Should You Buy the New Epiphone Les Paul Standard 50s? | 2020 Inspired By Gibson Review + Demo
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0:15 - New Epiphone 2020
0:33 - Original Collection LPs
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1:56 - 50s vs 60s Epiphone
2:24 - First Impressions
4:37 - Inside Look / Specs
12:48 - Tone Demo
16:33 - Final Thoughts
18:51 - Blacklight
19:19 - Box + Candy
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🐕 Episode Guide:
0:15 - New Epiphone 2020
0:33 - Original Collection LPs
1:00 - 50s Gibson vs 50s Epiphone
1:56 - 50s vs 60s Epiphone
2:24 - First Impressions
4:37 - Inside Look / Specs
12:48 - Tone Demo
16:33 - Final Thoughts
18:51 - Blacklight
19:19 - Box + Candy
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your show is still the best its a great format to sell guitars. sadly norms rare guitar is stale it gibson day everyday there. i wait up ever night to watch your show.
The Trogly's Guitar Show can you review the American made epiphone casino and compare it to the Chinese made one
Be nice to see Epip, come out with some custom's that would Blow Gibson out of the water .
It would be an honor to receive any guitar from Trogley!...
Trogley's Guitars your #1 Gibson and all things Les Paul reviewer....
In the world...
btw : there's an awesome guitar store mgr reviewer ...(not mark agnesi) from Germany ....he's awesome too! he also does Not favor Epi's. ...he's a shredder...
gotta rememer his channel....
I have to say all the routing cavity looks very impressive and the CTS pots is nice addition but still a Epiphone guitar at least you can switch out the pickups at ease
Bottom line.. If Jimmy Page played an Epiphone Les Paul instead of a Gibson, he would still sound like Jimmy Page.
Even Jimmy doesn't sound like Jimmy anymore
A lot of us don't sound like we used to!!!...lol
That has more to do with him (as well pretty much any musician with unique tone) not caring about keeping a guitar “vintage” and hot rodding hell out of them
Agreed! Gear worship is fun and all. But the player makes the soul of the music, and the tools are secondary.
even a harley benton
This review is wayy too Gibson (or at least customshop crafted guitars) biased, in my opinion. I'm no rich guy, but I did save some money to buy a Gibson Les Paul Standard. After seeing these new guitars from Epiphone, I'm damn well not going to buy an expensive Gibson next time around. These guitars are amazing in terms of looks (finally some cheaper models which actually tries to look like the old models from the 50´s and looks like it too, without costing f**@ing 2000 dollars).
And they actually sound really great. Not as sensitive or allround as the Gibson ones, but it all comes down to playing in the end. And who the hell cares about a noisy toggle switch? You're playing loud enough already, the instrument itself is supposed to be noisy ;). The binding you're nit-picking at, if you are planning on hanging it up on a wall, maybe you should care about millimeters. Otherwise, the new Epiphone range looks amazing, sounds great, and works JUST FINE.
I agree with you 1000%! This was the best $600 I ever spent on a guitar and it is hard to justify spending an additional $1800 for the US Gibson version. This review is so elitist. My Epiphone 1950’s LP is now my main guitar. I can get the Clapton Bluesbreakers tone and feel at a fraction of the cost of a Gibson.
Yeah I agree. The only thing that is still weird is Epiphone's QC. Squier, Yamaha, Gretch, etc, all have really good QC, all of their guitars have no setup issues that can't be fixed in less than 5 minutes at most, but Epiphone seems to have pretty big ones randomly that need actual professional level work to fix, and it's a lottery basically. One might come perfectly and another might come with a lot of issues.
@@elsienova4269 I totally agree on that you have to be lucky to get a perfect one when buying lower-budget guitars by some brands (including epiphone). But they are not alone in that problem. I’ve played a lot of mexican fenders and squiers, and some of thise guitars also have some major setbacks when it comes to QC. I even once played a 3000 dollar Gibson Les Paul Custom which had terrible fretboard work, which dissapointed me deeply. These overall incidents accross brands all point to a relativity in quality and craftmanship, along with one’s own subjectivity. I would personally still buy the cheaper ones, maybe send them to a local luthier, and they would be perfect for at least 5-10 years until the next time I send them back for inspection.
But it all comes down to one’s own preferences, I think. I’m not a rich guy (I’m biased too), therefore I do not see the point in having a 3000 dollar guitar that I would not dare to play the heck out of.
@@elsienova4269 Yes my Standard 60's I purchased to match my Gibson came with dead frets all through out the neck. I ended up sending it back for a replacement. Still needed a fret job....Little bit of a let down TBH.
Just buy a midrange Tokai. Damn near Gibson minus the expensive finishing. Leagues better than Epiphones, and its faithful to the Gibson shape and everything. No ugly shallow cutaway.
My experience with Epiphone has always been good; this model is no exception. Flawless finish and other than a few tweaks of the bridge, all was good from the get go. This is an excellent guitar for 600 bucks. Sustain for days, pups are super sweet ; unplugged this guitar has that "karang" that you can feel as well as hear; solid guitar, worth every penny. Gets a very strong recommendation from this old geezer guitar geek- player for 50+ years, guitar geeking, tech-ing and collecting for the past 30
Some time ago I met in person someone who was posting on a site extremely detailed info,specs,advices about the importance of each guitar part etc..Judging from his posts you would say he is a guitar guru.He was a big snob about anything MIC and Epiphones of course.When I met him he plugged his guitar in the amp and ...He was an awful player with his Gibson CS.Then I took my decision.Don't listen to any wise man outhere.Try as many guitars as possible,no matter the origin,pick up a guitar that you like visually with a comfortable neck for YOUR hand, an amp that you like it's tones ,shut the fuck up and play.The new Epiphones are awesome and many guitar heroes from the 60s,70s,80s would be blown away by such a quality/price ratio.
Yeah, but you do realize this is a $600 guitar compared to a $2,400 Gibson 50’s traditional? Lol it’s expected not to be the exact same as a Gibson, and people know that. The question is if it’s worth the price. I think so. But, of course your biased to a Gibson. Who isn’t?
Gibsons are mediocre at best. They were good guitars back in the day but every post '95 gibson I've ever played has left MUCH to be desired. The action is horribly high, they feedback horribl when introduced to any gain at a decent volume, and the tuning stability is absolutely god awful. And usually, you have to pay $2000 before you can even get a decent set of pickups. Gibson deals in nostalgia, not good products.
Maaan, thanks for being so honest. This is what makes your channel so special.
great closeup camera shots dude!
Trogoly - There are many things I enjoy about your reviews: they are open, honest and USUALLY unbiased. This review really left me disappointed. This was the first time that your opinion seemed very biased, and slanted. I do not think it's fair to compare a $600 Epiphone to a $1200 (or more) Gibson. I think that companies such as Epiphone and Squier should be allowed to stand on their own merits, they have certainly earned the right. I've never thought of Epiphone as a lesser Gibson. Your total disappointment in this guitar really came through in the video.
I definitely agree with the pro-Gibson bias here. He fails to talk about the pros of this guitar but remains talking about dislikes, nitpicking oddities, and frustrations as compared to Gibson. This review certainly confirms I wont watch him for reviews from here on
Don't forget about eppiphones 0 resale value you can't give those things away.. So if you like to buy sell trade and try different gear don't buy one of these you're gonna live with it
AGREED! Thanks for putting it so plainly, definitely different instruments, comparing apples and oranges.
Think what you want, but the fact is epiphone is a cheaper gibson, literally. Doesn't matter how you see it.
@@keithadams812 Your not real bright, or heavy on facts are you.
Thank you for doing a review on this. I wanted to see what this looked like and sounded like.
Thank you very much for this awesome detailed review!! You cover all that I wanted to know!!
I love these videos because they make me feel like I geeked out with a friend about my favorite guitar company
I’d love to get a Les Paul Special!!!! I love the P90s and TV Yellow. I’d love to see a review of one!!
Great Video. Really liking the new Epiphones!!
It's just a week since l bought my Epiphone 50s Les Paul Gold Top and I love this guitar... And l can say that after 20 years playing my 1991 Gibson Les Paul Standard... Two great guitars 👍👍👍😎😎😎
Awesome review of the Epi LP....The BEST I ever saw on TH-cam...I subscribed!!!
Truly amazing reviews!, many thanks from Spain!
I must have missed the ‘sponsored by Gibson’ bit
I took a chance and ordered this exact model from American Music Supply and received it yesterday.
It’s absolutely beautiful. I can’t find any flaws. Zero fret issues. Setup to my liking also, which again can be changed.
I am extremely happy.
You have problems with the zero fret? That’s a shame ;)
@@TealScarab . I think he nebt there are no fret issues.
I might get an epiphone les paul as my first electric, I'm really into the single cut look. I will just look around to see if there is anything better for the same price
@TealScarab yeah that zero fret is always a problem.
But yes, “No, None, zilch, nada,” issues with fret buzz.
@@TealScarab 🥁
Thx for detaling the 50s LP standard, I'm glad you gave the assessment of the pickup s. I heard them exactly as you had them sound and quality wise. I've been window shopping the 60s version by EPIPHONE. And could certainly use your understanding and insight on that model..
I am digging it! Thanks for your honest opinion. I have a few Gibson's and Epi's... Thank you!
In the early 2000s when I was a teen, me and my friends lusted after Gibsons but it just wasnt possible for us. We all rocked epiphone LPs and they did the job just fine. When I got my Gibson LP as an adult it made me feel like a kid again. It's an absolute howler of a guitar. Epiphones fill that void and owning a Gibson wont make you a better player but damn if it's not a better guitar.
Same here. I correctly put the majority of my money into a good amp/pedal setup as that was more important for tone and just rocked an Epi SG when I played in bands as a teen. An Epi SG through my mesa rectifier was 1000x better tone than running a gibson custom LP through a line6 spider... Then I got older and made money and now rock a real gibson LP through the same mesa stack that is still kicking... it really is the magic. I would say about 15% better tone going from Epi to Gibson.... but that 15% is real magic and worth every penny.
Oh yeah. I think a lot of people buying the $600-800 Epiphones would be well served to try the $1,100 Gibson Les Paul Tribute. So much guitar for the money!
I just like the design of the LP. I greatly prefer 24.75" over 25.5" because it's got a low tension feel and less fret buzz at a given action. But today's Epis with ebony and rosewood and with pickups that don't demand replacing are excellent choices.
If it had some sweet p-90's i'd be down.
get the inspired by 55 LP custom. best epi LP if you want one with P90s, comes with Gibson ones
Flood There is a P-90 Les Paul Special in Epiphone's lineup, but it doesn't have the same beautiful finish as this one..
well a good soldering is always an option
@Sunflower Seeds I would defo get a harley Benton, but I hate the look of the bit that's not cut out. Especially on the back, it looks wrong imo, but either way it's a nice ass guitar
Almost caught some stranglehold vines when the distortion first kicked in. Great demo as usual going through everything, pointing out the good and the bad.
Damn Austin, you're really close to your silver play button! Good on you brother keep it up.
I'd really like to see what Troglys opinion of a Squier Classic Vibe guitar!
OMG HA ha ....trog with a C Vibe Strat! ...... he'll faint.....
@@celestelongway7315 I highly doubt that haha, just as someone that knows guitars and has played many expensive fenders I'd just like to hear what he thinks of the current line up of the CV range. No need for brand snobbery
locky828 I have a 50’s classic vibe tele. Awesome guitar.
@@TheQakman I had a Squier 60s Strat CV and I miss it to this day. Killer guitar. Buying a J Mascis Jazzmaster soon which sounded insane!
locky828 those J Mascis models are very underrated.
Austin, couldn't help but notice the new b-roll shots, panning, shadow fade in, and editing. Your videos are constantly improving, and have come a long way since the early guitar-on-carpet-floor days. Looks like your recent investments in video gear is making a noticable difference. Keep up the great work. Thanks for your teaching and entertainment. I look forward to my daily dose of guitar information.
Nice video quality ! Great focus , panning , colours etc. Really nice. :)
The headstock change is nice. Always try before you buy !
Ahh what a video. Sure gets me pumped up for a late 80s early 90s les Paul custom plus review.
I love the Epiphone standard pro I just bought! It's amazing.
I really want to see the epiphone sg custom. They look awesome. Would love to see you review one and see if their worth the extra scratch.
Bro you are so close to 100k subs!! Contrags trogly and thanks for the awesome vids
Cool, I really liked the alien green finish. I thought it sounded decent but like you said, there are a lot of other choices a guy can make in that price range too. Great info. Thanks.
A lot of sustain and vintage sound the Epiphone 50's! 🤩
I got the Epiphone 60’s Les Paul Standard... loving it.
Way to go
Which color did you get? The black looks really nice.
I notice no recent comments so hope you're still there because I like your review style, kinda reminds me of Colin on 'Guitaristas.' Re: Epi Les Pauls, & other models too really... generally they compete head-up in their price class and as mass-produced factory items you stand a fair chance of getting one below or above standard but likely will get a very good guitar that may need a little tweak but so does your new car. Same with Gibson, etc. I have a '21 Epi LP Studio thats kicks the ass of my 'real' Custom, total range of tones, easy to play. Love it. I saw/heard you liking yours. Get over the poly varnish and realize the advantages. Everybody- get yourself an Epiphone.
I'm 100% ordering in the blue SG/g400 special when the time comes. That thing looks amazing and I've been wanting an SG with p90s for a while
I prefer poly because well I spray it on guitars lol. That high gloss just appeals to me and they have better UV protection so the finish should remain unchanged longer. It’s not like I hate worn or yellowing colors but I personally prefer it to stay truer.
You know what I would really like to see on this channel? A guitar ranking list. I hear what you're saying about this Epiphone, but I still have no idea how good it is compared to, say, a Gibson LPJ which runs a lot cheaper nowadays. Or even an older Les Paul Studio. Is it worth the price jump? What about a The Paul? Is a The Paul better than an early Studio? As a potential buyer, a video where you list out the differences and rank them by which one you think is better is a lot more valuable than knowing what kind of wires the pickups use. Though these videos are great, too
I own both an Epiphone Standard and a Gibson Les Paul Studio. I got the studio for about $650 used, and the Epiphone for $400. Right out of the gate, the Gibson played much better, and you can really feel the difference in quality between the two. I definitely had to do more upgrade work to the Epi. I definitely would keep the Studio if I had to choose.
One of the biggest differences are spending the money to buy a Gibson as you can get 60 to 70% of your money back when you buy a brand new guitar more when you buy used... The differences are not as great to a new player but an experienced player can feel the difference in a Gibson.. Or should I say one that is made right
Super close to the big 100k Austin! Best of luck in getting there soon!
Good choice of playing examples. The neck pickup is nice and mellow yet clear in the cleanest settings. The others are quite good and professional sounding.
A little tweak of the truss rod or at worst a cheap level and dress. I'd do it myself at that price.
Doesn’t seem fair to compare a 600$ guitar to one that’s costs 3-4 as much. Still rather have an sg
Those cleans actually sound pretty great!
Btw...WHEN ARE YOU GONNA REVIEW AN EPIPHONE JUNIOR??
Spend the 100 bucks. What are you hoping for? It's one of the cheapest guitars you can buy, but it's still decent starter guitar. End of story.
@@Les537 the new version isn't. I have the old one from the 90's but the new ones are mahogany with a set neck. And they go for about $450 in Canada where I am
AFTER HE REVIEWS CHEPIPHONES AND CHIBSONS.
A good honest review. Most of the bad points raised in this review could be applied to an Epiphone 60s Tribute Plus that I bought a few years ago. Like this Standard my guitar had paint overlapping the binding and uncomfortable sides to the neck profile . It also needed work on the frets in order to play nicely. It seems to me that the main selling feature of the new Epiphones is the revised headstock shape, otherwise most everything else remains just about the same. With new Epiphone prices being what they are I’d look around for a nice used Gibson Studio model rather than anew Epiphone.
I literally got my first Epi yesterday, the explorer, in black.
Like everybody else says, i have owned almost every guitar under the sun, from budget, to ridiculous, but this guitar has absolutely blown my mind.
I am a metal guy, so most of my guitars are of the high end of ESP, Jackson, type, but i have always have had a Les Paul of some iteration and it was just the Epiphone name that scared me off. Nobody wants a knock-off of something great, and thats how I saw Epiphone.
But i am now a fan.
Its my first Epi, so mabey i got lucky, but 20 minutes of set up, and this thing is phenomenal.
Of course, the shitty pups are getting thrown out for some EMGs, or Fishmans, and i am going to make it "mine" by changing out all of the hardware with smoked, black chrome pieces, but for $600 buyers remorse is not imaginable.
I am still WAY on the fence about getting an Epi Les Paul.
It still feels like i would be cheating on a hot girlfriend, with a skanky slut.
Idk why his channel makes me happy
Edit: OOF The number of replies
its all good vibes
He leaves his ego at the door
Women have the Kardashian’s -guitar guys have something that’s actually real-we have Trogly’s!!!
passion is a nice thing to see
A new guitar is always a reason to be happy
That neck pickup sounds really good on the clean sound. It's got a lot of beef even though it's clean.
I'm more a fan of the red, orange to yellow sunburst finish, but this axe has sweet tones for certain. The price is icing on the cake. Not bad at all. It seemed to stay in tune real good too. This will definitely hold a player for a good long time.
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Please do a classic vibe
.Great and thorough review
.Best I have seen.
I want a huge band like Metallica, Aerosmith etc to secretly record an album using epiphone guitars. I am pretty sure no one would know.
Tommy Thayer of KISS uses an Epiphone Les Paul.
wheezer has used epiphone guitars for a long time
I appreciate your review but would love to see a blindfold comparison with a Gibson, as other players couldn’t tell the difference, unless they could see the logo, maybe you could easily tell the difference, but I am not so sure
Great description of the neck profile on these. I played one last week and the best I could describe is that it felt "boxy" or "square".
Thank you very much for this review. I have been waiting. I'm actually thinking of going with the limited edition HM strat at this point so if you get your hands on that before I buy one. Lol. Thanks allot though
I have an Epi Les Paul Standard '59. One of the things I like about it over a Gibson Les Paul is the string breakover angle on the headstock, which is a shallower angle. A little less pressure on the nut, easier to tune.
those 59 Standard's are essentially Gibsons. To get the same spec sheet on a Gibson, you have to go to the Custom Shop stuff.
The high angle is responsible for tuning issues in Les Pauls (graphite lube and wider nut slot in the back solves that) so I prefer that on Epiphones they tend to stay in tune nicely even unlubed. A pencil works too just put some in the slot below the string
I have bought five of these hings since NAMM 2020. Les Paul Standard 60s in ice tea and bourbon burst, Les Paul Classic in Heritage Cherry Sunburst, Les Paul classic Worn goldtop and a Les Paul Studio in Smokehouse Burst. I love all of them. They really improved the neck, and while the fit and finish may not be perfectly flawless, you get Grover Tuners, a high quality nut, great wiring, pots, pickups and switches. And I think the new finishes look great. A huge improvement from 2019s offerings. The head stock looks better, but I didn't really mind the old head stock. I don't think there are better guitars out there for the money. Around $600 fro a set neck with great looks and great pickups? I think they are very competitive with the PRS SE models and they cost significantly less. Get a good set up and all variants are amazing guitars.
Agree you can read what I said
Yeah? I've been hearing great things but this video was a bit disappointing, seems likenmy 2005ish era Epiphones, great guitars but far from flawless. Had I not bought an absolutely flawless Harley Benton SC550+ I would be less critical but that obe has fretwork like my Gibson and MIJ Ibanez for 400 bucks along with brand name pickups and finish is perfect with one tiny scratch but I got 30€ off B stock price for that.
So at almost 700€ I would like an Epiphone to be of that same quality, just no nitro finish, not made in US and high quality but not necessarily brand name hardware (which seems to be the case). Both my Les Pauls, the HB and the LTD are modern 60s style so I would love an Epiphone for that classic 59 Les Paul feel and look and sound but if the finish is that shoddy (for the price)... I was hoping since he mentioned it's an early run that things improved? Yours are more nicely made? I don't mind a few imperfections but at least the top, binding and frets should be flawless at that price, an Ibanez for 700€ does NOT have issues like that. I get that HBs have the housebrand and mass production and none famous brand discount but that's why I'm comparing a 700€ guitar to a 370€ one. If it can't match that it would be disappointing. I have Epiphones like that but they cost a lot less back then. 700€ used to by a Gibson Les Paul Studio, maybe display model or lightly used. And those did not have fret that looked like these in the close up. Fret work is the only luthier skill I learnt with a master and it is not hard at all. It's just a matter of a little extra time and care at the end which "Handcrafted in China" definetly allows for. I know Chinese luthiers, I studied fretwork with one. They are no less capable of low action buzz free frets. So this feels rushed and lacking in QC. These days I buy online but maybe Epiphones still need the prepurchase in person inspection. I thought that had been relegated to guitars below 300 bucks and even those can come with real nice necks these days. Jackson makes great necks at 300€. Feels like a 1500€ Ibanez.
Most honest review and complete.
The 59 re issue they have out now is great. Gibson USA burstbuckers vintage wiring, Mallory capacitors, switch craft switches satin Finnish triple A flame cap, hard case can’t go wrong.
Tbh even most guitars from Gibson don’t come from factory with a good setup. If they do it’s because it usually got a setup at the shop you bought it from
Hamer guitars left the factory fully set up. Amazing axes
Gibson aren't great there just made of better select woods and it's the pickups that make the difference.
After your help with this guitars siblings, you know that i wasn't going to miss this vid!
Absolutely agree with the Gibson originals feeling special, I got that exact same feeling when I first picked it up....in fact so much so I walked out of the shop with it...
Hope that you could do reviews on the Epiphone Les Paul Modern, and this is a good review as always
It seems like it’s difficult to make a set neck, flame top, bound LP at this price point. I’d love to see your review of the Epi Les Paul Special
scott3402 Agile does it for less $$, better QC and better hardware / electronics.
I have had my epiphone les paul since the 90 s and love it.I also have a gibson les paul.fender strat and tele.I am not as pickey as you .I like all guitars.
Oh man beautiful video, thanks good job.
Thank you, Austin. Cheers! 💙
I have heard nothing but problems with frets, it sounds good thats for sure, i like the way those probuckers sound, definitely lower output sounding. Sounds like alnico 2
I watched your unboxing on this guitar. like I told you mine is perfect for a Epiphone. I got rid of the string in the first hour I owned it the shitty strings actually left tarnish stripes on my fingers. I put ghs .009 to .042s on it polished the back of the neck with Gibson guitar polish that ive used since the 80s and the guitar plays and sounds great and looks even better. for 1 forth the price of a Gibson at 2500.00 you can buy 4 of these and do what ever you want and still have money. these will kill Gibson sales so buy them while you can Gibson will kill these to save Gibson. that's my opinion and ill stand buy it. im a les paul player since 1976
but it sounded awful ? and gibson sound ok in general ..its the same with all epi LP'S ,,not so much the semi hollows ..epi are amazing semi's ..if your looking for a cheap version of a LP that outplays a gibbo on all levels almost ... buy a vintage ..epi have not got LP's down right at all and never has imo..The best epi was the 60's tribute plus that was closer...rest its nah for me ..offensive to my ears :)
Regarding the veneer, easy way to tell is you can see where the flame top is split in the middle at 6:16 if you pause. You can then see the join in the maple top just above your wiring headed to the pickup. If it were a real flame top, it would join in the middle where the flame veneer is split. Still a fantastic looking guitar
I'm enjoying the content of the channel. I'm curious as to if you have done any reviews/unboxing of Airline (Eastwood) guitars?
They could use the labour time applying those hideous veneers to the backs to instead improve the fretwork and hand finishing.
kabukiman69 exactly. The backs don’t need any veneer at all. It’s just...S I L L Y.
Chicen exactly! Those SGs look absolutely awful with the veneers on the front and back.
Totally agree. You hardly see the join lines between the 2 or 3 pieces of backs. The veneer just screams cheap.
Man I like epiphones I have a couple that I had fixed up (Basically had them refitted and finished) and it was worth it. I pretty much expect it with epiphone I literally just consider it apart of the purchase, after you have it done by a real luthier mind you it's a Great guitar compared against other guitars and gibsons. If you bought this guitar for example and spent another $150 to $200 on a fret leveling and the set up that goes along with it you'll have a great les paul. So call it $800 buck's for a les Paul. I have one id put up against any Gibson but it came with burstbucker pickups.
Brother Trogly, you are a marketing department's worst nightmare and that's what I love about your videos. Just the facts, I would think if you weren't doing this you would be an engineer either software or NASA. Thanks for another great episode.
I commented a couple weeks back about my sg 61, my neck which I thought was perfect...frets a little scrachy, other wise great. Light sanding block and a polish seems to have fixed it. Solid rock guitar even before this. My pick ups sound fantastic, bright and medium output. If you want it hot on the bridge, you're gonna have to crank the gain.
having owned both an Epi and now having Gibsons, the fit and finish on the Gibson is noticeable. Gibsons can be found cheap if you look, skip on the Epis and save a little more for the Gibson
I agree. Instead of having 10 guitars invest in one or two good ones. You can only play one at a time anyway.
Nope, still buying dat Epi Worn SG with the P90s because even used prices on the Gibson equivalent are too pricey. Plus I can mod it anyway I see fit to make it better for me and not feel bad about decreasing value and still come under the price of the stock used guitar. :P
I’d rather pay 3,000 to have my lutheir build me a Les Paul, then buy Gibson’s over priced crap. Even epiphones elitist series are just as good as Gibson’s; they’re hand made in Japan and better yet...
a fraction of the price (used market wise.)
I own an epi standard and may think different. As far as price u cant beat it also considering i always change the pick ups ( something fron Seymour Duncan) on most guitars i buy right after purchase. I would buy a used Gibson tho but not a les Paul. Definitely want a gibson es 335 or a flying v.
Save a little? A quality Epi in Canada sells for $1000. The Gibson counter parts sell for a minimum $4000. Up towards $8000. Ill stick with Epis and have a luthier do some work or have a custom made for $2000 with my custom specs. Gibson is a joke and a huge rip off!
I'm saving for a Green Fender Lead II !
Tanner Green those look great, haven’t played one yet but I hear good things about them.
Remley my friends dad gave him one in junior high school about 12 years ago.. was a 1980 in a wine colour. He decided he wanted a blue guitar and sanded it and spray painted it blue. Turned out awful lol.
Tanner Green I like the purple one
I ordered a white Lead 3. Should arrive later this week.
I bought a sienna sunburnt leadIII.... nice set up right outta the box! Very nice!
This is why I pay $65-$85 to have my guitars setup because I do buy the lesser expensive guitars. My $150 Epi LP set up is really awesome (this was setup by a small music store, so $150 setup). Before I got it I tried ESP, Ibanez, Gretsch, and a couple of others. Not a single one out of the box was good enough or better than the $150 LP. If you get a guitar out of the box that is setup the way you like it, you got lucky. So far the best inexpensive guitars out of the box I have tried have been Michael Kelly and Breedlove. A lot of the $300+ Squires were also pretty good. I have tried the online inexpensives (Firefly, HB, and one other that escapes me) and they weren't good at all. After a setup they played better but the electronics weren't good, then again, my $150 Epi LP has crap electronics too. Seems all inexpensive humbuckers either sound like fingers down a chalkboard or throwing your stereo system in the pool to listen to it.
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Standard PlusTop Pro and it'san awesome guitar. Sure it's not a Gibson but it is a Les Paul and it plays very well. I'm a fan of Epiphones and if I could afford a Gibson Les Paul Standard, I'd love to own one, but I think Epiphone Les Pauls are a great value and the one good thing about them is that on the used market one can be had a very reasonable price.
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Special II-LE (complicated name i know) and i'm perfectly content with it, despite it being a starter guitar.
23 Heathrow glad you got a good Epiphone Special.
I found a Special original that was very comparable to my 97 Gibby Double-cut in playability. It had a more hefty neck than other specials I have seen, but the action is buttery, the tuners hold all day and the frets are ok. It’s waiting for some better pups.
People who bark about Epi Specials haven’t come across one of the gems. Keep looking.
I have a epiphone les paul vintage edition, that I got super cheap that plays and sustains better than my gibson standard. Which is quite sad. All I did was put new pickups in it and it even sounds better wtf?
@@Silkaz7 All that and a bolt-on neck! I mean, I could shim it if it wasnt perfect. I could have neck adjusted on my DC ... for a large fee. I want one with P90s now. Both Rock AND Roll!
I'd expect the Slash standard to be superior, at least, you'd darn well hope so given the price point difference between the Epi LP and the Gibson Slash std! Easy to nitpick quality differences when there's a couple of grand difference. :-p
Thanks for showing stuff as it is, I don't agree with it being a good deal with all those finish flaws and set up issues though. But you pointed them out which is more than they do at Andertons or any of the other propaganda/shopping channels so kudos to you man. Btw, my Harley Benton SG knockoff has similar finish flaws but none of the other problems most of your Epi's had, it even has the tuners on straight! It was also sold as a "B" stock item, so there's that...
Trogley! ---any LP Specials coming ? thanks, Trog! yeah! we love your channel! really liked the recent 2020 Epi reviews!....we cant really afford the Gibsons....but got lucky with a few low priced bottom barrel late model Epi's. ---yeah they need setups or something ....a neck tweak (Blue SG Special), maybe pickup swap , may short out (the blue SG), or a loose toggle switch or little this or that ......but make so far overall Epi's Specials have been fun , great project guitars and fun guitar experiments without scratching the pricey awesome Gibsons.
Austin, about the fretboard. I think that might be Pau Ferro. Epiphone used those on past and they might have some old stock to use. So they could be using both of Indian Laurel and Pau ferro so they don't advertise because you know false advertisement can result and customers suing them.
I have never seen such a dark and uniform piece of pau ferro in my life. Looks much more like laurel or rosewood. (Some brands are back using it).
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The price makes it a Great deal, but I would buy the higher up 59 model outfit for $200.00 more. As I want the USA Gibson humbuckers, because I like their tone, sound, etc.. Also, other features are in the upgraded model that make it worth the more $.
And even then,..You could buy at least 3 of them for the cost of a Gibson Les Paul Standard..
I've been playing guitar for 37 years and own a beloved 1997 Gibson Les Paul Standard tobacco burst.
In 2018, I bought a 2018 Epiphone LP Standard plus top pro in the Mojave fade with subtle flamed maple.
Adjusted the neck relief, fixed a couple of high frets, installed a graph tech nut and a tonepros bridge at a total cost of $65.00
So, that brought that guitar's cost to basically $700.00
Anyway, after setup and the nut and bridge,...At that point, it was the best guitar I had ever owned or played....Today, I have 4 Epihone Les Pauls,..The 2018, a 2019 and two 2020 models. All recieved the same nut and bridge upgrades and I of course, handle any high frets..
They are all FANTASTIC GUITARS, regardless of the great value in pricing.
@@stricknine8623 I Hear you, and I think Epiphone Les Paul's are great guitars also. I have one, and I dig it a lot. I prefer Fender Stratocasters overall.
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I would like Strats if it weren't for the location of the volume pot.
I can't begin to explain how bad that it is IN MY WAY. Something about the pick hand style I use.
I think Strats have an important sound that Les Pauls can't do and I think that Les Pauls have and important sound and feel that a Strat just can't do.
But I have thought seriously about finding a good Strat and relocating the volume pot and have a custom pick guard made to accommodate the new location while of course covering up the hole left behind from the old volume pot location.
It doesn't bother most people at all and in fact many would tell you that its conveniently located.
But there are also many guitarists that share the same issues I have with it.
@@stricknine8623 I agree about how Les Paul's and Strats have Great sounds. I dig them Both for different sounds, styles, songs, etc. I also understand how things can bother you. The volume pot is great for me on a strat. I don't care for the placement of the 3 way toggle on a Les Paul. It gets in my way sometimes. So, it is not great for me, but Ilive with it. My real problem is with a Floyd Rose trem system, because I hit my knuckles on them while I strum sometimes. Ouch!
I love the new B-roll style. That camera track was definitely worth it
I've been highly interested in the 2020 standard 50s les paul by epiphone for a while now and trogly is the only youtuber who gives 100% honest review
Man those are both beautiful guitars wow.
About fret levelling.
I wouldn't sweat too much over it.
To be honest top notch but small production luthiers swear that they ship guitars with perfect low action etc and they arrive to the owner with a high fret or two.
We are talking about metal pieces glued in wood...So. It can pop up etc.
After years of playing guitar you can actually,
a) have the shop do a setup and "small" fret levelling issues to be addressed before buying the guitar.
b) Pay someone else later or do this yourself, most know, some even fret level guitars themselves after years of practising.
c) Play the fuck out of it. It starts to level itslef lol, not kidding on this one I've noticed it to a lot of guitars. The more you play them the better for the fretwork. As if you do the levelling slowly every day. Not as drastic as a good fret level but still...
So try before you buy. IF you find fret problems even in very expensive guitars don't blame the construction from the get go.
Some builders will even pay for their NEW guitar to be levelled in a local luthier if they ship it very far away and it arrives slightly problematic, they do know in advance that the differences in the weather humidity etc can bring problems.
Love the guitar backdrop whilst you play
Have you ever done a review of an Epiphone Les Paul Traditional PRO-III Plus Limited Edition Electric Guitar? Made in the USA Gibson '57 Zebra Pickups. If not, here is one vote for a review of it.
My experience with these new epiphones is that they are slagged off online by gibson users but as someone who hasn't even played a gibson these are good. I was amazed by my SG standard in white
It's high time you start reviewing Chibsons.
Hey Trogly! Love your Show! If you Pause at 1:03 Minutes, the epiphone seems to have an overall smaller body. Is that due to perspective or is there actually a difference other than what you pointed out in the body shape?
my first electric guitar about 3 or 4 years ago was an epiphone les paul and I still love everything about it even the wierd little mistakes you see with the binding
Bought one and enjoy it greatly
Epiphone's been sketchy as hell about fingerboards since the Rosewod ban took effect. I bought a 339 from them last year, which Guitar Center listed as having a rosewood fretboard, but Epiphone's site didn't list it at all. Turned out to be Pau Ferro.
This is definitely not pau ferro. Looks better than many 2019 Gibson fretboards I've seen though.
Yes but
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Il Neige So is that not Guitar centres fault If Epiphone never listed it as Rosewood?
"tonewood" is a joke
@@escapeape5573 tonewood aside though, darker fretboard just look better in most cases.
I tried a new Epiphone Deluxe Pro ($899.00) at GC and I don't know if they just didn't set it up set or what, but I knew after 5 seconds it played like crap. Strings were way high off fret board and two frets were suspect on being a bit high. Now I'm all for less expensive models of LP's and Strat's and I know that Epiphone makes some great instruments, but I was really discouraged with the high dollar example I played.
Love you video's and appreciate all your effort.
Love your channel!
Please tell me I'm not the only one who kinda liked the old headstock
No you are not the only one
I liked it, but I prefer the new one by far
Gotta say it really doesn’t matter it’s just the corners that are cut lol
I did
Mine has it
You can't really give it a bad review. I mean your comparing a $700 guitar to a 3200.00 guitar. I've seen this guitar played and the exact one made by Gibson. Their was a bit of a difference but not a great deal like I thought their would be especially for the price. Gibson's sounded a bit better on the pickups but it should for the price point but Epiphone sounded really good too. But spending the 3X more on a Gibson for a tiny bit of sound difference, I'm not so sure if it's really worth it, especially if you're not a famous guitar player.
I think it was 2017 or 18. I tried both Gibson and Epiphone Std. Gibson $3200 Cdn. Epiphone,$675Cdn. Epiphone sounded and played better than the Gibson. Why? Weight releived imo sounds like SHIT. If you're gonna play a Lp,play a solid body unless, there's a decent sound from weight releif.
If you’re famous you get a free one.
Just bought the 60's epi (after trying the 50's for a day, seriously big neck), I haven't found any issues. It plays almost as well as the Gibson LP Classic I had. Basically, it feels like a cheaper version of a Les Paul, but for 600 vs 2500 it's good enough for me.
So Trogly, I like your reviews as they are unbiased, maybe a contest between the Epi LP and a Wolf LP? They are both in the same price range, so is one a better buy than the other?