The reason Joel Embiid is not included in the basketball reference HOF probability list is bc he's only played 328 games and they only included players with over 400 games
@@JayUpSix Shaq was a 4 time all-star and didn't make the NBA 1st team all nba after the top 50 NBA players of all time came out. I don't see why a 3time all NBA player (more then some all time 75 players) couldn't make it
I dont think you should go off of HoF and resume entirely. You have to think also about how happy the teams are with the value of the pick at 3, as well as projecting a bit. Makes sense to say its too early for Mobley, but Luka and Tatum are S. Even if they both only played 2 more seasons the Mavs and Celtics would still make that pick in hindsight 10/10 times.
if lukas career ended today he would be in the hof dont forget what he did with madrid. he has been a pro for quite a while and has an impressive reume
@@tyresemaxeyfan1726 omg stfu dude. In Europe alone he has 1 MVP, 1 euroleague, 1 international cup, 3 leagues and 2 Copas del Rey. Apart from that 3 First team all NBA before turning 23. Multiple all star games. He averages the most points in the playoffs just behind MJ. If they are calling Embiid a HOF a mf who has not even made a conference finals and not a single first team all NBA, then Luka is a lock for the HOF
Good list but there is no way Horford doesn’t deserve at least A tier. Dude has started in 150 playoff games, more than Melo, Gasol AND Harden. He pretty much carrried all Hawks playoff apperances with Joe and Millsap later on Also Luka 100% makes the HoF today (ignoring the 400 games threshold) so he should be S tier even without projecting
Timestamps Jabari Smith Jr. & Evan Mobley 0:57 Al Horford 1:31 RJ Barrett 2:03 Jaylen Brown 2:21 Darius Miles 2:58 Ben Gordon 3:16 James Harden 3:36 LaMelo Ball 3:39 Enes Kanter 3:43 Carmelo Anthony 3:50 Jahlil Okafor 3:54 Jayson Tatum 4:20 Joel Embiid 4:48 Deron Williams 7:02 OJ Mayo 9:45 Derrick Favors 10:12 Adam Morrison 10:18 Mike Dunleavy 10:23 Bradley Beal 10:40 Otto Porter 10:57 Luka Doncic 11:00 Pau Gasol 11:14
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Legit, I think Luka makes the Hall right now. His resume is just as good as Joel if not better. Especially if you consider his international career as well
Luka at A tier is crazy. If we talking about basketball hall of fame and not nba hall of fame, not only does he have an nba rookie of the year, 3x all star and 3x all nba first team, you forgot about his 2x Euroleague Rising star, all Euroleague first team, Euroleague title, Euroleague MVP, Euroleague final 4 MVP, and Eurobasket title.
If Embiid is on the S tier then so is Luka. His level of play the last three seasons is so high that idc about embiid doing it for an extra year or two
@@saiwaqa2573 playing. I’m saying it doesn’t matter if embiid has played for longer bc Luka is so good. So their either equal or Luka is better in an all time if they both retired today
Gotta remember it’s the basketball HOF so Joel’s accomplishments really only started in the NBA and he’s been second fiddle to most bigs of his generation as far as All NBA is considered
In THIS VIDEO Deron Williams is so UNDERRATED, by Kenny's standarts, he needs to be in the A tier, not B and not S, how Bradley Beal is an A tier and Williams not? People forget how good he was in his prime, led his team to a Western Conference Finals, falling only to Duncan and Parker's Spurs, who eventually won the Finals, such a shame people forget about it...
I would have put Horford higher, I think objectively he has had a better career than Tatum at this point in time. Especially when you consider his NCAA accomplishments. I think Tatum definitely projects to be a better player than Horford, but right now I think Horford is at least A tier. Also, no way Embiid gets in the hall right now. These are just my opinions
This is nba, not college so his ncaa accomplishments don’t mean anything, Amd what has horford don’t jt hasn’t, Jt is a 2x defensive team, 3 conference finals runs, 1 finals run
Kenny here's an idea. 1. Spin the wheel for a conference. 2. Trade for a player on each team in that conference using random number generator to see the player you get and give up. 3.if anyone who was originally on the team is still there then spin the wheel of overalls and choose a player of your liking. 4.Then you can rebuild. P.S-use trade override
Brad and Deron got to be the same tier Deron has more all NBA appearances and made the playoffs 9 times to Beals 5. Deron also actually got his team to the playoffs as the best player on the team, while the argument can be made that Beal was never the best on his team. (clearly Wall was the better of the two and Russ has an argument especially considering the efficiency he had at the end of the season)
Kanter is 100% D tier. If you draft a guy at #2, you’re expecting an above average starter at LEAST. Kanter barely started 1/3 of the games he played in his whole career. OJ Mayo is D too. Peaked as a rookie and wasn’t even good before the drug suspension. Kenny got those rose colored glasses for the late 00s.
Kenny, Luka is absolutely a Hall of Famer already based on his NBA career. 23 years old, 4 seasons, and already 3 All-NBA first team selections? There are people in the Hall with less accolades than him.
ngl ill never forget that they robbed jokic that one season of all nba 1st team and gave it to davis who played 36% of the time C and 64% at PF just so he would be on there…..
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I think Embiid is a better player than Tatum, but if you look at what the two of them have acheived so far, especially when you take playoff success into account, I don't think Embiid should be in a higher tier than Tatum.
Kenny, I know the HOF % numbers are objectively bad, but I think the reason for Tyus Jones > Marcus Smart is bc Tyus Jones is a NCAA champion with a MOP of the Final 4. Just a thought, love the vids!
it is too early but man Evan Mobley is gonna be a beast completely overlooked (only by the fans definitely not by the scouts and the teams tho) because he wasn't as flashy as Jalen Green and Cade Cunningham
Considering the basketball hall of fame includes leagues outside the NBA, such as college, I'm guessing that plays a role in Tyus Jones' hall of fame probability being higher than Marcus Smart. I could be wrong though.
Hard to compare purely on the now resume, given how some still need to enter their prime and others are barely in the league for a couple of seasons. That being said, given his pre-NBA career (and the HoF acknowledges college/EuroLeague as legitimate competitions) and his present NBA career, Luka is already a HoF'er.
Thinking that Joel resume as of right now is good enough for the Hall of Fame is actually crazy bruh that’s why there is a bunch of randoms in the Hall of Fame they just be letting anyone in there fr 😂
Kanter being the same tier as RJ kinda proves basing off of how happy the team currently is with the pick for current players could’ve been a fair way to go
Tyus jones won national championship and was final 4 MVP. You forgot to factor in that basketball HOF accounts for all levels even though you mentioned it earlier in the video....lmao
The reason Joel Embiid is not included in the basketball reference HOF probability list is bc he's only played 328 games and they only included players with over 400 games
Other reason also could be lack of accomplishments but yes indeed he still young so we shall see....
@@boydriceisawesome2520 i mean, Terry Rozier is on the list, it’s obviously solely because of the game threshold
@@boydriceisawesome2520 being a 4 time all nba second and a 2 time top 2 mvp candidate is good enough for hof imo
@@GM_Joseph idk fam people say that Blake isnt really a hof and his shi better
@@boydriceisawesome2520 so you are telling me players like terry rozier, tj mcconell are higher on the hall of fame probablity
Luka can probably make basketball hof just with his euro league resume
Defo, people debated if Luka should have made the top 75 💀
@@velimirjuradin8764 that might be a stretch 😂😂😂💀
@@noturiously2k884 If shaq made the top 50 Luka could have made the top 75 🤷
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@@JayUpSix Shaq was a 4 time all-star and didn't make the NBA 1st team all nba after the top 50 NBA players of all time came out. I don't see why a 3time all NBA player (more then some all time 75 players) couldn't make it
I dont think you should go off of HoF and resume entirely. You have to think also about how happy the teams are with the value of the pick at 3, as well as projecting a bit. Makes sense to say its too early for Mobley, but Luka and Tatum are S. Even if they both only played 2 more seasons the Mavs and Celtics would still make that pick in hindsight 10/10 times.
Took the words right out of my mouth
He’s not really ranking third picks by franchises he’s ranking all the players selected third overall in the last 22 years versus each other.
@@hakeemolajujuan3756 the title does say ranking, but I think that tier lists and rankings are different
could argue luka is already hof cause of his career in europe along with already having 3 first all nbas
if lukas career ended today he would be in the hof dont forget what he did with madrid. he has been a pro for quite a while and has an impressive reume
resume
He said this was only about their nba play
@@Bdogg12139 he said the opposite it’s the basketball hall of fame not the nba
He still not making it today give him 5 more years maybe even three he’s a guarantee but still
@@tyresemaxeyfan1726 omg stfu dude. In Europe alone he has 1 MVP, 1 euroleague, 1 international cup, 3 leagues and 2 Copas del Rey. Apart from that 3 First team all NBA before turning 23. Multiple all star games. He averages the most points in the playoffs just behind MJ. If they are calling Embiid a HOF a mf who has not even made a conference finals and not a single first team all NBA, then Luka is a lock for the HOF
Good list but there is no way Horford doesn’t deserve at least A tier. Dude has started in 150 playoff games, more than Melo, Gasol AND Harden. He pretty much carrried all Hawks playoff apperances with Joe and Millsap later on
Also Luka 100% makes the HoF today (ignoring the 400 games threshold) so he should be S tier even without projecting
Well you can say that if your going to ignore stuff
Luka makes the hall of fame already??? He’ll make it for sure but right now?????
I 100% believe that Luka will be a guaranteed hall of famed. That being said, if he retired right now he would not even be close to a hall of famer.
@@nich1892 he would his euro league resume gets him in
Timestamps
Jabari Smith Jr. & Evan Mobley 0:57
Al Horford 1:31
RJ Barrett 2:03
Jaylen Brown 2:21
Darius Miles 2:58
Ben Gordon 3:16
James Harden 3:36
LaMelo Ball 3:39
Enes Kanter 3:43
Carmelo Anthony 3:50
Jahlil Okafor 3:54
Jayson Tatum 4:20
Joel Embiid 4:48
Deron Williams 7:02
OJ Mayo 9:45
Derrick Favors 10:12
Adam Morrison 10:18
Mike Dunleavy 10:23
Bradley Beal 10:40
Otto Porter 10:57
Luka Doncic 11:00
Pau Gasol 11:14
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I'm sorry Kenny Luka is a hofer ALREADY. He was a hall of famer when he was drafted.
exactly
I can tell you didn’t actually watch the video cause at 11:20 he literally says he is already a hof based off of other things other then nba
@@qbincashion8058 he's also a hof based off his first 4 years in the NBA if he's calling Joel a hof already.
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@@Birclek ur right idk how I forgot abt that 😭
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Legit, I think Luka makes the Hall right now. His resume is just as good as Joel if not better. Especially if you consider his international career as well
But his resume is just worse than embiids
@@johanlippus601 not really
@@johanlippus601 only thing embiid has over Luka is all star appearances, dude can't even lead more talented teams past the 2nd round
@@karlbans7393 more all star appearances, more all nba, more all defense, top 2 in mvp 2 years in a row, scoring title
Great video always looks like Kenny puts so much effort into every video
Luka does have a solid argument for S tier because of all his accomplishments overseas because it’s the basketball HOF not just the NBA.
Kenny is ranking them based on their NBA career
@@tristanp5605 still S tier if embiid is S tier
@@Goatedjaden04 I know, but the guy was saying it’s a basketball ball of fame
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Luka at A tier is crazy. If we talking about basketball hall of fame and not nba hall of fame, not only does he have an nba rookie of the year, 3x all star and 3x all nba first team, you forgot about his 2x Euroleague Rising star, all Euroleague first team, Euroleague title, Euroleague MVP, Euroleague final 4 MVP, and Eurobasket title.
If Embiid is on the S tier then so is Luka. His level of play the last three seasons is so high that idc about embiid doing it for an extra year or two
What has Embiid done for an extra year or two? Embiid is becoming so overrated its not even funny anymore.
@@saiwaqa2573 playing. I’m saying it doesn’t matter if embiid has played for longer bc Luka is so good. So their either equal or Luka is better in an all time if they both retired today
Gotta remember it’s the basketball HOF so Joel’s accomplishments really only started in the NBA and he’s been second fiddle to most bigs of his generation as far as All NBA is considered
True but he has multiple second place MVP finishes which I think at least means something
So? Patrick Ewing was like 3-4th best center during his playing years, never was a 2nd MVP vote finisher and he was an easy induction to te hall
@@PuchuKt basketball HOF it’s all of his career accomplishments not just the ones he got in the NBA
@@noface791 you telling me Ewing wouldn't have made the hall without his college/HS achievements?
@@PuchuKt I’d only agree with that statement if someone like Melo is in there without his non NBA accomplishments
Can you bring back the Sacramento Kings series but with different teams? Like the teams that hasn't won a championship yet.
we love this series please keep it up
Respectfully Joel Embiid is not a hall of famer…… yet
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No way Embiid is hall of fame if he retired right now. You tripped Kenny
Great video!
In THIS VIDEO Deron Williams is so UNDERRATED, by Kenny's standarts, he needs to be in the A tier, not B and not S, how Bradley Beal is an A tier and Williams not? People forget how good he was in his prime, led his team to a Western Conference Finals, falling only to Duncan and Parker's Spurs, who eventually won the Finals, such a shame people forget about it...
I would have put Horford higher, I think objectively he has had a better career than Tatum at this point in time. Especially when you consider his NCAA accomplishments. I think Tatum definitely projects to be a better player than Horford, but right now I think Horford is at least A tier. Also, no way Embiid gets in the hall right now. These are just my opinions
This is nba, not college so his ncaa accomplishments don’t mean anything, Amd what has horford don’t jt hasn’t, Jt is a 2x defensive team, 3 conference finals runs, 1 finals run
@@chaseglaize6087 its the basketball hall of fame not the NBA hall of fame. it all matters
@@wet20 Kenny said he’s ranking is based on nba
horford isn't even close to tatum. wtf are you smokin.
@@willh1655 5 all stars, 1 all nba, one all defensive team, i mean it’s not ludicrous
Kenny here's an idea.
1. Spin the wheel for a conference.
2. Trade for a player on each team in that conference using random number generator to see the player you get and give up.
3.if anyone who was originally on the team is still there then spin the wheel of overalls and choose a player of your liking.
4.Then you can rebuild.
P.S-use trade override
W idea fr
mid idea but hopefully he does it
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Luka got better achievements than Embiid bruh
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funny that this video came out since i was thinking about the fact that the 3rd overall picks tend to be better than expected
I could see Tyus Jones making the Hall if he has the highest assist/turnover ratio in NBA history
Kenny really getting active in the offseason 💰💰💰
Brad and Deron got to be the same tier Deron has more all NBA appearances and made the playoffs 9 times to Beals 5. Deron also actually got his team to the playoffs as the best player on the team, while the argument can be made that Beal was never the best on his team. (clearly Wall was the better of the two and Russ has an argument especially considering the efficiency he had at the end of the season)
This is a certified hood classic
I can agree with most of this but you never really considered expectations and who was drafted before them but other than that your list is solid
Kanter is 100% D tier. If you draft a guy at #2, you’re expecting an above average starter at LEAST. Kanter barely started 1/3 of the games he played in his whole career. OJ Mayo is D too. Peaked as a rookie and wasn’t even good before the drug suspension. Kenny got those rose colored glasses for the late 00s.
Actually it Enis freedom, silly
Kenny, Luka is absolutely a Hall of Famer already based on his NBA career. 23 years old, 4 seasons, and already 3 All-NBA first team selections? There are people in the Hall with less accolades than him.
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Jaylen Brown is S tier for projection. Maybe LaMelo and Mobley too. 3rd overall pick is kinda goated.
Brown could easily be the first option on a playoff team, he’s really underrated
@@Insomniay0 no sorry he can’t dribble
Please don’t end it we love it
Need a Kenny vs LOW debate
Please continue the series 😀
ngl ill never forget that they robbed jokic that one season of all nba 1st team and gave it to davis who played 36% of the time C and 64% at PF just so he would be on there…..
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Aye kenny ! Luka would be Hof today because of his accolades in the Euroleague
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You gotta do more blind rankings those are fun
please do this agian its fire
Big fan of this
I think Embiid is a better player than Tatum, but if you look at what the two of them have acheived so far, especially when you take playoff success into account, I don't think Embiid should be in a higher tier than Tatum.
i think kenny is thinking more individual player than what the team achieved
Kenny, I know the HOF % numbers are objectively bad, but I think the reason for Tyus Jones > Marcus Smart is bc Tyus Jones is a NCAA champion with a MOP of the Final 4. Just a thought, love the vids!
Devin’s the goat for helping Kenny bring such a banger
Joel should be in A with the rest of the players that will be FUTURE HoFers.
Speaking of series that u ended, what happened to the wheel series u started on the second channel then moved to the main channel a few months ago
Luka and Beal in the same tier is insanity
The list looked great untill you had to put Luka there. I think there should be another level of A+ with Jason Tatum and Luka.
We need an undrafted version
if joel would retire today, he would definitely not make the HOF
it is too early but man Evan Mobley is gonna be a beast completely overlooked (only by the fans definitely not by the scouts and the teams tho) because he wasn't as flashy as Jalen Green and Cade Cunningham
this the first time in like half a decade where I looked at a kot4q list/takes and was ehh about it lol
I mean...we have to get the rest of the series for every 1st round pick for the overalls. These are just too good.
anybody else remember d will being on suite life on deck lol was on his wiki page and it was the only thing i paid attention to
Considering the basketball hall of fame includes leagues outside the NBA, such as college, I'm guessing that plays a role in Tyus Jones' hall of fame probability being higher than Marcus Smart. I could be wrong though.
Hard to compare purely on the now resume, given how some still need to enter their prime and others are barely in the league for a couple of seasons. That being said, given his pre-NBA career (and the HoF acknowledges college/EuroLeague as legitimate competitions) and his present NBA career, Luka is already a HoF'er.
I wonder if Kenny has reacted to Barry McCockiner’s version of grading every 1st overall pick in nba history
Do 4th overall picks. A lot bc of PWill❤️
Embid and beal got literally the same accolades but down slighted as a tier😳🤔
Deron Williams is top 25 in all-time assists and his peak alone should've made him A tier
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I want to debate Kenny on that Embiid ranking so bad
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My fav thing about kennys vids is when he tries to follow the same logic for every player but gives up and says “its my video i do what i want”😭😭
I wasn’t watching the screen for a minute and I thought he was saying lamelo a bonafide hall of famer💀
Putting Joel in S tier and Luka in A tier is WILD
Luka under Embiid is crazy
Al Horford as a Hawks fan is in the Hall of Very Good
Joel is not a HOFer currently...
Luka is a HOF even right now because of euroleague stuff
By career i feel like is dumb id just do it by how talented/good of a player is at their peak
Move Luka to S and Al Hofrord to A, other then that its a good tier list Kenny!
@@ballingavery he is a HOFer if he retires now (basketball hall of fame)
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Thinking that Joel resume as of right now is good enough for the Hall of Fame is actually crazy bruh that’s why there is a bunch of randoms in the Hall of Fame they just be letting anyone in there fr 😂
Kanter being the same tier as RJ kinda proves basing off of how happy the team currently is with the pick for current players could’ve been a fair way to go
Take a team of reserve players and rebuild until you get a ring
He has done that before
Deron Williams has gold medals that's why he's so high In probability
yo where kenny be getting these shirts
lmao im yelling at the screen rn, joel should be A tier
Can you bring back the Sacramento kings but with the different team who hasn't win any ring
I think putting Ben Gordon in the same tier as Enes Freedom is nuts
OJ Mayo really said ight weed>NBA
Luka in A tier is the biggest L in Kenny’s career no cap
Can't wait till you get to 13th over all pick zack lavine, devon booker, Spida, Herro
what happened to going over nba teams? I'm waiting for blazers uprise for the blazers!
putting bradley beal in A and then saying deron williams was B is wild
Luka could retire rn and is a hall of famer, considering his career in Europe
Tyus jones won national championship and was final 4 MVP. You forgot to factor in that basketball HOF accounts for all levels even though you mentioned it earlier in the video....lmao
Luka makes Basketball HoF right now I believe 3 time first team and accolades from Euroleague plus RoTY
I think AL is a basketball HoF but not a first ballot but his international (the DR), college resume matters