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It’s legit concerning to see people who think you’re not a Christian or not a “True” Christian if you’re not reading the KJV only. I say this as someone who grew up reading the KJV. But it is heartening to see that wanting to read the word of God in an understandable language is an idea that is at least reaching some people.
Yes, praise the Lord!
And not only just reading and preferring it but absolutely demanding that everyone else do so too or you’re still not saved.
Exactly! The KJV was written for that time period so that they could understand the scriptures. It’s not like it’s the original manuscript written by Holy Spirit. Also, There’s some links to king James being in the occult and he demanded that Jesus brothers name was translated to James instead of Jacob. The word of God is alive and active and sharper than a double edged sword. Holy Spirit will guide us all when we are reading the Word of God and are allowing Him to interpret and give us wisdom and revelation.
I choose to focus on reaching those who are not Christians and are opened and ignore the extremists who say things like that.
Build Christianity away from those toxic people.
@@christusvictor1431That gentleman was not toxic. He was misguided. While reaching the lost should take priority over realigning the saved, how about celebrating a win? This man will not be raising his kids under such legalism. Hooray for his children! 🎉
I’m happy to hear that you receive encouragement like this, and I’m “demanding” the video idea where you share more 😊
We shall see! ;)
I'm married to an IFB KJV only individual (occurred after marriage) and I've been non denominational for 10+yrs ... but to honor him (as it is a huge area of offense for me to separate spiritually from him with the kids) .. our family is part of the IFB movement. I ask people to pray for us. It's not easy. I try to just forget my past heavy involvement in the ministry and now just cope as a silent tag along. Sometimes I act as an object so I don't have to deal with the tension. Lord help us. Prayers are appreciated. Blessings!
Praying for you! Look for the good, my sister! Unless the church is really extreme, there is going to be plenty of real good to see, plenty of the fruit of the Spirit. Unless you simply cannot in good conscience agree to the doctrinal statement of the church, you could still possibly join. And you can still certainly contribute even as a regular attender. Sing your heart out, be a blessing in conversation to others, make meals for shut-ins, etc.! Perhaps, though, you have someone who is closer to the situation who can advise you better than I can!
@@markwardonwords I appreciate that. Yes they are nice ppl and do give good sermons. I do have friendly conversations. Really hard to find anyone close to my situation though. There's some things I cannot agree on at all, some I can. Part of my calling is promoting and doing outreach events with contemporary Christian music, which is not acceptable in their circle. Though they couldn't stop me from doing this on my own time. One time they had us pledge allegiance to the KJV Bible and usually request other bibles be placed on their "Bad manna" table. So I don't bring my Bible. It's NKJV. There are good things though so I try to focus on that. But it is hard as I was very involved in outreach before and especially as a woman along with my music outreach method. Just wouldn't work. I really am trying to get used to this season. Have a lot of guilt and feel ineffective. IFB churches are usually very small and don't really allow much room for the younger more modern crowd due to their unwillingness for change and my heart has always been with the youth and young adults. But I try to remember all things happen for a reason when you are in Christ.
🙏I’m s😢d for you🙏
Just came out of the IFB movement after 40 years. It’s all I have known. It took nearly two years to do it. It was a struggle and heartbreaking, but I did it.
I remember being a KJV-Onlyist and feeling ready to do battle with those who used modern translations. I remember reading Gail Riplinger's book and believing others like her. I'm thankful I eventually came out of that and am so blessed now to be able to enjoying using any number of good modern translations and also still the King James as well on occasion. Good work on being patient with those who disagree with you! It is worth it.
Because Christ cares for his sheep. Amen.
God is always woking in us and on us. I think many of us might be able to relate to your friend's testimony. The ties that have bound so many to the KJV are loosening and plenty have let go completely. Thank you so much for being a light in the darkness. I've learned so much from you.
My pleasure!
Wow! That is so awesome! Theres no better feeling than being able to see the fruits of your labor, great work Mark!
Couldn't agree more!
What a heartwarming revelation, Mark. One never knows how much ground can be made by patiently working with others who have differing points of view on bible related issues. Kudos to you, my friend!
Yes, I love this story. It’s not over. This brother has had some health trials in his family. Worth a prayer right now.
I grew up kjv. What changed it was Dr. Charles Stanley. Also one word translated different changed my view of God. Chesed translated in kjv mostly mercy gave me a sense of an angry God that i needed to plead for him not to judge me. When i learned the word is translated lovingkindness, I was like wow This God is kind in the Old Testament. Love and kindness together .
Ahhh it feels so good to hear about the fruits of your labor. Well done brother. My heart is blessed this morning.
Thank you kindly
Just left a KJV ONLY church. My last response was to point out that the NKJV 1979-1982, MEV 2015 and Green Literal translation were based on Textus Receptus.
I’m sorry this happened; I don’t enjoy seeing people leave churches that preach the gospel. I could definitely imagine circumstances in which, because I lacked other options, I would willingly attend a KJV-Only church.
@@markwardonwords I'm in a similar boat to what you describe where I've been attending one of these churches for lack of other biblically sound options while not subscribing to a KJV-only belief myself. If you were attending a church like this, say for over a year, would you ever become a "member" or just be a regular attender? I've been wrestling with that question.
@@ashleyfullofgrace32 Ashley, I'd speak humbly and frankly-and privately-with the pastor and/or the leadership, lay out where you're at, and ask for their counsel. If at all possible, you need to join that church. Church membership really is something all Christians should do-for their own good, but also because (I believe!) the Bible assumes and commands it. But if you can't agree to the doctrinal statement and the leadership insists that you have to do so to join the church, then take that as God's providential reason not to join. Tell them you will continue to attend and contribute, that you will not cause any trouble, but that you must obey 1 Cor 14 and continue to read Bible translations in your own English.
My answer is based on your comment and no other factors. To give wise counsel, I'd have to know more.
@@markwardonwords Thank you for this response! It's a good way to approach it. I'm planning to talk with my pastor this weekend.
Praise God for His goodness. God is so GOOD! Awesome great report about him.
Yes!
James White’s book, “The King James Only Controversy” after watching many videos of his and vehemently disagreeing with him is what ultimately lead me away from the KJV only movement. As I continued to dive deeper into theology, I often found myself wanting to avoid the topic of textual criticism, maybe because at that time I was convinced those who engaged in such were adamantly wrong, but there came a time in my pursuit to go deeper I had to humble myself and just read the other side, not just White’s book but others as well. Long story short, after much study and wrestling with the text, the history (transmission and translation), in good conscience and humbled before God I could no longer advocate for KJV Onlyism. I too came to realize the dishonest and sometimes straight lies that would come out of that movement from it’s leaders and the knowledge and documented facts stacked too high against the KJV Only stance that I could no longer see it. Truth be told, I am thankful for people like White. His book and others on this topic will in time rescue many from the KJV cult. I am hoping that God will use me too to reach others as you have Mark, God bless.
Thank you for the kind word!
What a wonderful story. It is so encouraging. Thank you for sharing it.
You are so welcome! Was just talking with this brother's pastor the other day.
Patients, preparation & prayer win the day... something I could use more of. Good to hear a win!
Yes! Praise God!
Mark, I know this is a 3 year old video but I had to tell you that your book, The Use and Misuse of the KJV Bible, along with the book The Forgotten Preface, were instrumental in my view of the KJV. I still use and love it today and it’s my main, but I have several other versions now as well and am not afraid to use them. Thank you for all you have done on this issue. Your thorough research and your graciousness in speaking to others on this issue speaks volumes. Again, thank you.
Thank you for dropping this little message. It's super meaningful. This is why I'm here-to free Christian consciences to read God's word in their own English.
I was KJVO until 2015 when I did my own research. In 2015 I latched onto the HCSB, moved to the NASB95 and now am greatly anticipating the full release of the LSB!
Excellent! Enjoy!
I was preferring Kjv and leaning towards Kjv-onlyism until Daniel 2:21 and Daniel 7:25 started manifesting prophecy fulfilment. And the absence of Hades and Gehenna.
I am kjv only
You are the. Extremist
Am I the only one that gets "the creeps" watching/listening to Mark correctly getting these lengthy quotes spot-on while driving? :)
I must admit, I live in the North-Eastern part of Pennsylvania (Easton), travel regionally, New York City, Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Amish country and northward and I never came across anyone that is a "King James Only-ist" not around here anyway. In my 65 years I've regularly open my bible to many different people and no one ever asks to the sort "What translation is it?" While it's true, King James is still popular around here, if we use bibles that don't have "thees" and "thous" people are glad. The bible was even the foundation of many towns in my area; Nazareth, Bethlehem, Emmaus, Philadelphia and Moravian communities. One possible reason might be many of these were originally German or Pennsylvania Dutch settlements, so they didn't start out using the English "King James" bible (we even have a town "intercourse" certainly not from the King James "Know" ). The larger problem around here is that people just "believe in Jesus," he loves you and forgives you, and therefore you can live however you want and he will forgive you because you believe. Not much more from the bible is needed (from their POV).
I faced the same problem in the South. =(
I’m from the same area in PA, and the kjv onlyists are around. You just need to do a search for Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches. There are a few in the region.
@@PaDutchRunner It could be... For my own experience, I spoke with easily thousands of individuals around here - one-to-one, and before the days of internet, especially since 1973, never found one yet. I've never even heard of the concept until recently from the internet. It's hard to believe people are like that.
@@19king14 Worse then the kjv-onlyism us the virulent anti-Calvinism that seems to be growing on the internet.
@@PaDutchRunner I don’t know if it’s worse but it’s bad for sure.
I have different bible's translations. I was raised around kjv but my first bible i really like was the nkjv now i have different translations i just don't have a genv bible 1556. I really like watches your video they have helped me in my own studies. Thank you for your Teaching
Thank you so much!
Was the thief on the cross KJVO?
Pretty sure he wasn’t! ;)
Love one another.. I absolutely love your comment, I frequently compare The thief on the cross to debunk a lot of nonsense
If the KJV is the only Bible that should be read, and if it is the "standard" which has never been altered (which it has). Then why did it contain the Apocrypha for 274 years and did not remove the Apocrypha until 1885? Seems to me if God was going to create just one Bible that we should read then he wouldn't have allowed the Apocrypha to be part of it for 274 years and then in 1885 remove it. This and 1000 other inconsistencies are examples of why the KJV-Only movement is ridiculous.
The KJV-Only people that I have meet seem to embrace every conspiracy theory known to mankind. Thank you for your video!
These are some valid questions!
My question to KJV-Onlyists is "where was the Bible in 1603?"
Great story!! We just never know the fruit that will come from the seeds we planted years ago
Amen. And I pray that the good teaching planted in me by good men will grow into more and more good.
The people demand a round-up video! Well... I'm not really demanding, but I'd love to see it! Thank you for this video too, what a wonderful story.
Still thinking about doing this!
I have only become aware of your work a few days ago, and I have been enjoying and learning from some of your videos on Bible translations and KJV-Onlyism. Let me share what happened a year or so ago in the independent Baptist church my sister attends. A foreign missionary that is the daugher of the lady who takes my sister to church (and who I believe grew up in this church), had recently come back to the area because of bad health problems. At some point, she asked the church if they would financially support her missionary efforts, just like the do many other missionaries around the world. When the church found out she wasn't using the KJV, they refused on those grounds. She was hurt and angered, my sister didn't seemed to be bothered by this, but I was simply appalled! I couldn't believe the arrogance, the ignorance, and--yes--the stupidity of this bunch. Please understand, this is a good-sized church and one of the oldest churches in Tennessee,. They do many good works for the Lord and MANY people get saved every year through their efforts. God truly blesses this church and its efforts for Him, but this is just outrageous. I am reminded, though, of the words of Jesus on the cross: "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". In this one area, they truly don't know what they are doing--but it's also truly nothing they should be proud of. This was an extremely shameful moment, and I pray that they will be convicted of this attitude/conviction. This is not something that God can bless.
I feel your pain! You know I do. I find it helpful to use Bible words to describe what they're doing-"ignorance," "division," "contention," "strife." But I also find it helpful to think long on 1 Cor 1: not many wise are chosen. And 1 Cor 4: what do I have that I didn't receive? After years of frustration at the ways this movement was affecting me and people I love, I decided to do something about it. I'm grateful to say that it's made a difference! And meeting many people who've come out of the viewpoint/movement and yet have clearly gotten good things out of it (as you recognize good in these misguided folks) has also helped me not be so frustrated with them.
Tom, I know a missionary family in Japan with whom I attended a KJV Only church many years ago. They also refused to support him because the organization he was sent through does not hold a KJV Onlyist position. I am happily support his family monthly and their ministry continues to bear fruit and glorifies Jesus in the process.
Beautiful testimony. Very inspiring and applicable to how we are to treat one another. We should share our beliefs, but dont forget "yet do it with gentleness and respect..."(1 Peter 3:15 ESV)
Hi Mark,
First I want to say thank you again for speaking with me a few weeks ago regarding issues and concerns I had regarding your outlooks and other thoughts we shared. I enjoyed the conversation. I also did get in contact with Bob Gonzales and we had a good conversation as well, Ill speak with him again soon. As you expected, he did invite me to his home to speak more over dinner.
I am commenting on this video however, to discuss a statement you made early in the video regarding "easy believism". It sounded like you were against it essentially. If I am misrepresenting, please correct me. But if I am not, Im curious to know why you dont believe in that. As an Independent Baptist, of course I believe in "easy believism" for the simple fact (amongst many) that all it takes to be saved is Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." That is the Gospel in a nut shell, and those who do that, are saved, period. That is easy. Very easy in fact. Now living for Jesus Christ is difficult of course, as you are to crucify the flesh daily, but believing the Gospel and being saved once and for all, that is very, very easy.
Now here's that comment. I went looking for it. This is so weird, because it was not in my unanswered comments list, sort of my inbox for the channel. I don't get it.
@@markwardonwords haha the mysterious missing comment that wanders from video to video :)
Great video, Bro. I feel so sorry for those 90 Million Chinese Christians who have to learn 1611 English, in order to have the Word of God.
Right. Thankfully, that is a minority view among KJV-Onlyists. But it's definitely out there.
Mark, how were you quoting his email verbatim while you were driving? That was impressive.
I can't reveal all my secrets! =) But I can assure you I was safe, and I was driving in a rural area near my house where I hoped I wouldn't see cars.
Imagine the people in the comments arguing with fellow Christians which Bible they must read, instead of using that energy to help a unbeliever get saved. Yikes!
There is a time and place to argue doctrine-but given that the Bible does not say which Bible translation to use, or how to find one, I do find the division and divisiveness over this issue among evangelical Christians to be very regrettable.
Great video!
I love this story!
@@markwardonwords how rewarding this must be for you. 😊 Good for you.
I hope he continues to dig and ask questions…
I think he has.
Wait. I know this video is about something important, and excuse me for being so frivolous, but did you learn by heart a complete text from from an email and recite it non-chalantly while driving?
No, I didn’t. =) And I was safe, I promise. I was also driving in a little-trafficked area (which didn’t stop two cars from pulling up behind me and urging me to go faster at one point…).
One of positive, although misplaced, attributes of the KJVO crowd is their desire to trust the text of Scripture. That is what God used to remove me from Rome and open my eyes to the Sovereignty of God.
Amen! You are very right!
The Holy Spirit will use your graciousness to work on their hearts.
Excellent!
Thank you!
Thanks for the video.👍
Thanks for watching!
I gave my unbeliever frnd my NKJV , I currently own a KJV , ESV , NIV and many bibles in my language . I read ESV whenever i cant understand KJV , but still suspicious of NIV
The NIV is still worth checking. Just read it and see if it doesn’t help you understand.
Did I hear correct that we will see another update to the Niv bible soon Mark?
Hi Mark,
I have a question for you…the following two verses seem to dispute the account of David slaying Goliath (1 Samuel 17:50 2 Samuel 21:19).
In the KJV, the words “the brother of“ are italicized, which means that the translators of the aforementioned translation inserted these words. So basically, the harsh criticism from KJV onlyists concerning this account are null and void because it says the same thing as “modern” translations without the added words.
How would you address this please?
Thank you
Got this in my notes… For now, check standard evangelical commentaries, I'd say.
@@markwardonwords
Ok, thank you 👍
I literally could almost write you the same email. I had pretty much the same experience also here in Georgia.
Then write it! I’d love to read it!
@@justinjones2160
Where? I’m a Georgia (USA) resident.
@@anthonykeve8894 Montgomery County
Many years ago, I attended an IFB/KJV Only church. When I moved away without apparently getting approval of some, I was castigated beyond belief by a few.
I know of at least four suicides of young people there years ago. I was almost the fifth. No one could live up to the expectations of a few in leadership, so death was a terrible option. I learned of serious scandals in that church committed by leaders. If those young people had known about the clay feet of their leaders, they might still be alive today.
I went totally off the rails and lived such that God would have been just in destroying my flesh. Thanks be to God, I am following Him again, but in an ECO Presbyterian Church. I read the ESV, KJV, NIV, and Legacy Bibles for my spiritual growth.
Thank you for being kind in your ministry towards that young man. It worked.
I honestly believe that a lot of these churches (in the U.S.) are slowly headed in a better direction theologically. The bigger they are and the closer they are to urban centers, the more I observe this-though I 100% acknowledge that I'm using an incredibly broad brush.
I feel for you. What a hard circumstance to be in. =( Jesus' yoke is easy and his burden light, and they tie burdens around people that no one can bear. =(
@@markwardonwords One Wednesday night, the music director preached. He said that men who wore loafers with kilts and tassels were homosexuals. I had to hide my feet and sneak out of the building. My ex-wife bought them! She was incensed. His wife left him later for being an absolute tyrant and not a loving husband. Do you see what I mean?
@@michaelgreen4183 I’ve seen that. I’ve been there. It’s horrible. It’s a betrayal of the grace of God.
@@markwardonwords Amen!
Sweet. And yes, "worth the clickbait title."
Lol, at 5:45 I am totally distracted by how much text you are either reading or quoting--while continuing to drive and look all over the place, haha. How did you do that?
Ha! I'll tell you if you make three serious but wrong guesses! ;)
@@markwardonwords I might not be wrong, though! Lol.
1. You actually memorized it all 🤯
2. You have incredible glare-free glasses and a killer heads up display on your windshield.
3. You were playing a reading of the email through the earpiece in your left ear (visible later in the video) and were echoing it as it played.
Whatever the case, nice job! 😁
#3 it is!
Fantastic
Thank you so much 😀
Mark! How in the world did you read that email while driving? Did you memorize it or do you have it on a HUD on the windshield? Or are you a visual learner????
Bluetooth earpiece. ;)
It looks like you had memorize the whole letter which you read from 5:40 onwards … or?
Guess again!
@@markwardonwords I give up … I can’t. 🙄
I love the KJV Bible the best! Its English is most elegant & musical (listen to Handel’s Messiah). Nevertheless, it is a translation that requires an additional translation in order to understand it. It needs to be translated into contemporary English in the mind of a modern reader before he/she can understand it.
For this reason, if someone should ask me if they should start with the KJV Bible, I would say: I trow not.
I’m searching for why or why not KJV only but I didn’t hear any answer here. Only someone who fully believed in something and someone who did not.
I think this short series is what you want: Authorized: The Use and Misuse of the King James Bible
th-cam.com/play/PLq1Aq0ucgkPA18L9HH_HC4IEgUNvMxsku.html
The KJV Bible is mathematically encoded
"you're only as Godly, as you are rested". K, I'm gone go 😴
I'm super rested. I spent all day in bed yesterday… Sick, sick, sick. =(
My latest video on this topic:
th-cam.com/video/15K0_SO669M/w-d-xo.html
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Mark, did you memorise that email? I take it you are not reading while driving!
I did not memorize it, and I was not reading while driving. =)
@@markwardonwords Very mysterious...
@BrianJohnson-lx3zd I was listening to an electronic voice reading the text into my ear through a Bluetooth device.
A great story. It's the cult like aspects of the KJV O movement that bothers me. It's quite fine if someone chooses to read the KJV or any other translation, I myself, only recently "chose" to read the ESV after year of reading and using the NKJV, and I'm really glad I obeyed thee leading of the Holy Spirit, but when someone starts to undermine my salvation that Jesus purchased and gave me freely and to question my Christian walk, love and sincerit because I don't read not use the KJV, then I have massive issues with it. I really hope more people start to see this narrow minded divisive movement for what it really is. God has given us so many good translations, some admittedly better than others, so why hold down people who wants to read the Bible. Especially in these last days.
Verse-by-verse comparisons between the KJV and modern versions show doctrinal differences between them. Believers have been given a treasure in the complete, consistent witness found in the KJV.
@@sm8johnthreesixteen I've not seen those doctrinal differences you are talking about and I've compared them. Before TH-cam, I knew nothing of this debate and wish I didn't. This is ridiculous and rubbish. I'm from a country where there are not much options when it comes to buying a Bible. Your only option really is either NIV or KJV and occasionally you'll see the odd NKJV. I had an NKJV because of Gideons and when I realized I could buy Bibles online I had someone buy an NKJV for me. Most people here don't read the KJV because they don't understand it, they sit on the shelves and gather dust, they read "modern" translations on their phones or tablets. So according to many the vast majority of people living in my country are going to hell. It seems to me that this KJV only rubbish is an American thing, because I know absolutely no one here in my country who even think about these things. They grab a Bible on their phones and they read.
Earlier this year the Lord lead me to read he ESV, at the time I didn't have one, I had a NKJV I got from a pastor from the United States, I have a tablet and read the ESV from it and prayed and said to the Lord, you have lead me to read the ESV, I don't own one and they are not sold here, and you know, the Lord moved the heart of gracious brother who is a complete stranger to me and me to him and he bought and sent me 2 ESV Bibles, a readers edition and a regular large print in genuine leather which I've been using since. So are KJVO saying to me it was the devil and not God who did this because the modern translations are from the devil and doctrinally deficient?
This will be the last time I comment on this rather ridiculous and unnecessary debate, or read the comments on it. Instead of warring over Bible translations, it would be much more helpful if people would have brotherly love and help others who are far less fortunate and don't even have a Bible.
@@edwardgraham9443 I used to believe that KJV only stuff myself. I don’t think I was ever fully a KJV Onlyist but it is hard for people who hold to that to not think they’re reading “corrupted” Bibles. I will say I invite those who hold to that to know that when it comes to other translations they still are reading the Word of God. That’s what got me, and now I bought and read the ESV myself when I study the Bible in my own time.
@@fighterxaos1 Good on you. God blessss you. Pray, ask God what's the best one for you and use that one and read it and study it and live it till Jesus comes or we go to him, which ever happens first. If people fellowship and share the word of God and encourage each other, pray one for the other and live a godly life, we'll be well but this bickering about a 400 year and counting translation which has served the church well or a modern translation translated by godly, dedicated men and women who have no other desire than to put the word of God in a trusted modern English language where people read, just doesn't strike me a helpful to the body of Christ.
@@edwardgraham9443 It is lamentable that it has been construed as unloving or unkind by some to want people to have the whole, consistent counsel of God as found in the KJV. Once a person knows the differences between the KJV and modern versions and why they matter, I think that love compels them to make other believers aware of those differences. Given the times, it is a great challenge to convey those things in a way that people can receive and appreciate them.
Hi interesting story, thanks for posting! I accidentally engaged in conversation with a KJVO individual several months ago. I belong to a small Eastern Christian Church community. In our community we still worship, read the Bible and communicate using the languages of the Early Church Koine Greek and Aramaic. Despite being a part of a small Christian Community who have maintained the practices of the Early Church and languages, I was told we were wrong for not using the King James Bible. I have learned it is foolish to argue with the foolish, " μωρὰς δὲ ζητήσεις καὶ γενεαλογίας καὶ ἔρεις καὶ μάχας νομικὰς περιΐστασο, εἰσὶν γὰρ ἀνωφελεῖς καὶ μάταιοι". Titus 3:9. I have a question could someone tell me the reason for the King James deletion in 1885 of Books that the the Early Church considered Canonical?
You mean the Apocrypha, friend?
There are churches where people speak in koine greek? που εισι;
@@JasperSynth I live near a Monastery, Koine is in use as well as Modern Greek. I have a friend who lives in a small isolated Greek Community. Because of isolation they maintained Koine as their everyday language. Unlike Hebrew Koine never died, thus needing reconstruction, it is alive and well!
@@markwardonwords , yes, I am sorry for not clarifying that I was speaking of the Apocrypha . God bless you Mark!
@@JasperSynth Yes there are small Eastern Christian Communities where Koine Greek is still in use. I live near a near a Monastic Community, Koine as well as Modern Greek is in use.We also have three fellow Christians who speak Aramaic.
OK. Great video. But the question I have is: why were you a KJV only guy in the first place? Because that is where the head of the snake exists. And that is where the attack must be focused.
Because I was ignorant and trusted people I had good reason to trust. I also had a bit of pride that was stoked by hearing that we few, we happy few, were holding the fort, that we were the faithful remnant. I'm not sure, though, that "attacking" ignorance and arrogance will help. I'm trying a gentler approach than "attacking"-at least most of the time-because I don't remember my KJV-Only church being a whole lot more ignorant or arrogant than other churches. We/they had strengths, too, that shouldn't be ignored.
REPENT! " Thou shalt keep thy hands on the steering wheel and focus thine eyes on the road." (1Transportations 5: 12 DMV)
But I did!
@@markwardonwords all joking aside, a friend of mine I met in seminary has been rear ended twice by drivers taking on their phone. The second driver threw her phone when she realized she allowed it to distract her while driving. The accident happened in front of a school when my friend (a pastor) had stopped at a crosswalk as kids were crossing. Thankfully nobody was hurt.
@@KildaltonBTSI get it! I drove on rural roads near my house!
@@markwardonwords Sorry, I don't mean to be a back seat driver. Thanks for letting me know.
I guess my original comment yesterday wasn't worthy of a response. Hopefully it wasn't offensive to you in some way...
Not at all! I simply don’t see it!
@@markwardonwords Huh, that's weird, ok well I guess that's a good thing lol. Here is the original comment:
Hi Mark,
First I want to say thank you again for speaking with me a few weeks ago regarding issues and concerns I had regarding your outlooks and other thoughts we shared. I enjoyed the conversation. I also did get in contact with Bob Gonzales and we had a good conversation as well, Ill speak with him again soon. As you expected, he did invite me to his home to speak more over dinner.
I am commenting on this video however, to discuss a statement you made early in the video regarding "easy believism". It sounded like you were against it essentially. If I am misrepresenting, please correct me. But if I am not, Im curious to know why you dont believe in that. As an Independent Baptist, of course I believe in "easy believism" for the simple fact (amongst many) that all it takes to be saved is Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." That is the Gospel in a nut shell, and those who do that, are saved, period. That is easy. Very easy in fact. Now living for Jesus Christ is difficult of course, as you are to crucify the flesh daily, but believing the Gospel and being saved once and for all, that is very, very easy.
So glad you contacted Bob!
Easy-believism is a name for leading people in a prayer, demanding no repentance, and saying they’re saved.
@@markwardonwords I guess I can understand the idea you're presenting, but if the person genuinely believes after hearing the Gospel, and you lead them in prayer, are they not saved? Remember it took Philip to explain the Gospel to a Gentile to understand the Gospel spoken about in Isiah "30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me?" Of course once he understood, he confessed and was saved.
Repentance is a change of mind towards God saving you, not yourself being a "god" of your life and needing no justification. Repentance of sins, if that's what you're referring too, is not possible, as we sin everyday regardless of how hard we "try". Now, effort is good of course and we want to please God by "working out our salvation", but earning the gift of God is through faith alone, believing the Gospel. The Bible says repentance for the remission of sins, not to repent of your sins, that's quite different, Yes?
There are ditches on both sides of the road: demanding repentance in such a way that it becomes a meritorious work and telling people who mumbled words they don’t understand that they are saved and no one can say anything different.
It's pronounced gif!
This isn't directly related, but since you're a graduate of Bob Jones University I'll ask you this. I have heard rumors that BJU is racist, and I know that Bob Jones himself was a segregationist. Did you ever experience anything there that you thought was racist, and if so, what?
I think the best place to point you is not to my experience but the apology BJU issued in 2008, an apology I had long hoped we would issue.
www.bju.edu/about/what-we-believe/race-statement.php
(For me) the problem isn't the KJV bible, it is the attitude of superiority and condemnation from the people who INSIST and force it upon others through fear and manipulation. I have no problem with people reading a particular version, but I do dispise the pride of KJV onlyism. I live in the south too and am surrounded by it. And what really gets me is they make little children read it with no other options. Something funny to me is from the pulpit they will"translate" the KJV into modern english so the people can understand....
Yes, this is an all-too common attitude among KJV-Onlyists. But it isn't universal. I've known many gracious and humble and earnest KJV defenders.
I’m in the camp of not judging others. As long as we can agree on the fundamentals of salvation (repentance of sin / faith in Jesus Christ alone) I think I’m fine with a difference in theological opinion here and there.
That being said I personally choose to read the KJV and take it as the word of God preserved in the English language. I’m not a knukle-dragging cave dweller nor am I ignorant to how a someone may misinterpret the KJV due to the use of archaic words. When it comes down to it, I think that most translations of the Bible agree on a good 95% of the message.
The reason for my exclusive use of the KJV is because I have EXTENSIVELY studied it’s history and truly believe it to be inspired by God. That is not to say that other translations are necessarily wrong or evil. I will often cross reference another translation or even the Greek / Hebrew when I want to gain better understanding on a subject or if I find a particular phrase hard to understand in the KJV.
I believe, from my research, that God divinely appointed a man (among others in different languages) to translate the Torah and the received texts from Antioch into the English language. I would encourage every Christian to research the history of the KJV and pray for God to reveal to you what he has revealed to me. If anything else it is absolutely fascinating how the KJV Bible managed to not only be created in the first place but to withstand the might and force of all of the various powers that set out to destroy it there after.
To this day, the Roman Catholic Church openly criticizes the KJV while it not only embraces but literally has ownership or endorses several other modern English translations.
I also believe that the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus are corrupt and incomplete versions of scripture and therefore should NOT be considered for use of any Bible translation. Again, this is my personal belief and I encourage everyone to do their own research. I am an imperfect human being and therefore could be completely wrong in anything that I’m saying.
Now, how do I overcome the archaic language in the KJV? I study. I do not speed read my Bible. I take my time and I reference the words / passages that I find hard to understand. I pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to give me wisdom and understanding. I use other modern translations as well as context from the Greek and Hebrew / Strong’s. It doesn’t happen as often as you think it would but yes, it does happen and I think that is intentional. God is much more intelligent than any of us have the ability to fathom. Why would his word be easy for us to understand? He inspired the various authors of the books of the Bible in a time that such archaic language was mainstream. Both the original authors and those scholars that worked on the KJV. There are several words we may not understand but they are in fact English words that often times have deeper meaning than words that we use today. Particularly when it comes to the Old Testament. The Hebrew language is incredibly complex and words can have several different meanings. In fact, because of his old the language is words can even CHANGE their meaning overtime. We have to be diligent when studying the scriptures. I think that God’s promise to preserve his word has been kept with the KJV for English speaking people.
My friend, I appreciate your tone. But I view your doctrinal view the same way I view the Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary, or her bodily assumption into heaven. Yes: it’s possible that these Marian doctrines and your doctrine of the inspiration of the KJV are correct-God could have done these things. But he didn’t say he did. The Bible does not teach the inspiration of any particular translation. So to preach this as a doctrine divides the church. I’m *not* fine with this. I also think your understanding of language change is confused. I have to presume that you cannot read Hebrew or Greek (based on several things you said, and based on simple statistical likelihood); how do you know that any Hebrew or Greek words were archaic at the time the Spirit chose them? I also have to wonder: how many of the words in my Fifty False Friends in the KJV series did you already know due to your study? Have you watched that series?
@@markwardonwords I have not watched your FFF series but I would love to. You are also correct, I do not know Greek or Hebrew, I rely on interlinear translation tools and believe them to be accurate. I also agree that the Bible does not specifically teach inspiration of any particular translation.
I have done a considerable amount of research into this topic, specifically the origin or the KJV and the texts from which it was translated from. I have also done a fair amount of research into the origins of the NIV and ESV. I will admit I have not studied much into other translations, but simply dismissed them based on the texts they were translated from. All of my information is fallible because it came from man. I obviously was not there and have never held any of these texts in my own hands (nor would have the ability to read them on my own anyway.)
I am going to watch your video (today) and I will comment once finished. I have a lot of free time for study this week and I’m excited to learn another perspective.
Also, I just want to clarify that I am only sharing my own opinions on the KJV / it’s inspiration. Like I said in the post I could be completely wrong, and I’m always open and in fact welcoming to finding new truth. The reason I found your video in the first place was questioning why there are people who condemn one translation or another. I know the KJV ONLY argument so I thought it would be useful to hear the other side.
@@DJMikeSanders Thank you for a gracious response! Here's my Fifty False Friends in the KJV series: th-cam.com/play/PLq1Aq0ucgkPCtHJ5pwhrU1pjMsUr9F2rc.html
And here's a playlist that takes you through the content of my book, Authorized: The Use and Misuse of the King James Bible: th-cam.com/play/PLq1Aq0ucgkPA18L9HH_HC4IEgUNvMxsku.html
@@markwardonwords Just watched #1 and will certainly continue the series. I will also be reading Authorized. I think that so far I am in agreement with there being “dead” or “misleading” words in the KJV if taken literally in today’s English. I’m not 100% sold that it isn’t still the best English translation, and I think that is because I’m not super familiar with any other translation.
Tyndale & Luther’s story certainly seem to be a direct calling and inspiration of God. Specifically Tyndale’s dying prayer and the commission of the KJV shortly thereafter. I also value the translators, 6 separate groups from 3 of the best English universities. The rigorous authorization process. Page by page, scripture by scripture and again the endurance the KJV has had over time despite persecution. You seem to be FAR more knowledgeable than I am and I really value your opinion on this.
My question would then be what is the best translation to use? I’m curious which translation you personally use for daily reading and study?
If there is a superior translation I’d really be interested in learning more about its origin, and the texts from which it was translated.
My friend, I'm really touched by your willingness to listen. I think you'll find the answers-at least the answers *I* give-to all your excellent questions if you'll just keep watching the channel.
Briefly: the KJV translators did excellent work and were top-quality men. But we have translators today who do excellent work and are top-quality Bible scholars and commentators. Translators of today's major evangelical English Bible translations do not at all view themselves as trying to supplant or reject the work of the KJV translators; they see themselves as continuing that work. Vern Poythress is one of my favorite modern translators; he worked on the ESV. I run his website. He's a godly and generous man who gives his gifts to serve others. I've seen it countless times over a decade, because I filter the man emails that come through his site.
The best translation to use is… th-cam.com/video/gFsQv7Z4jis/w-d-xo.html ;)
I do not believe there is a translation that is superior to the KJV if that means I have to put the KJV down. I love the KJV. I believe, however, that 1 Cor 14 teaches that edification requires intelligibility, and that any faithful translation today is "superior to the KJV" *for purposes of contemporary reading, preaching, and study.* But I haven't set aside my KJV. I've kept it in my head, in my heart, and on my shelf (and in my copy of Logos, where I use it every single day multiple times a day!).
Keep watching, and keep commenting! I'd love to hear your thoughts as you go along in the Fifty False Friends series. I really urge you, too, to answer my regular calls to pause the false friends videos and make a comment telling me what you think the word I'm looking into means. I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY value this.
Gifs, not JIFS, please!
Ha! Yeah, I struggle with that one, like a lot of the internet!
If you will forgive my wanton mischievousness, BJU went liberal when they abandoned the oxford comma :)
Yup. But the path back to orthodoxy is easy, at least. ;)
I live in n.y and have yet to find a kjv only church, wish I could.
For those crying Kjv onlyism… if another comes to you preaching another gospel may they be anathema!😮
MEN..MALES...Go to God the Father DIRECY, and ask HIM DIRECTLY in faith... DIRECTLY.... DIRECTLY!!!
IN FAITH...IN FAITH....
if there's a bible "version" thst you can trust, every jot & tittle, with your, and your families eternal soul.
Then, youll never judge gods words based in the words of men, again...
but you'll do a 180, and judge mens words by the words of God.
When I started my walk with GOD I read the NIV Bible. I was in the Bible every day. I memorized scripture verses and I heard JESUS speak to me through HIS WORD. Until I found scripture verses were missing. Anything that is not the full WORD of GOD, which is HE truth, is a lie. Then through the years I bought NLT and CSB. The CSB became my favorite until I found out they do not have this verse I’m now a KJV only. I got rid of all those New Age Bibles.
1st John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, The FATHER, The WORD, and The HOLY GHOST: and these three are one.
Lisa, the New King James Version and the Modern English Version both use the same underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as the King James. And they translate those texts into fully intelligible contemporary English, which means they meet the principle of 1 Corinthians 14, edification requires intelligibility. I recommend the NKJV and MEV to you.
@@markwardonwords If KJV is a perfectly fine translation of the bible, why would you want to steer people away from it?
I read a decent amount of the NKJV alongside the KJV and noticed over and over how many words and phrases were changed so that context was changed with it. If it were for the sake of clarity, they would have changed only what was necessary like the thee's and thy's.
Just look at Revelation 18:23- “And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.” Many bibles try to emphasize 'sorcery' as witchcraft, even though the original Greek is 'pharmekeia' which includes drugs and poisons. These were one and the same in that time period.. if these bibles were meant for modern day readers, they would have considered pharmaceutical companies and medicine in this passage. This is just one example of subtle differences that change an important context. Like how Lucifer didn't tell an outright lie in the garden but instead spun a truth, which is way more deceptive and manipulative.
The man you were talking about in your video all but stated that he moved towards other bibles because he wanted to placate to other people so he didn't feel so lonely- even though the bible states that the way is narrow, and that few would enter.
They didn’t change the words, it’s a fresh translation.
The NIV has no missing verses, they were not part of inspired scripture to begin with. The truth is that the KJV translators used later manuscripts dedicated to the Pope. Where scribes had added uninspired verses like 1 John 5 v 7 Acts 8 v 37. So the KJV is guilty of adding to the word of God. Also what do mean by "new age"? The KJV only heresy is quite new. It could not even have existed before 1611. In fact the KJV only heresy was started by a Seventh Day Adventist cultist. A cult that started with a false prophecy And based on the false teachings of Ellen G White. So what is New Age is the KJV only heresy. A false teaching that does not stand on the authority of God's word.
@user-jr2rp7of4m
So what?
Luther’s first German translation didn’t have the CJ* as is true if several other early Reformation translations.
*Comma Johannium
Please don’t suggest those that never had the privilege of the CJ available to them are not saved - neither did the criminal in Luke 23:40-43
So you now use a version which alters the cardinal doctrines of Biblical Christianity.
My friend, this simply is not true. I kind of don't know what to say this comment (that I frequently get) other than a simple contradiction. I have staked my life on the cardinal doctrines of Christianity: Jesus' virgin birth, his sinless life, his vicarious death for my sins. Why in the world would I-and the hundreds of Bible-believing Christians who have translated the contemporary evangelical versions-form a plot to change the Bible we all have staked our lives on?
@@markwardonwords I was wondering if you could provide answers to the following questions so I can better understand your views on the "cardinal doctrines of Christianity":
(1) What gospel of salvation are you under? [Name the gospel]
(2) Can you lose your salvation? [Yes or No]
@@vilmamannarino7310
1. “Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.”
(1 Corinthians 15:1-5 ESV)
2. No. Salvation makes someone a member of a new covenant, one of the promises of which is a new heart.
@@markwardonwords Thanks for the reply, but your answers have raised more questions for me:
(1) In relation to the apostle Paul's gospel, you correctly claim that a person cannot lose their salvation after believing in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, is a believer's eternal state of salvation fully recognized at the moment of their conversion, or does the believer simply embark on a life-long process of "being saved"? I discussed the verse that you quoted with other people who observed that the wording slants towards Calvinistic thought. Are you a 5-Point Calvinist?
(2) In your answer to my question #2, you mention a "new covenant" involving a "new heart". Are you referring to [Jeremiah 31:31-34] or to some other Bible passage?
As people grow in faith, wisdom, and in the knowledge of the scriptures, they will inevitably recognize flaws in men and in denominations. However, it is incorrect to conflate the flaws of men and denominations with the King James Bible. For centuries, the KJV has been the unmatched, definitive source of doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness for English-speaking men; it continues to be the same today. Here, it seems the flaws of men and denominations are being used to cast a shadow over the KJV. It is right to reject unscriptural things as found in mentors or denominations; it is wrong to encourage people to look askance at the KJV as though it is flawed.
SD, I do not believe the KJV is any more flawed a translation than today's translations. I think it was an excellent translation into an English that is no longer fully in use.
To grow in faith, you must reject the KJV only heresy
This is ridiculous. There is no doctrinal error.
It is a doctrinal error to teach what the Bible does not teach, namely that there is a perfect Bible translation.
Let me quote from the KJV perface:
"[There is] no cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current [that is, circulated], notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For [we ask:] whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?"
Summarized (and shortened) in contemporary English:
"There is no reason why the word of God stops being the word of God when it's translated, simply because some imperfections and blemishes occur in that translation. Was there ever anything perfect in this world aside from those things that were done by apostles?"
The KJV translators go on to argue that we still call a man handsome even if he has some warts on his hand. They say that we judge things-and ought to judge things-by their predominant character, not their exceptions. This means that other translations can be good besides the KJV, and it means that the KJV translators did not regard their work as perfect.
The KJV translators were not KJV-Only. They believed their work was good, but they admitted that there were some Hebrew words they weren't sure of the meaning of. They specifically denied enjoying "an extraordinary measure of God's Spirit" that "privileged [them] with the privilege of infallibility." When you call the KJV perfect, you stand against Scripture and the KJV translators.
@markwardonwords
I copied and saved your Translator’s preference extract and 21st Century translation
MANY thnx
Like it or not, BJU is a worldly institution and a business. Let each work out his own salvation with fear & trembling. More 'Christians' are hell-bound than any other people because of their unwillingness to be led of the Holy Spirit, thus unable to love others as the Lord intended.
That is a rather uncharitable assessment of an institution to which I owe an incalculable debt. It's not perfect; every teacher and staff member there is a sinner, last I checked. But it shaped me in countless positive ways.
John Graham you go ahead and work out your salvation, I'll be joyful in my salvation by actually trusting that Jesus Christ could do what he claimed. To suggest that more Christians are on their way to hell then all of the lost, is just embarrassing ignorance.. you must not have put much thought into that dumbass comment
KJV is the only version worth reading
But I struggle at times to understand it, brother. So what do I do?
@@markwardonwords study harder.... don't tamper with the word of God.
Revelations 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
To change the word of God is blasphemy.
Psalms 12:6-8
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
I pray that God knows your name and it's written in the book and such blasphemy doesn't mean you have turned from the Father.
2 Peter 2:21
@@markwardonwords Why not come to admit in the late 1800's the same crowd of 'enlightened' text critics (the German rationalist's) haphazardly ignited a trend of merging the TR with junk text from Alexandria. I think Historian-pastor Bryan Ross in Grand Rapids mentioned this composite miss-mash text is now on its 29th version. IMHO, mucking around with the Word of God is why the both the church and the world are in the mess it's in today.. they've been chipping away at their own foundations.
Am I right in assuming you're some kind of Arminio-Calvinist? If so, amillennialism might have you believing the church somehow brings-in the Kingdom so Christ can return. Let me ask you, "how's that going?" It's pretty plain to see the pre-trib setup for Satanic one-world ecumenicism unfolding before our very eyes. As TH-camr Scott Clarke likes to sing, I go'in up, Up, UP!! - blessings brother!
@@Nick-wn1xw you realize that the kjv is the only Bible that doesn't reference fake dead sea scrolls or other fake Bible adaptations? 🤔 maybe you need to check your faith and wonder more about who's word you're reading
@@markwardonwords Dear Mark, understanding the word of God is a journey. The more time you spend reading it, the better you will understand. If you want to completely understand you will also need to learn some Greek since the original language of the New Testament is Greek and for important verses it is far better to understand the Greek word instead of any translation, be it English or another language.
It’s easy: Just stop believing there exists today God’s inerrant, infallible, perfect word.
I believe in God's inerrant, infallible word. I need to know what "perfect" means before I can subscribe to it, my friend.
My personal experience with KJV only folk, they are narrow minded and self-righteous.. not exactly qualities that Jesus Christ admires
I have certainly run into many like that-but many, too, who weren't.
@@markwardonwords .. well that's certainly encouraging
Hi Mark,
I have a question for you…the following two verses seem to dispute the account of David slaying Goliath (1 Samuel 17:50 2 Samuel 21:19).
In the KJV, the words “the brother of“ are italicized, which means that the translators of the aforementioned translation inserted these words. So basically, the harsh criticism from KJV onlyists concerning this account are null and void because it says the same thing as “modern” translations without the added words.
How would you address this please?
Thank you
This deserves a video. I was just talking to a colleague today about OT textual criticism. I do not have a developed answer off the top of my head, and the top of my head is all I have time for just now! But I have put this idea in my files!
@@markwardonwords
Thank you so much for the reply. Aside from the KJV element of the basis of the question, I would love to know the “why” of the difference as the variant seems to exist across all translations. I have always hit a dead-end in my search for the reason. I look forward to your thoughts one day.
@@markwardonwords I've actually said a bit myself about the issue and my explanation was that I felt the 2 Samuel version had a couple "bits flipped" in the Hebrew and that the original reading probably resembled that in 1 Corinthians.