much like the notion that all things being equal, we are a product of our environment. Except we have a fair amount of ability to create or hange our environment such as society. When features of our society supress virtues and inflame vices then it becomes unhealthy or tyranical.
@@goldenhawk9322I don’t think it really is human nature. Given the length it takes to evolve, humans have only recently experienced a life where they didn’t have to fight for their life on a daily basis. We don’t have a defense for apathy because life has only been relatively easy for the majority population of a select few countries in the last century
Probably one of the most important Chomsky videos on youtube. This is really the heart of (humanistic) liberation. I love the idea about 'finding values through democracy'
There are no values to democracy greater than local democracy. It’s useless to try and apply it on a large scale due to inherent need to create factions. That’s why the US government was initially set up as a representative government, not a democratic one.
Nah he's kind of lost it recently. But he gave us 70 years of work so fair enough. Seems like people should stop trotting him out on their show for clicks since he rambles about the world ending far too much these days.
@@CIARUNSITE In what sense did he lose it? He has always emphasized the threat of nuclear war, and recently the threat of environmental catastrophe became perhaps even bigger. He’s doing the same as he did, but now climate change became more prominent.
@@CIARUNSITE And 2 days ago, the Ukrainian missiles landing in Poland prove him right. Chomsky is the greatest intellectual still alive but it's ok if you can't stand the way he talks now. He is a very old man but to this day, I am still hearing this young man (polite or shy we never knew) who stood up for Vietnam.
@@utilitymonster8267 But it was as part of a larger message that retained hope. His old age has removed that and just left the doom and gloom. This is completely reasonable for someone of his age, but it's not nearly as powerful as his older work.
Americans are only recently discovering they do not live in a real democracy. I find the US presidential election process in particular quite apalling.
Many scholars, such as Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and even Socrates were very distrustful of democracy for a reason. Vast majority of voters in open democracies are woefully under educated, or have been intentionally misled.
@@joenelson3375 yes, exactly...just look at the bell curve and realize that avg isn't too bright, then remember that half the population is below that....
Most have known. They are just passive and use the excuse at least we don’t have the other guy. “No one is more conservative then a liberal who’s got their way” and conservatives just suck.
It's very easy to agree with his morality. But it's easy to agree with most people's morality when you really listen. Kim Jong Un probably has strong morals that would largely sound like yours or mine. We start to argue when we get to the politics and policies which will attain our shared goals.
@@subsonic9854 Okay, but what's your point? We all have disagreements, especially about specific policies and tactics. But at the foundation of all of that is the core conviction that a democratic world is desirable and attainable. No one agrees with everything someone else believes. We all have our differences and that's great. What democracy would do is allow us to hash out our differences in an arena where each of us have equal say, equal opportunity to influence the outcome, instead of the fake "democracy" we have now where we have 2 options but those options are predetermined by other people. Just admit it. Wherever else we may disagree, Chomsky is 100% correct here.
@@subsonic9854 Also, if you have to compare Noam Chomsky to Kim Jong Un in order to cast doubt on Chomsky's ideas, then that just shows how far you have to reach, which in turn shows how strong Chomsky's arguments are. :)
DerMacDuff I know English and Spanish but have some difficulty understanding his pronunciation. If someone can help me with that I may be able to do the Spanish subs and add them to the video!
Hi, I am translating this clip to Arabic and I was wondering if anyone can explain to me what the interviewer says at 3:10 as I am having difficulties hearing him. Thanks in advance!
DerMacDuff jeez just translate it to ‘stupid’ so that people who blindly support right wing conservatives andddd left wing democrats.Hence those who STILL follow trump and those who say that Clinton and Obama are the answer.Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that BOTH parties are corrupt to the core
He certainly has a way of getting his views across that I, and I believe many people, aren't able to. If only there were more people such as Chomsky to give talks and speeches on such important issues.
I like the way Jesus Christ spoke, and in 3 years He was able to make an impact on the world that no else has done since or will do in the future. Chomsky talks and has no answers really, leaves many questions unanswered, I understand, you can philosophy what you like and we all love that, but life is very pragmatic.... talking does not make a living, work does , educate your self, if you want to work, make a living you study get an education then work and not live off the STATE ... Humans seem to be unable to make this planet a better place and more and more we are drowning in a moral downturn and into a more and more lawless society where all rules are oke....
You mean like the alleged Jesus who made false promises and failed at even being a prophet, assuming that what was written about him in the NT is ever remotely true. That and the fact that the larger Christianity is, the less happy Christians are. "The no answers" comment really means no answers you like since you are pro tyranny, and any anarchist is against tyranny.
To be honest the only voting power we have is with our money.... so much fluff people buy because swayed by propaganda. The only necessities are cars, houses, clothes, food and within that we can change it all.
@@kyleganse4978 I wouldn't say that cars are a necessity. A mode of transportation is necessary, obviously, but there's no reason for cars to be the only one.
@@kyleganse4978 this is so true. Our spending combined with our words is the true power we could wield via our Unity, but scammers like Chomsky and Obama ensure division and confusion. They are probably both CIA operatives.
Professor Chomsky is one of the most important people of our time. He is incredibly wise, not only smart. People will praise his words for centuries. From what I've seen and heard from him so far, impressed me very much. He is there where I would expect to see a wise man and he is years or even decades ahead of the time. He is talking about the issues where I would expect a wise man to voice his mind. I praise him so much right now because he hits the score marks, like I've rarely seen. It's incredible that we have a professor like Chomsky in this world.
😊 You’ll need a philosophical knowledge in order to have a reasoning, logical (truth), ethics and epistemology or else people will be in trouble in life due to ignorance of the truth and believing the superstition
We're busy exercising our freedom to not vote, buy useless things which will soon be obsolete, rent bodies and minds to our overlords, and get increasingly smaller hits of dopamine from commenting on online media platforms. The best part is that the ruling class is doing exactly the same thing, just more!
YEs, the sad part is he doesn't talk as MUCH about this as he used to. He mostly just criticizes and a few times when asked he's said the problems are so bad that its not worth talking about 'idealized states', when I think thats when its most important. And thats what he was best at, there's no lack of people criticizing foreign and domestic policy.
Well said, and basically common sense for any feeling human being. I find it difficult to understand that this rather moderate and carefully formulating man is painted as a leftist extremist in the USA.
It is not so surprising actually. He is a threat to the establishment, so it is better to paint him as a Commu or extremist or whatever fear mongering profile is popular at the time.
bbkingzor It's quite amusing that American right wingers who claim to hate the government, unwittingly regurgitate Cold War McCarthyite propaganda that came from their bloody government. The irony.
Maga Laan *When one has been in the dark for a long time, any form of light feels aggressive.* Of course Chomsky isn't a leftist extremist. Such accusation reminds me of what a centrist friend of mine once said: to those on the far left, I'm on the extreme right; to those on the far right, I'm on the extreme left.
@@michaelsmith8665 No, we're not listening. He doesn't just want us to buy tickets to his lectures. He wants us to get ORGANIZED. He wants there to be a MASS MOVEMENT to challenge power and demand democratization. Sitting and listening to Chomsky for an hour and a half is not "acting". And sure, you're technically listening to him speak but you're not taking his words to heart if you're not actively organizing. And I'm not saying I'm any better than you, I just realize what we need to do. We need to use our numbers to antagonize the wealthy and powerful. That's Chomsky's message. I'm sure Chomsky appreciates the patronage but there's extremely important, hard work to be done. I can't do it, you can't do it. No one can do it alone. It can only happen if we get together and make an unbreakable commitment to each other, if we're all mutually invested in each other's success and failure. If we have solidarity.
4:19 What a great and clear answer to a question that's common in many different forms. (For a moment, it seems like Chomsky is straying away from the interviewer's question, but he comes right back to it.) "Why is freedom, or cooperation, actually all that important?" Because a society that doesn't value those creates innumerable other problems.
The Crisis of Democracy is essentially a crisis of profitability. That's a genuine crisis with material consequences in a society where production and distribution is structured as it is in ours. That wasn't always true in society. It wasn't always true that the economy ground to a halt absent the prospect of profit or even of growth more generally. In fact, I suspect that this is a peculiar feature of a system that has only developed over the last 200 or 250 years, although it has roots in the preceding period of colonial expansion and competition among nation states. If the production and circulation of life necessities were decoupled from the prospect of profit or growth, the Crisis of Democracy as it was spelled out at the advent of neoliberalism would cease to be a general crisis. But that decoupling would require the revocation of rights that are now considered sacred in much the same way as the divine right of kings once was. It's a serious problem.
What a great insight: You can’t have real democracy without democracy at the workplace. Fully agree. By the way, look around you, who makes all this stuff, from everything we use, eat, drive etc. It’s made by workers! Our infrastructure, roads, cars, housing, etc. And, the State contribution is absolutely immense, the Internet, computer technology, etc. Read for example. Mariana Mazzucato’s book “The Entrepreneurial State, in which she lists 100 or more government agencies, University labs, etc. research facilities that account for an outstanding amount of products, innovative technologies. And, the private sector uses it all and portrays themself selfs, as indispensable.
I've known of Chomsky for ages, but I never really delved deep into him until quite literally this week (I had been going hard on trying to examine Marxism... and while there is definitely value in Marxian thought, it's just so dense and rigid). That being said, what he's expressing here is what I've been thinking for ages.... he just articulates my thoughts so presciently.
Same here. Chomsky is the peak of mental liberation, in my mind. Nobody starts with Chomsky, they start with people far less "extreme" who don't offend our preconceived notions so much. But once you finally reach Chomsky, you realize just how deep the indoctrination really is. I started deep diving into Chomsky in the past few months. But my first experience with him was about 10 years ago, I thought he was far too radical. But no. He's literally just describing the world when you wipe away the propaganda and systemic indoctrination you experience basically from birth. Pretty much everyone I know who follows Chomsky agrees: they all saw him early on but we're immediately turned off because his attacks on our preconceived notions were too strong. In order to understand Chomsky, it seems that other people need to attack your preconceived notions first.
To have listened to Noam Chomsky speaking on various socio-political and also academic issues is the most significant experience of mine at age 76 living in a small town in Assam in India .
What a decent, caring, brilliant human being. His analysis is so well explained, he should be invited to comment by every network when they pose the politicos. The average US citizen deserves to understand the implications of what they support. He is super pro democracy, anti the intrusive plagues that assail it. Noam’s positions are on TH-cam decade by decade in his adult life and he never varies from having a clear analysis that ie well explained.
Love it, échos another smart man Ray Dalio who basically champions constant open minded communication. Society can’t flourish without people cooperating and protecting each other from themselves.
Professor Noam Chomsky... you are predicting what happens in are future of society....the problem is are planet is ready under that structure, and people whit power maybe don't care, and yes humanity is in big problem, l hope people like you make, people like mi and others make understand what is the reality, but unfortunately don't completely..the future generations have the job to change that or is to late.👍👍👍🤝🌍🌎🌏
For people who live day by day... like me... is.... save my money ..... More l can , do the right thing, work, hard.. respect, the law, the people, the ecosystem, have this 😄...and love. that is democracy.... the other is are simply illusion.... life is the most beautiful thing we have.🦁😀.
Relevance of talk! Conscious work on inner psyche is biggest challenge for society that gets excited with psychosis, conflicts, chaos, scapegoating, mobbing and provocations. It is undiagnosed issues of social abnorm that are considered as norms. Other is greed, rigidity ,manipulation of history or information and profiting at expense of lives.
"...Groups form in which people can join together, can share their concernes, can articulare their ideas, gain a response, can discover what they think, can discover what they believe, what their values are. This can't be impose on you from above, this have to be discovered by experiment, by effort, by trial, by application and so on. And this has to be done with others. Futhermore, surely, central to human nature is the need to be engaged with others in cooperative efforts of solidarity and concern. That can only happen, by definition, in group structures. "
@Joseph Autumn It is very unfortunate that our society is not conducive to Chomsky's method of communicating ideas. The only way that anyone can actually have their ideas heard by the public is to get up on stage and make a lot of noise. There is no intellectualism surrounding it. There can be no immediate questioning or reasoned debate. Either the people like what they hear at face value, or they don't, and that's the end of it. People just don't have an opportunity to seriously talk about anything or consider the practical implications of different ideas. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how. Only the privileged elites have that luxury. That is precisely why capitalist democracy becomes mob rule, and why academics inherently seem like elitists. It's not actually inherent. Elitists are just the only ones capable of becoming academics the majority of the time. If education was open to all, then we could all seek elite academia. That would mean that everyone would be capable of organizing society. Great! Democracy would work as intended then! But as long as the system relies on the existence of uneducated workers and mindless consumers, we will receive information in the form of government propaganda and corporate marketing, not science and philosophy. Knowledge is power, and power is always hoarded by the powerful.
@@leftisttroll2217 There's nothing wrong with "uneducated workers." Chomsky says the greatest minds in anarchism were "illiterate Spanish peasants." You don't need to go to school to know what's wrong with society or what to do about it.
By re-examining the values that undergird our current political, cultural and social systems and re-aligning them to draw from our inherent compassionate natures (as opposed to our other inherent greedy, selfish and self-destructive tendencies) is truly the only way societial reform will come about on a large-scale. Change how people feel and think and you can change the world.
"Individuals should be free from the cohersion of the concentrated Power" - Chomsky. So the question arises, are we really free when we make the desicions? We precieve them as the sosciety wants us to precieve them so how could you prove to youself that you free when are in the system? Can you escape self-deception?
+Lakris A Self Deception is a personal battle, when one overcomes this they start to realise their own thoughts even if imposed upon them in the past need to be put aside when making the best choice in a given situation.
I am fairly new to politics but my opinion would be that in a democracy we are given the illusion that we are making decisions and have a voice that matters. However the system is designed so that whichever decisions we make, our Illusion of control, is a decision that will inevitably bring riches to the same corporations that are really in control of what happens in this world. Multiple options that all end with the same answer. Multi-national corporation greed.
+Lakris A Derrida would say objectivity is impossible. Then again, to make a decision as yourself, to make a decision the way you want to make it, is to respect the factors that contributed to who you are today, bias and all as they are part of who you are. If you were to try to strip away those subjective factors, you would be stripping away at your identity.
Aethion You make very good points, however I think that your concept of a "true" self underneath social conditioning is questionable. What you describe in finding this "true" self seems to me to be more of self-formation, that is, deciding who you will become as opposed to who you are right now. Of course, it is true that you can have a hand in deciding who you will be, and introspection is a powerful tool in that. As you point out, it can even overcome powerful social conventions. However, my argument is that even this choice in the process of becoming is grounded solely in who you are right now. I believe, however, that I believe that determinism and free-will are perfectly compatible. This can be demonstrated through a simple thought experiment. Imagine if I were to scan you with my magic-prediction-generator-90000 (patent pending) and predict all of your future decisions and actions (even those that reject conditioned social norms). Does the fact that I can predict, in advance, your decisions take away from the fact that they are, in fact, your decisions? My intuition, and I think you'll agree, is no. Your free will, as it were, is directly programmed into the prediction generator. In the same way, the deterministic atoms that make us up act the same as this generator. They are in the process of calculating our own free will. We are programmed, hard-wired, to act out the process of our free will. As Sartre said, we are condemned to be free. I take issue with your claim that there is no fertile ground for true identity, but more in the usage of "true" as a modifier. I don't think there is any such thing as identity independent from background. If that is what you mean by true identity, I agree. However, the identities that we all have are true in the sense that they are the product of our own decisions, given who we are, where we come from, and how that has affected us. That seems to be a true identity inasmuch as an identity can be. (P.S. you seem to come from a postmodern background. I'm analytic, so that may contribute to any different conclusions.)
The real problem is people that don't care and are to lazy to see and read what really is happening, special younger people have not a clue what is going on for they are being brainwashed and swallow every thing what is presented to them by so called professors who are humanistic and communist thinkers and hate capitalism. many people don't even vote but come on You tube with their opinion. Get involved if not......you will pay a price for freedom if you are not willing to pay that price you will be enslaved by government and big business.... Chomsky just talks he talks from a humanist perspective and lull you into his belief system w that works hand in hand with NWO
To be functional, as the professor suggests,democracy ought to be strong/ empowered at the local level and to develop a consensus on how much power they want to surrender to the federation.
The ambitious will always control the content and distribution of information and through that, the population. The democracy that Chomsky speaks about is incompatible with human group behavioral dynamics.
What's Chomsky is calling for requires a far higher level of engagement by the general public. Most people simply don't want to spend their lives as policy wonks. They'd be better off but a lack of engagement happens in all systems not just capitalism.
Without a doubt people's mentality/mindset is shaped by the economic system, this is especially true in the United States. People do not realize it because it influences their thoughts, personalities and way of life in insidious ways. Values and morals always relate back to the economic system or money. We could definitely use more humane values not influenced by capitalism.
What's interesting is that these ideas where not completely dismissed by people in the mainstream. At least they where entertained. Today these ideas would be dismissed as conspiratorial thinkning. It does seaps in through cracks in the internet, but still..
Every social things differs from A society to B society. Although every single of them effects each other. In this video Chomsky certainly talks about American democracy. It’s not the European democracy or other places like Turkiye
We have thousands of years of years of recorded history. It is not as if we awoke and learned to live yesterday. It was never this dire until quite recently. So what changed??
Fantastic question. Its one I first asked to the MIT professor that told me about it. His reply was along the lines of 'Any system, whether the human brain, a cafe, a lizard, a jungle, or stars, have a 'manager' or an entity which manages it in some way, whether gravity, the brain, the population fluctuations etc. To a system of 7 billion humans, given that we are humans, the managers are shaed by the system...create a system that rewards good behaviour, then you get politicans that cant make money from couruppiton, but have to serve the people.' Moreover, today we do not even need a president if we want to manage society, all we need are computers, given that all desisons are essencially yes or no, yes to this policy no to that, and computers with their immense computing capacity can easily do this. Im not saying we need a utopia based on computers, but one suggestion is this. At the core, a manager is a system itself, and that can be configured too, through feedback.
But many political and social issues need active debate before we can reach a conclusion. How can a computer decide it! But you are right we can reward good behaviour. But how to define good behaviour.! Who will decide good behaviour! But in order to do that we need to mobilise people to dismantle the current system. Current system of state power is very difficult to dismantle, though not impossible. It takes guts to leave your job and start mobilising the masses. But masses will ask is there a gaurantee that a new system I am supporting will bear any fruits. We need a team of like minded people. We need a strong sense of belief in the ideas. The ideas which we want to materialise in the form of people controlled voluntary participatory democracy.
I agree with Chomsky on a lot of things. Coming back to this I have to question this unflinching belief in democracy. It’s like one of the things that sounds good to say but in reality it’s very different. So many things have to be in place and reinforced if democracy was to have a chance. 1 being objective education. A population full if ignorant people where facts are ignored because of personal beliefs can’t possibly come together for the greater good. Tribalism has to be discouraged at every turn or see the human species as 1 tribe which sounds ridiculous in trying to accomplish. Imaginary lines in the ground, ethnicity, religion etc serve to divide people so much that they will kill each other. That’s not even touching money and politics. Seems to me democracy is a failed experiment.
Actually the reasons have been from BOTH sides of hte political spectrum. You could argue that BOTH are organizing only about specific cases of the state's domination, rather than the state itself. So they are closer than you think.
The greatest Jewish man alive, long may he live. Some other Jewish people, some people from Israel and Zionists should listen to him, and listen closely !
Love Noam. Could it not be argued that capitlist competitiveness is also natural human expression (or at least a component of human nature)? We race and compete. The corporation's tendancy to be pathological could (should) be addressed, but is humanity without restraint for others a natural human condition - even though short sighted. This exactly why the environment is being destroyed. Humans are challenged to think beyond themselves, beyond their life span. I think noam would argue that the common denominator self interest is a product of the capitalist culture.
What is is what is "natural." "Natural" then is a special condition that applies to human activities. I see no problem with it being "natural" that large portions of a society can coalesce and agree on general policies that benefit the race. Are we to say that if we take a wrong turn due to greed and avarice of a few, we are incapable of coping with "nature." Nature being merely what is and is likely to be has no stock in dictating what is "right"for us to be doing. You can say this and still be a lover of nature.
Obviously, capitalism expresses some part of human nature, but if it expresses the heart of human nature, humanity is doomed. Greed, domination, and deceit are primary values under capitalism; if these values are also the core of human nature then there is no hope for a flourishing of democracy and freedom.
Actually, corporations are the biggest leechers at the governments teet. Chomsky has also documented that. "socialize risk, privatize profit" is essentially the mantra of the corporate sector. So those who PREACH competition only want it for OTHERS, not themselves. "All for us, none for anybody else" as Chomsky has said. Competition would have meant the financial collapse wouls have wiped out many businesses, but THEY got bailed out. Coke and pepsi don't even BOTHER competiing with one another, as most of their business now isn't even in their soda.
I would argue it is not a base instinct of man, considering the many civilizations that existed based on communal structures i.e. pre-colonial North America. "Human Nature" is a product of the conditions we live in, it is not pre-ordained and unable to be changed, in fact it changes constantly as a result of the conditions we live in.
"Reduce them to apathy and obedience." That's exactly what's happened.
much like the notion that all things being equal, we are a product of our environment. Except we have a fair amount of ability to create or hange our environment such as society. When features of our society supress virtues and inflame vices then it becomes unhealthy or tyranical.
@@goldenhawk9322I don’t think it really is human nature. Given the
length it takes to evolve, humans have only recently experienced a life where they didn’t have to fight for their life on a daily basis. We don’t have a defense for apathy because life has only been relatively easy for the majority population of a select few countries in the last century
@@goldenhawk9322century of the self
Probably one of the most important Chomsky videos on youtube. This is really the heart of (humanistic) liberation. I love the idea about 'finding values through democracy'
@Frog King I think you mean college libtards, not librards.
There are no values to democracy greater than local democracy. It’s useless to try and apply it on a large scale due to inherent need to create factions. That’s why the US government was initially set up as a representative government, not a democratic one.
93 years strong and still sharp minded!!
Nah he's kind of lost it recently. But he gave us 70 years of work so fair enough. Seems like people should stop trotting him out on their show for clicks since he rambles about the world ending far too much these days.
@@CIARUNSITE In what sense did he lose it? He has always emphasized the threat of nuclear war, and recently the threat of environmental catastrophe became perhaps even bigger. He’s doing the same as he did, but now climate change became more prominent.
@@CIARUNSITE And 2 days ago, the Ukrainian missiles landing in Poland prove him right.
Chomsky is the greatest intellectual still alive but it's ok if you can't stand the way he talks now. He is a very old man but to this day, I am still hearing this young man (polite or shy we never knew) who stood up for Vietnam.
@@utilitymonster8267 But it was as part of a larger message that retained hope. His old age has removed that and just left the doom and gloom. This is completely reasonable for someone of his age, but it's not nearly as powerful as his older work.
If people had been smart enough to understand what he said. "They" would have killed him decades ago.
This man is literally the symbol of intellectualism and human integrity.
Explain his "human integrity" as he sells his snake oil economics to poor labor ?
@@chtomlin is that your question? explain human integrity? Shouldn't you be the one explaining snake oil "economics" ? Whatever that means.
@@hrob6381 snake oil economics is when you try to sell the idea that only materials and labor go into the sale of an item on the free market.
@@chtomlin what exactly are you saying he has, or hasn't propagated?
@@hrob6381 I'm saying he is often cited for his lack of understanding on the value of labor.
May that man live happily for many more years
I’m so sad that he’s gone now
what do you mean bro ? He’s alive still!
@@phivrl2074 oh. google said he died.
100 years ahead of all of us.
Literally. Dude’s like 150
Rather than him being a 1000 years ahead of his time, let's hope you're right
Americans are only recently discovering they do not live in a real democracy. I find the US presidential election process in particular quite apalling.
so true about the US scandal Presidential election.
Many scholars, such as Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and even Socrates were very distrustful of democracy for a reason. Vast majority of voters in open democracies are woefully under educated, or have been intentionally misled.
@@joenelson3375 yes, exactly...just look at the bell curve and realize that avg isn't too bright, then remember that half the population is below that....
Most have known. They are just passive and use the excuse at least we don’t have the other guy. “No one is more conservative then a liberal who’s got their way” and conservatives just suck.
@@chtomlin but we know that’s intentional
I wish the United States government was composed of more people like this. The system has failed 😞
Thank you Professor. You are our modern intellectual mage. The man who sees things for the way they truly are. And it's so so very much appreciated.
the more you educate yourself the more you agree with Dr Chomsky and don't matter what side you are.
go outside and talk to some people. you'll realise how wrong he is.
It's very easy to agree with his morality. But it's easy to agree with most people's morality when you really listen. Kim Jong Un probably has strong morals that would largely sound like yours or mine. We start to argue when we get to the politics and policies which will attain our shared goals.
@@user-ej3jy6eg6h That's not an argument. Why do you feel the need to attack Chomsky but you don't even have anything to attack him with? lol Weak
@@subsonic9854 Okay, but what's your point? We all have disagreements, especially about specific policies and tactics. But at the foundation of all of that is the core conviction that a democratic world is desirable and attainable. No one agrees with everything someone else believes. We all have our differences and that's great. What democracy would do is allow us to hash out our differences in an arena where each of us have equal say, equal opportunity to influence the outcome, instead of the fake "democracy" we have now where we have 2 options but those options are predetermined by other people.
Just admit it. Wherever else we may disagree, Chomsky is 100% correct here.
@@subsonic9854 Also, if you have to compare Noam Chomsky to Kim Jong Un in order to cast doubt on Chomsky's ideas, then that just shows how far you have to reach, which in turn shows how strong Chomsky's arguments are. :)
Someone has to translate this in several different languages.
DerMacDuff I know English and Spanish but have some difficulty understanding his pronunciation. If someone can help me with that I may be able to do the Spanish subs and add them to the video!
Romina V. I can take you up on that if you're still interested, and give you a transcript
I did my part, now time to share :)
Hi,
I am translating this clip to Arabic and I was wondering if anyone can explain to me what the interviewer says at 3:10 as I am having difficulties hearing him. Thanks in advance!
DerMacDuff jeez just translate it to ‘stupid’ so that people who blindly support right wing conservatives andddd left wing democrats.Hence those who STILL follow trump and those who say that Clinton and Obama are the answer.Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that BOTH parties are corrupt to the core
Leader of the free world in my opinion..
Somewhat ironic...
He certainly has a way of getting his views across that I, and I believe many people, aren't able to. If only there were more people such as Chomsky to give talks and speeches on such important issues.
Leader of the nonexistent free world...
I like the way Jesus Christ spoke, and in 3 years He was able to make an impact on the world that no else has done since or will do in the future.
Chomsky talks and has no answers really, leaves many questions unanswered, I understand, you can philosophy what you like and we all love that, but life is very pragmatic.... talking does not make a living, work does , educate your self, if you want to work, make a living you study get an education then work and not live off the STATE ...
Humans seem to be unable to make this planet a better place and more and more we are drowning in a moral downturn and into a more and more lawless society where all rules are oke....
You mean like the alleged Jesus who made false promises and failed at even being a prophet, assuming that what was written about him in the NT is ever remotely true. That and the fact that the larger Christianity is, the less happy Christians are. "The no answers" comment really means no answers you like since you are pro tyranny, and any anarchist is against tyranny.
We're being controlled and manipulated from birth to death. Bread and circuses, folks. Bread and circuses.
To be honest the only voting power we have is with our money.... so much fluff people buy because swayed by propaganda. The only necessities are cars, houses, clothes, food and within that we can change it all.
@@kyleganse4978 I wouldn't say that cars are a necessity. A mode of transportation is necessary, obviously, but there's no reason for cars to be the only one.
And pornography
@@kyleganse4978 this is so true. Our spending combined with our words is the true power we could wield via our Unity, but scammers like Chomsky and Obama ensure division and confusion. They are probably both CIA operatives.
Professor Chomsky is one of the most important people of our time. He is incredibly wise, not only smart. People will praise his words for centuries.
From what I've seen and heard from him so far, impressed me very much. He is there where I would expect to see a wise man and he is years or even decades ahead of the time. He is talking about the issues where I would expect a wise man to voice his mind.
I praise him so much right now because he hits the score marks, like I've rarely seen. It's incredible that we have a professor like Chomsky in this world.
Thank you MR Chomsky you are a living legend...I watched an interview last week on the Ukraine war...
Best human being alive...
I second that fact.
Agreed.
odd how people like this Noam can charm the naive....
@@chtomlin Revealing how Chomsky's enemies can never come up with a convincing rebuttal to his arguments.
@@michaelsmith8665 Interesting given Chomsky isn't close to a legit claim to rebut...
a true wizard of our times.
he has wisdom, honesty and selflessness to be considered a wise man, a wizard.
😊 You’ll need a philosophical knowledge in order to have a reasoning, logical (truth), ethics and epistemology or else people will be in trouble in life due to ignorance of the truth and believing the superstition
He's been talking about this for years and the people have not done anything to change the reality of the situation we have today. It's very sad.
We're busy exercising our freedom to not vote, buy useless things which will soon be obsolete, rent bodies and minds to our overlords, and get increasingly smaller hits of dopamine from commenting on online media platforms.
The best part is that the ruling class is doing exactly the same thing, just more!
Not true. The people are more active now on a wider range of issues than ever before in U.S. history. Chomsky regularly points this out.
YEs, the sad part is he doesn't talk as MUCH about this as he used to. He mostly just criticizes and a few times when asked he's said the problems are so bad that its not worth talking about 'idealized states', when I think thats when its most important. And thats what he was best at, there's no lack of people criticizing foreign and domestic policy.
Time to inform ourselves, organize and start acting.
Well said, and basically common sense for any feeling human being. I find it difficult to understand that this rather moderate and carefully formulating man is painted as a leftist extremist in the USA.
It is not so surprising actually. He is a threat to the establishment, so it is better to paint him as a Commu or extremist or whatever fear mongering profile is popular at the time.
bbkingzor It's quite amusing that American right wingers who claim to hate the government, unwittingly regurgitate Cold War McCarthyite propaganda that came from their bloody government. The irony.
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*When one has been in the dark for a long time, any form of light feels aggressive.*
Of course Chomsky isn't a leftist extremist. Such accusation reminds me of what a centrist friend of mine once said: to those on the far left, I'm on the extreme right; to those on the far right, I'm on the extreme left.
because you don't understand Freedom and Justice.
Anything not to extreme right in America is a communist. Plus he exposes terrorist Israel and it's daily war crimes
Nobody listened to this great man then....and they’re still not listening
Not true.
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Lots of people are listening . . . and acting. Chomsky's political talks are sold out years in advance to overflow audiences throughout the world.
@@michaelsmith8665 No, we're not listening. He doesn't just want us to buy tickets to his lectures. He wants us to get ORGANIZED. He wants there to be a MASS MOVEMENT to challenge power and demand democratization. Sitting and listening to Chomsky for an hour and a half is not "acting". And sure, you're technically listening to him speak but you're not taking his words to heart if you're not actively organizing. And I'm not saying I'm any better than you, I just realize what we need to do. We need to use our numbers to antagonize the wealthy and powerful. That's Chomsky's message.
I'm sure Chomsky appreciates the patronage but there's extremely important, hard work to be done. I can't do it, you can't do it. No one can do it alone. It can only happen if we get together and make an unbreakable commitment to each other, if we're all mutually invested in each other's success and failure. If we have solidarity.
I miss Bill Moyers so much. Such a good interviewer. Such.a good man. We need so much more of his content.
4:19 What a great and clear answer to a question that's common in many different forms. (For a moment, it seems like Chomsky is straying away from the interviewer's question, but he comes right back to it.) "Why is freedom, or cooperation, actually all that important?" Because a society that doesn't value those creates innumerable other problems.
The Crisis of Democracy is essentially a crisis of profitability. That's a genuine crisis with material consequences in a society where production and distribution is structured as it is in ours. That wasn't always true in society. It wasn't always true that the economy ground to a halt absent the prospect of profit or even of growth more generally. In fact, I suspect that this is a peculiar feature of a system that has only developed over the last 200 or 250 years, although it has roots in the preceding period of colonial expansion and competition among nation states. If the production and circulation of life necessities were decoupled from the prospect of profit or growth, the Crisis of Democracy as it was spelled out at the advent of neoliberalism would cease to be a general crisis. But that decoupling would require the revocation of rights that are now considered sacred in much the same way as the divine right of kings once was. It's a serious problem.
It’s amazing what’s he saying is about innermost.Thanks 🙏🏼.
What A Man 🙏🏼
Lots of respect for this gentleman
so funny to live in Brazil and listen to this....
Brilliant, Hopefully we all will wake up to fragility of the government system, and the illusion of democracy in our times
Great mind.
Exactly what I believe about modern democracy and the limits of electoral democracy
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@@SuperSSystem only 7 dislikes more after 7 month :D
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What a great insight: You can’t have real democracy without democracy at the workplace. Fully agree.
By the way, look around you, who makes all this stuff, from everything we use, eat, drive etc. It’s made by workers! Our infrastructure, roads, cars, housing, etc. And, the State contribution is absolutely immense, the Internet, computer technology, etc. Read for example. Mariana Mazzucato’s book “The Entrepreneurial State, in which she lists 100 or more government agencies, University labs, etc. research facilities that account for an outstanding amount of products, innovative technologies. And, the private sector uses it all and portrays themself selfs, as indispensable.
I've known of Chomsky for ages, but I never really delved deep into him until quite literally this week (I had been going hard on trying to examine Marxism... and while there is definitely value in Marxian thought, it's just so dense and rigid). That being said, what he's expressing here is what I've been thinking for ages.... he just articulates my thoughts so presciently.
Same here. Chomsky is the peak of mental liberation, in my mind. Nobody starts with Chomsky, they start with people far less "extreme" who don't offend our preconceived notions so much. But once you finally reach Chomsky, you realize just how deep the indoctrination really is.
I started deep diving into Chomsky in the past few months. But my first experience with him was about 10 years ago, I thought he was far too radical. But no. He's literally just describing the world when you wipe away the propaganda and systemic indoctrination you experience basically from birth.
Pretty much everyone I know who follows Chomsky agrees: they all saw him early on but we're immediately turned off because his attacks on our preconceived notions were too strong.
In order to understand Chomsky, it seems that other people need to attack your preconceived notions first.
Some people should never die
To have listened to Noam Chomsky speaking on various socio-political and also academic issues is the most significant experience of mine at age 76 living in a small town in Assam in India .
What a decent, caring, brilliant human being. His analysis is so well explained, he should be invited to comment by every network when they pose the politicos. The average US citizen deserves to understand the implications of what they support. He is super pro democracy, anti the intrusive plagues that assail it. Noam’s positions are on TH-cam decade by decade in his adult life and he never varies from having a clear analysis that ie well explained.
Thank You Mr. Chomsky for these enlightening comments...
One of the greatest minds... Cons of manufactured consent and personal gain so eloquently explained!
No wonder elon musk hates him
well duh elon musk is a space weirdo
Source?
@@N0Xa880iULhe made it up
Love it, échos another smart man Ray Dalio who basically champions constant open minded communication. Society can’t flourish without people cooperating and protecting each other from themselves.
what he's talking about is now in progress in Rovaja but the media is blind to it
I finally agree with Chomsky
UnboxViews Now he can sleep soundly
Aldus Huxley got it 100% correct entertainment is the order of the day
Fascinating
Professor Noam Chomsky... you are predicting what happens in are future of society....the problem is are planet is ready under that structure, and people whit power maybe don't care, and yes humanity is in big problem, l hope people like you make, people like mi and others make understand what is the reality, but unfortunately don't completely..the future generations have the job to change that or is to late.👍👍👍🤝🌍🌎🌏
For people who live day by day... like me... is.... save my money ..... More l can , do the right thing, work, hard.. respect, the law, the people, the ecosystem, have this 😄...and love. that is democracy.... the other is are simply illusion.... life is the most beautiful thing we have.🦁😀.
Does anyone know what year this was? I'll scroll down now and see if this has already been answered:)
+geico1975 1988.
Relevance of talk!
Conscious work on inner psyche is biggest challenge for society that gets excited with psychosis, conflicts, chaos, scapegoating, mobbing and provocations. It is undiagnosed issues of social abnorm that are considered as norms. Other is greed, rigidity ,manipulation of history or information and profiting at expense of lives.
Wow! This is amazing!
Beautiful
What a good man.
Only been awoken within last 3 yrs catching up now though!
"...Groups form in which people can join together, can share their concernes, can articulare their ideas, gain a response, can discover what they think, can discover what they believe, what their values are. This can't be impose on you from above, this have to be discovered by experiment, by effort, by trial, by application and so on. And this has to be done with others. Futhermore, surely, central to human nature is the need to be engaged with others in cooperative efforts of solidarity and concern. That can only happen, by definition, in group structures. "
In some countries this train of thought is a blessing……..in others, it is blasphemy!
This guys a fucking treasure.
Democracy's outward appearance is one- person-one-vote. Its REALTY is 1$1vote. The candidate with biggest money always wins.
Noam is right, still West is the best place to be...
My one critique of Chomsky is that he's so soft spoken I can barely hear him on my phone. It's not a very good critique, but there it is.
@Joseph Autumn It is very unfortunate that our society is not conducive to Chomsky's method of communicating ideas. The only way that anyone can actually have their ideas heard by the public is to get up on stage and make a lot of noise. There is no intellectualism surrounding it. There can be no immediate questioning or reasoned debate. Either the people like what they hear at face value, or they don't, and that's the end of it.
People just don't have an opportunity to seriously talk about anything or consider the practical implications of different ideas. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how. Only the privileged elites have that luxury. That is precisely why capitalist democracy becomes mob rule, and why academics inherently seem like elitists. It's not actually inherent. Elitists are just the only ones capable of becoming academics the majority of the time. If education was open to all, then we could all seek elite academia. That would mean that everyone would be capable of organizing society. Great! Democracy would work as intended then!
But as long as the system relies on the existence of uneducated workers and mindless consumers, we will receive information in the form of government propaganda and corporate marketing, not science and philosophy. Knowledge is power, and power is always hoarded by the powerful.
@@leftisttroll2217 There's nothing wrong with "uneducated workers." Chomsky says the greatest minds in anarchism were "illiterate Spanish peasants." You don't need to go to school to know what's wrong with society or what to do about it.
@@michaelsmith8665 but you do need time and a comfortable setting and mental state, which workers are getting less and less
Bill Moyers of PBS interviewing Chomsky.
Verbose. Our system works because we push ahead through fair and unfair and we realize that both need to exist.
ITS THIS SIMPLE FOLKS! Fuckin proportional representation! EASY
The fact that he even asked why more participation and more democracy is the answer for a healthier society is very troubling 4:25
Newsflash Noam...we're a REPUBLIC not a democracy...read up on how it works .
By re-examining the values that undergird our current political, cultural and social systems and re-aligning them to draw from our inherent compassionate natures (as opposed to our other inherent greedy, selfish and self-destructive tendencies) is truly the only way societial reform will come about on a large-scale. Change how people feel and think and you can change the world.
Compassion is not a virtue.
"Individuals should be free from the cohersion of the concentrated Power" - Chomsky. So the question arises, are we really free when we make the desicions? We precieve them as the sosciety wants us to precieve them so how could you prove to youself that you free when are in the system? Can you escape self-deception?
+Lakris A Self Deception is a personal battle, when one overcomes this they start to realise their own thoughts even if imposed upon them in the past need to be put aside when making the best choice in a given situation.
I am fairly new to politics but my opinion would be that in a democracy we are given the illusion that we are making decisions and have a voice that matters. However the system is designed so that whichever decisions we make, our Illusion of control, is a decision that will inevitably bring riches to the same corporations that are really in control of what happens in this world. Multiple options that all end with the same answer. Multi-national corporation greed.
+Lakris A Derrida would say objectivity is impossible. Then again, to make a decision as yourself, to make a decision the way you want to make it, is to respect the factors that contributed to who you are today, bias and all as they are part of who you are. If you were to try to strip away those subjective factors, you would be stripping away at your identity.
Aethion You make very good points, however I think that your concept of a "true" self underneath social conditioning is questionable. What you describe in finding this "true" self seems to me to be more of self-formation, that is, deciding who you will become as opposed to who you are right now. Of course, it is true that you can have a hand in deciding who you will be, and introspection is a powerful tool in that. As you point out, it can even overcome powerful social conventions. However, my argument is that even this choice in the process of becoming is grounded solely in who you are right now. I believe, however, that I believe that determinism and free-will are perfectly compatible. This can be demonstrated through a simple thought experiment. Imagine if I were to scan you with my magic-prediction-generator-90000 (patent pending) and predict all of your future decisions and actions (even those that reject conditioned social norms). Does the fact that I can predict, in advance, your decisions take away from the fact that they are, in fact, your decisions? My intuition, and I think you'll agree, is no. Your free will, as it were, is directly programmed into the prediction generator. In the same way, the deterministic atoms that make us up act the same as this generator. They are in the process of calculating our own free will. We are programmed, hard-wired, to act out the process of our free will. As Sartre said, we are condemned to be free. I take issue with your claim that there is no fertile ground for true identity, but more in the usage of "true" as a modifier. I don't think there is any such thing as identity independent from background. If that is what you mean by true identity, I agree. However, the identities that we all have are true in the sense that they are the product of our own decisions, given who we are, where we come from, and how that has affected us. That seems to be a true identity inasmuch as an identity can be. (P.S. you seem to come from a postmodern background. I'm analytic, so that may contribute to any different conclusions.)
The real problem is people that don't care and are to lazy to see and read what really is happening, special younger people have not a clue what is going on for they are being brainwashed and swallow every thing what is presented to them by so called professors who are humanistic and communist thinkers and hate capitalism. many people don't even vote but come on You tube with their opinion.
Get involved if not......you will pay a price for freedom if you are not willing to pay that price you will be enslaved by government and big business.... Chomsky just talks he talks from a humanist perspective and lull you into his belief system w that works hand in hand with NWO
New everybody including yourself a favor and listen to this man
2020 democracy just keeps getting better 🤪🤪🤪🤪
To be functional, as the professor suggests,democracy ought to be strong/ empowered at the local level and to develop a consensus on how much power they want to surrender to the federation.
Great stuff
Out of curiosity, when was this interview filmed?
OP said 1988 in another comment.
@@laskieg Yes, the last year of the Reagan administration. It was a two-part interview (one hour each) for Moyers' "World of Ideas" on PBS.
Well said Mr Chomsky!
Still waiting for "Chomsky IN democraty"...
The ambitious will always control the content and distribution of information and through that, the population. The democracy that Chomsky speaks about is incompatible with human group behavioral dynamics.
I think most of the problems in the country would be solved if Americans had top notch voter and consumer education
You mean telling (young) people who to vote for and what to buy.
What's Chomsky is calling for requires a far higher level of engagement by the general public. Most people simply don't want to spend their lives as policy wonks. They'd be better off but a lack of engagement happens in all systems not just capitalism.
No tired, no poor, no poem, change the lady in the lake, she was all about that
Without a doubt people's mentality/mindset is shaped by the economic system, this is especially true in the United States. People do not realize it because it influences their thoughts, personalities and way of life in insidious ways. Values and morals always relate back to the economic system or money. We could definitely use more humane values not influenced by capitalism.
What's interesting is that these ideas where not completely dismissed by people in the mainstream. At least they where entertained. Today these ideas would be dismissed as conspiratorial thinkning.
It does seaps in through cracks in the internet, but still..
brilliant
his definition of democracy is identical to my definition of communism.
I cant even get my adult kids to agree which restaurant to go to.
Every social things differs from A society to B society. Although every single of them effects each other. In this video Chomsky certainly talks about American democracy. It’s not the European democracy or other places like Turkiye
We have thousands of years of years of recorded history. It is not as if we awoke and learned to live yesterday. It was never this dire until quite recently. So what changed??
They need to be able to THINK correctly to do that Noam. The public I mean.
Can't really put it any better than that
Noam is the Robin Hood of what is the real true!
Anyone know when and who by this interview was given? Thanks!
You have 2 options.. vote for eating chicken or for eating beef.
What do you do if you’re a vegetarian?
I think he is right but how we can control crime in a society where we give people too much power.
How can we control corruption and disorganisation ?
+Surendar Advani Search Stafford beer and Cybernetics. The objective science of management and organization. :)
In any management or organisation, someone will be assigned a job of a manager and organizer. what if he misuses his or her power!
Fantastic question. Its one I first asked to the MIT professor that told me about it. His reply was along the lines of 'Any system, whether the human brain, a cafe, a lizard, a jungle, or stars, have a 'manager' or an entity which manages it in some way, whether gravity, the brain, the population fluctuations etc. To a system of 7 billion humans, given that we are humans, the managers are shaed by the system...create a system that rewards good behaviour, then you get politicans that cant make money from couruppiton, but have to serve the people.' Moreover, today we do not even need a president if we want to manage society, all we need are computers, given that all desisons are essencially yes or no, yes to this policy no to that, and computers with their immense computing capacity can easily do this. Im not saying we need a utopia based on computers, but one suggestion is this. At the core, a manager is a system itself, and that can be configured too, through feedback.
But many political and social issues need active debate before we can reach a conclusion. How can a computer decide it! But you are right we can reward good behaviour. But how to define good behaviour.! Who will decide good behaviour! But in order to do that we need to mobilise people to dismantle the current system. Current system of state power is very difficult to dismantle, though not impossible. It takes guts to leave your job and start mobilising the masses. But masses will ask is there a gaurantee that a new system I am supporting will bear any fruits. We need a team of like minded people. We need a strong sense of belief in the ideas. The ideas which we want to materialise in the form of people controlled voluntary participatory democracy.
He tells things you should know...
I agree with Chomsky on a lot of things. Coming back to this I have to question this unflinching belief in democracy. It’s like one of the things that sounds good to say but in reality it’s very different. So many things have to be in place and reinforced if democracy was to have a chance. 1 being objective education. A population full if ignorant people where facts are ignored because of personal beliefs can’t possibly come together for the greater good. Tribalism has to be discouraged at every turn or see the human species as 1 tribe which sounds ridiculous in trying to accomplish. Imaginary lines in the ground, ethnicity, religion etc serve to divide people so much that they will kill each other. That’s not even touching money and politics. Seems to me democracy is a failed experiment.
The internet. People now have a say and do organise, albeit for the wrong reasons mostly since 2016. Be careful what you wish for.
Actually the reasons have been from BOTH sides of hte political spectrum. You could argue that BOTH are organizing only about specific cases of the state's domination, rather than the state itself. So they are closer than you think.
Here’s Moyers’ and Chomsky’s full conversation. th-cam.com/video/mEYJMCydFNI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks.🙌
Where can I find this full video?
Can someone tell me when did this interview happen?
Where can I watch the full length?
Hm, interesting to know the origin of manufacturing consent, given I have not read the book.
Watch the documentary, its a hell of a big book:)
When was it recorded please ?
1988
The greatest Jewish man alive, long may he live. Some other Jewish people, some people from Israel and Zionists should listen to him, and listen closely !
Love Noam. Could it not be argued that capitlist competitiveness is also natural human expression (or at least a component of human nature)? We race and compete. The corporation's tendancy to be pathological could (should) be addressed, but is humanity without restraint for others a natural human condition - even though short sighted. This exactly why the environment is being destroyed. Humans are challenged to think beyond themselves, beyond their life span. I think noam would argue that the common denominator self interest is a product of the capitalist culture.
What is is what is "natural." "Natural" then is a special condition that applies to human activities. I see no problem with it being "natural" that large portions of a society can coalesce and agree on general policies that benefit the race. Are we to say that if we take a wrong turn due to greed and avarice of a few, we are incapable of coping with "nature." Nature being merely what is and is likely to be has no stock in dictating what is "right"for us to be doing. You can say this and still be a lover of nature.
Obviously, capitalism expresses some part of human nature, but if it expresses the heart of human nature, humanity is doomed. Greed, domination, and deceit are primary values under capitalism; if these values are also the core of human nature then there is no hope for a flourishing of democracy and freedom.
Actually, corporations are the biggest leechers at the governments teet. Chomsky has also documented that. "socialize risk, privatize profit" is essentially the mantra of the corporate sector. So those who PREACH competition only want it for OTHERS, not themselves. "All for us, none for anybody else" as Chomsky has said. Competition would have meant the financial collapse wouls have wiped out many businesses, but THEY got bailed out. Coke and pepsi don't even BOTHER competiing with one another, as most of their business now isn't even in their soda.
I would argue it is not a base instinct of man, considering the many civilizations that existed based on communal structures i.e. pre-colonial North America. "Human Nature" is a product of the conditions we live in, it is not pre-ordained and unable to be changed, in fact it changes constantly as a result of the conditions we live in.