slower, less eyes with a new member to protect/sheild. There is no air support or medevacs coming.
I like that your helping many preppers come to grips with reality on so many aspects of prepping and "Bugging out" and how much one can realistically carry. Since the overwhelming majority of preppers arent Active Duty Infantry with 12, 20, 40 mile rucking skills, and many if not most may be Vets, the reality of 'Your not in the military anymore, there is no NO RESUPPLY of Food, Water, Ammo' anymore coupled with the fact that 99.9% of us CANNOT carry a 100-150 pack on foot anymore for Months on end needs to be faced. There are gonna be some tough choices on loadouts for any bags. Water purification/storage over ammo, Chest Rigs over Plate Carriers, Concentrated Emergency High Calorie Rations over MREs to get buy when Hunting Gathering is dry. Any Real long term SHTF scenario is gonna be the worst kind of SuckFest any of us have ever faced. There is NO Romance in that. Just hard days and choices.
As a husband & a father of two after watching this video… I’m facing the hard reality that they will probably get me killed if things go completely off the rails. 😔
For sure. I’ve tried to talk to them about it but they just don’t see a need to store a bit of food, they might have 10 days worth if they stretch it. They think their swimming pool is an asset for drinking water but I’ve got good water stored and other sources.
😂 i’m on the same boat got 3 girls 1 of them is like me no fear and the other two took their mom side. they would jump off a cliff if they see a ant walk by them. i remember when one fly flew in the house. shit i thought intruders got in the house by the sound of the screams and people running all over the house. come down stairs they’re all cuddled in the corner crying. i asked what happened they said there’s a bug flying.
On hunting, I became aware of how fragile civilization can be during the Cuban Missile Crisis when I was just five. My father was in the USAF and assigned to Spangdahlem and the dependent families were ordered to wear their dog tags and have their single packed suitcase per person with them when they spend their nights sleeping in the base housing fallout shelters. I recall my blood being drawn from a finger so that my blood type could be stamped on my dog tag two years prior. Non-combatant Evacuation Operations are SNAFU. With this background and being taught how to hunt by my father, I realized a lot of things. First, a disaster such as nuclear war was going to impact the wildlife that I might hunt. I witnessed a controlled burn--a forest fire. The day before there had been squirrels and birds and other tasty animals. After the fire, there were a few charred dead animals but the birds and squirrels were noticeable by their absence. A single snake took up residence in my yard until the snake was eliminated--and then wildlife ceased to exist. Second, we starving humans will drive off or kill off all edible animals in a short time. As an illiterate young lad in West Germany, the old folks talked about how during and after the two World Wars there was no deer or rabbit left because those had been eaten. A thousand people don't have to be GOOD hunters to strip the wilderness of all edible animals--and plants--just a lot of them going out and hunting or gathering will get the job done due to the sheer number. Either they'll actually catch and kill all the rabbits or the surviving rabbits will have fled. It is entirely possible that the old folks were telling me how they had to walk thirty kilometers uphill both ways through August snow storms twice daily to attend school, so when I did learn to read and write and access information I looked up the wildlife management programs and researched how frontiersmen and the Indians managed to feed themselves in a howling wilderness. There's good reason why agriculture and animal husbandry exists. Third, you mentioned that ammunition has weight. I'm a range safety officer at my county's public rifle range and I'm in the process of getting official NRA certification as an instructor, plus in the military I handled ammunition as one of my duties. Five thousand rounds of .22 LR weighed 40 pounds, if I remember the shipping documents. I'm not going to be accurate in describing the heavy-duty cardboard shipping package as "the size of a bread box." I could only fit 4800 of those in a metal ammo can that had once held 800 linked 5.56mm rounds in M249 magazines. Audie Murphy would have thought himself wealthy beyond measure if I time travelled to Texas and gave him that can of 4800 .22 cartridges during the Depression Era--poor boys didn't get that much ammo because of poverty. The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is compact and light weight compared to big game centerfire cartridges or shotgun ammunition. I learned to appreciate lightweight ammunition and to conserve my shots, but even so, a supply of just 100 CCI MiniMag 36 grain hollow point cartridges sealed in a 1"x2"x6" plastic box (approximate measurements) was 13 ounces on my food scale. I might shave an ounce off the weight by repacking the ammo in a plastic baggie and make the dimensions more flexible, but ammo still has mass and bulk. Once I have the meat, I need to prepare it for consumption. Subsistence hunters in the past would often drink the blood of their prey and then gobble down the still-warm livers raw--they had built up a resistance to most of the diseases in their area, and if not, then the hunter died. Small animals can be eaten in one meal by one person. A large animal will have leftovers. Dead animals smell and attract both [predators and scavengers. When hunting or on military exercises or even when working as a security guard I'd pay attention to what the non-human animals were doing. A flock of crows drew my attention because there was a reason for their presence and that reason was often roadkill. Once "dinner" was dead, it has to be field dressed at the very least, parted out for portability, and that creates mess. Cooking is another layer of operational compromise. One advantage of pre-packaged rations is being able to feed with a minimum of smell, light, visible smoke, and residue. Nature will quickly reduce roadkill to a stain on the ground with fur, bones and feathers marking the spot. What do we careless and messy humans leave behind? Cooking involves heat and appliances, even if the "appliance" is little more than a stick to hang meat over a pile of hot coals. Could also just try drying the meat while chasing off hungry critters ranging in size from gnats to bears. We humans don't see bacteria and "out of sight is out of mind." Humans are the most dangerous predatory scavenger on the planet. Cook up a savory stew and under emergency conditions you'll be able to take an accurate census of every human in the neighborhood--if they don't shoot you or mob you and take that stew for their dinner. Back to ammunition weight--how many shots can you spare to save dinner? Storing what's left can be a problem for people used to storing their peanut butter in the fridge. I had a great deal of difficulty explaining the difference between Type A rations and Type B rations to Americans who always have a refrigerator. Explaining C-rations (the MRE is a C-ration) is usually a waste of time. When I read "Alas Babylon" (1959 by Pat Frank) I was still in high school but had camped out in excess of thirty days at a time. The protagonists "bugged in" at their homes in a rural area. One man filled his freezer with food--when a nuclear strike eliminated the electrical power plant, he suddenly was faced with a freezer full of meat and ice cream thawing out and beginning to rot. As a know-it-all high school brat, I wondered how a Korean War infantry officer had made that error--being without electricity and living out of a field pack isn't easy even with almost reliable daily resupply. Once I've harvested plant and animals in excess of the next meal, where do I store it, how do I carry it, and what measures do I take to limit my food rotting? One popular Old School measure was to eat as much as possible so that the food went to waist instead of going to waste. That's how wild animals survive from meal to meal--eat as much as possible. Bears and big cats might stash a partially eaten carcass for later. Some hoarding animals hide food gathered in times of plenty and visit their caches when food is hard to find--they don't have to carry all of their food at all times. Dried meat, pemmican, even canning are possible but require supplies and time and expertise. All of these things and more are considerations for bugging out. Once at the safe haven, these issues remain. I'm looking forward to your other presentations on these topics. I make it a point to learn something every day, even when I'm merely re-learning something I've forgotten.
I admit I have a Rush 72 as part of my bugout kit, but it is the first aid kit, I also have an IFAK with it that is separate. I also know the area and my and my families abilities enough to know I won't be bugging out on foot, I just live to far away from anywhere that would be a good bugout location. If it isn't by car I am probably going to die at my house. Great video, got to keep it real!
Nailed it! I’ve been arguing many of these same points all along. No matter what you do, it boils down to a man-portable system. Learn to make do with as little gear as you can. Our bug out-bag is an enormous duffle that is ready to go, knowing full well the majority of it will be left behind. Don’t know what season or situations will be present at hour zero, but I’ll not fuck us for lack of planning!
Bravo Zulu! I'm with you 100%. Having spent twenty two years on active duty, and now retired I cannot help but giggle as well as cringe when I read the stories of people who THINK they have it all figured out regarding the "Bug Out". At times it is actually painful to listen to the scenario some explain about their bug out plan. The friends I have who have never served are especially fun to deal with as they gleen most of their knowledge from..... You guessed it. The internet!! While there are valuable sources such as you, many You tube warriors leave much off the table. I learned many things in my twenty two years on active duty. The two best lessons are; Murphy's Law is ALWAYS in effect, and NO plan lasts longer than first contact. I believe it was Mike Tyson who said, "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face". Keep the knowledge transfer coming.
Was a very high percentage of the people who cannot accept the truth when they hear it or see it. Some say the truth hurts. Reality can be a real kick thanks man stay safe
I think most people interested in the notion of bugging anywhere should take a hard look at backcountry hunters. Most people will be humbled, quickly, by the loads involved and by the pricetags. Setting up to comfortably carry large loads across long distances is pain, physically and financially. And this is without factoring in armor, which I'd argue is almost mutually exclusive with the best hunting packs that would most comfortably carry that weight.
Yep. Ammo and water are the heaviest things you'll be carrying. So, probably the most critical things to sort out before hand. Also, the watering holes are where animals and people go to the bathroom. Don't drink the poop water, fellas.
The one thing about bugging out now in 2023 is all the land is "owned". you're more than likely to run across private property and then get shot at for trespassing.
If you live in the western USA the owner may be Uncle Sam. Nevada is something like 90% government land and then 20% owned or leased by Big Business and more owned/controlled by the State of Nevada. Yes, the ownership adds up to more than 100% and that is because the same piece of real estate can be owned by multiple entities. First, there were railroad grants and the mining companies. Then there were homesteaders and incorporated cities--when first erected, dirt floors and canvas roofs were the starting point of Virginia City, Carson City, Reno, and yes, the mighty modern metropolis of Las Vegas was a sleepy Mormon farming village located along the railroad line. Your point about all the land being "owned" is an understatement. During a crisis, squatters rights will prevail as long as the squatters have more firepower. Nevada was never a wilderness with no humans who claimed ownership. Even the "uninhabited" Forty Mile Desert about 15 miles north of Fallon was claimed by people.
Surprised surplus didn't come up. Bought a ILBE for $150 a couple years back, and recently picked up a FILBE 3 day assault pack for $50. Both will outlast most anything else and are a fraction of the cost of tacticool brands and ultra lightweight backpacking stuff. I agree, people's minds usually go to the woods when they hear "bugging out" but that likely won't be the case as bugging out usually is an absolute last resort. It could mean quickly moving to the next town over due to natural disaster (flood, wildfire, chemical explosion, tornado, etc.). I consider my bugout bag(s) to be short term solutions with absolute necessities to get through a few days of travel or uncertainty as good people will likely stick together and work towards a solution in times of peril. Like you mentioned, the whole mentality of hiding in the woods alone and surviving is kind of ridiculous. Fun series!
So I’m guess my fanny pack full of 5.56 and peanut butter isn’t going to cut it 😂. Really I just gotta hope I live far enough out we don’t have to leave. I’ve got a kids so it’s pretty much impossible I do have a few grab bags ready but definitely the house would have to be destroyed before that’s an option
Bugging out should be an absolute last resort! If you do bug out either on foot or vehicle you are now placing a easier target on your back. Your house is your place of comfort, it’s where you have everything you need first of all. Second you have shelter, food water etc all at your finger tips! If you “bug out” you will be limited to weight capacity, food carrying limits, water carrying limits even with water filters you need water on hand at all times. You’re better off starting or having a MAG group or if bugging out travel in convoy at the first notice of news or information provided granted it’s 100% reliable to another location way before things get worse. If bugging out you will be limited to ammo/magazine capacity there is no resupply! There’s so much more at play if you plan to bug out!
Just remember a house can be surrounded and or set a blaze with you inside. While it is a safe place initially it can change rapidly and become a tomb depending on the situation.
Honestly, im doing EVERYTHING i have to, to bug "IN". I really dont want to be a glorified refugee. Thats why i have a "get home" bag in my vehicle. Much more practical than a bug out bag. But yes, information and training are SUPER ESSENTIAL for survival in a shtf environment. Great info!
I learned about 15 years ago, in prepping my (then) "bug out bag," that there IS no "bugging out." You can never carry enough, and where are you going to go that doesn't make you and your family vulnerable targets? Conclusion: *There is ONLY "fighting for your home..."* So now, my "bug out bag" has become my LBV with fighting essentials--
All very good points of what not to do, I’m sure the next vid will be good too! In most scenarios “bugging out” doesn’t seem like a good option to me but a regular 1-3 day camping/hiking setup should cover the same items outside of ammo(I can’t make myself spend the money for 5 different complete preloaded packs, hunting/day hike/longer term camping/get home/assault…primary goes in lightweight pouches that can be swapped from pack to pack when/if needed). A get home-ish pack should have a degree of all the “primary” NEEDS that would go in any pack besides an assault pack(an assault pack would be more focused on fighting/evading/moving fast hence the name). Like you said knowledge/training/experience/pre-planning is the most important…point being it would be nice if you’d do an “opposite” series on what ppl should do. Don’t get me wrong I like you busting chops over ppl doing stupid shit lol but teaching ppl the “right” way is arguably more valuable/important.
For me, for a long time, a "bug out bag" was a pocketknife, a Bic lighter and/or book of paper matches, and a disposable poncho or large trash bag in a pocket. Poverty and limits on what I could legally possess limited me. I added a flashlight with a spare set of batteries as soon as I could and when possible, I had the means to acquire and treat water. Iodine tablets weren't much comfort though when the possibility of my ship sinking would leave me trying to stay afloat on a salty sea, immersed in water but not a drop to drink. Besides, under those conditions, breathing was a struggle and being in that cold, cold water quickly sapped all vitality. Lucky me--that ship is still floating a half century after I spent eight months as part of her crew--though there was some excitement when part of the ship caught fire. The most important part of any bug-out bag is your attitude and then your knowledge and skills.
@billyflinn619 you're not wrong, initially.... but houses can be surrounded and set a blaze with you inside if the wrong people find out you're there. Just food for thought, situations can change drastically very fast.
@@sa1911a1 I get it. But if you let someone find out you’re there, that’s ultimately a you problem. Be better about not being made. In situation where this would be an issue, it would be best to keep a very low profile.
@@Barrett619 I'm with you but that's much easier said than done in many situations. You have to be flexible in ever evolving situations. You have to weight the risk factor vs reward on somethings. Humans can be extremely selfish and cruel when they need want / something and Houses are usually easy plunder unless they're defended, again risk vs reward on both sides there.
Bugging out is an absolute last resort. The roads are unusable, your house is gone, the utilities have been out for a long time. The government has failed. The financial system has failed. Otherwise you should be bugging in. I have rucked with armor, a heavy pack and a rifle. I also know the type of equipment you're talking about generally comes with a team of men and support. You can't use a standard military equipment system when you're alone or with just one partner. You do need a hybrid system including elements from lightweight backpacking and bushcraft in addition to military equipment. Some items should be rugged and military equipment works good in that case. Some items should be lightweight and backpacking gear works best for that. Some things facilitate long term survival and bushcraft gear does the trick for things like building a decent shelter or making the tools you'll need. If you've trained enough and can handle the weight, you can carry some very useful items. A do everything pot that's hard to destroy is better than a light weight mess kit and trying to carry a dozen little things that will wear out trying to do the same job. A collection of preserved heirloom seeds will help you feed yourself and remain sane. Maps are a must but you may need paper and some drawing tools to make your own map. A Bible goes in my bag. Remember the rule: two is one and one is none. I find a machete more useful and durable than an axe but you'll need a file and sharpening stone to keep it working. A block of wax can seal wood tools, waterproof fabrics and preserve chordage made from the landscape. A bow string can make the difference between making a usable bow or not. Pain killers can make you comfortable but Benadryl and Epinephrine can save your life. Knowledge should include: hunting for game you would actually want to eat, shelter building, foraging and knowing what you can safely eat including plants and mushrooms if it suits you, procuring water, finding direction, tool making, medicine in the wild, and all the basics like washing yourself and your gear, where to make your bathroom, and how to grow food. You should really be prepared to make your home a stronghold and keep that position as long as possible. If you think your location is going to become unsafe in an extended grid down situation, you should think about changing that while it's still possible.
Living in SE TN, I'd love to see someone (who hasn't trained) to carry 130lb bag in the summer or with a family. Some people don't plan ahead. The hunting & trapping remark got me laughing.😂
I have an eberlestock Operator Pack for bugging out but I have an 5.11 Amp 72 as a get home bag... This video has me contemplating my choice of my get home bag.
bug in. if shit gets to the point you have to leave, hopefully you have a plan for motor power mobility. rucking fucking sucks and you will tire out to the point where even the smallest tasks become a big deal. motor power mobility also extends your options.
Great feedback. Real talk, what we “NEED” to do is begin coming together and STOP allowing others to divide our country. We are United States citizens and thanks to God giving us the technology that exists, we don’t have to live in the woods. Sure, other countries are going through, and yes will will too if we continue to allow EXTREMISTS groups and the government to divide the country. Understand that we need a government to govern the country. It was Europeans that had issues with the government, left England, found land that was ALREADY found by Native Americans but those Europeans invaded, terrorized, and stole. Now in 2023 we have DOMESTIC TERRORISM / Extremists that have issues with the government and divide the country. It’s happening ALL OVER. We’re supposed to learn from our mistakes. Citizens of America, we don’t have to “bug out” anywhere. This is our country unless we allow another country to invade us like we see in other countries. We need to put God first and STOP trying to do things our way. He’s already laid out a plan and given us directions. God created us all so we should STOP the nonsense. I have 2 bug out bags (wisdom) and only because I have no idea when “American Citizens” will turn on their own. Wake up EVERYONE. Color / Race / Culture is NOT and issue for me. I may not even agree with our government but I follow the rules. A country with no rules, laws, or spiritual aspect is doomed to fail. Love Jesus first, then love America
Talking about food, try this. Eat a early and light dinner no breakfast ,no lunch work a day. See how exhausted , slow and how clear and fast can you think? Keep it real Be safe
Been there, done that. When I was working as an anti-terrorist security officer in the Middle East during Ramadan, the dawn to dusk fasting included no water. I was working with Islamic security personnel, and they must have thought me insane because I did my foot and motor patrols as normal without food and drink during that entire 40-day period at least twice. It is amazing how much someone can accomplish when necessity forces them to.
I have a bag, but it’s what I take with me when I’m away if I need to get home. I would never bug out. If it’s bad enough that I’m gonna be overrun in my house, I’d rather be dead anyway
Sleeping in a gas mask? Been there, done that. Fortunately, no poison gas. They're all dead now, but veterans of the Western Front trenches of World War One had something to say about that. Gas mask filters get clogged, moisture from respiration and perspiration gets everywhere in the mask. While on exercise in West Germany during the Cold War I shocked my platoon sergeant during a simulated gas attack--I hadn't slept in 40 hours and had three or four hours that I could nap except for that gas drill. So I went to MOPP2 and crawled in my sleeping bag, donned my gloves and positioned my mask where I could reach it. One minute I closed my eyes and the next minute my platoon sergeant was checking to see if I was at MOPP4. I was--I had donned mask and hood without waking up. Properly, too. That was the result of years of NBC training--I was able to mask up in my sleep.
Deer hunting for sport is a far cry from finding a critter to eat. Lol. I don’t know where you’re from, but if I bugged out from my home I could probably live off squirrels alone just on the walk. As for deer in that situation fair chase would be out the window and I’d eat what I need and feed the coyotes with the rest. Heck, a few snares, a trot line, or set hooks while you sleep may yield something. Someone’s going to be on watch for the night, so be prepared to take a meal if it comes by. 😳
I've read and read about these things, and yes, I saw "Red Dawn", 35 years ago. People think they just go running off to the woods, or some remote area. How? I'm glad you brought up things like map reading, which is a real lost skill. It used to be taught,back when kids were on Boy Scouts... Knowledge and the right equipment, is better than a bunch of stuff that isn't gonna be used.
I was going to say ask Kurt Cobain about eating projectiles 🤣 still to soon 🤷, people are so mistaken on this subject and way to many live in fantasy land...... keep the truth coming!
We have a place to go but it's 30 miles from our home. Yes, uts very suitable for a bug out location, but unless we have a great deal of notice that we need to leave it really does no good. Everything we have is at home. Our neighbors are really good friends and also preppers so we're all on the same page. We live very rural anyway so there would be no need to leave unless we knew we were going to get hit by a tactical nuke.
Our get home/bug out bags are mystery ranch bags. Best bags by far imho. You cannot compete with their ability to carry very heavy loads and be very comfortable
bug out bag.... hmmmmm no travel pack is a better description... mine is throw in the truck and head to the retreat.. if it falls before that i will need to camp in ... thank goodness I live in Ontario north... well said and yes agreed
About body armor-- I have owned body armor since 1978. My "official use" of body armor goes back to the pre-PASTG days and the nylon flak vest and ended in 2010 when I retired from the Nevada Army National Guard. Body armor and helmet are insurance against my foul ups. Many of Second Chance Company's body armor saves were when the vest reduced injuries during a traffic accident--ask Massad Ayoob. Wearing body armor is also a combination of pessimism and optimism. Wearing body armor to protect against flying metal and secondary fragments is pessimistic--"I'm going to be hit." Expecting that armor to protect against lead pollution is optimistic--"my enemy will hit my armor!" Keep up your self-aid skills and carry a medical kit, too! But when you're solo, getting hit is going to foul up your day. The rule "don't get shot" still applies when wearing body armor. There's a reason why special operations forces strip off most body armor and leave helmets behind unless their mission puts them where there is an unavoidably high risk of being shot. I'm lucky--haven't been officially shot AT and I hope to keep the number of bullet holes on my body at zero. Sometimes body armor is forbidden. When Rich Davis developed Second Chance body armor after being shot during a robbery (in the head and thigh) he evaluated the threats facing police during the Sixties and Seventies before developing a pair of thick letter-size (more or less) Kevlar 29 panels held in place by a chest harness--"vest" to the rest of us. Two major challenges that Davis had to overcome--wearing bullet proof vests (in existence prior to the First World War) with a street cop's uniform violated agency regulations, and even with powerful police unions and the labor laws shifts of 12 hours had to be regarded as routine. If the armor wasn't worn, it wouldn't protect. The armor had to be concealed from police supervisor casual inspection and couldn't spoil the manly image of the patrol cop. Marketing literature stressed comfort and maintaining surprise "because when the criminal sees the armor, he shoots for the head." Police motorcycle helmets were still a new thing at the time and the standard headgear was a billed "saucer" cap (how military!) or a Smokey the Bear campaign hat or sometimes a variation of the cowboy hat. Baseball caps outside of SWAT were "unprofessional" and ballistic helmets--or helmets of any sort--were off police radar outside of riot duty. I believe that the main reason Davis opted for low profile body armor was so that his police customers could wear the armor without being labeled a coward by their peers and superiors. Ridicule is a career killer--and so no more customers! I wore my body armor underneath my security guard uniform shirts when working as an unarmed security guard. I was licensed in four states, one state at a time, and my posts were often isolated enough that I was the only human in an industrial park or at a construction site or a rural site. Or I would be working in a crowded retail establishment, possibly manning an access point. I did pull motor patrols, driving miles between several client sites in a company vehicle. The armor was there so that if I had to make a run for it, my vitals were protected--a little. Rich Davis was shot in the head and leg. Fortunately, the .25 caliber bullets didn't penetrate anything vital. How's your field medicine? In a bugout situation, who is your surgeon? The armor helps, but it is limited. Davis designed his Second Chance body armor to protect the vitals of police officers from the fire of Saturday Night Specials--then regarded as the main threat. I'd argue knives, but I'm just an ordinary fool and not part of any think tank. Hundreds of law enforcement officers survived being shot in the back or in the front of the chest while wearing Rich Davis Second Chance vests. Problem--"What are you wearing a vest for? Do you plan on getting shot?" The stigma is less than in the past--except for mall cops! Today, many police agencies have overt body armor as part of their patrol uniform--not just tactical teams, either. Helmets are still not universal issue--yet. For that matter, not all police have gas masks in their patrol car. I was never a sworn law enforcement officer but one five-year security guard contract required me to wear a gas mask in its carrier while on duty (12.5 hour shifts) and at the end of the contract we also wore rifle-proof body armor with PASTG helmet during those entire shifts on many access control posts due to the threat level. That was one reason our posts were NOT attacked--wearing all of that crap convinced the enemy that their attacks would not be successful. I cheated and wore concealable body armor when I was the arms room crew (I was the contract's armorer) and when my overt body armor was inappropriate, but I recognized that my armor had limited protective qualities. Steve, my late brother, was a Utah Highway Patrol officer and a Secret Service Agent and when we discussed gear, he set me straight on agency policies regarding helmets and gas masks. "We don't dress up as storm troopers, it scares the people we work for." Besides, automobile seats are not designed for wearing body armor and gas mask carriers. In my car I cannot even wear a baseball cap without occasionally rubbing against the ceiling--helmets are worse and even in military vehicles the crew positions are NOT designed for armored soldiers. I had trouble enough crewing the M577A2 Tracked Command Post Carrier (M113 variant) wearing full battle rattle. The M113 had been designed when Korean War era flak vests were becoming standard infantry issue, too! Sometimes circumstances dictate NO ARMOR. For example, California prohibits "civilians" from owning body armor. Wearing body armor can bring additional criminal charges for a routine traffic stop. Never mind that there's a lot of California carjacking going on and that some of these carjackers have fired at fleeing victims as the victims drove off. Rigid plates are going to make long drives very difficult. It's not BODY armor, but up armoring vehicles is a case of every solution creates more problems. On that five year contract our Jeep Cherokee patrol vehicles were fitted with 500-pound armor kits that provided protection against 9mm pistol bullets. I experienced hillbilly armor during Operation Iraqi Freedom II and the up armor kits and factory-installed HMMWV armor plates. Nevada's 1/221st Cav (National Guard) traded its Abrams tanks and Bradley/Devers armored vehicles for up-armored HMMWVs and then swapped out their armored HMMWVs for the support units' soft-skinned HMMWVs because the off-road performance of the armored vehicles was unacceptable. When armored, the HMMWV went from being a 5/4-ton payload to barely a 1/4-ton payload--barely enough for a crew of two soldiers and minimum gear. First problem was expense of the armor. Second problem is weight--increases fuel consumption, decreases range, compromises off-road performance, limits payload, and in Kuwait I had trouble squeezing into Jeep Cherokee driver's seats due to the armored door panels. In my opinion the only two worthwhile bits of the Jeep Cherokee armor kit were the back plate--not adequate for AK fire, but better than nothing--and the cage bolted and welded over the exhaust pipe. The latter made shoving a small bomb up the tailpipe very difficult. The armored HMMWVs had a very necessary air conditioning unit because the windows no longer opened--the doors were as heavy as vault doors, there was a special wrench inside the cab so that the crew could escape after a roll-over or if the door latches jammed, and due to the extra weight those vehicles were sluggish. I could outrun a HMMWV both on the road or cross country when driving an MTV or LMTV even when the 5-ton or 2.5-ton modern military tactical vehicle was up armored and fully loaded due to the bigger vehicle's better power to weight ratio, but those bigger trucks consumed even more diesel than did the HMMWVs and using the big trucks for routine support operations was frowned upon because they were needed for other duties. Yes, armor has problems. Would you walk ten klicks to avoid being shot or would you wear armor and try running a bullet gauntlet 300 meters long? The choice for chairborne commandos is always easy because their choice isn't between sweating or sweating and bleeding.
I don't think most have any idea what they would do. I see the people who practice fitness, mental toughness, and skill, smart decisions are the ones who win the day over those who rely to much on gimmicks. Also have the gear you have been fully tested?
Water is 8.37 pounds per gallon, I deal with this at my job. I've also been there and done that,if you know what I mean. I've starved and let me tell people your mind and body don't react the same. Everyone out there has a grandeur notion that it will be like something in a movie. I hate to tell you it sucks real bad.
I have too many bags, including a rush 24, 72 and a few mystery ranch bags. The rush 72 is 6 pounds! 6 lbs right off the bat. It's great for camping and a range bag but damn that thing is a heavy pig
Oh yeah it's heavy and it suffers from oganizational paralysis too many damn pockets but I still love my 24. It's great for what it is but it is not a load bearing pack
I can't bug out, my mother is disabled and I can't leave her behind, so unless a nuclear threat comes I'll just fortify my home and stock it up, bugging out will be a last resort for me.
You are correct. Most can't even read a compass and map..most are fat and do not know how it feels to ruck some weight. Many just practice flat range shooting. Shooting and running with ruck is a whole different ball game..
Yep my favorite drill to make guys do when I teach DMR or or LRS stuff is make them drop in the prone with their ruck and everything on. Then I leave them there for 10 minutes ish and ask them how it feels people start changing gear at once
yeah that's only true in training and patrol pack outfits In the world's I spoke of your ruck is scrimmed out too. if you drop on a movement to the prone you don't have time to ditch a ruck it's just a part if the landscape with you. Now if we're say reacting to ambush you would be correct drop and fight off it
Your whole 3 part lecture, makes BUGOUT IMPOSSIBLE…. just the water supply , especially for a family Checks off the CANNOT DO box…. At best, you need a 4x4 with auxiliary 40 gallon tank, a secluded getaway, that is used often, off grid power, a well, and a deep cold cellar.
He claims GPS can be "tracked" can anyone explain this further? Im under the impression if your GPS device is a receiver only that its not able to be tracked.... am I wrong?
Anything acting as a receiver for satellite data can be tracked and spoofed unless it is encrypted which none of the civilian models are. If you are using a satellite to provide location to your GPS then the people in charge of those satellites can view your location as well including your phones
True but most real SHTF situations that could take us down would rarely be known outside of top tier government. We can watch for the signs and try to interpret them to give us an edge but truly by the time we realize we're screwed it'll be too late. Kind of a frog in the pot of water
do share I've been ordering from them for years I just get a commission if people use my link outside of that they don't give me anything. I still order from them and magshack alot recently. But if you have Intel lay it on me
All I hear is that what your complaining about----what do you actually do to "counter" these complaints---are you part of solution? What your referring to is an INCH bag. Im Never Coming Home. Not a bug out bag. Your premise that people be walking only. A bug out is that you need to leave for a short while and come back. An INCH bag--thats where its a disaster where you cant drive and its utter chaos. I have bugged 6 times past 53 years----once because riots, once because flood, 3 hurricanes and one ice storm. I have allways had at least 12 hours of notice except the riot one---when I had 2 hours notice. I have yet to walk more than a mile with my bag. It is mostly a bag of convenience to put in the vehicle. I had to leave for at most 7 days. I use a convertible REI travel backpack----its big and durable and allows for short term carry. I do have any INCH bag which goes when I did bug out----but that has different items and is way lighter.
A useful acronym for sure but often times used as a catch all when it doesn't completely fit. I see folks try to fit the acronym to the situation sometimes
Long distance backpack camping and hiking is my most expensive hobby. I just finished the rim to rim this spring. NO "tactical" bag is gonna cut it, no matter how much you spent on it. I tell people all the time that ive spent YEARS fortifying my house and environment, why the hell would i "bug" anywhere ?
I don't agree fully on the tactical bag deal we learned so much from the Alice pack to have folks like Mystery Ranch, Eberlestock and other hunting and climbing brands make tacticak bags with all the oh so amazing features of a thru hikers pack. The 3DAP being issue really opened my eyes
Let's be brutally honest. "Bugging out" is word salad for being a refuge. Bugging out is absolutely last resort.
"Bugging out is absolutely last resort."
Unless you have a Hazmat railroad spill in your small town. Then you should bug out to a nice hotel in the next town.
I agree. I do not plan on bugging out. But I the event of a fire or tornado, I will be forced to bug out. Luckily I have sporadic cashes in various locales. But I intend to not bug out. However I will not set in my house while it burns down around me.
@@yetisuncle666 "But I the event of a fire or tornado, I will be forced to bug out. Luckily I have sporadic cashes in various locales."
Caches for what? Just go to a hotel or your parent's/in-laws/sibling house.
agree, bug in as long as you can but have a plan A, B, C
99.9% of the people will not be able to "bug out." They will not have the equipment, the physical strength, the know how, or even a place to go.
For real. When I think of the bug out subject I always come back to “ where the hell am I gonna go?”
In all likelihood, the most realistic bug-out scenario to prepare for is a fire/hurricane/earthquake or some other natural disaster that requires you evacuate from your home.
True most will bug in. Bugging in should be everyone’s primary plan. There are two scenarios of bugging out; one is you are away from your primary and need to get there. In which case you are bugging out to get home. The scenario is when the primary fails and now you are bugging out. So initially 100% of us should have a primary which typically is where you live.
@@jjtru21your moms basement. 😂
A "get home" bag is the most practical version of this. Basic medical and first aid, wool blanket, poncho, water, some food, etc.
Was in Sri Lanka last year when SHTF. No gas, rolling blackouts, Pharmaceuticals ran out……my choice was to bug in for a week. During that time the hordes of people protesting made bugging out to the airport impossible. As for my gear….carrying a pack only drew attention. So I ditched everything except sensitive items and arrived to my safe location with the clothing on me and small day pack. Bugging out is the last resort. JM Alaska
Vast majority of people should be hunkering down instead of bugging out. This is why community building is important. No one wants to take the time to get to know their neighbors anymore. Everyone would rather run away.
I only know a couple people who could survive outside. I’m not one of them so I’m not bugging out. Our small town of mostly like minded stand the best chance of survival together.
Great points. My BOB is meant to support an exfil in the event of “natural” disasters, where some degree of normalcy WILL return in MAX a few weeks. You do “solo” or with a “team” bug out in the “catastrophic” scenario- you’re very much a sitting duck regardless of your tactical or medical training. If you (or team members) get seriously injured out there- you are now slower, less eyes with a new member to protect/sheild. There is no air support or medevacs coming.
I like that your helping many preppers come to grips with reality on so many aspects of prepping and "Bugging out" and how much one can realistically carry. Since the overwhelming majority of preppers arent Active Duty Infantry with 12, 20, 40 mile rucking skills, and many if not most may be Vets, the reality of 'Your not in the military anymore, there is no NO RESUPPLY of Food, Water, Ammo' anymore coupled with the fact that 99.9% of us CANNOT carry a 100-150 pack on foot anymore for Months on end needs to be faced. There are gonna be some tough choices on loadouts for any bags. Water purification/storage over ammo, Chest Rigs over Plate Carriers, Concentrated Emergency High Calorie Rations over MREs to get buy when Hunting Gathering is dry.
Any Real long term SHTF scenario is gonna be the worst kind of SuckFest any of us have ever faced.
There is NO Romance in that. Just hard days and choices.
As a husband & a father of two after watching this video… I’m facing the hard reality that they will probably get me killed if things go completely off the rails. 😔
Right there with you brother. Also have 4 family members 5 mins down the street that will be expecting food and protection.
@@alh961: Well, at least we’re honest about the “uncomfortable truth.” 🤣👍
For sure. I’ve tried to talk to them about it but they just don’t see a need to store a bit of food, they might have 10 days worth if they stretch it. They think their swimming pool is an asset for drinking water but I’ve got good water stored and other sources.
@@alh961we all do... gonna be some people from left field that expect you to help them too
😂 i’m on the same boat got 3 girls 1 of them is like me no fear and the other two took their mom side. they would jump off a cliff if they see a ant walk by them. i remember when one fly flew in the house. shit i thought intruders got in the house by the sound of the screams and people running all over the house. come down stairs they’re all cuddled in the corner crying. i asked what happened they said there’s a bug flying.
Can you imagine in a SHTF scenario millions of people “bugging out”? What a mess that would be.
Itll be a disaster in the least.....
Who do you think is gonna die first or second and that’s why in every apocalypse movie or media the highways are blocked
@@austindecker7643 most people in cities won't have gas, they'll be on foot, you can't stop that wave of people
On hunting, I became aware of how fragile civilization can be during the Cuban Missile Crisis when I was just five. My father was in the USAF and assigned to Spangdahlem and the dependent families were ordered to wear their dog tags and have their single packed suitcase per person with them when they spend their nights sleeping in the base housing fallout shelters. I recall my blood being drawn from a finger so that my blood type could be stamped on my dog tag two years prior. Non-combatant Evacuation Operations are SNAFU.
With this background and being taught how to hunt by my father, I realized a lot of things.
First, a disaster such as nuclear war was going to impact the wildlife that I might hunt. I witnessed a controlled burn--a forest fire. The day before there had been squirrels and birds and other tasty animals. After the fire, there were a few charred dead animals but the birds and squirrels were noticeable by their absence. A single snake took up residence in my yard until the snake was eliminated--and then wildlife ceased to exist.
Second, we starving humans will drive off or kill off all edible animals in a short time. As an illiterate young lad in West Germany, the old folks talked about how during and after the two World Wars there was no deer or rabbit left because those had been eaten. A thousand people don't have to be GOOD hunters to strip the wilderness of all edible animals--and plants--just a lot of them going out and hunting or gathering will get the job done due to the sheer number. Either they'll actually catch and kill all the rabbits or the surviving rabbits will have fled. It is entirely possible that the old folks were telling me how they had to walk thirty kilometers uphill both ways through August snow storms twice daily to attend school, so when I did learn to read and write and access information I looked up the wildlife management programs and researched how frontiersmen and the Indians managed to feed themselves in a howling wilderness. There's good reason why agriculture and animal husbandry exists.
Third, you mentioned that ammunition has weight. I'm a range safety officer at my county's public rifle range and I'm in the process of getting official NRA certification as an instructor, plus in the military I handled ammunition as one of my duties. Five thousand rounds of .22 LR weighed 40 pounds, if I remember the shipping documents. I'm not going to be accurate in describing the heavy-duty cardboard shipping package as "the size of a bread box." I could only fit 4800 of those in a metal ammo can that had once held 800 linked 5.56mm rounds in M249 magazines. Audie Murphy would have thought himself wealthy beyond measure if I time travelled to Texas and gave him that can of 4800 .22 cartridges during the Depression Era--poor boys didn't get that much ammo because of poverty. The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is compact and light weight compared to big game centerfire cartridges or shotgun ammunition. I learned to appreciate lightweight ammunition and to conserve my shots, but even so, a supply of just 100 CCI MiniMag 36 grain hollow point cartridges sealed in a 1"x2"x6" plastic box (approximate measurements) was 13 ounces on my food scale. I might shave an ounce off the weight by repacking the ammo in a plastic baggie and make the dimensions more flexible, but ammo still has mass and bulk.
Once I have the meat, I need to prepare it for consumption. Subsistence hunters in the past would often drink the blood of their prey and then gobble down the still-warm livers raw--they had built up a resistance to most of the diseases in their area, and if not, then the hunter died. Small animals can be eaten in one meal by one person. A large animal will have leftovers. Dead animals smell and attract both [predators and scavengers. When hunting or on military exercises or even when working as a security guard I'd pay attention to what the non-human animals were doing. A flock of crows drew my attention because there was a reason for their presence and that reason was often roadkill. Once "dinner" was dead, it has to be field dressed at the very least, parted out for portability, and that creates mess. Cooking is another layer of operational compromise. One advantage of pre-packaged rations is being able to feed with a minimum of smell, light, visible smoke, and residue. Nature will quickly reduce roadkill to a stain on the ground with fur, bones and feathers marking the spot. What do we careless and messy humans leave behind? Cooking involves heat and appliances, even if the "appliance" is little more than a stick to hang meat over a pile of hot coals. Could also just try drying the meat while chasing off hungry critters ranging in size from gnats to bears. We humans don't see bacteria and "out of sight is out of mind." Humans are the most dangerous predatory scavenger on the planet. Cook up a savory stew and under emergency conditions you'll be able to take an accurate census of every human in the neighborhood--if they don't shoot you or mob you and take that stew for their dinner. Back to ammunition weight--how many shots can you spare to save dinner?
Storing what's left can be a problem for people used to storing their peanut butter in the fridge. I had a great deal of difficulty explaining the difference between Type A rations and Type B rations to Americans who always have a refrigerator. Explaining C-rations (the MRE is a C-ration) is usually a waste of time. When I read "Alas Babylon" (1959 by Pat Frank) I was still in high school but had camped out in excess of thirty days at a time. The protagonists "bugged in" at their homes in a rural area. One man filled his freezer with food--when a nuclear strike eliminated the electrical power plant, he suddenly was faced with a freezer full of meat and ice cream thawing out and beginning to rot. As a know-it-all high school brat, I wondered how a Korean War infantry officer had made that error--being without electricity and living out of a field pack isn't easy even with almost reliable daily resupply. Once I've harvested plant and animals in excess of the next meal, where do I store it, how do I carry it, and what measures do I take to limit my food rotting? One popular Old School measure was to eat as much as possible so that the food went to waist instead of going to waste. That's how wild animals survive from meal to meal--eat as much as possible. Bears and big cats might stash a partially eaten carcass for later. Some hoarding animals hide food gathered in times of plenty and visit their caches when food is hard to find--they don't have to carry all of their food at all times. Dried meat, pemmican, even canning are possible but require supplies and time and expertise.
All of these things and more are considerations for bugging out. Once at the safe haven, these issues remain. I'm looking forward to your other presentations on these topics. I make it a point to learn something every day, even when I'm merely re-learning something I've forgotten.
I admit I have a Rush 72 as part of my bugout kit, but it is the first aid kit, I also have an IFAK with it that is separate. I also know the area and my and my families abilities enough to know I won't be bugging out on foot, I just live to far away from anywhere that would be a good bugout location. If it isn't by car I am probably going to die at my house. Great video, got to keep it real!
Nailed it!
I’ve been arguing many of these same points all along. No matter what you do, it boils down to a man-portable system. Learn to make do with as little gear as you can.
Our bug out-bag is an enormous duffle that is ready to go, knowing full well the majority of it will be left behind. Don’t know what season or situations will be present at hour zero, but I’ll not fuck us for lack of planning!
Bravo Zulu! I'm with you 100%. Having spent twenty two years on active duty, and now retired I cannot help but giggle as well as cringe when I read the stories of people who THINK they have it all figured out regarding the "Bug Out".
At times it is actually painful to listen to the scenario some explain about their bug out plan. The friends I have who have never served are especially fun to deal with as they gleen most of their knowledge from..... You guessed it. The internet!! While there are valuable sources such as you, many You tube warriors leave much off the table.
I learned many things in my twenty two years on active duty. The two best lessons are; Murphy's Law is ALWAYS in effect, and NO plan lasts longer than first contact. I believe it was Mike Tyson who said, "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face".
Keep the knowledge transfer coming.
Was a very high percentage of the people who cannot accept the truth when they hear it or see it. Some say the truth hurts. Reality can be a real kick thanks man stay safe
Final 2 bonus points were bottomless pits that deserve thier own episodes!!! Awesome content! Stoked for volume 2!!
The focus should be on community and pooling resources and skill sets, not running away.
I think most people interested in the notion of bugging anywhere should take a hard look at backcountry hunters. Most people will be humbled, quickly, by the loads involved and by the pricetags. Setting up to comfortably carry large loads across long distances is pain, physically and financially. And this is without factoring in armor, which I'd argue is almost mutually exclusive with the best hunting packs that would most comfortably carry that weight.
I tune in to your videos when I’m going for a drive and just listen to your knowledge. Appreciate you man.
Thank you my friend I'm glad it's helpful
Yep. Ammo and water are the heaviest things you'll be carrying. So, probably the most critical things to sort out before hand. Also, the watering holes are where animals and people go to the bathroom. Don't drink the poop water, fellas.
The one thing about bugging out now in 2023 is all the land is "owned". you're more than likely to run across private property and then get shot at for trespassing.
If you live in the western USA the owner may be Uncle Sam. Nevada is something like 90% government land and then 20% owned or leased by Big Business and more owned/controlled by the State of Nevada. Yes, the ownership adds up to more than 100% and that is because the same piece of real estate can be owned by multiple entities. First, there were railroad grants and the mining companies. Then there were homesteaders and incorporated cities--when first erected, dirt floors and canvas roofs were the starting point of Virginia City, Carson City, Reno, and yes, the mighty modern metropolis of Las Vegas was a sleepy Mormon farming village located along the railroad line. Your point about all the land being "owned" is an understatement. During a crisis, squatters rights will prevail as long as the squatters have more firepower. Nevada was never a wilderness with no humans who claimed ownership. Even the "uninhabited" Forty Mile Desert about 15 miles north of Fallon was claimed by people.
Surprised surplus didn't come up. Bought a ILBE for $150 a couple years back, and recently picked up a FILBE 3 day assault pack for $50. Both will outlast most anything else and are a fraction of the cost of tacticool brands and ultra lightweight backpacking stuff. I agree, people's minds usually go to the woods when they hear "bugging out" but that likely won't be the case as bugging out usually is an absolute last resort. It could mean quickly moving to the next town over due to natural disaster (flood, wildfire, chemical explosion, tornado, etc.). I consider my bugout bag(s) to be short term solutions with absolute necessities to get through a few days of travel or uncertainty as good people will likely stick together and work towards a solution in times of peril. Like you mentioned, the whole mentality of hiding in the woods alone and surviving is kind of ridiculous. Fun series!
Carry a couple of empty bags, to carry loose items in your vehicle.
That was a bunch of information in a short bit. Looking forward to the lock picking tools.
So I’m guess my fanny pack full of 5.56 and peanut butter isn’t going to cut it 😂. Really I just gotta hope I live far enough out we don’t have to leave. I’ve got a kids so it’s pretty much impossible I do have a few grab bags ready but definitely the house would have to be destroyed before that’s an option
Nobody was thinking about bug out bags before the show the walking dead came out.
Bugging out should be an absolute last resort! If you do bug out either on foot or vehicle you are now placing a easier target on your back. Your house is your place of comfort, it’s where you have everything you need first of all. Second you have shelter, food water etc all at your finger tips! If you “bug out” you will be limited to weight capacity, food carrying limits, water carrying limits even with water filters you need water on hand at all times. You’re better off starting or having a MAG group or if bugging out travel in convoy at the first notice of news or information provided granted it’s 100% reliable to another location way before things get worse. If bugging out you will be limited to ammo/magazine capacity there is no resupply! There’s so much more at play if you plan to bug out!
Just remember a house can be surrounded and or set a blaze with you inside. While it is a safe place initially it can change rapidly and become a tomb depending on the situation.
@@M4c223cjust community is the biggest thing all prepers forget is t he most important thing too
Good stuff. I have two kids (3 and 6) so bugging out on foot is an absolute last resort.
Honestly, im doing EVERYTHING i have to, to bug "IN". I really dont want to be a glorified refugee. Thats why i have a "get home" bag in my vehicle. Much more practical than a bug out bag. But yes, information and training are SUPER ESSENTIAL for survival in a shtf environment. Great info!
I learned about 15 years ago, in prepping my (then) "bug out bag," that there IS no "bugging out." You can never carry enough, and where are you going to go that doesn't make you and your family vulnerable targets?
Conclusion: *There is ONLY "fighting for your home..."*
So now, my "bug out bag" has become my LBV with fighting essentials--
All very good points of what not to do, I’m sure the next vid will be good too! In most scenarios “bugging out” doesn’t seem like a good option to me but a regular 1-3 day camping/hiking setup should cover the same items outside of ammo(I can’t make myself spend the money for 5 different complete preloaded packs, hunting/day hike/longer term camping/get home/assault…primary goes in lightweight pouches that can be swapped from pack to pack when/if needed). A get home-ish pack should have a degree of all the “primary” NEEDS that would go in any pack besides an assault pack(an assault pack would be more focused on fighting/evading/moving fast hence the name). Like you said knowledge/training/experience/pre-planning is the most important…point being it would be nice if you’d do an “opposite” series on what ppl should do. Don’t get me wrong I like you busting chops over ppl doing stupid shit lol but teaching ppl the “right” way is arguably more valuable/important.
The whole “big out bag” thing weirds me out. Where tf yall goin? All your shits at home. Fortify your castle and stay put.
For me, for a long time, a "bug out bag" was a pocketknife, a Bic lighter and/or book of paper matches, and a disposable poncho or large trash bag in a pocket. Poverty and limits on what I could legally possess limited me. I added a flashlight with a spare set of batteries as soon as I could and when possible, I had the means to acquire and treat water. Iodine tablets weren't much comfort though when the possibility of my ship sinking would leave me trying to stay afloat on a salty sea, immersed in water but not a drop to drink. Besides, under those conditions, breathing was a struggle and being in that cold, cold water quickly sapped all vitality. Lucky me--that ship is still floating a half century after I spent eight months as part of her crew--though there was some excitement when part of the ship caught fire.
The most important part of any bug-out bag is your attitude and then your knowledge and skills.
@billyflinn619 you're not wrong, initially.... but houses can be surrounded and set a blaze with you inside if the wrong people find out you're there. Just food for thought, situations can change drastically very fast.
@@sa1911a1 I get it. But if you let someone find out you’re there, that’s ultimately a you problem. Be better about not being made. In situation where this would be an issue, it would be best to keep a very low profile.
@@Barrett619 I'm with you but that's much easier said than done in many situations. You have to be flexible in ever evolving situations. You have to weight the risk factor vs reward on somethings. Humans can be extremely selfish and cruel when they need want / something and Houses are usually easy plunder unless they're defended, again risk vs reward on both sides there.
"Fortify your castle and stay put."
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man" - Gen. George S. Patton.
Great information
Bugging out is an absolute last resort. The roads are unusable, your house is gone, the utilities have been out for a long time. The government has failed. The financial system has failed. Otherwise you should be bugging in.
I have rucked with armor, a heavy pack and a rifle. I also know the type of equipment you're talking about generally comes with a team of men and support. You can't use a standard military equipment system when you're alone or with just one partner. You do need a hybrid system including elements from lightweight backpacking and bushcraft in addition to military equipment. Some items should be rugged and military equipment works good in that case. Some items should be lightweight and backpacking gear works best for that. Some things facilitate long term survival and bushcraft gear does the trick for things like building a decent shelter or making the tools you'll need. If you've trained enough and can handle the weight, you can carry some very useful items. A do everything pot that's hard to destroy is better than a light weight mess kit and trying to carry a dozen little things that will wear out trying to do the same job. A collection of preserved heirloom seeds will help you feed yourself and remain sane. Maps are a must but you may need paper and some drawing tools to make your own map. A Bible goes in my bag. Remember the rule: two is one and one is none. I find a machete more useful and durable than an axe but you'll need a file and sharpening stone to keep it working. A block of wax can seal wood tools, waterproof fabrics and preserve chordage made from the landscape. A bow string can make the difference between making a usable bow or not. Pain killers can make you comfortable but Benadryl and Epinephrine can save your life.
Knowledge should include: hunting for game you would actually want to eat, shelter building, foraging and knowing what you can safely eat including plants and mushrooms if it suits you, procuring water, finding direction, tool making, medicine in the wild, and all the basics like washing yourself and your gear, where to make your bathroom, and how to grow food.
You should really be prepared to make your home a stronghold and keep that position as long as possible. If you think your location is going to become unsafe in an extended grid down situation, you should think about changing that while it's still possible.
Living in SE TN, I'd love to see someone (who hasn't trained) to carry 130lb bag in the summer or with a family. Some people don't plan ahead. The hunting & trapping remark got me laughing.😂
I have an eberlestock Operator Pack for bugging out but I have an 5.11 Amp 72 as a get home bag... This video has me contemplating my choice of my get home bag.
You are spot on about the rush 72, I got one and it sucks, 😂
Rush 12 is a great little bag. You can find them on sale a lot now that 5.11 is moving on to new models. Obviously not a BoB though lol.
I just sold mine. Almost 6lbs empty. No thanks
@bibifromsenegal3617 I upgraded to a eberlestock Factrac, way better 👌
Good stuff
Good stuff, real world
Understand this.
If the time comes you gotta " bugout" , you are on borrowed time.
back country packs already have proven tested with time. 72 hour 45 liter for everything else
Hadn't heard of P.A.C.E before, Thanks!
It's an excellent acronym I'm trying to work some in the are applicable to the citizens that can help them streamline stuff for those prepared
Love the channel, subbed!
Awesome, thank you!
bug in. if shit gets to the point you have to leave, hopefully you have a plan for motor power mobility. rucking fucking sucks and you will tire out to the point where even the smallest tasks become a big deal. motor power mobility also extends your options.
Plan and prepare for both especially if you live in an apartment or big city or even a small city
Great info as always!!
Thanks again!
Great feedback. Real talk, what we “NEED” to do is begin coming together and STOP allowing others to divide our country. We are United States citizens and thanks to God giving us the technology that exists, we don’t have to live in the woods.
Sure, other countries are going through, and yes will will too if we continue to allow EXTREMISTS groups and the government to divide the country.
Understand that we need a government to govern the country. It was Europeans that had issues with the government, left England, found land that was ALREADY found by Native Americans but those Europeans invaded, terrorized, and stole.
Now in 2023 we have DOMESTIC TERRORISM / Extremists that have issues with the government and divide the country.
It’s happening ALL OVER. We’re supposed to learn from our mistakes.
Citizens of America, we don’t have to “bug out” anywhere. This is our country unless we allow another country to invade us like we see in other countries.
We need to put God first and STOP trying to do things our way. He’s already laid out a plan and given us directions.
God created us all so we should STOP the nonsense.
I have 2 bug out bags (wisdom) and only because I have no idea when “American Citizens” will turn on their own.
Wake up EVERYONE. Color / Race / Culture is NOT and issue for me. I may not even agree with our government but I follow the rules. A country with no rules, laws, or spiritual aspect is doomed to fail.
Love Jesus first, then love America
Talking about food, try this. Eat a early and light dinner no breakfast ,no lunch work a day. See how exhausted , slow and how clear and fast can you think?
Keep it real
Be safe
Been there, done that. When I was working as an anti-terrorist security officer in the Middle East during Ramadan, the dawn to dusk fasting included no water. I was working with Islamic security personnel, and they must have thought me insane because I did my foot and motor patrols as normal without food and drink during that entire 40-day period at least twice. It is amazing how much someone can accomplish when necessity forces them to.
I have a bag, but it’s what I take with me when I’m away if I need to get home. I would never bug out. If it’s bad enough that I’m gonna be overrun in my house, I’d rather be dead anyway
Another thing bigmouths need to try is: sleeping in a gas mask. Just give it a try, and you will see for yourself how practical it is, as in not.
Sleeping in a gas mask? Been there, done that. Fortunately, no poison gas. They're all dead now, but veterans of the Western Front trenches of World War One had something to say about that. Gas mask filters get clogged, moisture from respiration and perspiration gets everywhere in the mask. While on exercise in West Germany during the Cold War I shocked my platoon sergeant during a simulated gas attack--I hadn't slept in 40 hours and had three or four hours that I could nap except for that gas drill. So I went to MOPP2 and crawled in my sleeping bag, donned my gloves and positioned my mask where I could reach it. One minute I closed my eyes and the next minute my platoon sergeant was checking to see if I was at MOPP4. I was--I had donned mask and hood without waking up. Properly, too. That was the result of years of NBC training--I was able to mask up in my sleep.
Stop being a baby I’ve done it I wouldn’t wanna do it for a week but maybe 2 days I could do
So, on the third day you die.@@austindecker7643
Deer hunting for sport is a far cry from finding a critter to eat. Lol. I don’t know where you’re from, but if I bugged out from my home I could probably live off squirrels alone just on the walk. As for deer in that situation fair chase would be out the window and I’d eat what I need and feed the coyotes with the rest. Heck, a few snares, a trot line, or set hooks while you sleep may yield something. Someone’s going to be on watch for the night, so be prepared to take a meal if it comes by. 😳
I've read and read about these things, and yes, I saw "Red Dawn", 35 years ago. People think they just go running off to the woods, or some remote area. How? I'm glad you brought up things like map reading, which is a real lost skill. It used to be taught,back when kids were on Boy Scouts... Knowledge and the right equipment, is better than a bunch of stuff that isn't gonna be used.
I was going to say ask Kurt Cobain about eating projectiles 🤣 still to soon 🤷, people are so mistaken on this subject and way to many live in fantasy land...... keep the truth coming!
To and too are different words with different meanings. You were taught this in elementary school.
Beautiful, I agree with you 100%
Solid!
eberlestock g4 operator... and I love it
We have a place to go but it's 30 miles from our home. Yes, uts very suitable for a bug out location, but unless we have a great deal of notice that we need to leave it really does no good. Everything we have is at home. Our neighbors are really good friends and also preppers so we're all on the same page. We live very rural anyway so there would be no need to leave unless we knew we were going to get hit by a tactical nuke.
It's amazing that you have a solid support group around you
Our get home/bug out bags are mystery ranch bags. Best bags by far imho. You cannot compete with their ability to carry very heavy loads and be very comfortable
"You can't eat bullets...."
Me: "uhhhh...."
I mean it doesn't turn out too well
I, like that knowledge doesn’t weigh anything another awesome point keep it up love the Content
More to come!
unc, dogs and cats? you could eat for months off the strays in my neighborhood.
i have two weeks of food living with me now...(:
bug out bag.... hmmmmm no travel pack is a better description... mine is throw in the truck and head to the retreat.. if it falls before that i will need to camp in ... thank goodness I live in Ontario north... well said and yes agreed
About body armor-- I have owned body armor since 1978. My "official use" of body armor goes back to the pre-PASTG days and the nylon flak vest and ended in 2010 when I retired from the Nevada Army National Guard.
Body armor and helmet are insurance against my foul ups. Many of Second Chance Company's body armor saves were when the vest reduced injuries during a traffic accident--ask Massad Ayoob. Wearing body armor is also a combination of pessimism and optimism. Wearing body armor to protect against flying metal and secondary fragments is pessimistic--"I'm going to be hit." Expecting that armor to protect against lead pollution is optimistic--"my enemy will hit my armor!" Keep up your self-aid skills and carry a medical kit, too! But when you're solo, getting hit is going to foul up your day.
The rule "don't get shot" still applies when wearing body armor. There's a reason why special operations forces strip off most body armor and leave helmets behind unless their mission puts them where there is an unavoidably high risk of being shot. I'm lucky--haven't been officially shot AT and I hope to keep the number of bullet holes on my body at zero.
Sometimes body armor is forbidden. When Rich Davis developed Second Chance body armor after being shot during a robbery (in the head and thigh) he evaluated the threats facing police during the Sixties and Seventies before developing a pair of thick letter-size (more or less) Kevlar 29 panels held in place by a chest harness--"vest" to the rest of us. Two major challenges that Davis had to overcome--wearing bullet proof vests (in existence prior to the First World War) with a street cop's uniform violated agency regulations, and even with powerful police unions and the labor laws shifts of 12 hours had to be regarded as routine. If the armor wasn't worn, it wouldn't protect. The armor had to be concealed from police supervisor casual inspection and couldn't spoil the manly image of the patrol cop. Marketing literature stressed comfort and maintaining surprise "because when the criminal sees the armor, he shoots for the head." Police motorcycle helmets were still a new thing at the time and the standard headgear was a billed "saucer" cap (how military!) or a Smokey the Bear campaign hat or sometimes a variation of the cowboy hat. Baseball caps outside of SWAT were "unprofessional" and ballistic helmets--or helmets of any sort--were off police radar outside of riot duty. I believe that the main reason Davis opted for low profile body armor was so that his police customers could wear the armor without being labeled a coward by their peers and superiors. Ridicule is a career killer--and so no more customers!
I wore my body armor underneath my security guard uniform shirts when working as an unarmed security guard. I was licensed in four states, one state at a time, and my posts were often isolated enough that I was the only human in an industrial park or at a construction site or a rural site. Or I would be working in a crowded retail establishment, possibly manning an access point. I did pull motor patrols, driving miles between several client sites in a company vehicle. The armor was there so that if I had to make a run for it, my vitals were protected--a little. Rich Davis was shot in the head and leg. Fortunately, the .25 caliber bullets didn't penetrate anything vital. How's your field medicine? In a bugout situation, who is your surgeon? The armor helps, but it is limited. Davis designed his Second Chance body armor to protect the vitals of police officers from the fire of Saturday Night Specials--then regarded as the main threat. I'd argue knives, but I'm just an ordinary fool and not part of any think tank. Hundreds of law enforcement officers survived being shot in the back or in the front of the chest while wearing Rich Davis Second Chance vests. Problem--"What are you wearing a vest for? Do you plan on getting shot?" The stigma is less than in the past--except for mall cops!
Today, many police agencies have overt body armor as part of their patrol uniform--not just tactical teams, either. Helmets are still not universal issue--yet. For that matter, not all police have gas masks in their patrol car. I was never a sworn law enforcement officer but one five-year security guard contract required me to wear a gas mask in its carrier while on duty (12.5 hour shifts) and at the end of the contract we also wore rifle-proof body armor with PASTG helmet during those entire shifts on many access control posts due to the threat level. That was one reason our posts were NOT attacked--wearing all of that crap convinced the enemy that their attacks would not be successful. I cheated and wore concealable body armor when I was the arms room crew (I was the contract's armorer) and when my overt body armor was inappropriate, but I recognized that my armor had limited protective qualities.
Steve, my late brother, was a Utah Highway Patrol officer and a Secret Service Agent and when we discussed gear, he set me straight on agency policies regarding helmets and gas masks. "We don't dress up as storm troopers, it scares the people we work for." Besides, automobile seats are not designed for wearing body armor and gas mask carriers. In my car I cannot even wear a baseball cap without occasionally rubbing against the ceiling--helmets are worse and even in military vehicles the crew positions are NOT designed for armored soldiers. I had trouble enough crewing the M577A2 Tracked Command Post Carrier (M113 variant) wearing full battle rattle. The M113 had been designed when Korean War era flak vests were becoming standard infantry issue, too! Sometimes circumstances dictate NO ARMOR.
For example, California prohibits "civilians" from owning body armor. Wearing body armor can bring additional criminal charges for a routine traffic stop. Never mind that there's a lot of California carjacking going on and that some of these carjackers have fired at fleeing victims as the victims drove off. Rigid plates are going to make long drives very difficult. It's not BODY armor, but up armoring vehicles is a case of every solution creates more problems. On that five year contract our Jeep Cherokee patrol vehicles were fitted with 500-pound armor kits that provided protection against 9mm pistol bullets. I experienced hillbilly armor during Operation Iraqi Freedom II and the up armor kits and factory-installed HMMWV armor plates. Nevada's 1/221st Cav (National Guard) traded its Abrams tanks and Bradley/Devers armored vehicles for up-armored HMMWVs and then swapped out their armored HMMWVs for the support units' soft-skinned HMMWVs because the off-road performance of the armored vehicles was unacceptable. When armored, the HMMWV went from being a 5/4-ton payload to barely a 1/4-ton payload--barely enough for a crew of two soldiers and minimum gear. First problem was expense of the armor. Second problem is weight--increases fuel consumption, decreases range, compromises off-road performance, limits payload, and in Kuwait I had trouble squeezing into Jeep Cherokee driver's seats due to the armored door panels. In my opinion the only two worthwhile bits of the Jeep Cherokee armor kit were the back plate--not adequate for AK fire, but better than nothing--and the cage bolted and welded over the exhaust pipe. The latter made shoving a small bomb up the tailpipe very difficult. The armored HMMWVs had a very necessary air conditioning unit because the windows no longer opened--the doors were as heavy as vault doors, there was a special wrench inside the cab so that the crew could escape after a roll-over or if the door latches jammed, and due to the extra weight those vehicles were sluggish. I could outrun a HMMWV both on the road or cross country when driving an MTV or LMTV even when the 5-ton or 2.5-ton modern military tactical vehicle was up armored and fully loaded due to the bigger vehicle's better power to weight ratio, but those bigger trucks consumed even more diesel than did the HMMWVs and using the big trucks for routine support operations was frowned upon because they were needed for other duties.
Yes, armor has problems. Would you walk ten klicks to avoid being shot or would you wear armor and try running a bullet gauntlet 300 meters long? The choice for chairborne commandos is always easy because their choice isn't between sweating or sweating and bleeding.
It would have to get extremely bad before I bug out. My concern is a get home bag!
something else I want to lay some uncomfortable truths down on
@@unclefreedom213it depends where you are if your around alot of people that’s gonna be harder but if your in a city good luck
My so called bag is a gym bag, ( water filter, fire starter, shelter)
I’ve changed the bug out bag into a get-home bag. I’d rather bug in and defend than bug out. I hate hiking to nowhere.
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Don't forget that Sasquatches don't need boots or a BOB.
1000 rounds is something like 33, 30 round mags. Even split up by 2 and a few 2 qts thats a lot.
True dat!
I don't think most have any idea what they would do. I see the people who practice fitness, mental toughness, and skill, smart decisions are the ones who win the day over those who rely to much on gimmicks.
Also have the gear you have been fully tested?
Bugout bags are strictly for a disaster that threatenes your house and town etc.anything less should be bugged in
Water is 8.37 pounds per gallon, I deal with this at my job. I've also been there and done that,if you know what I mean. I've starved and let me tell people your mind and body don't react the same. Everyone out there has a grandeur notion that it will be like something in a movie. I hate to tell you it sucks real bad.
An easy idea to carry more weight is to purchase a collapsible wagon. Or purchase a used bike you can strap your gear to.
I actually touch this exact topic on an upcoming series the Bags of Preparedness
I have too many bags, including a rush 24, 72 and a few mystery ranch bags. The rush 72 is 6 pounds! 6 lbs right off the bat. It's great for camping and a range bag but damn that thing is a heavy pig
Oh yeah it's heavy and it suffers from oganizational paralysis too many damn pockets but I still love my 24. It's great for what it is but it is not a load bearing pack
@@unclefreedom213 I use my 24 for my work bag. Perfect for that
Bugging out rarely makes sense. A get home bag is much smarter.
the GHB imvideonis loaded up and coming
Funny you used the bubba with sks analogy because thats the big mac eaters and dudes you was talking about 😂😂
I'm from Bama I've seen the trials of the tapco sks in person lmao
I can't bug out, my mother is disabled and I can't leave her behind, so unless a nuclear threat comes I'll just fortify my home and stock it up, bugging out will be a last resort for me.
I'm planning a video dedicated to the Bugging In truths and tips
if you dont have a property to go to ahead of time then bug in
You are correct. Most can't even read a compass and map..most are fat and do not know how it feels to ruck some weight. Many just practice flat range shooting. Shooting and running with ruck is a whole different ball game..
Yep my favorite drill to make guys do when I teach DMR or or LRS stuff is make them drop in the prone with their ruck and everything on. Then I leave them there for 10 minutes ish and ask them how it feels people start changing gear at once
Don’t plan to shoot with a ruck your not supposed to fight with a ruck anyway if your fighting with a Ruck you already messed up
yeah that's only true in training and patrol pack outfits In the world's I spoke of your ruck is scrimmed out too. if you drop on a movement to the prone you don't have time to ditch a ruck it's just a part if the landscape with you. Now if we're say reacting to ambush you would be correct drop and fight off it
Unless "bug out" means "get the hell back home", youre gonna get clapped.
Your whole 3 part lecture, makes BUGOUT IMPOSSIBLE…. just the water supply , especially for a family Checks off the CANNOT DO box….
At best, you need a 4x4 with auxiliary 40 gallon tank, a secluded getaway, that is used often, off grid power, a well, and a deep cold cellar.
I have over a years supply at Home. I am not going anywhere.
At the request of many a truths if bugging in is soon to come
I need a big out double cheeseburgers because i am on meal team 6
ALL Kidding aside, I have water, food, ammo, armor, etc…
WHAT IS YOUR BUG IN ADVICE?
Oh that's coming don't you worry
Eberlestock ftw
He claims GPS can be "tracked" can anyone explain this further? Im under the impression if your GPS device is a receiver only that its not able to be tracked.... am I wrong?
Anything acting as a receiver for satellite data can be tracked and spoofed unless it is encrypted which none of the civilian models are. If you are using a satellite to provide location to your GPS then the people in charge of those satellites can view your location as well including your phones
No point in “bugging out” when I already live in the middle of nowhere. We have get home bags, in case I’m in town when the shit goes down.
why'd they shoot on 3?
Get ready for long pork dinners people 😮😮😮😮
Bug out is very simple. Stuck of $100 bills and leave before shtf. Everything else is stupid and extremely likely to fail
True but most real SHTF situations that could take us down would rarely be known outside of top tier government. We can watch for the signs and try to interpret them to give us an edge but truly by the time we realize we're screwed it'll be too late. Kind of a frog in the pot of water
Gunmag warehouse LMFAO 😂😂😂 your fucking joking I hope.
That company if they were drowning I'd help by giving them a glass of water 🌊🌊
do share I've been ordering from them for years I just get a commission if people use my link outside of that they don't give me anything. I still order from them and magshack alot recently. But if you have Intel lay it on me
20-25 lbs or less...
Bongo
All I hear is that what your complaining about----what do you actually do to "counter" these complaints---are you part of solution?
What your referring to is an INCH bag. Im Never Coming Home. Not a bug out bag. Your premise that people be walking only. A bug out is that you need to leave for a short while and come back. An INCH bag--thats where its a disaster where you cant drive and its utter chaos.
I have bugged 6 times past 53 years----once because riots, once because flood, 3 hurricanes and one ice storm. I have allways had at least 12 hours of notice except the riot one---when I had 2 hours notice. I have yet to walk more than a mile with my bag. It is mostly a bag of convenience to put in the vehicle. I had to leave for at most 7 days. I use a convertible REI travel backpack----its big and durable and allows for short term carry.
I do have any INCH bag which goes when I did bug out----but that has different items and is way lighter.
METT-TC
A useful acronym for sure but often times used as a catch all when it doesn't completely fit. I see folks try to fit the acronym to the situation sometimes
Bug out bags are dumb. What, are you just going to leave your family behind to fend for themselves?
You dont like 511 do you? Lol
Spastic millennial
who me?? Hahahahaha nah my man Gen X
Long distance backpack camping and hiking is my most expensive hobby. I just finished the rim to rim this spring. NO "tactical" bag is gonna cut it, no matter how much you spent on it.
I tell people all the time that ive spent YEARS fortifying my house and environment, why the hell would i "bug" anywhere ?
I don't agree fully on the tactical bag deal we learned so much from the Alice pack to have folks like Mystery Ranch, Eberlestock and other hunting and climbing brands make tacticak bags with all the oh so amazing features of a thru hikers pack. The 3DAP being issue really opened my eyes