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- Ta-Nehisi Coates, author of the newly published "The Message," talks with Alex Wagner about understanding Palestinians in the occupied territories in a civil rights context, connecting the Black American experience to Palestinians in the Middle East.
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#TaNehisiCoates #TheMessage #Palestine
People were furious when Norman Finkelstein compared this situation to Nat Turner's rebellion. It took something awful happening for the world to finally acknowledge the mistreatment of Palestinians by Israel.
Those that were furious were the same people that were descendants of colonizers in the US.
So the terrorists were right to do their massacre on oct 7th then? Plus take americans as hostages ? Plus hide behind their children and women folks as they cower in their tunnels. Will the real domestic terrorists please stand up!
Sadly a lot of people, including this network eg Joe Scarborough and company, will never understand that comparison or could care less
@@95brickhaus14even tho Joe is anti-Trump never forget he is a conservative
Nope, it was actually like Southern former Confederates (i.e., Palestinians) massacring blacks and Jews because they refuse to believe they lost a war and do not legally control their territory.
Activists should go to Palestine and volunteer as I did 15 years ago you can't deny the oppression of the Occupation.
Is it even possible to go to the West Bank or Gaza without Israeli permission?
@@IcarianXyou need their permission and I believe they are checking social media accounts now
@@xr2kidof course they are
Activists aren't the ones who need to see the brutality firsthand it's these liberals who want to reward the Kamala Harris administration for this genocide.
Saying "Trump will be worse" it's something to tell themselves so they don't ever have to hold Democrats responsible
Yes but the issue is that they’re now killing activists too. They’ve gone completely psychotic. The normal 4% of their society already left. It’s just complete sociopaths there now. God protect the Palestinians 😢
“the state of Israel was not created for the salvation of the Jews; it was created for the salvation of the Western interests”
James Baldwin ‘79
I think so, it’s a shame.
BS that only a bigot can utter.
Sad that the extreme left normalizes this hate speech.
Usually Baldwin makes sense.
Exactly!! They didn’t want them in Europe or North America.
What I love is how the democrats call every one germans but really most of them want to get rid of the jewish folks.
"Many of us like to ask ourselves, "What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?"
The answer is, you're doing it. Right now."
- USAF Senior Airman
Aaron Bushnell
Jewish Americans don’t need to align themselves with Israel or AIPAC. AIPAC has got to go. Who are they to tell us we can only have a representative that aligns with a foreign country first and put our American citizens concerns second. Dismantle AIPAC.
Then CAIR has to go too. Can’t dismantle one without dismantling the other.
Palestinians don’t have to align themselves with Hamas bu they do.
@@X2LR8 But CAIR does not have influence over American foreign policy or pass laws in congress
@@X2LR8CAIR, like the NAACP, advocates for people. AIPAC advocates for a foreign country.
@@taz09216 They do.
I can’t express how much I admire him for taking this on. You can tell he is worn-out from the mudslinging that he has been subjected to by the pro occupation criminals in the media. Can’t wait for my copy of the book to arrive.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
~ James Baldwin (1924-1987), American writer, essayist, novelist, playwright, social critic, and activist.
whoo! this is fire!!!
Thank you, Ta-Nehisi Coates, for showing the truth - it's Apartheid and the US has spent billions of dollars to fund it.
Yes the democratic party
Both parties have made sure Israel is quite well funded since President Harry S Truman...
apartheid? you mean like the entire moz zlem world? that guy's blindness is beyond belief.
@@marjoriebreslin2995 yep 🤣
@@marjoriebreslin2995 Are you forgetting who made Jerusalem Israels Capitol, or which former one term president, that Netanyahu visited? I think you misspelled trump.
> Why was former President Carter's book on the same topic ignored? (BTW Happy 100th Birthday Jimmie!)
>Why is this book so controversial?
>What is the name of the unspoken, cultural value underlying all of this violence for thousands of years?
Jimmy Carter isn't controversial. Ta-Nehisi Coates is. The books by both men are very worth reading.
This dynamic was explored by the likes of Malcolm X and James Baldwin over 50 years ago.
And SNCC.
Read Baldwins “Open Letter to the Born Again”
And the USA hasn't learned anything since then.
the ignorant rot that is African American intellectuals continues
President Jimmy Carter literally wrote a book about Israeli Apartheid
Protect Ta-Nehisi Coates at all cost and we must all make a conscious effort to assure that "The Message" remains on the best sellers list for years to come. Because it is vital that the plight of the Palestinian people be told and the brutality of the Israeli regime must be exposed. We African Americans recognize this evil
I don't understand how you people live in the same reality. The real criminals are building military bases under hospitals & burning children alive. Muslims have full rights in Israel but people that are Jewish can't even live in Gaza
Historically, in Palestine, the Arabic word for “black person” is homonymous with the word for “slave” because, from the Palestinian view, there was no need to differentiate between the two.
@@seanhagan1435one of the first individuals to accept Islam was black, the one who perfected the call to prayer. So yeah keep up your lies and your support for occupation
@@seanhagan1435the Palestinian people have nothing to do with Arabs in other countries that have power but you got it...
@@RobertTrey-ov1lz What are you talking about, dude? The Palestinians were the slave owners until the British ended slavery after acquiring the region following World War I. Arabs typically castrated their Black African slaves, so the Palestinians never underwent a moral reckoning or had a civil rights movement for former enslaved Black Africans. Consequently, Palestinians still use the same language towards Black Africans because, again, they have never needed to distinguish between a Black person and a slave.
Isn't it a lot like apartheid in South Africa?
That is the point. Alot of terrorism happen my Palestinian in name of getting land back. But the book say if u are a victim of terrorism then it doesn't absolve u of atrocities when you do it on a who people just cause some of them are dangerous. It what justified jim crow
Arabs took that land from the Romans, who took it from the Jews.
You learn some fu*king history, too.
alot worse, much much worse.
How do you compare apartheid in Africa to apartheid in palestine?@@earthtaurus5515
Or Rhodesia.
"The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long, But It Bends Toward Justice", Martin Luther King Jr. Massive respect to Ta-Nehisi Coates for speaking out for Palestinian lives and voices. Also huge respect to Alex Wagner for an amazing and impartial interview. Far too many interviewers engage in their own biases especially in the US media when it comes to Israel's inhumane policies on Palestinians, as most of the US media tends to frame the conversation with a pro-israel bias. The current Israeli inhumane policies on Palestinians effectively stems from Zionism.
Rabid Zionism
Israel exists, why are you refering to Zionism? To mention it means you want to erase Israel as a nation ?
An eloquent, and yet historically inaccurate quote. No offense to Dr. King.
No apartheid has a right to exist, period; let alone a settler colonial apartheid. Blinken's tribal loyalty has already cost America it's hegemony.
It's not apartheid. I've been there and seen Muslims in university and having access to everything Israelis do.
@@tovahjustic556I guess Amnesty International, B'tselem, Human Rights Watch are wrong then and you're right because: anecdote.
@@IcarianX I don't think any of them have lived in an experienced Israel so yes they're wrong. I don't know what they're calling apartheid in Israel. I really don't know what the world expects from Israel when Palestinians rejected citizenship and demand to be their own state yet also want citizens right in Israel while terror predominantly comes out of Palestinian areas.
@@tovahjustic556 you know B’tselem is an Israeli human rights organisation, right?? They say that Israel is an Apartheid and we are supposed to believe you??
@@tovahjustic556B’tselem is from Israel bro 🤦♂️
The disingenuous interview he had to endure on CBS just amplified this inequality.
Thank you to MSNBC for giving him this platform.
Alex was the best person to do this interview, too.
What was disingenuous about it and how did it amplify inequality?
@@TeddyMonkathe interviewer basically calling him an extremist is one point.
@@Blackronin357 He called him “Extremist with a backbag”!!
@@Blackronin357
I watched the interview, and let’s be honest: it raised a legitimate question. Why is there an obsession with Israel, particularly considering it occupies the longest chapter in his book, while the other oppressive regimes in the region get a pass? The outrage is deafening when Israel is involved in a conflict, yet when Saudi Arabia-a U.S. ally-starves and slaughters over 400,000 Yemenis, the silence is almost eerie. You won’t see mass protests or calls for a ceasefire. You won’t see flags waving in solidarity for the Yemeni dead. When millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs, the so-called human rights activists and Western moralists suddenly go mute. Why is that?
@@TeddyMonka maybe because they don't send billions and billions of dollars every year to Saudi while also giving diplomatic immunity every single time on UN.
The occupier can’t complain about the resistance
But they always do
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GOD WILL REWARD YOU STANDING UP FOR THE VOICELESS!! MUCH LOVE TO YOU BROTHER
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"There are so many ways of being despicable it quite makes one's head spin. But the way to be really despicable is to be contemptuous of other peoples pain." 😕
~ James Baldwin (1924-1987), American writer, essayist, novelist, playwright, social critic, and activist.
Or when IDF soldiers are celebrating inflicting life altering pain on civilians and posting it on social media for many likes. Israeli society has really evolved into something dark.
This is the most sincere examination of the palistinian struggle I've ever seen on western mainstream media. If only the segment was longer.
Hamass? Don't ask!
Now we know why Israel won't let journalists into palistine
💯
Surprised NBC is even showing this. Notice they called it segregation in Palestine, not Israel, though. Ha.
@sneakytacos773 NBC has had the most moments of clarity of any if the major western news networks. It's seems as though they were paying attention the the CBS interview
Gaza has opened our minds and hearts.
I love the Message! I’m an 83 year old black woman.
Google judge joe brown is trump a racist. This will tell you everything you need to know about donald trump and the black community.
move to anywhere in the muzzzlim world, if you think it's so great.
Who cares about skin color??? Other than cnn n msnbc and democrats.... doesn't matter what color you are. It matters where your heart is. Trump2024
@@DerekPayeyour heart is in forcing victims of r to birth babies and splitting families up because of their national origin 😂
@@sneakytacos773if every abortion was about R I’d be for abortion. But they aren’t ur trying to use a small sample as ur whole argument.
That’s disingenuous.
this man has a human heart
Thank you for writing about the obscene apartheid. Thank you, thank you.
That interview was a blessing in disguise for *ALL* of us. The teacher has been on a hall of fame run since then and hasn't broken a sweat or detracted from the issue once. God bless him.
Wow, MSNBC is really doing what news channels should do
"You never find yourself until you face the truth."
~ Pearl Bailey, "The Raw Pearl" (1968)
Thank you to Mr. Coates for forcing MSNBC to allow criticism of Israel on the network.
Yes, he has brought these ideas into the American mainstream. Hopefully, this is just the start and people start talking about it more.
He is a hero! I can only pray and hope that Americans read it book and understand what he is saying to everyone.
The America you live in has been deceiving you all along more than you know
It’s up to you if you wanna wake up
It’s up to Americans to decide whether to take actions like you did South Africa
And insist and impose and demand Isra change its ways
Time is running out
The Palestinians are being exterminated
He is a fool.
move to gaza already.
@@zw9802you move to Israel. Americans are tired of wasting our money on them, you seem to love them so much. Don’t think you’re a true American
@@robertcampomizzi7988much brighter than you, and not an apologist for illegal occupation.
@psnp6768 it's illegal? According to which non binding resolution???!??!?
Ta Nahesi is the only one who made me watch this channel.
Going from Germany must pay reparations to Israel to the latter being an abhorrent apartheid state and has no moral ground to exist is a different kind of whiplash. Something tells me Netanyahu and his Likuddites aren't gonna be pleased with this.
2.5 million Arabs live within Israel and enjoy rights equal to Israelites. Look it up, you should learn about the things you claim to know anything about. And do a deeper dive into history for all our sake.
That’s what happens when you go see the truth
@@jrmint2how about you listen to what he just told you he saw, and realize the little fact you read on the internet isn’t so truthful after all?
@@sneakytacos773 equal rights is equal rights, perhaps you’re the one who needs to read more, the author deliberately left a lot of things out. Its not the Jews who can't live with Arabs, its the ARabs cannot live with Jews. Therein lies the difference. The Jews championed black rights in the USA. Arabs would never champion black rights.
Good thing we really don’t care what he is pleased with.
Great interview, Alex; thoughtful, engaging and receptive. Great questions. Ta-Nehisi continues to be one of the most important voices of our time.
Hamass? Don't ask!
"The truth does not change according to our abilities to stomach it emotionally."
~ Flannery O' Connor, in Sally Fitzgerald, es., "The Habit of Being" (1979)
Thank you for sharing this story
I'm a white, mildly right of centre, septuagenarian Christian. I've visited Israel often and have close acquaintances there. I cannot condone the blatant muders of massive numbers of childen and civilians being inflicted by Israeli forces in the occupied territories and in sovereign countries adjacent to Israel. If ANY other country did what Israel is doing, the US would be leading the call for global sanctions on it. 😢
We have blood on our hands..
really? so if America was being attacked like Israel has been, we would just surrender? yeah, we probably would, if you were in charge.
He is such a wonderful writer. I just placed an order for my copy
Me too!
Bravo for bringing on Ta-Nehisi Coates! 👏🏼🤩
They are killing any attempt to document this coward act delibratlly. Many Journalist & UN workers.
Nantanyahu & his gang are the monster of our time.
Alex is such a pro.💯
Great job guys
THANK you !!
I get that israel is an ally OF THE US. I accept that the hamas attacked ISRAEL. WTH is israel.attacking lebanon. Yemen, Iran. ISRAEL GET OUT OF GAZA AND THE WEST BANK. stop your aggression. No aid to.israel.
please educate yourself.
@@zw9802you should educate yourself. You’re too cowardly to explain things to people. You’d rather manipulatively tell them to educate themselves and say nothing else
Why do u support people that still practice slavery today ?
@@zw9802please educate yourself
What a great critical thinker! Also a light for humanity..🙏🙏🙏🌺💠🥺💕😔
Another great interview, Alex. I got a copy of the book and it’s profound, I’m almost afraid to watch Coates get interviewed lest he be accused of being a Palestinian terrorist (like that Tony did on CBS) but as usual, you were respectful, and intelligent in your conversation.
On May 28th 2021, Senate Republicans blocked an independent commission to investigate the events of January 6th.
So?
Remember the January 6th Patriots!
@@johnward43 Felons.
I'm legit shocked that MSNBC is giving Coates a platform to speak on this.
He's been making the rounds on mainstream media. He was on CBS before this.
He was also on chris Hayes
No human will see how the Palestinian suffering and won't feel sick to his stomach, and I put two lines under human here
Loved this interview.
The book is essential🖤❤️💚
Thank you for sharing this information and telling the truth!!!
TRUTH TOLD.
BRILLIANT MAN.
*Segregation "? Y'all spelled "U.S. backed apartheid" wrong...
“Apartheid” is just the Afrikaans word for “segregation.” The two words have the same meaning.
Incredible book. Had to drive to three B&N’s to find a copy in-stock - so worth it!
Excellent!!!! Continue bringing the inequality encountered by Palestinians to the public eye. Justice-loving American citizens must pressure presidential administrations and Congress members to stop supporting oppression. 🕊🕊
Well done Alex 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
very happy to see MSNBC platforming the truth
Wow! I definitely need to get the book.
Good interview.
Thank You MSNBC and Coates Sir and Alex Mam for interview ❤
The more controversial, the more books he sells
That ignorant journalist didn’t realise just how much he helped this man and the Palestinian movement. ♥️🇵🇸
Vote for Jill Stein everyone. Take the steps to bring the change we need. Stop the endless wars!!
For as long as I can remember, I have always heard "the occupied Palestinian territories," to the point where I thought that was the name of the country. I forgot that there are people living under that occupation all these years.
I dont think you are alone.....
FREE PALESTINE ❤️❤️❤️
I'm a fan of Ta-Nehisi. I've never been to Isreal, but I understood the very thing he writes about before he wrote it..
Where are the voices from Palestinian's on legacy media....🧐🤔🎯🎯🎯🎯💯
Hillary needs to take some notes !
Gaza showed the world how evil the world is..
The western world specifically.
Amazing interview❤
"There's too much tendency to attribute to God the evils that man does of his own free will."
~ Agatha Christie, "The Moving Finger" 👉 (1942)
Free Palestine!!!
Free Palestine, thank you Ta Nehasi Coates. Be strong, they’re going to try to silence you.
When a topic can not be discussed and a point of view is not even represented, then you should know something is wrong.
Coates should write a book about the apartheid of Jews in Muslim countries
That might be a good Idea However, it still won't take away the fact that Israel is an apartheid state. No need to deflect, stay on topic.
Which Muslim country has an Apartheid specifically on Jews? I know in Iran, they are free to practise their religion. And historically, the Jews were treated much better in Muslim countries than in Europe.
@@goldencalf5144 are Jews welcome in any of the countries surrounding Israel?
@@goldencalf5144 tell me, are Lebanon and Iran about to welcome large numbers of Jewish people into the countries?
Giving a voice to the voiceless and abandoned. Thank you Ta-Nehisi! The book is an amazing read and opens your perspective.
When Mr Coates says the Israeli soldier asked him what his religion was, he deduces that the soldier is asking about his ancestry. And that the question is racist. Does Mr Coates believe that the soldier was raised in the American south? Did Mr Coates ever consider that the soldier was trying to determine if he may have been of a religious persuasion that has malicious intentions toward Jews? You do know that is an on-going problem in Israel? Oh, that's right; he did say he didn't know much about the history of the region before going.
Exactly
"a religious persuasion that has malicious intentions toward Jews" -- So all Muslims are anti-Semitic? Racist much?
He spoke about what he saw. Not just the question he was asked. Respond to the whole of what he was saying rather than a singular element.
Reflect on : was he speaking the truth about what he saw.
@@ganganmaroon9545 A single event witnessed does not present a whole story. One would think this is a very well known fact among people of color. Especially when Mr Coates admitted he was unfamiliar with the history of the region, one would think that in writing a book one would have time to reflect that they should either educate themselves, or refrain from knee-jerk assumtions.
@@artfishman5440 was he lying.... speak the truth?
20 years ago, that's the last time a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote.
Isn’t that about the same time Democrats let millions of illegals into blue states and let them vote?
As a black person i m not voting for apartheid
Finally a voice for the Palestinians on msm!
Yes, but still not a Palestinan voice. And the lone Palestinan voice in Congress has been endlessly censored and smeared, including by her own party.
If we get Trump we can thank Netanyahu.
that is what Netanyahu wants... but I would blame the Dems, too. They could win this handedly by stopping arms shipments to Israel, by calling Netanyahu right now, Like Reagan did and Eisenhower did, and use our LEVERAGE over then (Billions of dollars) to get them to stop.
It's JIM CROW!
Now there is another group of humans traumatized and enraged that we can’t heal.
“Let me tell you that your oppression will not save you” T. Coats
He is describing the West Bank and it’s not a part of Israel. Are the license plates the same in Canada and the US?
Every word by this guy is pure gold.
Jeez, I love Ta-Nehisi.
Good interview. ❤
That's absolutely true, there has been apartheid inequality in Israel for 76 years because at the very heart of this ongoing conflict is really racism, the continued stealing of more Palestinian land and know that terrorism is simply the scapegoat vehicle.
Humans require A Lagape Paradigm!
The ethos you are describing focuses on the **inherent worth and dignity of all human beings**, regardless of gender, recognizing that both **men and women** are intrinsically **Precious, Important, and Valuable (VIPz)**. This ethos can be built on **three central pillars**:
### 1. **Inherent Dignity (Precious)**
- Every human being, regardless of their background, gender, or status, holds an intrinsic value that cannot be diminished or overlooked. This pillar emphasizes the **preciousness** of life itself, ensuring that each person is treated with **respect** and **care**. It speaks to the idea that every individual has unique qualities and contributions that make them irreplaceable.
### 2. **Equality of Importance**
- This pillar affirms that every human, whether male or female, is equally **important** to the fabric of society. It promotes **gender equality** and reinforces the notion that the role or contributions of any individual are not secondary to others. The ethos upholds **equal opportunity** and recognition for both men and women to thrive and contribute in all aspects of life-family, career, leadership, and more.
### 3. **Universal Value**
- The idea that every individual carries inherent **value** (VIPz) that extends beyond what they do or accomplish. This pillar promotes **self-worth** and **mutual respect** for others. It cultivates an environment where people are valued for their **inner humanity**, not just external achievements or societal roles. Both men and women are encouraged to see themselves and each other as **valuable**, capable of shaping a better future for themselves and their communities.
This ethos essentially calls for a **universal respect** for life, where every human being is regarded as a **VIP**, fostering a culture of **caring, cooperation**, and recognition of **shared humanity**. It empowers individuals to respect their own worth and the worth of others, forming the foundation for a more inclusive, compassionate, and just world.
Alex is not being truthful about her assessment that Harris support among Black voters regarding the Israel-Hamas war is at 46%. The poll says that it is 46% among all of the registered voters nationwide (1771), and that includes 477 Black registered voters.
3:22-4:20, 4:46-6:02, 7:30 - these were great points
VOTING Jill Stein 2024! Only candidate not controlled by AIPAC / corporations
Thankfully there are alternative voices being allowed
People's actions determine their character....not their race, religion or belief system.
8:12 I beg to differ: the apartheid is not a _"Jewish error"_ but is absolutely is a *"Zionist error"* .
It IS a human error! The human shadow feeds on projection. Courage in facing your own self.
Wonderful job by the interviewer as well!!!
"The wheel turns slowly" because that's what the hegemony requires, and that what requires Alex and her bosses to accept, thoughtlessly, as an excuse.
For once, a decent poll because of the intelligent question. It's not asking about opinion. It is asking about sentiment, their gut feeling, and that's what trust is about.