😡HEATED DEBATE😤 - "WHAT'S NEXT FOR FRANK LAMPARD?!"🤔 - Simon Jordan & Jim White
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- Simon Jordan & Jim White discuss Frank Lampard's future as a manager and if Simon Jordan judges ex pros a lot harsher than other managers.
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Simons absolutely spot on
Ex players need to stop thinking they're entitled to big managerial jobs.
They’re egos are as big as their bank balance
@@spms3018 Problem is Jim White is a content and a clout chaser. He knows Wayne Rooney and Lampard is more tabloid content for him than for example Gary O'Neal or Graham Potter so he wants to push the narrative on letting the former legends manage...
@npc3po301 yeah because his father scored all them goals for him 🤣🤣
Why not…?
It worked with Zidane.. Pep… Ancelotti
I personally think it’s more of an English manager thing.
Probably explains why no English manager has won the prem.
I think ex players should take the Zidane, Mourinho, Pep & Arteta route of working under a great manager first & then transition.
A lot of English managers also won’t get jobs abroad to improve their tactics due to the English being so bad at foreign languages also.
It’s a lot easier when someone like Mourinho, Pep & Ancelotti rocks up & they speak a million different languages,
Can you imagine someone like Rooney rocking up to Getafe or Verona with that Thick Scouse Accent🤣
Absolutely- earn your stripes
Next for Lampard? a No2 a assistant manager to a decent manager and actually learn how to be a manager
His pride won't let him do that. Even though he should
Would also like to point out that Burnley deciding to get rid of Dyche just after he had got them out of the relegation zone was also the reason Frank kept Everton up that year. Getting rid of Dyche killed Burnley that season.
Simon also bang on here
Jim is absolutely clueless at times.
Just at times?
He's awful. New presenter needed
True, doesn't detract from the fact he is awful to listen to though 😂
It's clearly intentional, he's supposed to be the ultimate devil's advocate.
He has to be playing daft for the sake of being Devil's advocate... Ain't no way he is that thick...
Don't always agree with Simon but I think he's spot on here. Frank was a great player but he should have stayed at Derby and learnt the art of management before being let loose at Chelsea & Everton where he was out of his depth.
Has Jim ever had a decent counterpoint?
One thing I will give Jim
He sure know how to provoke people and conversations
He does indeed
He’s a bullshitter at a very good one at that too
@@stannats2637 Yeah he knows Lampard and Rooney will give him more headlines than a Potter and Gary O'Neil so he keeps on pushing that narrative.
In the famous words of Roy Keane "That's your (his) job "
Agree with Simon here being a good player doesn't automatically transfer to being a good manager there are enough examples of that
That thumbnail of Simon 😂
Bottom line is Frank should not have left Derby
The James O' Brien comment is ace. 😂😂😂
Yeah Simon goes up in my estimation now, after calling JO'B a weasel
James O'Brien would wipe the floor with him in a debate just like he wipes the floor with people like you two on a daily basis lol Simon can't even win debates against people like Eddie Hearn
@@robhernandez5520 He isn't going to sleep with you mate.
@@chrisshaw3939 😂😂😂
@@chrisshaw3939 What a strange comment to make lol shows what's on your mind
I agree mostly with Simon, especially about Rooney. To sack Eustace for him is crazy 😀⚽️🦅
Excellent broadcasting yet again.
Jordan nails it as usual.
"WHAT'S NEXT FOR FRANK LAMPARED?!"
what was recent for him?
Hahagagaga
brilliant
Sorry, Jim, Lampard will never be a great manager!
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
you're still posting this comment? Wow
Long time bro
Sometimes a bit unsure why frank seems to be rated higher than ole, neither were ultimately good enough but always thought Utd looked the better team over the period they were both managing
Gerrard and Lampard would potentially be good back room staff, assistant etc but never as management
No offence to Lampard but he knew the situation when he went into Chelsea and Everton so he cant complain. He should never of taken the Everton job. If he really wants us to take him seriously as a manager then he needs to drop down to the Championship and show us what hes capable of. Because if he just stays in the Premier League hes just going to get the difficult jobs at the bottom end of the league where he wont be able to show us what he believes how good he is.
"That weasel James o brien " 😅😅
He nailed it
Barely ever agree with Simon,but hes bang on. A playing career does not entitle you to a leg up in managerial positions.
This programme is nothing without Simon - always superb and Jimmer Whyte is his bag man 😄
Best place for Lampard is next to Jimmy and Gary in studio
Frank stinks the place out everywhere he goes - he needs to get down league 2
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g agree bother Allahu Akbar! 🙏🏿
Simon is spot on on lampard rooney and i would argue steven Gerrard is in that bracket also great players don't necessarily make great managers
I dont neccesarily think they are bad managers the problem is their names have got them massive jobs that they have been nowhere near ready for. Should be starting out at league1/ league 2 level not massive premier league clubs and good championship ones. They have all been completely out of their depth. Lampard especially has taken jobs at chelsea and everton at the worst possible times
@@ryanmichael7795They need to go to a fallen giant and see if they can lift them up, that’s one route for them, you would be able to see if they have style of play/systems. You just have to look at what Xabi Alonso is doing in Germany, his team have a style of play that he has managed to implement on them, Frank and Stevie showed nothing.
Yet another spelling mistake from talksport, isnt it supposed to be a professional company.
Last week someone was 'loosing" apparently lol
Changed It now i see... Good good. 👍
Jim is a typical journalist. Simon has his opinion on Lampard. Jim "listens" and what does Jim conclude? "Ah, Simon is anti-Lampard." . . .
Journalism... you gotta hate it.
Frank Lampard played for Man City. Bet you didn't know that. Do a quick wiki search!
A visit to the job centre and claim universal credit
Hopefully he’s entitled to the cost of living payment
Spot on again Simon!
who cares......
Simon is 100% correct
Frank Lampared has a big future. Undeniable
Lol, big future on the warm pundit seat
😂😂😂😂
Frank needs to work along side good managers like Mourinho or Ancelotti
I think we can all agree that Rafa won't be getting a Christmas card from Jordanite this year.
Lampard should manage stable mid table championship side without financial issues and without big ambitions for a couple of seasons . Just to build his team and philosophy and then try to get promoted in the third season ...
Koeman was absolutely useless at Everton, arguably the start of the downfall after spending £150m on rubbish. Some fans still remember him playing DCL at right wing back 😂
Lampard couldnt manage a sweet shop
Frank lampared? Never heard of him.
Top players should be humble n conscious that there's other ppl that have more credentials than Frank m more but again we have to look at owners who give guys the job with not much experience to go off other than names..
As a long-time Leeds supporter, I saw ex-Leeds Revie players try to manage Leeds and fail.
They could not do what their old gaffer Don Revie did.
Then Wilkinson came along and won the league.
Then Bielsa, and we got back to the big time. Bielsa made basic players look great, which couldn't last without refreshing the squad with better.
They all played the game professionally, but only Revie, Wilkinson, and Bielsa were good coaches/managers. Not a job for every ex-player.
This program needs a competent partner for Simon Jordan.
Frank Lampard finished washing dishes and I heard him screaming out his name. I knew he was finished and washed…..
Go to down to League 1 or 2 and learn your trade like everybody else.
Lampard needs to manage at Conference Level and then build upwards if he is a success at that level.
Simon is so right he should have won that FA cup final. He might have gotten more time if he did and artea wouldnt have.
He needs to go to division 1 or the championship and actually learn his craft!Too much,too soon as a manager does not prepare you for challenges!
ETH worked his way up in the Netherlands before landing the Man Utd job!That is the reason why he is calm and does not panic in adversity!
some in the media are furiously touting lampard for managerial positions at premier league/top teams.he needs to take on a position in the championship.
Simple argument, IF Frank is that good then how come people are not banging on the door for him ? He had a lucky season at chelsea and then was rubbish.
Credentials.... Love that. Simon Jordan is spot on!
I think there is a vacancy at Bradford City or Chelsea Ladies for Frank.
Ex-Pros - or great former Premier League players with big egos - should be given a top managerial job in the EPL when they've proven in La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, and Ligue 1 that they can succeed with top teams.
Anyone can manage! It's not hard
Simon is spot on here. Frank Lampard might make a good manager but there are far better qualified people than him at L1 and L2 and possibly non-League level. He needs to be prepared to drop down if he really wants a career in management.
He didn’t have to take the Chelsea or Everton job.
If he wants to get his teeth into a job, go down to league 1/2
With the state of the FA it would not surprise me in the slightest if Lampard was offered the England job when Southgate finally leaves.
I would have frank at Watford FC after all the dross we had over few years plus can we have new owners
Why not? Its a revolving door of managers at that place anyway lmao
@@boreoff6719 we use to be a well run club with the likes of Graham Taylor and Elton John but since the Italian owners took over it’s been a disaster story
If the Italians didnt arrive we would have been in administration and out the league.
Ex player ✅️
White ✅️
Give him the job!
It's amazing how much the media love the players from those England sides and how little they're actually achieving.
Phil Neville - poor in every job
Lampard - poor in all but one job
Gerrard - good at Rangers, poor elsewhere
Rooney - poor at every job
Ashley Cole - Lampard & Rooney's lapdog
John Terry - nobody will touch him
pep was an ex player best manager ever
Lampard would be good for his podcast
Ex pros are not judged more harshly, problem is those guys end up where they shouldn't be and that results in him being judged.
Simon spot on as usual
Simon's wrong. Though not always true, top level players have a higher likelihood of being good managers as they played under top managers and coaches and have experience playing in innovative tactical systems. In order to succeed in your role for the team you need to play in coordination with the the whole team and therefore have an understanding of the team strategy. Moreover, being hardened by changing room politics and seeing how the top managers communicated and controlled the group should help.
That moment when the PD tell you have to fill 10 minutes of airtime with some dead-air rambling...
Be perfect for a team like Sunderland.
Rooney is fine at Birmingham because they are in the Championship. Gerrard at Villa was questionable, but he had enough success in Scotland to justify it. Lampard at Chelsea was a joke.
For Birmingham, sacking a manager who has you in the playoffs and replacing him with one with a total managerial career win ratio of less than 22% is insane
Jim with his gym gear on again. 😄
The Saudis bought it him
Lampard should go to a Championship or League 1 club, build them and get them promoted. Then he has every reason to expect a big job. As it is, he won't do anything.
Back to Derby
Excerpt championship sides don't want to take the risk now
7:04 I’ve got the appetite doesn’t mean I should get the job
In hindsight, he should have stayed at Derby County.
Frank lampard would be a better manager if he has an ounce of tactical knowledge. Also if he had self awareness as he is unable to be critical of himself and his lack of man management. According to frank, if he loses a game then it's the players, if he wins then it's his tactics 🙄
The Cyprus league would be perfect for him
Simon is spot on.
Unless frank is willing to go to the championship or league 1 or just a completely different country then he wont manage again
Chelsea fan here, Frank Lampard walked into those clubs knowing what was his KPI did not deliver.
Tuchel followed him and won the ucl with same team.
No matter how much he waffles in about media he is not a good manager.
Frank Lampard needs a truck load of cash and still hasn't delivered.
He couldn't got promoted with Derby.
Took Chelsea very close to relegation.
He needs to be a bit humble., the players aren't going to train themselves or draw up tactics for him.
He needs to work on that himself.
What did he do at Derby exactly? They lost a playoff final then he jumped ship. Whoopie.
Just hope he doesn't tip up at OUFC!
Not management
Love Simon but sometimes he bilndly guesses based on his own bias: "Would have got them relegated the next season"
Simon normally talks sense, but NOBODY would have taken the Chelsea job when Frank took the Chelsea job the 1st time, they had a transfer ban and had just lost the best player in the league. Then he got to a cup final and lost due to some very bad officiating beating the supposed best Liverpool of all time on the way and also got top 4 beating Jose and Pep in the process, all with pretty much the Chelsea academy side.
There's NOTHING for little Frankie in Managerial career.. He'd relegate City if Pep hand him the keys
Kenny Dalglish, won the double with Liverpool, won the prem, with Blackburn. YnwA.
@user-tn8uu2cu8g you are presuming my religion, and slightly disrespecting it and me, as a roman Catholic my answer to you is no!
He went in on Rooney 😂
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen
Say maybe arteta should not have got arsenal job, arteta was picked by the best manager in the world to be his assistant and arteta learned from the best in the world for years. Frank take on jobs that he has no experience for instead of learning his trade lower down leagues or from a top quality manager
Lampard isn't a manager. Let's leave it at that.
I addition the names given by Simon and Jim, even Roberto Martinez, David Moyes and Carlo Ancelloti couldn't get Neverton to win a trophy. The club's a disaster from top to bottom and their players are decidedly average. Only Howard Kendall brought them any success because he was able to recruit quality in every position. Don't be surprised if they implode over the winter / spring and eventually get relegated!
As a Birmingham City Supporter I 100% agree with Simon Jordan.. 6th after 10 games wrongfully sacked Eustace and now Rooney has played 4, lost 3 and threw away a 2-0 lead in the final 10 mins at home in his 4th.. Well done Wagner 👏🏻👏🏻
U do realize lampard aint managed over 5 years not even 10 he still new to managing.
Jim had the answer. Ex players are paranchuting into the jobs that dont allow for momentum, so yes they will be judged more harshly
Derby was lampard's level and should have refused the chelsea job
Now the likes of john terry are considering league 1
Frank should go away and enjoy his money.
i want an alexa style AI with simons voice and quips. simon..................can you tell me which manager during the premier league has had the best win/loss ratio? NO, you havent earned the right!
Lampard was the best english player but average as maneger ( im not english no chelsea fan either )
Give him the Man City job, that might give the rest of the league a chance.
Jim White should change his name to Keir Starmer. He keeps flip flopping and is quite contradictory.
Jus take a look at Frank Lampards win lost ratio at Everton and Chelsea after 😂😅
Why can't they cut there teeth in the championship, highly competitive league. Instead they choose America .
Cough…. Southgate
Simple (Chelsea in Christmas) 😂🎉
Chelsea women's team
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