The montage of the 1000 years between Flamme's time and Himmel's is about 50 seconds, and the quick sequence of frames of her journey with Himmel is 0.5 seconds. The 1/100 ratio which refers to Frieren always saying the journey not being 1/100 of her life. The director visually shows us how Frieren perceives time
One detail I love is that during the flashbacks with Flamme, their clothes and the architecture are all Greco-Roman style instead of medieval like the rest of the series, because it takes place 1000 years earlier
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@@whade62000 it’s magic. It’s stronger for being a contest a spell that simply tried to control anyone around, it would be much easier to resist. Instead, it’s conditional. We weigh our power, winner gets command. And its creator is smart with it when she’s not completely sure of the outcome, she wears down those she might be in a contest with. This is some classic fantasy stuff.
14:17 Yes, the little spells that she learns help keep keep her love of magic alive. But also, when asked what drives her spell-collecting, she always says, "an idiot complemented the spells I collected." The little spells are her way of connecting with people. The reason Freiren seems so disconnected from others is because she spent almost a millennia in isolation by herself, an isolation that she was rescued from by Himmel (whom she probably & unknowingly loves).
I just recently realized the Hero's Journey before this series was basically a story about how a single flower spell saved the world. Flamme's love of magic came from it, and she gave humanity magic. And then...spoilers for those not far enough in the series Himmel found Frieren through the flower spell as well when he was a child and later they met to save the world. I hope when she does finally get to Aureole, that she makes a field of Himmel's favorite flowers for him that she learned along the way and then I will cry like a bitch.
9:00 a cool detail here about heiter is the amount of mana he has. If frieren is still limiting it to about 1/10 of her total, and heiter says she has 1/5 what he does, then that means he has around half of frierens total mana. At that point in the story, frieren is at least slightly over 900 years old, probably over 1000 already though. Since we don’t know how old she was when flamme found her. But if heiter is around mid 20s at that point, and he has half the mana as a 1000 year old elf, that just goes to show what a monster heiter actually was
When Frieren first meets Fern she says she's very hard to find and practically invisible. And remarks that she is incredibly talented in mana control. Then in the training montage see draws a little circle on the ground around her. Also standing/sitting on still water. All probably ways of training mana suppression.
I think this is why Frieren's favorite spell is the one to create flowers. When she trained with Flamme, she only learned how to fight using magic, so her love of spells diminished. When Flamme told her that the spell to make flowers was what made her love magic, Frieren wanted to learn it to regain that love herself. The spell to create a field of flowers is what made Frieren love magic again.
No fight scene but it still gave us goosebumps. How? Thats why this anime is masterpiece. music background, visual and storytelling is the next level. After 15 years watching anime. This anime is in the top 1 for me.
Just realized this = Aura's estimate of 100 years of training isn't wrong as that is one tenth of a thousand years. Which is the exact ratio Flamme told Frieren to limit her outwardly displayed mana to. The magic control part comes in that if not done right, the appearance will shimmer or seem uneven to an outside observer = visible mana fluctuation. Frieren's magic control was so good that Aura couldn't tell that she was suppressing her mana. This also implies demons have experience detecting each other's mana suppression (if done poorly).
@@kroanosm617 She maintained the same output as 1/10 of her childhood mana which is even more impressive. I mean if she suppressed 1/100 but her mana had increased thousandfold than it'd be caught out. It means that at every point of mana growth, she increased her suppression to match.
The crazy part is that when Heiter first met her and saw her mana, he estimated it to be about a fifth of his own. Heiter having around 500 years worth of mana as a regular guy is pretty crazy.
Something that flies under the radar in this episode is finding just how strong Heiter was. Even with her mana suppressed, she puts out enough that Lugner saw her as enough of a threat to take seriously. When they met in the woods outside of her cabin, Heiter said he had 5 times the mana that she releases. And he was still young there. He still had an entire lifetime after that.
@@kroanosm617 Well, nobody was talking about warriors. Lugner is a mage. Also, the exact amount that Frieren suppresses her mana is irrelevant. The amount she does show is enough for other mages to know she's a threat, and Heiter said he had 5 times more than that at the time they met.
I don‘t know if you‘ve noticed, but all the demons frieren killed (at least after Himmel‘s death) she kills with their own spells. Qual is destroyed by Zoltraak (although modified). Draht is sliced apart by a magic rope. Aura falls under her own spell and chops her own head off (what she‘s been doing to all the knights to keep those able to resist the spell from doing so). Frieren does demons DIRTY
@@hulmhochberg8129 Plus Frieren said that she may have had trouble with a brute force battle. So it wasn't to show them up in some way. It was the best option.
And if you all remember in the second episode where elderly Heiter was sunbathing, you saw Frieren drawing in the dirt a circle around Fern. Basically training Fern not to let her mana overflow and stay within the little circle.
I've heard from other comments that during that'1000 year flash back' the short blip of the 10 years Hero's adventure you barely catch is to scale with the length of the flashbacks running time.
Absolute best ending to an episode Frieren walking away from Aura and casually tells her to kill herself, doesn't break stride, doesn't turn back to look, just keeps walking.
I think the dishonesty in the scene where Flamme explains about concealing the mana is very under appreciated. Too many people dismiss it because it's about killing demons and it's the right think to do, but nobody thinks about how it ridicules all the effort and pride it took to get to the level of magic that Flamme achieved. Imagine working your whole life towards something, putting all your effort, passion and respect into it, just to use it in a dishonest way. I think it's why Flamme in the end regretted only teaching Frieren how to fight the demons. And why l Frieren loves and appreciates all the lesser spells like making tea or cleaning clothes. And why her favourite spell is about flowers. It's a way for her to use magic the way it was meant to be used when she first fell in love with it.
Surpressing the mana for this long makes u stronger and more skilled at manipulating your mana but it's number 1 utilitie was to catch demons off guard, for example here frieren admited that aura could have won if she she kept sending her soldier one ofter the other until frieren got exhausted, but aura got tricked by frieren surpressed mana quantities and she really wanted the honor to kill frieren with her own hands, basically pride
Also id imagine having control over just frieren alone, would basically make up for all the other soldiers she lost. The prestige among demon kind not even to mention.
I am not entirely sure on this, but isn't it stated that constant mana suppression doesn't actually do anything on its own to make you stronger? The whole point is that doing it has no real merit beyond stealth. Heck I think it's even been implied that Frieren could be much stronger if she had focused on something else, but she dedicated herself entirely to doing demons dirty.
@@theposhdinosaur7276 yea kinda, i mean its bound to give you unparalleled control over your mana, which is probably useful. and probably also helps at mana detection, but besides that it doesn't do much. Id say its like just doing cardio, when you want to be a boxer. Good cardio is a necessity and having more of it always helps, but it doesnt replace actually training punches and footwork and techniques.
@@hulmhochberg8129 BIG SPOILER for end of anime(s1) - - - - Could mana suppression/manipulation be a part of what "Frieren" does in the big boss fight at the end? The "Height of Magic"?
@@johnyshadow i have no idea, ... maybe. But as of now i kinda dont think so. It could be a part of it, but Personally i believe it has more to do with the imagination stuff and special trick with übels spell. It might be something similar, something that even frieren doesn't really consciously know how to do, but (untypically for elves) just "feels" somehow.
I loved how this show is written so much. Like you watch the start of the show and you see all this love and praise go to the party who killed the demon king... but then you start to squint at it and you realize that Himmel the Hero is really the only household name. There are some statues of the whole group but there are way more statues of just Himmel and you run into people who knew Himmel or just know of Himmel and his legacy, but they don't even recognize Frieren or in some cases don't even know of her existence. (not all cases ofc but it is heavily weighted toward Himmel and even some toward Heiter in certain scenarios) The old lady in ep 2 talked so passionately about how HImmel saved her and then at the very end of that scene she goes oh yeah there was also an elven mage with him-- and then Frieren diverts the conversation and the scene cuts. Frieren was likely with Himmel when that woman was saved but the woman doesn't even recognize her at first. And when she starts to put two and two together on who Frieren is, Frieren cuts the convo short, avoiding acknowledgment. It is the first tiny lil instance that dominos into a growing string of instances of Frieren avoiding attention that all culminate into this crucial context reveal 8 episodes later explaining Frieren's behavior and why the world barely knows her despite her incredible deeds. It's so beautifully done I could talk about the writing of this story for as long as Frieren could live lol
So, the scolding from last episode that Frieren explains she got from Himmel is due to what is explained a bit in this episode. Frieren lived in obscurity, she just existed, didn’t fight in wars, didn’t train at schools, didn’t do anything to make herself known. So, when she finally got to “fight” and use her abilities, she’s flashy and uncontrolled. That’s why the Demons say she’s always been flashy, Himmel scolded her because she was going too hard. Now, years later you see she’s refined, she’s controlled, it’s like a teenager with immense sport skill but ego and immaturity, vs a black belt master who’s methodical and reserved. Himmel taught her through scolding to grow up, despite being 100s of years older than him.
There's a little connection that is easy to miss in the flashback. Frieren mentions that suppressing her mana makes her tired. We have already learned that Frieren sleeps in late and has trouble waking up. They are connected. At this point she's subconsciously training constantly
Yeah, sadly. Because they are wrong and it's a dumb fan theory. Fern is opposite of sleepy and she does the same. Also Frieren tells us that it was "trying" first, but later it became her "second nature"
@@hulmhochberg8129 Not everyone has the same reaction to things. You take three people doing a physical job like a warehouse worker, one of them may now be sleepy all the time outside of his job, the other might see no difference and the last one might actually have more energy now since they're in better shape. Fern, Flamme and Serie never said or implied that doing this was tiring for them but Frieren did.
@@giantWarioand still the fan theory lacks.. If you start something new, especially physical tasks, your exhaustion will decrease by doing it more often. Kind of training, right? Frieren actually mastered this technique and still gets tired by it? I doubt it. I think that she just got used to it to sleep so long because nobody complained on her behaviour for 1000 years.
@@giantWario they do mention its difficult tho, and doing things that are difficult just take more energy, be it the muscles or the brain. I think frieren just liking to sleep in, is a way simpler explanation, than getting more fatigued by a task that she has 1000 years of practice in and that other people also performed without extra fatigue.
Questionable. Frieren had a lot of time to keep training: + 10 years while being part of the hero party + 50 years she travelled alone afterwards + 30 years after Himmel's death We know she got a looot stronger during the 10 years as she had lots of problems fighting Qual in a whole party. And around 100 years is a while even for Frieren. And not to forget: she spent a lot of time in the 50 years with Flamme honing her suppression skill. I think she had more time to actually become stronger later. So I think: if Frieren has 5x more mana than Aura, then Heiter would be around half as powerful as Aura. Which is quite a lot for his age, but hard to reach Auras level in his remaining time (which makes sense as Aura lived 5x as long as Heiter)
@@MrMastrix If Frieren got a lot stronger in those 10 years Heiter also should get alot stronger. So i guess Heiter after the 10 years is as strong or stronger then aura. And maybe that wasnt even his prime. So as a human he was a fucking monster.
100 years of training = 1/10 Frieren = 1/5 Heiter Heiter had as much mana as Aura, he was an absolute monster and that's why he said "not bad" to an elf having 1/5th of his mana. It's not impossible for humans to be that talented, e.g. Fern casts spells quicker than Frieren at such young age.
I love when an episode ends and the end credits start "and you alright", no no I'm not going to alright, something crazy has just happened! good react !
the best part is to come. and i am not talking about the crazy combat. when you get to the last two episodes remember this episode, and some other episodes. the smallest comments in this show hold the biggest meaning.
Frieren is basically when the player in a video game reaches max level, beats the main villain, finishes the campaign, and now they are just travelling the open world, looking for all the sidequests and rare loot they missed.
A mountain of mana.... If frieren was in the lord of the ring there wouldn't have been a trilogy 😂 Gandalf and even sauron are kids playing magic next to her This episode makes frieren's age an even bigger mystery cause even 1000 years ago she already had more mana than a 500 year old demon when flame meets her, and that was after barely surviving a battle with a demon general so she already dipleated a lot of mana in her battle and still had the equivalent of aura. And if we also take into account her strange perception of time and spending multiple 100 of years in the Forrest with other elves like her who also don't bother to even count years..... God knows how old she really is, most likely over 2000 years.
Where do you get that from? Also apparently 1500 years ago was the last time the goddess was seen and frieren states she wasnt alive that happened and even doubts she existed at all. Most people estimate her at roughly between 1150 to 1300 years old.
My fave episode of this brilliant show. Everything just perfectly builds to it's conclusion. Music is A++, flashbacks are used wonderfully to tell the story.
The reason the demon king ordered the genocide of the elves was actually explained in this episode. One's mana quantity depends on how long one has trained in their life. This leaves humans behind the demons. Elves however have insanely long lifespans, with Frieren having lived longer than most demons ever do - and she's still young. The elves were therefore the primary threat in a war between the demons and the races of mankind, so this was a first strike of sorts.
what's brilliant about this episode is that everyone watching the show knows Aura is about to get her butt handed back to her, and she's the only one doesn't know about it lol
in episode 1, Frieren ask a question to Fern "do you like magic ?" Fern said "somewhat", then Frieren said "just like me, then" in episode 2, not only us but even Fern still didn't believe that sentence. until the episode 10, 50 years after Frieren training with Flamme. Flamme asked her "do you still love magic ?" Frieren said the exact same sentence like what Fern said in episode 1.
Frieren also doesn't know Aura's weak point, but Aura does, so telling her to off herself is more convenient than blasting her in the heart, finding out that isn't her weakpoint, blasting her somewhere else, etc.
What's interesting is that Heiter says a mage with 1/5 of his mana is pretty good. How stupidely op was Heiter if a mage with 5 times less mana is a good candidate to fight the demon king?
@@tatsuyakamikawa4744 I got spoiled for some late manga stuff, everyone in the original party was seriously OP. Which makes you wonder how insane the Demon King was that he fought all four of them all at once. I can only hope we get that fight someday.
Minor spoilers? Maybe? Since he's a priest with the blessing of the Goddess, I wonder if his own mana was gifted to him. I read that as, 'Someone getting 1/5 of my mana without divine intervention is pretty good.'
@@tatsuyakamikawa4744not really. Frieren starts her training only showing a tenth but as we see she gets better. We also see her mana increases a lot over her 1000 years training. By the time she meets the heroes it's way less than a 10th she is showing. Heiter has five times what she shows but much less than half her actual manners. Not to say he wasn't very powerful and there is more to it than mana.
@@101Mant the point is exactly that the amount of mana she "shows" has stayed more or less the same throughout time. This means that Auras' evaluation of a "mage that had 100 years or so of training" IS her suppressed state. We could therefore relatively safely assume, that that was also what Heiter saw when they first met. So therefore Heiter had the mana pool equivalent of a "regular" mage with 3-500 years of training at the age of 20-something. (not accounting for probable species differences in training effectiveness) Now the mana being shown as a cylinder throws me off a bit because of the way that cylindric volume is calculated, but if we are taking Aura as a benchmark, Flamme in HER early twenties had the mana of roughly a 500 year old Demon. This in turn means that Heiter was a (somehow) supremely gifted Human who had a significant percentage of Flammes mana capacity and she is held up as probably the strongest human mage in this worlds' recorded history.
Frieren has 1/5th of Heiter's mana... of course she hides it and that's the first takeaway. But if you think about it, because she supressses it to 10%, it means that Heiter, a mere human actually has half the mana Frieren has... that's unbelievably impressive. We haven't seen what he's capable of in S1 but I'm, sure we will in the next ones.
The way this show makes everyone so emotional, I feel like my heart is in my throat the entire time I'm watching and then the end credits roll. Frieren deserves all the praise it got this season. Its truly a wonderful journey.
I think she just generally likes to be alone, that's a big part why she is not more famous. Frieren is like thanks I'm chillin'. Obviously the time since Himmel's death is different.
I assume the reason the Demon King ordered all the elves killed was because they were the only ones he feared might be able to stop him. Given their long lifespans this makes sense, but he was also wrong because the heroes that took him down included two human and a dwarf in addition to an elf.
Literally, the only thing holding back demons is their pride in their magical abilities. They have so much pride in their mana that they assume everyone is the same as them, flaunting their mana to show how powerful they are but it's exactly because of that it's easier to catch them off guard. Hit them with a strong spell while they're not ready to defend themselves like Flamme or Frieren using their own magic against them. This happens in real life too because many people are so prideful that they underestimate others only to be taken down by those they underestimated.
Flamme explained it - the demons literally cannot suppress their mana long term like Frieren does due to the way their society works. Just like even the humblest rich man would not subject himself to wearing rags and living in the slums for the rest of his life, a demon would not suppress their mana constantly if they wanted to survive amongst their peers.
Supressing one's mana is dishonourable to mages because it's an underhanded tactic to get an edge over another mage, especially since mages in the series holds pride on their magical prowess (especially demons). Imagine a professional NBA player pretending to be a noob and playing to win in a highschool basketball tournament.
As I'm sure many others have said, Flamme's VA passed away in october. She voiced many great characters, but there's something equally sad, poetic and beautiful that her last job was voicing Flamme, with her last request for Frieren to plant flowers around her grave. that this is one of the last phrases she ever uttered on her job as a VA and that we got the chance to hear it barely a few weeks, when the episode aired, before her passing is simply amazing. Edit: And I just noticed something thanks to the flashbacks of Flamme and Frieren together thanks to you. And this is my tenth or eleventh time watching this anime through reactions or by my own. I'm dense AF. Flamme's time was literally the Old Age, she lived either in what would be Rome or in some Roman province, part of the Roman Empire, maybe Galia or Germania. Towards the middle or late empire age. The present though? Everything loks less refined, more rustic, just like in the Middle Ages. After all, there's a thousand years in-between both times.
A lot of people only consider the morality aspect and think "it's not unfair to deceive demons" which is correct, but there is a more important angle that you touch upon at the end: What Flamme's training in mana suppression and war magic has done to Frieren's psyche. When she started she openly loved magic, but her feelings dulled over the next 50 years. This is why Flamme talks about "making a mockery of magic". The love of magic is still there, as shown when Frieren gets excited for the flower spell even after her apathetic response, but it's buried under a training focused on learning suppression and spells purely for the sake of war and victory. That's why Flamme essentially says "we must be the only ones" she's probably not very proud of having pushed that on Frieren. More than anything, it's unfair to themselves. As an aside, if you thought "Frieren the Slayer" was her final form, you have now met "Frieren the gamer".
Exactly this. One of the recurring themes in the show is magic being a metaphor for peoples' hopes and passions. Frieren essentially had those stripped away from her and instead must live her life burying those feelings. The show I think is as much about her journey to remember the hero's party but also in some ways to reconnect with the joy for life that she hasn't really felt in over 1000 years.
This, someone made a great comparison. " Its like an artist training everyday in secret, but to still sound like crap on purpose every day, just so he can show up some other prideful artist once every blue moon." Thats just gotta take the joy out of your art😢.
Frieren not using her name to get her way around everything easily is simply because she does not want all that attention. The girl enjoys her peace, ALOT. Her sleeping all the time? She's a total slob, like, seriously. Probably because there's no one to look after her after Flamme's death, and the fact that she's basically honing her mana control for over 1000 years nonstop. Fern's the only reason she's up more frequently, or she'd be sleeping half a day everyday xD. I also love how Frieren constantly holds back when fighting demons this time compared to when she was still in the Hero's party, as stated in the previous ep where she'd used to be flashy with everything. You can tell how much Himmel's influence got to her. 1000 years after, and she still remembers getting scolded by him. She carefully planned this moment against Aura, and my god, did she deliver.
A little bit that was mentioned in this episode is that suppressing her mana gets tiring for her. And she's been doing it for almost 1,000 years non-stop. She's allowed to be a sleepy slob, IMO.
slight correction, this moment in the timeline is about 28 years after Himmel’s death not 1000. She spent nearly a thousand years in isolation after Flamme’s death before joining Himmel’s party.
The demon king ordered this because the elves has more mana potential than demons and you witnessed it just now by looking at frieren. Demons were insecure and jealous.
The subtext of this show is very good. Flamme says humans are bound by status, yet she is not. Flamme says demons are bound by power, yet they are not. Flamme is a hypocrite on such a level that she isn't even aware of it, and she has passed this on to Frieren. It's up to Fern to break the cycle.
In terms of it being dishonourable, the series never seems to elaborate. I have an idea though. I think the magic users in this world regard this practice as being something like pretending to be a civilian or red cross to make someone lower their guard. If you can't trust that someone who appears to be weak or a non-combatant actually is, then you've got major incentive to wipe out every apparent weakling you encounter. If it was the normal practice it would be kind of terrible for everyone.
After rewatching this for the nth time (from other reactions), I just had an epiphany that Aura, and probably other demons that knows Frieren as Frieren the SLAYER, CANNOT put two in two together as to why this mage, who earned such an infamous name among the demon race, would massacre them with such that little mana (as they are perceiving it while Frieren actually controls and hides it). Like, yeah,, you as a demon is highly intelligent and specialized in magic but, besides empathy, lacks critical logic capabilities. That, or the demons are really just that thick and arrogant and prideful that they do not do and care for it at all (since, you know, they think that they always can just win).
If you know your opponent and yourself you shall be victorious in all your battles. If you know yourself but not your opponent you shall lose a battle for every battle you win. If you know neither yourself nor your opponent you shall never be victorious. Sun Tzu Aura knew only herself. Frieren knew herself and Aura. Victorious half the time vs. always victorious.
We can see how much Frieren HATES demons, so she makes a point of killing them in the most humiliating/ironic was possible, usually with their own techniques. -With Qual she starts by basically telling him "You know that legendary killing magic you spent your entire existence developing? Well, thanks to me, humans now calling 'ordinary offensive magic' and this girl could cast it when she was six. Ya basic. Now I'm going to kill you with a supped up version I created especially to kill demons." -With Draht she's super dismissive "oh no...what ever will I do..." "Really? that was enough to make you feel special? Wow, modern demons are hopeless" Then she uses a cutting technique herself to cut off his hands and then specifically destroys his neck, like he tried to do. -And of course with Aura turning her spell against her and forcing "the Guillotine" to behead herself. For Frieren it's not enough to kill them she wants to BREAK them first.
I think her sleeping all day is just because she's an elf and lives so long...why would she need to wake up early? She has all the time in the world so why hurry out of bed in the morning? I imagine a lot of the elves were like that
The montage of the 1000 years between Flamme's time and Himmel's is about 50 seconds, and the quick sequence of frames of her journey with Himmel is 0.5 seconds. The 1/100 ratio which refers to Frieren always saying the journey not being 1/100 of her life. The director visually shows us how Frieren perceives time
One of my favorite details
It was a really detailed and painstakingly crafted animation.
i like how frieren became a redditor when she bid farewell to aura
And yet that 1/100 changed her more than the 1000 years preceding it.
One detail I love is that during the flashbacks with Flamme, their clothes and the architecture are all Greco-Roman style instead of medieval like the rest of the series, because it takes place 1000 years earlier
Flamme's VA is not with us anymore 😭 R I P 😭
MOTOKOOOOOOOOOOOOOO～～～～～
😭 … and Frieren will go on Remembering Her Voice for us. RIP 🙏
There is still one work in which she appeared, in fact, one work that was recorded before her death.
@@wadepsilon01 WHICH ONE
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And this is how you do efficient storytelling. This episode felt like a movie and doesn't need flashy action scenes. Just masterful!
It wasn't actually good storytelling
A power that makes you kill yourself was a super stupid plot device
@@whade62000sure, sure
@@whade62000 it’s magic. It’s stronger for being a contest a spell that simply tried to control anyone around, it would be much easier to resist. Instead, it’s conditional. We weigh our power, winner gets command. And its creator is smart with it when she’s not completely sure of the outcome, she wears down those she might be in a contest with. This is some classic fantasy stuff.
@@whade62000 with such a powerful magic item comes a big risk. Only a child would think a destructive weapon would never blowback at its user
I love how right after Flamme tells Frieren what her favorite spell is and why, she immediately ask to learn it.
14:17 Yes, the little spells that she learns help keep keep her love of magic alive. But also, when asked what drives her spell-collecting, she always says, "an idiot complemented the spells I collected." The little spells are her way of connecting with people. The reason Freiren seems so disconnected from others is because she spent almost a millennia in isolation by herself, an isolation that she was rescued from by Himmel (whom she probably & unknowingly loves).
I just recently realized the Hero's Journey before this series was basically a story about how a single flower spell saved the world.
Flamme's love of magic came from it, and she gave humanity magic. And then...spoilers for those not far enough in the series
Himmel found Frieren through the flower spell as well when he was a child and later they met to save the world.
I hope when she does finally get to Aureole, that she makes a field of Himmel's favorite flowers for him that she learned along the way and then I will cry like a bitch.
9:00 a cool detail here about heiter is the amount of mana he has. If frieren is still limiting it to about 1/10 of her total, and heiter says she has 1/5 what he does, then that means he has around half of frierens total mana. At that point in the story, frieren is at least slightly over 900 years old, probably over 1000 already though. Since we don’t know how old she was when flamme found her. But if heiter is around mid 20s at that point, and he has half the mana as a 1000 year old elf, that just goes to show what a monster heiter actually was
You can’t say that on TH-cam ICONIC
When Frieren first meets Fern she says she's very hard to find and practically invisible. And remarks that she is incredibly talented in mana control. Then in the training montage see draws a little circle on the ground around her. Also standing/sitting on still water. All probably ways of training mana suppression.
I think this is why Frieren's favorite spell is the one to create flowers. When she trained with Flamme, she only learned how to fight using magic, so her love of spells diminished. When Flamme told her that the spell to make flowers was what made her love magic, Frieren wanted to learn it to regain that love herself. The spell to create a field of flowers is what made Frieren love magic again.
Aura head got chopped off
The ending" are you alright"
The transition is diabolical 😂😂
Every time and I'm always like "She ain't."
doesn't it say "and you alright" ? which doesnt make much sense
@@pooty195 I figure that was a fuckup and it's meant to be 'are'
Aura definitely wasn't alright
Did yous notice that Flamme's pendant is Frieren's earing now?
No fight scene but it still gave us goosebumps. How? Thats why this anime is masterpiece. music background, visual and storytelling is the next level. After 15 years watching anime. This anime is in the top 1 for me.
Just realized this = Aura's estimate of 100 years of training isn't wrong as that is one tenth of a thousand years. Which is the exact ratio Flamme told Frieren to limit her outwardly displayed mana to.
The magic control part comes in that if not done right, the appearance will shimmer or seem uneven to an outside observer = visible mana fluctuation. Frieren's magic control was so good that Aura couldn't tell that she was suppressing her mana. This also implies demons have experience detecting each other's mana suppression (if done poorly).
One tenth was the starting goal. She suppresses it much more than that.
@@kroanosm617 She maintained the same output as 1/10 of her childhood mana which is even more impressive.
I mean if she suppressed 1/100 but her mana had increased thousandfold than it'd be caught out. It means that at every point of mana growth, she increased her suppression to match.
Experience isn’t the right word. My guess? It’s not even something they learn, any more than a human child has to learn to see or hear.
The crazy part is that when Heiter first met her and saw her mana, he estimated it to be about a fifth of his own. Heiter having around 500 years worth of mana as a regular guy is pretty crazy.
One simple, beautiful, magical spell. It's amazing how it all ties together.
1 word to discribe this episode .... masterpiece
Something that flies under the radar in this episode is finding just how strong Heiter was. Even with her mana suppressed, she puts out enough that Lugner saw her as enough of a threat to take seriously. When they met in the woods outside of her cabin, Heiter said he had 5 times the mana that she releases. And he was still young there. He still had an entire lifetime after that.
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but Heiter knew from the start that she was suppressing, so he also could have been lying as a means of understanding what she was doing.
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He did not know until after they started traveling together.
@@kroanosm617 was it in the manga? because it's not specifically said when it became known so it could be theorized he knew all along.
Warriors can't see mana. Lugner can just tell from experience.
Frieren suppresses her mana far more than one tenth. That was just her starting target.
@@kroanosm617 Well, nobody was talking about warriors. Lugner is a mage. Also, the exact amount that Frieren suppresses her mana is irrelevant. The amount she does show is enough for other mages to know she's a threat, and Heiter said he had 5 times more than that at the time they met.
Loved your observations on architecture and her hobbies and a dive into how Flamme shaped her personality. Thanks for reacting.
I don‘t know if you‘ve noticed, but all the demons frieren killed (at least after Himmel‘s death) she kills with their own spells.
Qual is destroyed by Zoltraak (although modified).
Draht is sliced apart by a magic rope.
Aura falls under her own spell and chops her own head off (what she‘s been doing to all the knights to keep those able to resist the spell from doing so).
Frieren does demons DIRTY
Dude I never noticed that, thanks for pointing it out. It makes her even more badass
Draht wasnt killed by rope.
It was just raw mana.
And aura just experienced the drawback of her own invention.
@@hulmhochberg8129 Fair, but she did still cut him, which was ultimately the way he fought as well.
@@hulmhochberg8129iirc she did cut his hands off first but yes the final blow was not magic rope
@@hulmhochberg8129 Plus Frieren said that she may have had trouble with a brute force battle. So it wasn't to show them up in some way. It was the best option.
Looking forward to this reaction! One of my favorite ep in anime. Evan Call's score amplifies the moment SO much.
And if you all remember in the second episode where elderly Heiter was sunbathing, you saw Frieren drawing in the dirt a circle around Fern. Basically training Fern not to let her mana overflow and stay within the little circle.
Take a peak back at episode two in Fern's training montages to see a correlation between her and Frieren's training.
I've heard from other comments that during that'1000 year flash back' the short blip of the 10 years Hero's adventure you barely catch is to scale with the length of the flashbacks running time.
Absolute best ending to an episode Frieren walking away from Aura and casually tells her to kill herself, doesn't break stride, doesn't turn back to look, just keeps walking.
I think the dishonesty in the scene where Flamme explains about concealing the mana is very under appreciated. Too many people dismiss it because it's about killing demons and it's the right think to do, but nobody thinks about how it ridicules all the effort and pride it took to get to the level of magic that Flamme achieved. Imagine working your whole life towards something, putting all your effort, passion and respect into it, just to use it in a dishonest way. I think it's why Flamme in the end regretted only teaching Frieren how to fight the demons. And why l Frieren loves and appreciates all the lesser spells like making tea or cleaning clothes. And why her favourite spell is about flowers. It's a way for her to use magic the way it was meant to be used when she first fell in love with it.
So few people come to this conclusion, at least publicly. 🥲Kudos and ditos. 👏👌👍
And both in Flamme regretting she hadn’t taught her more, and Frieren asking, both said “I love you.”
Surpressing the mana for this long makes u stronger and more skilled at manipulating your mana but it's number 1 utilitie was to catch demons off guard, for example here frieren admited that aura could have won if she she kept sending her soldier one ofter the other until frieren got exhausted, but aura got tricked by frieren surpressed mana quantities and she really wanted the honor to kill frieren with her own hands, basically pride
Also id imagine having control over just frieren alone, would basically make up for all the other soldiers she lost.
The prestige among demon kind not even to mention.
I am not entirely sure on this, but isn't it stated that constant mana suppression doesn't actually do anything on its own to make you stronger? The whole point is that doing it has no real merit beyond stealth. Heck I think it's even been implied that Frieren could be much stronger if she had focused on something else, but she dedicated herself entirely to doing demons dirty.
@@theposhdinosaur7276 yea kinda, i mean its bound to give you unparalleled control over your mana, which is probably useful.
and probably also helps at mana detection, but besides that it doesn't do much.
Id say its like just doing cardio, when you want to be a boxer.
Good cardio is a necessity and having more of it always helps, but it doesnt replace actually training punches and footwork and techniques.
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Could mana suppression/manipulation be a part of what "Frieren" does in the big boss fight at the end? The "Height of Magic"?
@@johnyshadow i have no idea, ... maybe.
But as of now i kinda dont think so.
It could be a part of it, but Personally i believe it has more to do with the imagination stuff and special trick with übels spell.
It might be something similar, something that even frieren doesn't really consciously know how to do, but (untypically for elves) just "feels" somehow.
I'm just watching these to make sure I'm not crazy for getting teary-eyed on every other episode
Also 12:44 nah I think it's just cause she's not a morning person
I loved how this show is written so much. Like you watch the start of the show and you see all this love and praise go to the party who killed the demon king... but then you start to squint at it and you realize that Himmel the Hero is really the only household name. There are some statues of the whole group but there are way more statues of just Himmel and you run into people who knew Himmel or just know of Himmel and his legacy, but they don't even recognize Frieren or in some cases don't even know of her existence. (not all cases ofc but it is heavily weighted toward Himmel and even some toward Heiter in certain scenarios) The old lady in ep 2 talked so passionately about how HImmel saved her and then at the very end of that scene she goes oh yeah there was also an elven mage with him-- and then Frieren diverts the conversation and the scene cuts. Frieren was likely with Himmel when that woman was saved but the woman doesn't even recognize her at first. And when she starts to put two and two together on who Frieren is, Frieren cuts the convo short, avoiding acknowledgment. It is the first tiny lil instance that dominos into a growing string of instances of Frieren avoiding attention that all culminate into this crucial context reveal 8 episodes later explaining Frieren's behavior and why the world barely knows her despite her incredible deeds. It's so beautifully done I could talk about the writing of this story for as long as Frieren could live lol
So, the scolding from last episode that Frieren explains she got from Himmel is due to what is explained a bit in this episode. Frieren lived in obscurity, she just existed, didn’t fight in wars, didn’t train at schools, didn’t do anything to make herself known. So, when she finally got to “fight” and use her abilities, she’s flashy and uncontrolled. That’s why the Demons say she’s always been flashy, Himmel scolded her because she was going too hard. Now, years later you see she’s refined, she’s controlled, it’s like a teenager with immense sport skill but ego and immaturity, vs a black belt master who’s methodical and reserved.
Himmel taught her through scolding to grow up, despite being 100s of years older than him.
There's a little connection that is easy to miss in the flashback. Frieren mentions that suppressing her mana makes her tired. We have already learned that Frieren sleeps in late and has trouble waking up. They are connected. At this point she's subconsciously training constantly
LOL The fact that Kiss had to hold the wall after the episode ended says everything. This was one of the coolest episodes.
one of the few reactions that drew the conclusion of her beeing sleepy all the time!!
But i dont think its accurate, cuz fern does the same and shes not sleepy.
And flamme too, although we see much less of her than fern.
And serie...
Yeah, sadly. Because they are wrong and it's a dumb fan theory. Fern is opposite of sleepy and she does the same. Also Frieren tells us that it was "trying" first, but later it became her "second nature"
@@hulmhochberg8129 Not everyone has the same reaction to things. You take three people doing a physical job like a warehouse worker, one of them may now be sleepy all the time outside of his job, the other might see no difference and the last one might actually have more energy now since they're in better shape. Fern, Flamme and Serie never said or implied that doing this was tiring for them but Frieren did.
@@giantWarioand still the fan theory lacks..
If you start something new, especially physical tasks, your exhaustion will decrease by doing it more often.
Kind of training, right?
Frieren actually mastered this technique and still gets tired by it? I doubt it. I think that she just got used to it to sleep so long because nobody complained on her behaviour for 1000 years.
@@giantWario they do mention its difficult tho, and doing things that are difficult just take more energy, be it the muscles or the brain.
I think frieren just liking to sleep in, is a way simpler explanation, than getting more fatigued by a task that she has 1000 years of practice in and that other people also performed without extra fatigue.
Heiter said she had 1/5 of his mana… Bro Heiter most likely had around the same amount of mana as Aura as a HUMAN! He was OP af!
Questionable. Frieren had a lot of time to keep training:
+ 10 years while being part of the hero party
+ 50 years she travelled alone afterwards
+ 30 years after Himmel's death
We know she got a looot stronger during the 10 years as she had lots of problems fighting Qual in a whole party.
And around 100 years is a while even for Frieren.
And not to forget: she spent a lot of time in the 50 years with Flamme honing her suppression skill. I think she had more time to actually become stronger later.
So I think: if Frieren has 5x more mana than Aura, then Heiter would be around half as powerful as Aura.
Which is quite a lot for his age, but hard to reach Auras level in his remaining time (which makes sense as Aura lived 5x as long as Heiter)
@@MrMastrix If Frieren got a lot stronger in those 10 years Heiter also should get alot stronger. So i guess Heiter after the 10 years is as strong or stronger then aura. And maybe that wasnt even his prime. So as a human he was a fucking monster.
@@1269216 heiter was holding himself back with the alcohol.
100 years of training = 1/10 Frieren = 1/5 Heiter
Heiter had as much mana as Aura, he was an absolute monster and that's why he said "not bad" to an elf having 1/5th of his mana.
It's not impossible for humans to be that talented, e.g. Fern casts spells quicker than Frieren at such young age.
I'm not sure what you are saying.
You have to remember that Frieren always suppresses her mana. So Heiter just saw her suppressed level of mana.
The comedic timing in this show is amazing 😂
Frieren : Flamme
Flamme : You mean master 😂😂
I love when an episode ends and the end credits start "and you alright", no no I'm not going to alright, something crazy has just happened! good react !
the best part is to come. and i am not talking about the crazy combat. when you get to the last two episodes remember this episode, and some other episodes. the smallest comments in this show hold the biggest meaning.
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I can hear the confusion and fear in Aura's voice.
Frieren is basically when the player in a video game reaches max level, beats the main villain, finishes the campaign, and now they are just travelling the open world, looking for all the sidequests and rare loot they missed.
I've been waiting for this episode SINCE YOU STARTED!!
11:05 the moment Frieren became the no. 1 rated anime right there
Still the coldest line in anime since late 2023.
A mountain of mana.... If frieren was in the lord of the ring there wouldn't have been a trilogy 😂 Gandalf and even sauron are kids playing magic next to her
This episode makes frieren's age an even bigger mystery cause even 1000 years ago she already had more mana than a 500 year old demon when flame meets her, and that was after barely surviving a battle with a demon general so she already dipleated a lot of mana in her battle and still had the equivalent of aura.
And if we also take into account her strange perception of time and spending multiple 100 of years in the Forrest with other elves like her who also don't bother to even count years..... God knows how old she really is, most likely over 2000 years.
Where do you get that from?
Also apparently 1500 years ago was the last time the goddess was seen and frieren states she wasnt alive that happened and even doubts she existed at all.
Most people estimate her at roughly between 1150 to 1300 years old.
That flower spell is more important than it seems. You will discover it later.
My fave episode of this brilliant show. Everything just perfectly builds to it's conclusion. Music is A++, flashbacks are used wonderfully to tell the story.
I love how right after she off's herself
the ending: "and you alright"
this EP hits SOOOO much harder... once you get to know the final 2 EPs of this season 😭
今回のリアクションは良かったね〜😂
The reason the demon king ordered the genocide of the elves was actually explained in this episode.
One's mana quantity depends on how long one has trained in their life. This leaves humans behind the demons. Elves however have insanely long lifespans, with Frieren having lived longer than most demons ever do - and she's still young. The elves were therefore the primary threat in a war between the demons and the races of mankind, so this was a first strike of sorts.
what's brilliant about this episode is that everyone watching the show knows Aura is about to get her butt handed back to her, and she's the only one doesn't know about it lol
This episode showcases the true meaning of meekness. Immeasurable and incalculable power held in restraint for the benefit of others.
Now you guys know why Frieren was used to hearing Flamme beg for her life…. Because Flamme was always faking in front of demons. 🤣
Holy shit
I knew you’d love Frieren ❤
PEEK EPISODE BRO!! THIS IS CINEMAAA! THIS IS EPIC!!! THIS IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!
in episode 1, Frieren ask a question to Fern "do you like magic ?"
Fern said "somewhat", then Frieren said "just like me, then"
in episode 2, not only us but even Fern still didn't believe that sentence.
until the episode 10, 50 years after Frieren training with Flamme.
Flamme asked her "do you still love magic ?"
Frieren said the exact same sentence like what Fern said in episode 1.
Frieren is so iconic that we witnessed the return of Kiss' Support Wall haha
Frieren also doesn't know Aura's weak point, but Aura does, so telling her to off herself is more convenient than blasting her in the heart, finding out that isn't her weakpoint, blasting her somewhere else, etc.
i like how frieren became a redditor when she bid farewell to aura
a disgraceful mage, a corrupt priest, a cowardly warrior, and Himmel the hero went on to save the entire world
you gals are one of the smartest anime reactors on youtube, props to you
Fun fact : Aura's voice actor is Ayana Taketatsu and she is the wife of Eren's Voice actor, and their character die- if you know you know 😅
What's interesting is that Heiter says a mage with 1/5 of his mana is pretty good.
How stupidely op was Heiter if a mage with 5 times less mana is a good candidate to fight the demon king?
In other words, Heiter has a mana of around 500 years. That's quite insane for a human.
@@tatsuyakamikawa4744 I got spoiled for some late manga stuff, everyone in the original party was seriously OP. Which makes you wonder how insane the Demon King was that he fought all four of them all at once. I can only hope we get that fight someday.
Minor spoilers? Maybe?
Since he's a priest with the blessing of the Goddess, I wonder if his own mana was gifted to him. I read that as, 'Someone getting 1/5 of my mana without divine intervention is pretty good.'
@@tatsuyakamikawa4744not really.
Frieren starts her training only showing a tenth but as we see she gets better. We also see her mana increases a lot over her 1000 years training.
By the time she meets the heroes it's way less than a 10th she is showing. Heiter has five times what she shows but much less than half her actual manners.
Not to say he wasn't very powerful and there is more to it than mana.
@@101Mant the point is exactly that the amount of mana she "shows" has stayed more or less the same throughout time. This means that Auras' evaluation of a "mage that had 100 years or so of training" IS her suppressed state. We could therefore relatively safely assume, that that was also what Heiter saw when they first met. So therefore Heiter had the mana pool equivalent of a "regular" mage with 3-500 years of training at the age of 20-something. (not accounting for probable species differences in training effectiveness)
Now the mana being shown as a cylinder throws me off a bit because of the way that cylindric volume is calculated, but if we are taking Aura as a benchmark, Flamme in HER early twenties had the mana of roughly a 500 year old Demon. This in turn means that Heiter was a (somehow) supremely gifted Human who had a significant percentage of Flammes mana capacity and she is held up as probably the strongest human mage in this worlds' recorded history.
The Japanese VA for Flemme passed away back in August. 😢
Frieren really used the gamer's ultimate move on Aura 💀
If you love Flamme's voice, you should add Ghost in the Shell to your list. She voices the main character, and it's a great show.
Frieren, the queen of gaming chat rooms. Only other she could've done was T-pose over Aura as she vanished
naaa that 'I'm done with you' walk away is worse than anything... she ain't got time for bragging over some dirty she brushed off her cloak.
Frieren has 1/5th of Heiter's mana... of course she hides it and that's the first takeaway. But if you think about it, because she supressses it to 10%, it means that Heiter, a mere human actually has half the mana Frieren has... that's unbelievably impressive. We haven't seen what he's capable of in S1 but I'm, sure we will in the next ones.
The episode anime watchers find out Frieren is HEAVY METAL
aura kill herself
"and you alright?~~ "
Auras skill "Auslese" means selection in german.
A rather old fashioned word for it tho, not commonly used.
The 500 years old demon using old fashioned words for things also makes a lot of sense though.
00:53 This always makes me laugh.
Aura: End herself
Outro: "And you alright~"
No, no she doesn't
Every line in this episode is literary.
The English dub of friren telling aura to kill herself is SO good
The way this show makes everyone so emotional, I feel like my heart is in my throat the entire time I'm watching and then the end credits roll. Frieren deserves all the praise it got this season. Its truly a wonderful journey.
I love how from the first meeting Heiter made her angry
And thats why Frieren is the best.
Flamme's VA is soooo majestic and divine, she also do hanami (Asparagus if you are Gojo Satoru XD) from JJK. Rest In Peace Atsuko Tanaka
I think she just generally likes to be alone, that's a big part why she is not more famous. Frieren is like thanks I'm chillin'. Obviously the time since Himmel's death is different.
I assume the reason the Demon King ordered all the elves killed was because they were the only ones he feared might be able to stop him. Given their long lifespans this makes sense, but he was also wrong because the heroes that took him down included two human and a dwarf in addition to an elf.
Literally, the only thing holding back demons is their pride in their magical abilities. They have so much pride in their mana that they assume everyone is the same as them, flaunting their mana to show how powerful they are but it's exactly because of that it's easier to catch them off guard. Hit them with a strong spell while they're not ready to defend themselves like Flamme or Frieren using their own magic against them.
This happens in real life too because many people are so prideful that they underestimate others only to be taken down by those they underestimated.
Flamme explained it - the demons literally cannot suppress their mana long term like Frieren does due to the way their society works. Just like even the humblest rich man would not subject himself to wearing rags and living in the slums for the rest of his life, a demon would not suppress their mana constantly if they wanted to survive amongst their peers.
Supressing one's mana is dishonourable to mages because it's an underhanded tactic to get an edge over another mage, especially since mages in the series holds pride on their magical prowess (especially demons). Imagine a professional NBA player pretending to be a noob and playing to win in a highschool basketball tournament.
As I'm sure many others have said, Flamme's VA passed away in october. She voiced many great characters, but there's something equally sad, poetic and beautiful that her last job was voicing Flamme, with her last request for Frieren to plant flowers around her grave. that this is one of the last phrases she ever uttered on her job as a VA and that we got the chance to hear it barely a few weeks, when the episode aired, before her passing is simply amazing.
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And I just noticed something thanks to the flashbacks of Flamme and Frieren together thanks to you. And this is my tenth or eleventh time watching this anime through reactions or by my own. I'm dense AF.
Flamme's time was literally the Old Age, she lived either in what would be Rome or in some Roman province, part of the Roman Empire, maybe Galia or Germania. Towards the middle or late empire age. The present though? Everything loks less refined, more rustic, just like in the Middle Ages.
After all, there's a thousand years in-between both times.
A lot of people only consider the morality aspect and think "it's not unfair to deceive demons" which is correct, but there is a more important angle that you touch upon at the end: What Flamme's training in mana suppression and war magic has done to Frieren's psyche. When she started she openly loved magic, but her feelings dulled over the next 50 years. This is why Flamme talks about "making a mockery of magic".
The love of magic is still there, as shown when Frieren gets excited for the flower spell even after her apathetic response, but it's buried under a training focused on learning suppression and spells purely for the sake of war and victory. That's why Flamme essentially says "we must be the only ones" she's probably not very proud of having pushed that on Frieren. More than anything, it's unfair to themselves.
As an aside, if you thought "Frieren the Slayer" was her final form, you have now met "Frieren the gamer".
Exactly this. One of the recurring themes in the show is magic being a metaphor for peoples' hopes and passions. Frieren essentially had those stripped away from her and instead must live her life burying those feelings. The show I think is as much about her journey to remember the hero's party but also in some ways to reconnect with the joy for life that she hasn't really felt in over 1000 years.
This, someone made a great comparison.
" Its like an artist training everyday in secret, but to still sound like crap on purpose every day, just so he can show up some other prideful artist once every blue moon."
Thats just gotta take the joy out of your art😢.
Frieren not using her name to get her way around everything easily is simply because she does not want all that attention. The girl enjoys her peace, ALOT.
Her sleeping all the time? She's a total slob, like, seriously. Probably because there's no one to look after her after Flamme's death, and the fact that she's basically honing her mana control for over 1000 years nonstop. Fern's the only reason she's up more frequently, or she'd be sleeping half a day everyday xD.
I also love how Frieren constantly holds back when fighting demons this time compared to when she was still in the Hero's party, as stated in the previous ep where she'd used to be flashy with everything. You can tell how much Himmel's influence got to her. 1000 years after, and she still remembers getting scolded by him.
She carefully planned this moment against Aura, and my god, did she deliver.
A little bit that was mentioned in this episode is that suppressing her mana gets tiring for her. And she's been doing it for almost 1,000 years non-stop. She's allowed to be a sleepy slob, IMO.
slight correction, this moment in the timeline is about 28 years after Himmel’s death not 1000. She spent nearly a thousand years in isolation after Flamme’s death before joining Himmel’s party.
11:36 Frieren had an LTG moment😂😂
Ironic how Aura the Guillotine died by beheading herself lol
Interesting point - Frieren didn’t order her how to kill herself: for Aura it was the most natural way
fact: Aura's VA is Eren's real wife who died in the same way (losing her head)😂
now that, is a fun fact😆
only but he's 2:1.
11:35 “Frieren The Gamer”
If i was on Frieren place, i would tell Aura to do my laundry and cook my a food for the rest of her life. 🤣
The demon king ordered this because the elves has more mana potential than demons and you witnessed it just now by looking at frieren. Demons were insecure and jealous.
The subtext of this show is very good. Flamme says humans are bound by status, yet she is not. Flamme says demons are bound by power, yet they are not. Flamme is a hypocrite on such a level that she isn't even aware of it, and she has passed this on to Frieren. It's up to Fern to break the cycle.
Fern has 10 times more mana thab what Lugber saw. If we follow 1/10 rule Flamme taught Frieren
フェルンはマナを隠すのが誰よりもうまいので20倍くらいあるかもしれない
The meme edits that came from *that* line were pretty great at the time this released. 😂
My favorite internet meme is.
''Aura, you ride Evangelion''.
It’s a guilty pleasure, but the lowtier god dub. (The Kurosai one)
In terms of it being dishonourable, the series never seems to elaborate. I have an idea though. I think the magic users in this world regard this practice as being something like pretending to be a civilian or red cross to make someone lower their guard. If you can't trust that someone who appears to be weak or a non-combatant actually is, then you've got major incentive to wipe out every apparent weakling you encounter. If it was the normal practice it would be kind of terrible for everyone.
After rewatching this for the nth time (from other reactions), I just had an epiphany that Aura, and probably other demons that knows Frieren as Frieren the SLAYER, CANNOT put two in two together as to why this mage, who earned such an infamous name among the demon race, would massacre them with such that little mana (as they are perceiving it while Frieren actually controls and hides it). Like, yeah,, you as a demon is highly intelligent and specialized in magic but, besides empathy, lacks critical logic capabilities.
That, or the demons are really just that thick and arrogant and prideful that they do not do and care for it at all (since, you know, they think that they always can just win).
My assumption is the Demon King saw the elves as a potential threat, thus the extermination.
If you know your opponent and yourself you shall be victorious in all your battles.
If you know yourself but not your opponent you shall lose a battle for every battle you win.
If you know neither yourself nor your opponent you shall never be victorious.
Sun Tzu
Aura knew only herself. Frieren knew herself and Aura. Victorious half the time vs. always victorious.
3:16 Cart-titan Flamme
We can see how much Frieren HATES demons, so she makes a point of killing them in the most humiliating/ironic was possible, usually with their own techniques.
-With Qual she starts by basically telling him "You know that legendary killing magic you spent your entire existence developing? Well, thanks to me, humans now calling 'ordinary offensive magic' and this girl could cast it when she was six. Ya basic. Now I'm going to kill you with a supped up version I created especially to kill demons."
-With Draht she's super dismissive "oh no...what ever will I do..." "Really? that was enough to make you feel special? Wow, modern demons are hopeless"
Then she uses a cutting technique herself to cut off his hands and then specifically destroys his neck, like he tried to do.
-And of course with Aura turning her spell against her and forcing "the Guillotine" to behead herself.
For Frieren it's not enough to kill them she wants to BREAK them first.
I think her sleeping all day is just because she's an elf and lives so long...why would she need to wake up early? She has all the time in the world so why hurry out of bed in the morning? I imagine a lot of the elves were like that
I believe the strain from constant mana suppression is part of the reason that Frieren is so sleepy
Nope. She is just lazy elf. Our grandma.