Fake Chinese Porcelain on eBay, Spotting Copies of Antiques
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It would be so helpfull to see a real thing next to the fake one
There are even fake Chinese antiques sold on Etsy.com - and a lot of the sellers use authentic photos but send you fakes...
Thats very true, also happens on Invaluable.
As a PS, if you're a dealer selling fakes, don't be silly and infantile enough to give me thumbs DOWN and then email me with a rant about it, Or I will post them here ..for other to read..
Thank you Mr. Peter
Excellent video
It is wonderful to educate people about counterfeiting
I enjoy your videos so much. I've enjoyed Asian art forms since I was a child, and the more I know, the more enjoyable they become. We used to visit the museum at Seattle Volunteer Park often. How fortunate to now be able to learn from you! I subscribed way back in the beginning, and keep learning along the way. It's a sweet lifetime obsession. Thank you.
Thanks Peter for a great video. As a porcelain restorer I started seeing these Chinese fakes come into my shop about 10 years ago.
+james lane Its a ridiculous problem, so many collections being built with pure junk..eBay, local auctions..all of them are selling the stuff.
Now I understand so you guys are real nice you do those videos to help people like me and I appreciate it. You are honest people I can tell from the way you talk
Thank you for all of these knowledge. Appreciate it
So glad I found you, I’m a big fan of chinese porcelain (that I can afford; that is beautiful but not necessarily valuable). Subscribed. :) In this video, I wondered whether the article, before painting, is made in the Jingdezhen area and with roughly the same traditional materials and methods?
Thanks for the video, as a collector of asian art I for sure might have picked one of these up.
Great information for an amateur learning! Thanks!! I SUBSCRIBED!!!!
Thank you for your endeavor. Very useful
I appreciate your expertise but saying ‘this looks wrong’ or ‘this is not what it should look like’ is meaningless without explaining what the correct technique should be. Perhaps something to consider in future videos.
I agree. Showing a proper piece side by side so we can see the comparison would be even more helpful.
Peter. Thank you for giving your time. I do feel that the video could be better presented if you had some real antique vases that could be placed side by side to enforce the difference. I am a potter and I have travelled China quite often. We have a saying. Go to the antique market and find a real antique made yesterday. LOL
We' wIII see what we can do on that for one. In some of our video's we do show reaI examples side by side with the copies. Perhaps we couId start accumulating images for a video of aII side by side comparisons. Thanks for the thought...Peter
Hello! i was about to ask the same thing. I'm studying to be an appraiser and try to learn every way i can, including your videos here. Thank you so much for giving us your time and knowledge! it would most certainly be more helpful if when showing a fake, you could be more specific. When you say "this dragon's tale is wrong", you don't at all explain what exactly is wrong, is it the shape, the thickness, the color, the direction, etc... You just state it's wrong and move on, with no explanation or an example of how a genuine dragon's tale of that style should look like. I see you said you have videos with comparisons, so i'll go look for those, again thank you very much for this contribution! Zara
I agree that that would be even more helpful.
Thank you for your time to try to educate people however you do it, though, +Peter Combs! I did still learn a few things to look for from this video.
@@PeterCombs I was thinking the same thing about side by side comparisons. I absolutely love both Japanese and Chinese porcelains but am terrified of buying fakes so I don’t spend a lot, but am trying to learn so I’ve been binge watching your excellent videos.
Thank you for shering the knowledge.
I have a W under my vase but its not i assume its from china it was given to me by an 80 year old man for a go away gift he said hes mother owened it which she passed dont know what that symbol repersents im curious he said it was 100 years old ive been catting it around now for 30 years
ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THIS ?
Peter combs. It is very interesting tutorial. I am new in identifying antique and still a lot to learn. Could you please make video about fake and real photos side by side so easily to see the different ? Especially the foot that sometime still hard for me to see the different. Thanks :) love you video !
Hello, have you see this one on our list? th-cam.com/video/MLFgoCsxFhM/w-d-xo.html
If you think we need to add an additional one we can probably arrange it. Thanks for the comment.
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That's exactly what I wanted to write. I see a foot that he says it's a fake and than I see the same and he says it's real! How do you distinguish fake from real
If I go to garage sale how do I spot the real one?
the difference can be very subtIe. Once you've handIed enough pieces, you'II see it right away. Aiso the Weight of copies aIso feeIs off. Often the fakes are too heavy and dense.
What I got from this video is, lots of people want a comparison on each piece, real to fake. Almost each site wants free appraisals. Do you realize the training and time to be an expert in a field? And yet, people almost always want to send a picture and get free appraisals on their items. Sometimes, that might happen, but, I’d say not very often.
I would like an appraisal but.not for free.Its to help us not get ripped off.Thank you for your videos.
Thanks. You need pics of comparisons to tell the difference, So we can relate. Thanks for putting out video.
fjenk123 We've added a couple new ones since that do have comparison views...Check "authenticating Chinese porcelain" as well as the other.
Thanks. Your hard work is much appreciated.
Hey Peter. We have this blue vase named imperial made in Japan. It has a peacock design and flowers. How would I know if It's authentic or not?
I have a bown with flowers and birds.very white but it has a number in a star on the bottom. Is that fave stamp?
Hey Peter, I have watched some of your videos and I believe your a real expert. I got 2 pieces at home, could I have your opinion to know if they worthy or fake. Thanks in advance
Wondering if any terracotta soldier any size sellable and what do they go for if you have any input I would enjoy seeing some examples
Anyone who would buy a purported Yuan vase for $18,000 on eBay without consulting a recognized and reputable expert deserves to lose their money.
You can call them fakes but the chinese potters have been "replicating" and enhancing thier own native aesthetic for thoisands of years. Some of the "fakes" are still amazing works and are really contemporary chinese ceramics. In 100 yesrs theyll be considered to be pdrt of the legitimate chinese ceramic progression. ...im saying that if its modern chinese and you like it....buy it and have a part of this incredible artistic ethos.
Great point!❤
Hi. I have about 7 piecies of Chinese porcelain I have to try to identify. A cd that I have purchase has 75 books of Chinese markings for porcelain. It's going to take a
while to go through all of these books. This is a new adventure-hobby for Me. Thanks so much for your help.
fjenk123 If you visit our site Bidamount.com you will find an extensive image archive under "RESOURCES" around 15,000 images. Heres a link goo.gl/lWHMhA Also some of the books we've posted as Flip Books goo.gl/2rF0vX
Thanks.
Wow - thank your Peter. This is very useful.
I have two Chinese looking perfume or some kind of feels like stone about three to four inches tall one is red the other a green the pattern is two dimensional it's also has brass bottom with Chinese engraved in to it,,,,,please any ideas Please reply asap
So I spent a ton of time trying to read the reign marks on my moon flask because I saw a strikingly similar one at Christie's. Mine is gorgeous but it's "wall" is blueish. Damn. I still want to know if it's real, only because of the reign marks, but now I feel I can use it as a vase. Haha
1:25 the first vase with yellow glaze... wasn't yellow reserved for the imperial family? I know nothing about pottery but from the start I would have been suspicious that that is a fake.
Hello, nice video. Thanks for sharing. Do you mind checking this Xuande of Ming dynasty is real or not? Thanks a lot.
have to buy from the museum and the place which have clear and reliable records
Excellent tutorial, thank you!
+seeamerica1 very welcome, hope it was useful, we're working on a few more.
Thank you I'm just learning and appreciate all the help I can get.
Good info
Having a few pics of originals would help.
Loved it!❤ Alison ' The China Repair Studio '.
Glad you liked it! Peter
Great! Two thumbs up!
Annie Zhang Thank you Annie..if you do not get our NewLetter sign up for it..its free..and very good.
Why u dont have pictures of the original to compare
By the way, my specialty is Yuan blue and white, and what really annoys me beyond the really poor quality of the fakes is that they often label them as Ming. Come on, at least get the dynasty right!
The same problem exists with pieces with Guangxu marks. There has been a sudden flood of them in the last 20 years. 99% are fakes.
I like your videos! very informative..;)
is there anyway to contact you, sir?.. i have a vase that I am trying to identify. I've asked a lot of people, but I still got no answers. Thanks in advance.
Sure, happy to have a Iook, our, www.plcombs.com/about-contact-us/ contact information is here. Best, Peter
It's from China, it couldn't be real. Besides if it's real antique, will the Chinese Government allow the seller to sell it online an ship it to another country?
Thank you.
Thank you very much
I enjoy your channel
You guys are honest people
I still don't understand how you make money:) do you sell on eBay? Could you please mention some prices range when you show some pieces?
Also could I send you a pic to your email to know if a piece is real when I have one?
We do appraisals for estates, handle sales of items for customers through various outlets, we do also seII on eBay. Here's a ink to our business site. www.plcombs.com/
ebay is full of those stuffs.
Even if its new the work that went into it is much. If an American artist made it how much would they charge for same vase? You have to remember that real items are VERY expensive and if you can get something nice as decoration and its not to expensive why NOT!! YOU make one!
I have no problem with folks buying copies as decorations for a house, perfectly fine. The issue today is, the fakes are being sold as Antique and misleading buyers is never a good thing.
Yes, you make one but don't claim it's an antique ming this and that for $18000. Just mark it with pier1 or potterybarn $49.
@@PeterCombs 90% of Chinese ceramics in the world are fake, including museums.
What would be really interesting would be a video on Authentic Chinese Porcelain on eBay. I mean, when was they last time you saw any??
They aren't easy to find, but they are there..mostly from dealer in the Netherlands.
Thank you for your video do you appraise the pieces? How do you make money?
we are dealers and appraisers. We've been in business for over 35 years here in New England. Our income comes primarily from handling estate collections and buying for customers.
I have Chinese antiques how can I sell tks!
I have got it from the sea, you can check it for authenticity
Thanks
Ca. You tell me if my vase is real I have never seen one like k
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When you look at the bottom of the vase and you said the marks are easy to replicate, then how do you know its a fake, because some bats look like they were stamped on. Really
+Denise Turner later copies lack naturalistic looking drawing and appear too stiff and contrived, you need to see many over time. Its hard, but after a while the copies begin more and more to immediately look wrong. Spend a little time poking around on Christie's website in the POST AUCTION area, they have some terrific enlargeable images to study. we also have on our site at Bidamount a section with past Christie's and Bonhams Flip Book Catalogs that can be enlarged also. Here is a link to it. bit.ly/1QjLheB
I bought a Chinese porcelain horse. Its a nice fake sold as authentic. How do i know its fake? They didn't use resin pvc during the tang dynasty... Lol
Oh my gosh! So true!
I have a dragon blue pen tray can’t tell if it’s real
I have known for many years that the Chinese are not allowed to export antiques, unfortunately lots of people do not know this and that's how these Chinese sellers get away with it. Perhaps all these dodgy sellers have given a thumbs down on this video.
I've upset a lot of dealers of fakes over the years.
We did a few videos a couple years ago on a couple of auction houses in Georgia....they sent me a cease and desist letter from their lawyers, I posted it on our blog. A few years ago a dealer of fakes threatened to come to Gloucester and said "i'm gonna kill you and you won't see it coming"...I promptly sent him my address and phone number to make an appointment...never heard another word from him. Some people can be very touchy on this stuff. Best Peter
@@PeterCombs - you are doing a good job Peter,, makes my blood boil when I see these fakes and the prices these people are charging to unsuspecting buyers !!! Looking forward to this weeks video.
I see a foot that he says it's a fake and than I see the same and he says it's real! How do you distinguish fake from real
If I go to garage sale how do I spot the real one?
The odds of your finding a REAL one, at a garage sale, are almost NIL - even if you're going to garage sales in wealthy (or formerly wealthy) places.
Bunny Biedenharn yes but all the high quality fakes will be sold at auction houses like Christie's and Sotheby's in 20-30 years time
yeah Pete!
+Sharon Meredith thanks Sharon, how have you been?
What I learned here on this is you aren’t finding real Chinese antiques anywhere . Everything you see for sale should be treated as a fake.😉
There are a lot of fakes around and a lot of great things too. Our other video's will share many with you. best Peter
Sadly you don’t compare this vases with real ones. They look beautiful... but you should educate people comparing real and fake if you really help.
those would be fair prices in that case
Would it kill you to compare to authentic pieces?
We've done others with those as weII. Check through the Iist, I think you'II find them. Best Peter
Pointing out supposed defects in supposed fakes doesn’t really educate unless the alleged fakes are compared to actual examples of the real thing... With respect as a collector only, this is why one is left wondering whether the nit picking is merely nothing more than someone’s opinion which may be flawed...
THe video was one of the first we did several years ago, that said, the differences in the areas of foot rims, trimming and color, as well as texture are decidedly different when comparing old authentic examples and modern ones. At some point, time permitting, we do plan on doing some side by side comparisons in more depth.
I appreciate the video but the comments are very general. I've seen some authentic ceramics with kiln Debris in the foot. I also have seen variations in the shades of white porcelain that are authentic period pieces
Being very precise isn't possible unfortunately as there so many variables to deal with in every period with every type. Single aspects like kiln grit mean little, the piece needs to be examined in it's entirety which gets easier after handling thousands of pieces. Best, Peter
It is still very hard to distinguish
It is and takes a Iot of practice, as weII as cIose study handIing things. We've been doing it since the 1970's and so much has changed in the market. Our site www.bidamount.com/ has a great deaI of good information on it..you might find it usefuI.
Thanks
I am here watching one of your videos and checking the vases one by one
I only buy item that has a decorative value 😜
I have a great peace and i belive is original.Im not a expert but i believe if you can see i appreciate.I can sendcthe pictures.many thanks
I know its fake but it us beautiful
Then don’t buy it
Keep it for thousands of years then it would be true.
Ha, Ha...thats a good idea...LOL. Peter
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This was not helpful. Using words like “terrible” and “ridiculous” does not give a novice any concrete tools to help them distinguish a genuine antique from a fake one. What may seem obvious to you is not necessarily so easy for the lay person. Could you possibly show comparisons of authentic marks and imitations? Same with the feet of vases, etc.
Why don't you complain to eBay they will shut them off! It's wrong to cheat people I thought it's real and legit and it's mostly fake!
Do you give Appraisel on any pieces? How can I get a decent appraisal before I buy something
I've had LONG endless discussions with eBay about the FAKE issue, they simply do not care as none of the material is Copy Right protected. We have several account reps at eBay and we've talked with their supervisors and at one point the assistant to the President of the company. For now they do not care. So we do our part to share the real stuff thats on there.
Bonjour vous êtes bizarres une œuvre unique yuan authentique vous avez refusé. Cela fait partie des cabales du marché. Ou inculte ou Escroc . Bref merci de cette fumisterie.
Copying is noble in China....nothing wrong in coping a master....even chinese masters copied older master, so our museum are full of chinese copies
Please stop referring to China as mainland China.
I only do it to draw a line between them and Taiwan...which the CCP stupidly refuses to admit is a country and not part of the Mainland..Best Peter
Why eBay don’t close them? Many fake to the world