Here is the official deal with Ace trucks to set the record straight for anyone reading these comments. Size 44's are 8.38" wide like he says in the video, but the height is NOT 55mm. They're only 52mm tall. Ace lists this officially on their website. I thought they were 53mm tall since the beginning, so I wonder if the latest run brought them down 1mm to change things up. The stock bushings on their latest batch are excellent quality, however, they are very very hard and coming from someone who is 210lbs, I still couldn't get them to turn how they're meant to turn. It makes no sense to me how they would put such restricting bushings stock when they're supposed to be the fastest and deepest turning trucks out there. Perhaps to not scare away folks like the gentlemen in the video from riding them consistently and getting used to them? These ones in the video are the old design and had the more soft stock bushings so they turned a lot more when ridden stock. Anyways, I've found your best bet with Ace's is to just leave the stock bottom bushing and washer alone, but swap the stock top bushing for something shorter. I think that's really what prevents them from functioning properly when ridden stock, the top bushing is tall and a very hard durometer. The hard stock bottom bushing will prevent wheelbite and maintain stock geometry, but a shorter top bushing like an Indy aftermarket, or a Bones bushing will allow it to TURN. Now that they've reinforced the hanger with more metal underneath and eliminated the curved "rocker", they are just as durable as a standard ol' Indy. The casting and quality of aluminum surpasses Indy's, regardless of the fact they're made in China. The metal was a lot "softer" on their older trucks, but these newer ones, while still "softer" than Indy, are a bit "harder" than their previous version so they grind extremely fast and like butter. They are excellent trucks. Period. Again, keep in mind I'm referring to the latest batch of redesigns. Their older ones had a lot of QC issues, but now they seem to finally have their shit together. Anyways, glad to see someone professional and articulate reviewing Ace's. They have a lot of people curious and I see more and more Indy lifers, or whatever truck company the person was loyal to, switching to Ace and never going back. Once you get them dialed in and are used to them, they ruin your ability to skate any other truck, but it's a good thing. Ace for life.
Leave it to an Ace rider to give such a well written response. Thank you. I look forward to trying a newer pair but it is probably good that I tried an older pair as well so I am aware of the past issues. Thanks again for the great comment. I learn so much from posts like these.
It's surprising that no one really has these listed correctly (except Ace now), but to be fair the axles hang out past the nuts more than most trucks, so they skate probably most like a 8.25".
Thanks for the kind words. Unless you need a truck that's super "lite" like one with a forged baseplate and titanium axles and all that stuff, I think Ace are just as versatile for any type of skating just like Indy is considered to be. But most people seem to think otherwise. They have this idea in their head that Ace is this different breed of truck that only allows you to be a curb crusher or pool heshlord. They really just perform like any other truck out there, but they do it better. The aluminum alloy allows longer and smoother grinds, and the geometry allows a faster and deeper turn. With the right dialed-in bushings and pivot cups of your choice, they will feel like a truck is supposed to feel. Not dangerously loose, unless you wanna ride 'em that way. But just...natural.
Anon Ymous. I have a question for you ? A guy told me to use Bones bushing. He said take the stock smaller top washer and put it upside down on the bottom so the geometry stays the same. then use the bones bushing for the top. Please let me know your thoughts. I am super excited about these new trucks, Its raining right now so i can't ride in the parks yet, : (
Dude I love you and your videos, your the realest skate product reviewer on TH-cam who isn’t biased or tells the same generic bs. Keep up the great work Ben!!
It's still a pretty new channel. Also, no trends, no clickbait, and I don't spend much time trying to promote. It's a lot of word of mouth at the moment so feel free to spread the word:)
So actualy ace sponsors mostly pool skaters and growing up in Portland I've skated a lot of transition and that's what ace is meant for.. The curve they have is so that they will lock in better and right away, fresh out of the box! Also we like loose trucks and that's kinda what's up with the base and your wobbled!!
I skated Ace lows a couple of years ago, and when I switched to Avenues the only thing I really missed was the turning ability of the Ace truck. I ride my trucks loose. Now skating Thunders, and it sort of resembles what I remember from the Ace truck turning ability, but I could be remembering wrong. I skated my Ace with Bones medium bushings without any issue, and I remember that because that was the main reason that I went with Ace instead of low indys, that the low Ace truck was compatible with Bones bushings. I dont know about the high variant though. I skated my Ace trucks for under a year, and unfortunately bent both my trucks and had to send them back. Nice review and awesome skating!
I feel like they have a very similar response in turning to thunders but they go farther because of height and wheelbase. They are similarily quick turning but go deeper.
I have a hard time imagining they could be good at that price. Good trucks are worth the money. They last a long time. They are the least disposable part of a skateboard.
One thing about aces is that they get looser the more you skate them, especially if you use the stock bushings. I think that was intentional given that their motto is Loose Trucks Save Lives.
I have to agree with you ACE were not for me either. I tried ACE 55s on an 8.75 Friendship, and thought they felt cheap and could break any moment. I prefer Thunder, and switched them out to Thunder 151 Team Hollows
I bought a set of 44's from zumiez. The top bushings were getting cut up by the washer whenever I'd turn.. Popping out of the washer as well.. Ace replaced the bushings, the new ones did the same until I got them just right.. When I prevented the bushing damage, the trucks felt to tight lmao.. I am riding the 44's with stock indy bushings now
I had two pairs of ace`s 55 (skinnier first generation and the meatier 2nd generation) but I switched back to indys because of reliability. Both pairs ended up in axle bent, and had to replace pivot cups very often. I loved the geometry and preferred it over indys without a doubt. Your reviews are very good and I´ve learnt a lot, I appreciate the work. By the way I think the height of ace trucks are 53mm not 55mm.
I don't know what wheels and bearings you had on this setup, and I don't know about their performance, but their sound is perfect to my ears. Like skate ASMR.
Hey ben, you should try the suspension trucks. I've been wanting to try them but there are no in depth reviews on them. I've heard people say they're good for older riders.
Also, I bent some aces when i was 13 learning 50-50s. That was 5 years ago. They grind down quick and lose their "strength" after a while. I still can't lock in 50-50s straight because they bent. But crooks and smiths are easier for me. 😂
one session and my bushings were all over the place slipping out, chipping. I tried breaking them in riding super loose and tight nothing would change. I loved my other aces but these just wouldn't stay put.
I got 03 and I couldn’t use them on my 14.25 wb. So I got a 14.5 AWS think that’s gonna put me in a more comfortable position. I’m really trying to get use to them because I really think the carving attributes really help enhance the skaters style. They just look so relaxed like our upper bodies. I feel like they may want to just take off to one side or anything tho if you’re not completely on center.
I would be ecstatic about an Ace AF1 truck from you! Long time watcher of this channel and love your content.. keep on shredding Ben! Oh also, it would be so cool to see a review on the New Balance 425 shoes! You’re awesome Ben! Thank you!
This review is ENTIRELY consistent with my own experience with Ace's, and that of friends'. Too squirrely unless you like turboloose trucks, soft metal, etc. Also I have seen/read numerous problems with that pivot bushing issue you mention.
I go back and forth between Indy forged hollows and Thunder Team hollows. I lean towards Indys because of that baseplate/wheel issue mentioned before...but Thunders feel so good for locking-in on transition lip tricks...but I'm preaching to the choir on that one! In any event, happy holidays, Ben!
This sounds like a very honest review. I ride aces with bones in them. I truly love how they turn in transition and find them more stable than indies without losing on turn. They saved my life many times in tight turns. :-) The original pivot cups are weirdly loose, I changed those out. That might be the reason for your squirrely experience?
Bobby Parson the bushings? Just plainly swapped them. Left the spacers in. But I see plenty of guys skating them without any washers. A lot of people seem to like them wobbly loose!
Bobby Parson ah sorry you are obviously talking about the pivot cups! I had Thunder replacement pivotcups lying around. Just popped the original ones out with a knife. I only did change those out on my old set of 33s. I have a pair of newer (special .38) 44s and they have much better pivot cups. I didn't need to replace those. Also the metal seems harder, so they grind very different than the old 33s!
If you like indys but want a slightly looser “surfy” feel definitely try ace trucks. For me indys super soft bushings are the best no matter which trucks I have, but you could definitely use their soft bushings or half soft half super soft if you don’t like your trucks dumb loose. Also if you ride 8.5 or up I’d recommend getting 55’s which are 9.0 in width. Riding an 8.5, 8.625, or 8.75 with 9.0 trucks is a dream🤩 “loose trucks save lives” happy carving!
I love my Ace trucks. It's weird but they're the first set of trucks that I could leave loose and feel completely comfortable on. My only complaint is the weight. They seem really heavy to me. I still ride them on my main setup though.
To some people they’re not. But yes to me they are. Esp in today’s market. To BD and others, 360 grams is light. To me, I only really consider trucks at that weight and below. Aces are at my max weight; One of the biggest differences is fatigue- after hours when you’re low on juice, and trying to land a trick, that’s when the weight becomes a factor-I just feel it takes more and more out of the tank with each try, and instead of getting closer to landing you regress at the end of your sesh
@@guyfromthatthing1017it's crazy you said that because I felt a battle with my switch flips. I love ace trucks. It was my first sesh with them. The only thing I would say that could fix it is leg workouts wich is funny because I just started going back to the gym had to stop for a minute. That leg work is going to help. That's my tip I can give you and anyone. Skate till we die
Just bought my first board today with Ace trucks, experienced my first ever fall aswell. I can ride short distances without fail, but today I failed hard.. Very carvey, more so than any board I've ridden in the past
No that’s cool. I love aces. I’ve been riding them for a year now. I’ve rode 33, 44, and 55’s all on a variety of shapes and I enjoy them. The reason why is because I skate pools in Michigan, and I like the way they grind on outdoor pool coping similarly to a Indy, but again I agree with they are softer.
I might give aces another try . I skated a pair around 2013-14 when they still were still out of the diamond and had the diamond logo on the base . They’re some of the best trucks that I’ve tried the best turn radius and the soft alloy had the butteriest grind .however my axel started to slip making them unskatable unfortunately. I heard they fixed a lot of their manufacturing problems now but I ended up skating Independents stage XI but now I might just give them another go when these Indy’s are dead .
I just recently bought a set of ace classics 66s, I know I’m a weirdo for this but I got used to skating transition with a surf skate as I’m a surfer! I love these trucks they turn almost like my carver trucks on my surf skate but more stable when dropping and in my carve grinds and etc !
Same here, I had CX trucks on a 9.75 old school board and man that set up can carve up any transition. The drop in on those trucks are just to hairy so I'm riding Ace classic 66 and I'm impressed. They will never turn like a CX but for a standard truck I feel like I made the right choice. And yes now I can drop in 👍 Ace are great for the type of skating I do.
Bones mediums with both washers work really well in these actually, I prefer it over the krux bushings. Also I'm pretty sure the height of these trucks isn't 55mm. Tactics says 53mm, and their website says 52mm. I have both the 44s and 55s and neither of them feel like they're 55mm high. Definitely grind down a little quicker than Thunders.
Glad to see a review on Ace's, heard a lot of bad and good about them. I'll stick with the thunders for sure, odd you say that they didn't feel very good Ben your flat ground was looking proper!
1:17 with regards to the shape of the truck, some might argue that this type of bend is more beneficial. I recently watched this video about “pinching” your grinds th-cam.com/video/9CRCaFvaaeU/w-d-xo.html and this shape potentially could help send into any of those 4 pinch spots
I’m currently riding the newer size 55s. With the stock bushings, I was not able t get them adjusted to my liking. They felt way too loose for me. I put Bones bushings in and have outstanding turns and response with stability. I think the metal is softer than, say, an Indy. Not the end of the world, but something I noticed, though I could be wrong. Prior to the 55s I’m skating, I was riding indys for many years. I still think indy has a great truck, but I’d gladly buy another set of Ace 55s when mine are toast.
handywithshovels they are meant to be skated extremely loose thats how people used to skate in the 80s which is what this truck is based on the old indys
This is the content i love Ben. Great review. Vinne Bahn had told me once they were best in bowls and vert, He rides them very tight with great success which seems counterproductive to there design. I would say these are not a truck for beginners.
That is an awesome review Ben! I think that Ace trucks are made in China. The same with Krux and Theeve. I have a pair of Theeve and they have the same soft metal feel as Ace. Not sure if you noticed, but the ride sounds more muffled sound as if you went from 100 hard wheels down to 97s or something less. I put my indies back on with the same wheels, bone bushings, and bearings and it was louder/harder sounding. I prefer the loudness of Indy and Thunder. Thanks for your review on these trucks and great skating in this video.
Since there is a t like shape of the hanger , they tend to bend relatively easy even if you don't skate a lot of drops , there the same metal compound as the force trucks back in the day . It's all under the diamond umbrella. Also aces are based off of the stage 3 indys
I'm a slap lurker. I tried to join but my mac laptop wouldn't let me because the site is not secure. I tried anyway but I never received a confirmation email. I also can't see most of the photobucket photo's. It's kind of annoying. I would actually love to sort all that out and be a Slap Pal. I would like to post photo's of new set ups and nerd out about stuff.
ha sorry for the nerdery... years ago there was a thread about your brother needing a comeback (as there is every year, cause really, he kills it) and "ogopogo" aka ted set the record straight for us peasants as to why he left the skate industry.
I have both Titanium Indys and 66 Aces. They both look good and almost can't tell the difference of how they ride or look. The Aces right now are on my board and will probably stay there.
@Ben Degros: You should try the Ace lows with their hard bushings. Nice poppy surfy feel, not much wheelbite AND good for tech tricks. Wheelbase has to be 14.2 up because of their shrinking geometry. Primitive Teammanager Trent mcclung and Jordan Trahan rides them also like that.
I was doing the carvey hipster thing and then I got a massive wheel bite and ate shit. BIG TIME! The bushings are way, WAAAAY.... too soft. I did have some Krux bushings laying around & put those on. It seems to work alright for now. The bushings that came with my Purple 55' Ace Trucks are really squishy, so squishy that when I got my wheel bite, the bushing came out of its bushing washer on the underside. You can actually bend the bushings back & forth with just your fingers.
There are still Tracker Dart trucks on Ebay...the old ones...They also have some longboard ones that are new I think.. But those were an awesome truck in like 1996...they came out with the Tracker Dart 2 or 3 or something....can't remember...and their biggest claim was they were supposed to have the tightest turning radius of any standard design truck in the industry.
That was an in depth review and i appreciate all the vallide points you bring up thank you! Im a thunder man and iv always hated indys, thinking they were big and heavy. But you DEFENETLY have me wanting to buy a pair to try.
Just put aces on a 10" cruiser/curb slapper set up with 56 mm gslides. They are fun as hell and light. Only downside is even with 3 1/8 risers under each truck i still get wheel bite a little and bushings come out of the cup often. Would not try to come down fakie on a transition with these bad boys either thats just me tho.
Here is the official deal with Ace trucks to set the record straight for anyone reading these comments. Size 44's are 8.38" wide like he says in the video, but the height is NOT 55mm. They're only 52mm tall. Ace lists this officially on their website. I thought they were 53mm tall since the beginning, so I wonder if the latest run brought them down 1mm to change things up. The stock bushings on their latest batch are excellent quality, however, they are very very hard and coming from someone who is 210lbs, I still couldn't get them to turn how they're meant to turn. It makes no sense to me how they would put such restricting bushings stock when they're supposed to be the fastest and deepest turning trucks out there. Perhaps to not scare away folks like the gentlemen in the video from riding them consistently and getting used to them? These ones in the video are the old design and had the more soft stock bushings so they turned a lot more when ridden stock.
Anyways, I've found your best bet with Ace's is to just leave the stock bottom bushing and washer alone, but swap the stock top bushing for something shorter. I think that's really what prevents them from functioning properly when ridden stock, the top bushing is tall and a very hard durometer. The hard stock bottom bushing will prevent wheelbite and maintain stock geometry, but a shorter top bushing like an Indy aftermarket, or a Bones bushing will allow it to TURN.
Now that they've reinforced the hanger with more metal underneath and eliminated the curved "rocker", they are just as durable as a standard ol' Indy. The casting and quality of aluminum surpasses Indy's, regardless of the fact they're made in China. The metal was a lot "softer" on their older trucks, but these newer ones, while still "softer" than Indy, are a bit "harder" than their previous version so they grind extremely fast and like butter. They are excellent trucks. Period. Again, keep in mind I'm referring to the latest batch of redesigns. Their older ones had a lot of QC issues, but now they seem to finally have their shit together.
Anyways, glad to see someone professional and articulate reviewing Ace's. They have a lot of people curious and I see more and more Indy lifers, or whatever truck company the person was loyal to, switching to Ace and never going back. Once you get them dialed in and are used to them, they ruin your ability to skate any other truck, but it's a good thing. Ace for life.
Leave it to an Ace rider to give such a well written response. Thank you. I look forward to trying a newer pair but it is probably good that I tried an older pair as well so I am aware of the past issues. Thanks again for the great comment. I learn so much from posts like these.
It's surprising that no one really has these listed correctly (except Ace now), but to be fair the axles hang out past the nuts more than most trucks, so they skate probably most like a 8.25".
I agree. There was a lot of axle thread sticking out. Adding washers could definitely make it comfy on an 8.38.
Thanks for the kind words. Unless you need a truck that's super "lite" like one with a forged baseplate and titanium axles and all that stuff, I think Ace are just as versatile for any type of skating just like Indy is considered to be. But most people seem to think otherwise. They have this idea in their head that Ace is this different breed of truck that only allows you to be a curb crusher or pool heshlord. They really just perform like any other truck out there, but they do it better. The aluminum alloy allows longer and smoother grinds, and the geometry allows a faster and deeper turn. With the right dialed-in bushings and pivot cups of your choice, they will feel like a truck is supposed to feel. Not dangerously loose, unless you wanna ride 'em that way. But just...natural.
Anon Ymous. I have a question for you ? A guy told me to use Bones bushing. He said take the stock smaller top washer and put it upside down on the bottom so the geometry stays the same. then use the bones bushing for the top. Please let me know your thoughts. I am super excited about these new trucks, Its raining right now so i can't ride in the parks yet, : (
I would love an updated review on Ace's
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Same here.
Dude I love you and your videos, your the realest skate product reviewer on TH-cam who isn’t biased or tells the same generic bs. Keep up the great work Ben!!
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ace trucks are just the same molds as the old independent trucks stage 3s and are made by people that used to work for indy as well
STAGE 2
That's why it's ACE Mfg. Instead of just ACE
The founder of Ace was the TM for indy
Ace trucks are the independent stage3.
Ace are the best trucks in the game imo. They are basically Indys from the 80s the golden age of Skateboarding.
How do u not have more subs
It's still a pretty new channel. Also, no trends, no clickbait, and I don't spend much time trying to promote. It's a lot of word of mouth at the moment so feel free to spread the word:)
Ben Degros appreciate the videos, keep it up.
SLAP Magazine contributes to a lot of my setup madness
nice vid bruv! just ordered some ab 6 hours ago haha, may also make a vid on them
So actualy ace sponsors mostly pool skaters and growing up in Portland I've skated a lot of transition and that's what ace is meant for.. The curve they have is so that they will lock in better and right away, fresh out of the box! Also we like loose trucks and that's kinda what's up with the base and your wobbled!!
Hey, Its Ben hell yeah the looser the better i wanna see those fuckers wobble
bro my trucks so loose out here we dont use bushings GO HARD OR GO HOME hahaha
I skated Ace lows a couple of years ago, and when I switched to Avenues the only thing I really missed was the turning ability of the Ace truck. I ride my trucks loose. Now skating Thunders, and it sort of resembles what I remember from the Ace truck turning ability, but I could be remembering wrong. I skated my Ace with Bones medium bushings without any issue, and I remember that because that was the main reason that I went with Ace instead of low indys, that the low Ace truck was compatible with Bones bushings. I dont know about the high variant though. I skated my Ace trucks for under a year, and unfortunately bent both my trucks and had to send them back. Nice review and awesome skating!
I feel like they have a very similar response in turning to thunders but they go farther because of height and wheelbase. They are similarily quick turning but go deeper.
I just use a Bone's bottom bushing on top it's about the same size as an ace top pushing
Can you do an update on some ace’s? I would like to know what you think of the new ones!
Nice in depth review, I think I'll stick with Thunders but cool to see your perspective on them!
Try the CCS trucks there 20$ for a set of 2 are they any good ? They do make a 149 size check them out
I have a hard time imagining they could be good at that price. Good trucks are worth the money. They last a long time. They are the least disposable part of a skateboard.
They look like a combo of Indy and thunder. They look cool but I'm good with my Indy's they never fail me.
I really hope your joking lol
Mini Logo truck review!
The reverb tail in that garage was glorious
One thing about aces is that they get looser the more you skate them, especially if you use the stock bushings. I think that was intentional given that their motto is Loose Trucks Save Lives.
Stock or bones bushing in your opinion
Been skating the same pair of aces for over a year and love them
We need AF1 review Ben
not all hipsters are carvers, and not all carvers are hipsters*
I bought some ace 44s and only had them maybe not even a whole year and the back axel is already cracked..
I have to agree with you ACE were not for me either. I tried ACE 55s on an 8.75 Friendship, and thought they felt cheap and could break any moment. I prefer Thunder, and switched them out to Thunder 151 Team Hollows
Yeah man, only had mine for like 9months and the back truck axel is already cracked slightly
Please review the ace af1s
I bought a set of 44's from zumiez. The top bushings were getting cut up by the washer whenever I'd turn.. Popping out of the washer as well.. Ace replaced the bushings, the new ones did the same until I got them just right.. When I prevented the bushing damage, the trucks felt to tight lmao.. I am riding the 44's with stock indy bushings now
Same experience. Although I found mine work with Venture purple. I’m on Ace 03 Low though
As a super carvy hipster let me tell you , you did a great job!
Any fingerboarders think these look like brts?
Yup hahah
Samee
bro i thought i was the only one who thought this ..
pretty spot on
It's funny how people can say they're proud to be "fingerboarders" shit is wack
I had two pairs of ace`s 55 (skinnier first generation and the meatier 2nd generation) but I switched back to indys because of reliability. Both pairs ended up in axle bent, and had to replace pivot cups very often. I loved the geometry and preferred it over indys without a doubt. Your reviews are very good and I´ve learnt a lot, I appreciate the work. By the way I think the height of ace trucks are 53mm not 55mm.
I don't know what wheels and bearings you had on this setup, and I don't know about their performance, but their sound is perfect to my ears. Like skate ASMR.
Hey ben, you should try the suspension trucks. I've been wanting to try them but there are no in depth reviews on them. I've heard people say they're good for older riders.
Also, I bent some aces when i was 13 learning 50-50s. That was 5 years ago. They grind down quick and lose their "strength" after a while. I still can't lock in 50-50s straight because they bent. But crooks and smiths are easier for me. 😂
I do want to try them. Again, I will hold out for a free pair. I could easily spend a grand on trucks I want to try.
one session and my bushings were all over the place slipping out, chipping. I tried breaking them in riding super loose and tight nothing would change. I loved my other aces but these just wouldn't stay put.
Did you have Ace classics before?
I got 03 and I couldn’t use them on my 14.25 wb. So I got a 14.5 AWS think that’s gonna put me in a more comfortable position. I’m really trying to get use to them because I really think the carving attributes really help enhance the skaters style. They just look so relaxed like our upper bodies. I feel like they may want to just take off to one side or anything tho if you’re not completely on center.
Gnarly video, thanks for reviewing as I'm curious.
I would be ecstatic about an Ace AF1 truck from you! Long time watcher of this channel and love your content.. keep on shredding Ben! Oh also, it would be so cool to see a review on the New Balance 425 shoes! You’re awesome Ben! Thank you!
This review is ENTIRELY consistent with my own experience with Ace's, and that of friends'. Too squirrely unless you like turboloose trucks, soft metal, etc. Also I have seen/read numerous problems with that pivot bushing issue you mention.
I would be a little bummed if they were the only trucks I had.
I go back and forth between Indy forged hollows and Thunder Team hollows. I lean towards Indys because of that baseplate/wheel issue mentioned before...but Thunders feel so good for locking-in on transition lip tricks...but I'm preaching to the choir on that one! In any event, happy holidays, Ben!
This sounds like a very honest review. I ride aces with bones in them. I truly love how they turn in transition and find them more stable than indies without losing on turn. They saved my life many times in tight turns. :-)
The original pivot cups are weirdly loose, I changed those out. That might be the reason for your squirrely experience?
That was the impression I was getting but I forgot to say that.
how did u change them out ?
Bobby Parson the bushings? Just plainly swapped them. Left the spacers in. But I see plenty of guys skating them without any washers. A lot of people seem to like them wobbly loose!
Bobby Parson ah sorry you are obviously talking about the pivot cups! I had Thunder replacement pivotcups lying around. Just popped the original ones out with a knife. I only did change those out on my old set of 33s. I have a pair of newer (special .38) 44s and they have much better pivot cups. I didn't need to replace those. Also the metal seems harder, so they grind very different than the old 33s!
tim k Thx. I have the new 66 aces. Do u recommend me putting in new Bones bushings or leaving the stock ones in ?
I LOVE how they look. I wish you could review a brand called Trurium. The entire truck is forged and they look AWESOME. It's a brazilian brand.
If you like indys but want a slightly looser “surfy” feel definitely try ace trucks. For me indys super soft bushings are the best no matter which trucks I have, but you could definitely use their soft bushings or half soft half super soft if you don’t like your trucks dumb loose. Also if you ride 8.5 or up I’d recommend getting 55’s which are 9.0 in width. Riding an 8.5, 8.625, or 8.75 with 9.0 trucks is a dream🤩 “loose trucks save lives” happy carving!
I love my Ace trucks. It's weird but they're the first set of trucks that I could leave loose and feel completely comfortable on. My only complaint is the weight. They seem really heavy to me. I still ride them on my main setup though.
To some people they’re not. But yes to me they are. Esp in today’s market. To BD and others, 360 grams is light. To me, I only really consider trucks at that weight and below. Aces are at my max weight; One of the biggest differences is fatigue- after hours when you’re low on juice, and trying to land a trick, that’s when the weight becomes a factor-I just feel it takes more and more out of the tank with each try, and instead of getting closer to landing you regress at the end of your sesh
@@guyfromthatthing1017it's crazy you said that because I felt a battle with my switch flips. I love ace trucks. It was my first sesh with them. The only thing I would say that could fix it is leg workouts wich is funny because I just started going back to the gym had to stop for a minute. That leg work is going to help. That's my tip I can give you and anyone. Skate till we die
Great vid with brute skating
Just bought my first board today with Ace trucks, experienced my first ever fall aswell. I can ride short distances without fail, but today I failed hard.. Very carvey, more so than any board I've ridden in the past
I've started riding ace trucks, and I really like them, this review is fair though. I get wobbles dropping in on them.
awesome work mr. Ben! did you try Caliber standard trucks? curious what they are in comparison to other modern trucks. ty
No that’s cool. I love aces. I’ve been riding them for a year now. I’ve rode 33, 44, and 55’s all on a variety of shapes and I enjoy them. The reason why is because I skate pools in Michigan, and I like the way they grind on outdoor pool coping similarly to a Indy, but again I agree with they are softer.
Never the less, you’re not wrong with how it feels sloppy to nose grind or crooked grind. It looks awkward.
YUo have to realize that trucks all turn differently depending on your weight!
This guy is great, hope he becomes a Vancouver carpenter someday
He eventually did :)
Mine lasted me 4 months lil bit softer than independents
Why the fuck would someone design a skatepark with cracks! Haha
Great reviews man! Honest and informative, keep it up! Subbed!
When I did my first grind on my aces they felt slow compared to my thunder hollow lights
I might give aces another try . I skated a pair around 2013-14 when they still were still out of the diamond and had the diamond logo on the base . They’re some of the best trucks that I’ve tried the best turn radius and the soft alloy had the butteriest grind .however my axel started to slip making them unskatable unfortunately. I heard they fixed a lot of their manufacturing problems now but I ended up skating Independents stage XI but now I might just give them another go when these Indy’s are dead .
You have to use the bottom washer of the ace truck and that allegedly corrects the geometry
there aint nothing hip about turning your skateboard. You can ride these tight and they still turn.
I just recently bought a set of ace classics 66s, I know I’m a weirdo for this but I got used to skating transition with a surf skate as I’m a surfer! I love these trucks they turn almost like my carver trucks on my surf skate but more stable when dropping and in my carve grinds and etc !
Same here, I had CX trucks on a 9.75 old school board and man that set up can carve up any transition. The drop in on those trucks are just to hairy so I'm riding Ace classic 66 and I'm impressed. They will never turn like a CX but for a standard truck I feel like I made the right choice. And yes now I can drop in 👍 Ace are great for the type of skating I do.
Honestly I loved ace but they are really for people love loose trucks to the point where ever move they make results in a turn
I ride 8.25 deck, are ace 44 good for it?
Your a good Dude... Great vids... Thx.
Thanks Bobby:)
Please review the new ones
Stickin w my stage 11's 159 Indys. They're just too good to switch..
Bones mediums with both washers work really well in these actually, I prefer it over the krux bushings. Also I'm pretty sure the height of these trucks isn't 55mm. Tactics says 53mm, and their website says 52mm. I have both the 44s and 55s and neither of them feel like they're 55mm high. Definitely grind down a little quicker than Thunders.
That hangar is... *shivers*
i just love how they look i’m getting some for christmas
Sounds like you need to use harder bushings maybe.
I ride ace trucks because my old trucks came from a Walmart board
Glad to see a review on Ace's, heard a lot of bad and good about them. I'll stick with the thunders for sure, odd you say that they didn't feel very good Ben your flat ground was looking proper!
I managed. I wasn't going very fast though. Also, edits are deceptive. You don't see all misses or sketchy tricks.
Very good point, do a fs heelflip next sesh! Rarely see people do that trick anymore.
Thats because most people can't do them. Including me. But I will try.
1:17 with regards to the shape of the truck, some might argue that this type of bend is more beneficial. I recently watched this video about “pinching” your grinds th-cam.com/video/9CRCaFvaaeU/w-d-xo.html and this shape potentially could help send into any of those 4 pinch spots
This is a pretty good point. Whether that slight curve is enough to cause a noticeable difference is to hard to tell, but the reasoning makes sense!
Were these the trucks back in the day that were called Relics?
I’m currently riding the newer size 55s. With the stock bushings, I was not able t get them adjusted to my liking. They felt way too loose for me. I put Bones bushings in and have outstanding turns and response with stability.
I think the metal is softer than, say, an Indy. Not the end of the world, but something I noticed, though I could be wrong.
Prior to the 55s I’m skating, I was riding indys for many years. I still think indy has a great truck, but I’d gladly buy another set of Ace 55s when mine are toast.
handywithshovels they are meant to be skated extremely loose thats how people used to skate in the 80s which is what this truck is based on the old indys
This is the content i love Ben. Great review. Vinne Bahn had told me once they were best in bowls and vert, He rides them very tight with great success which seems counterproductive to there design. I would say these are not a truck for beginners.
That is an awesome review Ben! I think that Ace trucks are made in China. The same with Krux and Theeve. I have a pair of Theeve and they have the same soft metal feel as Ace. Not sure if you noticed, but the ride sounds more muffled sound as if you went from 100 hard wheels down to 97s or something less. I put my indies back on with the same wheels, bone bushings, and bearings and it was louder/harder sounding. I prefer the loudness of Indy and Thunder. Thanks for your review on these trucks and great skating in this video.
Thanks Kris. I think I owe it to ace to try the new ones but I'm not buying them any time soon.
I was the Thousand like on this vi :) so cool
Love you bro so good from Costa Rica 🇨🇷
Independent trucks ride the best, fuck the rest.
Since there is a t like shape of the hanger , they tend to bend relatively easy even if you don't skate a lot of drops , there the same metal compound as the force trucks back in the day . It's all under the diamond umbrella. Also aces are based off of the stage 3 indys
Thanks for the info. I learn more from the comments of my videos than anywhere else.
yaay! havent watched the vid but glad u did a review of them. they have changed a little bit on the new versions.
and aces have really good grinding. like better than indys, the metal wears down fast but they are super smooth grinding
definitely do a new review on the new ones. the clearance is a lot better, stock bushings, axle nuts, pivots etc.
What deck you are riding in the video Ben?
Ben Degros is a Slap Pal....never knew that!!! Krux bushings works great but stock Ace once broken in are the best.
i heard he skates with the user "ogopogo" sometimes...
I'm a slap lurker. I tried to join but my mac laptop wouldn't let me because the site is not secure. I tried anyway but I never received a confirmation email. I also can't see most of the photobucket photo's. It's kind of annoying. I would actually love to sort all that out and be a Slap Pal. I would like to post photo's of new set ups and nerd out about stuff.
I don't know who that is offhand. I do skate with J Soy.
ha sorry for the nerdery... years ago there was a thread about your brother needing a comeback (as there is every year, cause really, he kills it) and "ogopogo" aka ted set the record straight for us peasants as to why he left the skate industry.
Wish u would try new ones.... Great vids as always.
what’s the size of your shape?
Hey @Ben Degros would stock Indy bushings be good idea to stiffen up the Ace Trucks a bit?
Let me guess
Related to Ted?
Review destructo truck
Thank you for posting this review - very helpful and much appreciated.
you are a super solid skater
New aces review?
2:07 where is this please
I personally find these trucks so ugly - could never ride them
Thunders for me....
That is one of the biggest reasons I'm not crazy about them. Not very aesthetically pleasing. I shouldn't be so superficial but I am.
i love the look of indy’s hangar, ace kinda looks like them from far away. but i don’t like how skinny ace is
So funny u guys say this. How often are you staring at them riding around. lol.
Bobby Parson what’re you supposed to do? Skateboarding looks cool!
I have both Titanium Indys and 66 Aces. They both look good and almost can't tell the difference of how they ride or look. The Aces right now are on my board and will probably stay there.
Can confirm they grind down quick I'm near Axel within 1 month
Same
@@6saiah224 I'm on Indies now🤣
And actually those trucks at 8.35” on the dot the af1 a are like 8th inch shorter
That’s why 8.38 board is perfect for the old school 44s
@Ben Degros: You should try the Ace lows with their hard bushings. Nice poppy surfy feel, not much wheelbite AND good for tech tricks. Wheelbase has to be 14.2 up because of their shrinking geometry. Primitive Teammanager Trent mcclung and Jordan Trahan rides them also like that.
nice video! keep up the great work :)
th-cam.com/video/7JSGBcvWHuw/w-d-xo.html didn´t u visit the spot at 3:09?
I did:)
I was doing the carvey hipster thing and then I got a massive wheel bite and ate shit. BIG TIME! The bushings are way, WAAAAY.... too soft. I did have some Krux bushings laying around & put those on. It seems to work alright for now. The bushings that came with my Purple 55' Ace Trucks are really squishy, so squishy that when I got my wheel bite, the bushing came out of its bushing washer on the underside. You can actually bend the bushings back & forth with just your fingers.
try krux trucks
Tricks are on point
What type of trucks would you recommend for a beginner (28 years old) with a mellow concave deck looking for anything to help with pop 😅
There are still Tracker Dart trucks on Ebay...the old ones...They also have some longboard ones that are new I think.. But those were an awesome truck in like 1996...they came out with the Tracker Dart 2 or 3 or something....can't remember...and their biggest claim was they were supposed to have the tightest turning radius of any standard design truck in the industry.
That was an in depth review and i appreciate all the vallide points you bring up thank you! Im a thunder man and iv always hated indys, thinking they were big and heavy. But you DEFENETLY have me wanting to buy a pair to try.
thanks ben!
Ace the best
Just put aces on a 10" cruiser/curb slapper set up with 56 mm gslides. They are fun as hell and light. Only downside is even with 3 1/8 risers under each truck i still get wheel bite a little and bushings come out of the cup often. Would not try to come down fakie on a transition with these bad boys either thats just me tho.
i wanna try Ace trucks..but no skateshop in my country sells them..