Voyager Lore : Baby's Passing, Vidian Snacks, and a Good Janeway
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- This will be taking a look at Voyager's DeadLock - Let's break it down.. Also I talk about a good Janeway
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This is the unedited version of the Voyager episode Dead Lock.. I wont be able to make money off it for 30 days, but atleast I am using footage CBS is trying to stop me from using. BRAND NEW VIDEO LATER TODAY, WORRY NOT MY LOVELIES.
Do you think Voyager is better them Lost in space TV show and the 1998 movie?
I want to see Naomi & Harry Kim on the Picard series!
How can they stop you for using it if you already bought the DVD or download and paid for it? I hate when Social media outlets try to stop those who actually paid for the merchandise and still can't use it on your own channel...what a load of crap.
CBS is giving my boy Egotatstic Fun Time a hard time too! I really wish Disney or someone would just buy Star Trek from them!
A rare gem of an episode, everyone dies but doesn't (?) because SCIENCE
Lol because science... That's a different TH-cam lol
This is hands down my favourite Star Trek Voyager episode.
IT WAS AWESOME!!
If only the show would have had more episodes like this. When Voyager was good, when, it was outstanding!
I'm with you. I just saw it again and I'm now ranking it #1 ahead of "COURSE:OBLIVION", another with a duplicate Voyager destroyed. TOP 2 ALL STAR TREK series.
I always got the impression many were hurt, but only the two actually died. Remeber, "casualties" are not always deaths. Mind you, I've never understood why they use the same word for both injury and death, but we do that even today.
It’s to mean out of the fighting in this context in military terms causality means “anyone that loses life or limb” it’s unlikely that is what the characters mean though so it presumably means in the sick bay out of it for a bit.
Casualties means:
they cannot report for duty.
I don't think Voyager had families... The only children in the entire run time were either already cooking when they left, or were picked up off a Borg ship.
Janeway was rigidly inflexible with the prime directive whenever bending it (just slightly) would have enormously benefited her crew. But she was happy to completely through it out the window everytime she wanted to impose human morality on a random alien culture.
Or if Ferengi were involved. In her mind, reprimanding some Ferengi for interfering with an alien culture was more important than using a time-sensitive wormhole to get her crew back home. And let's not even get started on every missed opportunity she had whenever she interacted with Q, the god-like being who can send people across the galaxy with the snap of his fingers and back without causing them any harm in the process (as demonstrated in Q-Who). She never once asked him to send Voyager back home. All it would have taken was a small bit of her pride, and her crew could have been saved from years of suffering and death.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Well said. Janeway was a good & likable character. But not the best captain.
In fact she seemed to waffle back & forth about interfering with those two Ferengi in the episode "False Profits".
First she tried to stop them, then she changed her mind a beamed them back down, then she changed her mind yet again and had Neelix impersonate a Ferengi.
The Ferengi weren't federation members and it wasn't a federation world. I'm sure the Ferengi take advantage of less advanced cultures in the Alpha quadrant all the time too.
One of my favorite voyager episodes!
Awesome video. I like how you broke down the episode. If I was in that situation, I might have done the same thing. So actually there have been four Janeways throughout the series. Silver Blood Janeway, Future Admiral Janeway, Duplicated Janeway and the original Janeway. Man my head hurts LOL.
Don't forget Year of Hell Janeway and Shattered Janeway!
Haven't seen this many coffee cups since game of thrones season 8 episodes
I just rewatched a year later and they haven’t been digitally removed?.. wtf?
Janeway was a good character. But a bad captain. Not Kate Mulgrews's fault. It was the abysmal script writing.
I think she was written inconsistently. You almost had to pick which one of her personalities you liked best.
I think she was a great captain more often than not. But yes, inconsistent writing.
@@EvilDragon666 exactly 😆
@@trekjudas Yep.
Give some of the abysmal writing she was given Mulgrew deserved an award for how well she managed to play Janeway. There's a handful of episods that she her so depressed or so extreme that it makes me wish they'd tried to be more realistic and we'd gotten to see her decent into desperation and either madness or turning into a real dictator.
I dont think there were families on nebula class vessels. Now i gotta go to my personal memory alpha. Lol
Lol i said nebula....intrepid class but yep only got families once ensign wildman started up. Lol
It was only supposed to be a two week mission
OH, MY GOD!! Ensign Wildman must have exhausted after using a tricorder and opening a panel!
Maybe she CHOSE to keep working.
Relisten to the dialgue and she eir more then that.. also..yea a peegnant woman about to have a baby should stay off her feet.
@@LoreReloaded I wich b'elanna had been pregnant when the actress was. As far as I'm concerned logically that ship should have been a flying daycare center!
Every woman on that ship should have been pregnant at one point, INCLUDING THE CAPTAIN!
Janeway, "Mr Tuvok, what is happening? Where did all these toddlers come from?!
Tuvok, "Lt. Corsar is a Rabbi'tt. Her species gives birth to twenty young at a time and they mature incredibly fast!"
Pregnancy is a social construct.... 🤔
"Be'Lanna tells me that any attempt to separate the anti-matter will destroy us all."
Keep in mind, at this point in the series, Be'Lanna Torres had proven herself to be unable to identify literal shit in the episode "The 37's." Even with a Tricorder in her hands. Just keep that in mind.
"Promise me that you'll get your crew home." "I will.... unless I need to accost some Ferengi. Or if Q shows up, I'll forget about his powerful abilities and never ask him for help."
This was well done! Nice analysis :)
A warp core overload is an antimatter explosion. The single shared source of antimatter.
The videans should have been more of a threat throughout the series, they always gave me the creeps⁉✴✴
I have an idea as to why the Vidiians may not have heard the initial self-destruct alert. If individual crewmen are utilizing the universal translators in their com-badges, rather than a ship-wide system, and the Vidiians were not in close proximity to a crewman they had not already killed, they may not have had the chance to hear the translated version of the alert if the badges on the dead crewmen were not bothering to translate the warning. This assumes that the badges are detecting that the crewman has been killed and thus "brick" themselves to deny assets to whomever killed the crewman. I think this would make sense, but I don't recall ever specifically seeing this kind of safety function on-screen.
Alternatively, it is possible that the Vidiians are jamming communications to limit their victims' ability to coordinate a defense against them, and this is also screwing with the universal translator function of the badges (especially if the function requires communication with the ship's computer). If any jamming they may be doing is screwing with the internal communications system, then that also could interfere with them receiving the initial alert. In either of these cases, the Vidiian efforts to ease their attack would ironically end up being the petard they were hoisted with.
It may also be possible that the energy weapons of the Vidiians are damaging and disabling the com-badges.
I think it's perfectly fine for alarms to be on the bridge only. I wouldn't really want to know when I am going to die. Can you imagine being anxious knowing you are about to die because of a ship's self destruct? Just make it be instant and without prior knowledge. I am sure the situation there wouldn't have a possibility of using escape pods so why even make an announcement?
One issue with this is in every other star trek ever, it's always taken a minimum of the Captain and first officer to initiate self destruct.
Definitely one of the better episodes
Maybe the self destruct alarm is not translated or ciphered in such a way that only Starfleet translator can decipher it.
Glad to see something remaining consistent between episodes, even if it is Starfleet Security being as useless as ever. You'd think repelling hostile boarding parties would be the _one thing_ they're good at, but, well, it's Starfleet. They usually have the tactical acumen of an over-promoted trout.
I miss the MACO's of Enterprise...
I'm still surprised there aren't automated defenses in place, even if it requires a confirmation from the bridge to start lighting up invaders.
@@timhendricks650 Don't tell Tyr from Andromeda that. He found the idea of automated defenses absurd (of course, this was while his own ship had been hacked and they were firing on him, but details). Though that does bring up a point about that. Any system can be hacked or used wrongly. Internal defenses might be too big a risk should an enemy gain control of it, and thus use it to take the ship that much easier.
@@forestwells5820 That's a good point, especially with how centralized Starfleet ships' main computer systems seem to be. If the main computer is compromised, the defenders are severely limited in almost anything they want to do. All the more reason for Starfleet Security to at least try to show some hint of competence when pirates board their ships.
Even so, setting up local force fields to bottle up and isolate hostiles seems like the sort of thing they could do to at least slow the attackers' progress, rather than letting them just run rampant.
That's why harry never got promoted. He was a copy of the original, therefore any work done would be cheating?
Not many talk about it but I have always noticed that Janeway only used her command codes to activate self destruct. Normally it would take two sets, did Janeway never give Chakotay full first officer command codes?
Not in my imaginary version of the show, no. Actually my version of the show is exactly like Tuvok's holodeck version where the Maquis rebel.
It’s a much smaller ship and only needs one person to authorize it.
@@sovak75 I would have thought the same thing but in DS9 "The Adversary" the Defiant is requiring the captain and first officer's consent and palm-print identification to activate.
Sirstas maybe because it’s a pure warship? Good catch
Sirstas Cavit had the other codes, when he was killed everything reverted to Janeway. And there was probably some regulation about giving self destruct codes to former Starfleet officers turned terrorist. Although I believe Torres wasn’t allowed to eject the warp core by herself in Season 1 but by Season 4 she could, so I don’t know why Janeway wouldn’t trust Chakotay by that point. I don’t know, maybe it’s just Janeway can threaten the crew with it when they don’t work quick enough!?
Hahaha. At 11:30 you refer to the Wildman baby as the Wildling baby. Somebody has been watching too much Game of Throwns :P
I would attack Janeway, before she would attack me. A matter of time.
I thought there had to be multiple command codes given to self destruct. This inconsistency has always bothered me.
It's Trek. Technology works however the writers want it to work that week.
Right! They always had it that at least TWO command officers were needed to engage the self destruct in case the captain gets possessed or something!
Well it was 3 officers in TOS and ST:3, two officers in TNG then one in VOY. Normal progression, but it does seem stupid that they would make it simpler to make it blow up.
@@danielseelye6005 One officer being able to blow up the ship on their own is a bad idea from a security standpoint.
@@trekjudas Well this _IS_ Starfleet we're talking about, OpSec isn't exactly high in their priorities.
Voyager had the same problems Discovery currently has, TOO MANY COOKS! Just like Discovery an entire newtwork's success was riding on shoulder. It had to be a success so that meant they had to make it appeal to everyone. That means watering it down like crazy. It also means that like Discovery every network executive and his mother had a say on how the show was written!
07:25 missed opportunity for some fan service...
You can describe the different Janeway's easily, one is, Scarface! Lol
Maybe do a list of best Captains in sci-fi?
#1: Admiral Adama!!
#2 Captain John Sheridan!
Harry Kim died almost as often as Kenny McCormick
God Damn it, now I got go and watch Deadlock again! lol
Not sucked out into space, blown out. It's a common mistake. 😉
I love your breakdowns, but this one seems to be a bit judgmental at times, and making a lot of comments on preconceived notions.
First: While yes, Starfleet was still allowing families on their ships, Voyager had no families on it as her mission profile didn't allow it. Even Ensign Wildman herself didn't know she was pregnant until after they were stuck in the Delta Quadrant.
Second: Ensign Wildman wasn't doing anything that was physically intensive, she was probably on light duty due to her pregnancy, she was serving on a military vessel where it would be expected that she keeps working if she can, and she probably was okay with continuing to work. Plenty of women work while being pregnant, they just take it easy.
Third: From what I understand, the type of self-destruct that Janeway engaged was where, when the countdown reaches 0, the entire matter/anti-matter supply gets dumped into the reaction chamber, causing a sudden and large explosion. Thus, the Vidians wouldn't detect anything beforehand to warn them of the coming explosion.
Forth: While I don't know for sure, it would make sense that the announcement would only be on the bridge. The purpose of the self-destruct is to keep the ship from falling into the wrong hands. Technically, Voyager was a military vessel and all of the crew knew the risks, if the Vidians heard the announcement, they may try to stop the self-destruct before it finished. Also, from a utilitarian point of, if the crew of Voyager hears the self-destruct alerts, they may stop fighting as hard in the face of impending death (sounds kind of heartless, but these are the kind if things real militaries would consider).
Just some thoughts I had.
You also have to consider whether or not the universal translator would even translate the warning into the Vidian language. Sure the warning could have been broadcast throughout the ship, but would the Vidians have even understood what it meant?
I know this is a leap of logic here, but it might explain why they didn't react to the warning. It would also explain why the Klingons in ST3 didn't react, because apparently only two of the crew understood English.
That really hurt you, didn't it?
Correction, blown out into space
So, Voyager was linked with another Voyager from an alternate universe? Haven't seen that episode in like 25 years..
@Lore, there's an old Star Trek Voyager online with the operator name "The Trek Cynic", who would say "That was a good Voyager episode, but why can't that happen to the REAL Voyager. :P
Older Star Trek fans with a broad breadth of the web resources remember why Voyager was considered the worst Trek TV show at that point in time, even today with Discovery making its rounds and Enterprise looking better and better in retrospect, there are still real axes on Voyager.
This episode was good and had real drama, but Voyager's magical engineering team repaired the entire ship in one episode, like it kept replenishing shuttles and resupplying itself . At least in Battlestargalactica, when they were lost in space, we saw actual shortages of food, water, and fuel being a problem, along with continual battle damage eventually killing a ship. Science fiction is not fun if it doesn't play by its own rules, which is why Voyager and later series after DS9 began to fade. It's not Canon or non-Canon, it's just logical universe.
The traded with alien in the delta quadrant for supplies used replicators to making the parts to repair their ship and make new shuttles if they could design and build the delta flyer making new shuttles was easy
Waiting for your filing get to talk to Starfleet at Earth and your crew gets to talk to their family members they should have had one seeing where Samantha Widman talked to her husband and he gets to see and talk to Naomi Wildman for the first time but it never shown that in any episodes
It is still a janeway being a janeway
alas..
@@LoreReloaded atleast she isnt a wessly crusher
I despised Wesley Crusher.
this show should have been simply titled V
a sci fi show called V
That could be good!
I’m not a feminist or anything but I do think we give her more grief than we would if she were a man.
You dont have to be a feminist to be wrong about something..no worries
Lore Reloaded Ha! But honestly though, Siskio was THE MAN BUT he did some shit Janeway would toss him out an airlock for!
i have this terrible feeling of deja vu!
Windows disconnect sound
.. :(
The two janeway should kiss and make up. Janeway is so stubborn even herself don't like her.
OMG Janeway was so hot in that scene, and I'm not even like that.
Didn’t you post this video yesterday?
There is a pinned post regardings this, It's 4 minutes longer so .. you saw some of it. It includes actual footage from Voyager.
I'm sure I saw this yesterday??
There is a pinned post regardings this, It's 4 minutes longer so .. you saw some of it. It includes actual footage from Voyager.
You were on the other Voyager when you saw it...now you're on the other one. *spooky synths play*
Voyager wasn’t suited well to begin an episodic 90s show. It would have been much better if it was on today taking advantage of today’s serialized storytelling.
Agreed. They couldnt be serialized at the time which sucks
@@LoreReloaded Oh my God I waste so much time rewriting that show in my head because the premise is freaking awesome! It's so awesome Discover just stole it!
Ok, i wouldn't change a thing about the first episode it's perfectly fine, the SECOND episode however is where things would change! Just like in Tuvok's holodeck simulation the Marquis members of Starfleet do NOT get uniforms at first. I want the audience to be able to plainly see that this is not just one happy family. YOU GOTTA EARN THAT SHIT!
Then I don't get rid of the Kazon. I fix them! First I drop the whole ultra sexist schtick, that wasn't entertaining anyone. Two, I focus on what makes them admirable. Within ONE generation they went from being slaves to being a major power in their sector of space. THAT'S AMAZING! They weren't street gangs like Rick Berman envisioned they were Native Americans WHO WON!!
Four: I make the Vidians the scariest new race of aliens since the Weeping Angels! (before Doctor Who overdid them and ruined them) I would do some straight up David Cronenberg body horror SAW in space shit with them!!
lol, you're getting a bit slow on your swear edits.
Yeah, don't do this again. I come here to hear your whiny voice tearing down star trek. I say this as positively as I can: Whine more. Also give us more halo and battlestar galactica, it's right up your alley.
I'm tired and annoyed - Not to do with you. Let me rephrase my comment if you were able to see it. I'm going to be doing more BSG. 'Whiny' I don't find as helpful - but I'll take the feedback you like Voice Over with more criticism.
Actually, I prefer honesty...if you like an episode, tell us why. If you don't, tell us why. Ask long as you have facts and examples to back up your presentation, rather than just "me feelz bad 'bout dis" kinda YT nonsense.
am I having a flash back or am I in a time loop. I hope its a time loop off to play the lotto and the stockmarket