Putin’s ISIS problem
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- As President Putin repeats his assertion that Ukraine and the West are behind the terrorist attack last week that killed 137 Russians, the evidence is only growing that this was the work of ISIS. The culprits come from a faction that have risen out of the ashes of the former ISIS Caliphate: ISIS-K. So who are they? And how worried should the rest of the world be?
Guest: Mark Galeotti, historian, journalist and author of ‘We Need to Talk About Putin,’ ‘Putin’s Wars’ and ‘A Short History of Russia.’
Host: Manveen Rana.
Clips: Telegraph, PBS Newshour.
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In terms of loss of life this one incident is 2000 times less than what Putin has done in Ukraine. Putin has been causing this many deaths 3 times per day for the past 2 years. In economic terms this incident is significant but virtually nothing compared to his war.
Well said.
Hès responsible for every death in the Ukraine war on both sides. Ukrainian AND Russian. There have been about 700,000 deaths total so far. Many of them are women - children - babies -and elderly. It is still going on right now as i type this reply! As far as body count Putin is the KING of all terrorists on earth right now.
Blaming Ukraine... what an absolutely pathetic despot
As a former KGB officer, it must be frustrating for Putin to see the US more informed about terrorist threats within Russia than Russia itself. Additionally, the delayed response of the security police only adds to the issue. His intense focus on Ukraine does little to hide his ineffectiveness in these matters. Russia blamed Ukraine within 20 minutes, despite lacking evidence and despite ISIS live-streaming the attack. Meanwhile, it took Russian authorities 90 minutes to reach the concert hall, even though it was within walking distance.
The russian fsb knew about it. They let it happen. After pearl harbor and 9/11, the population got behind the war effort. Putin wants his sheep to Blame ukraine, inorder to gain further support for the war.
Eventually ruzzia knew it. putin set the massacre.
Those guys were not ISIS they were mercenaries jihadis don't run that is the meaning of the word because ISIS was created to hide the true intention of the culprit Russia is going to do the same thing there are people who are willing to do this kind of act for money.
How does the US know exactly who did it minutes after the incident? It's because they ordered it throught their CIA
Seems your wrong, the just found a Bitcoin trail to Ukraine....
If you look carefully in the auditorium you will see 5/6 men all in blue with black wrist watches on. They don’t seem very bothered about what’s going on around them.
Now that speaks volumes.
@@Rajasthani710 Those are real recordings. Interestingly one of them looks uncanningly similar to an FSB agent recorded arresting one of the suspects later.
@@Rajasthani710 Perhaps you should view the video and judge for yourself.
@@Rajasthani710 yep that’s me sad 😂😂😂😂 but I’m not a tw@.
@@Rajasthani710 Comrade vatnik, shouldn't you be praising your owner Putin?
I dont know about the FSB guys but the video of the K-9 cop unit in the lobby as people flee, the K-9 cop vehicle in the parking lot as the gunmen leave, and the presence of a sub police station in the next building.certainly raises some questions.
Wonder if Putin will threaten the Muslim world with nukes.
Naw he scared little man.
@@david4096Your people are a non-entity on the planet excluding the occasional terrorist attack.
ISes is a uk USA funded group
@@david4096 I believe so too. When the covid19 came, he was terrifyied.
He doesn't care nothing but his dynasty and own healthy.
No matter how much people he kills - as long as his wealthy and ruling the whole world excists - there is nothing that can brake up his monarchy untill..,
On the top of his power - prevails much nore stronger force than his..
It IS coming..
Theres no hope until his own people realise hes their enemy too. He killed far more young russians by sending them off to build an empire for him than any terrorist could
Did the British think that when all their invaders were being killed in many countries they invaded?
@@jamesgreen1116 More brainless whataboutism, what a surprise.
@@foilhat1138 it's the truth though. Go and ask the families of the British invaders that were killed in many countries or the many hundreds of thousands who sit today as amputated people.
@@jamesgreen1116 Its true that its brainless whataboutism. this is what every Russian 'argument' boils down to. Some other country (probably the US or UK) did something wrong therefore Russia's crimes are somehow justified. Its moronic.
@@jamesgreen1116 Here's what every Russian argument boils down to. Some other country (probably the US or UK) did something bad in the past. Therefore Russia's current crimes are somehow justified. Its idiotic and disingenuous.
Why do the Ruzzians put up with this guy? It's baffling.
nothing baffling about why the Russian people "put up with" Putin. he has over 80% approval rating because the Russian people dont suffer nonsense propaganda or vote based upon their emotions as we in Britain do.
Z!
@@dannythomson5239Do we love our Master?
@@rouz0We mean your Master whom you must love.
@@dannythomson5239 87% of all votes cast ? Pull the other one, it has bells on it. Sorry Ivan, your post is not credible at all.
@dannythomson5239 we in Britain?? You can't be seriously comparing putin who owns all the media who support him and bans everyone else .. jails or kills all opposition , leads Russia into an unwinnable war to the freedoms you enjoy in the west 😂 assuming your British and not an Ivan bot 😂
Kremlin vs. Isis, Barbarian vs. Barbarian.
At least Russia somewhat lives in our reality of logic and reasoning though, ISIS are just completely unreasonable and off their box in their beliefs
Terrorist vs Terrorist
Why would Putin WANT to stop a terrorist attack against his own people when he could leverage it to his advantage. Incompetence isn't frowned upon in the Putin cult of personality it's encouraged because it gives Putin a chance to deflect criticism and reassure his critics that there are worse choices than Putin. It wasn't Putin who made the bad decision it was .
Loser vs Loser
Ha ha ha
Putin went AWOL for 18 hours after the attack...not unlike when the Russian submarine sank - was that 1999?
He ignored legitimate warnings from the Americans. Not surprised
given the war front against Russia posed by the west, the burden of proof is on the west to prove their innocence... american intelligence is acting irresponsibly by INSISTING that islamic state worked alone, when there are various foreign militia forces fighting for Ukraine and a fog of war... america has a LONG history of machinations... capitalism allows for for-profit warring that blurs intentions.... america should be using this terrorist attack as an opportunity at de-escalation and peace talks, as a means of offering consolation and support in the wake of a disaster that is in the middle of a war that involves the west... the attack, regardless of the masterminds, created destabilization to Russia and helped the west in their war effort... this means that america is on shaky ground and should be bending over backwards to help Russia instead of ramping up arms deliveries...
they are censoring comments here so let me try again... given the war front against Russia posed by the west, the burden of proof is on the west to prove their innocence... american intelligence is acting irresponsibly by INSISTING that islamic state worked alone, when there are various foreign militia forces fighting for Ukraine and a fog of war... america has a LONG history of machinations... capitalism allows for for-profit warring that blurs intentions.... america should be using this terrorist attack as an opportunity at de-escalation and peace talks, as a means of offering consolation and support in the wake of a disaster that is in the middle of a war that involves the west... the attack, regardless of the masterminds, created destabilization to Russia and helped the west in their war effort... this means that america is on shaky ground and should be bending over backwards to help Russia instead of ramping up arms deliveries...
@@AA-eq5wk " the burden of proof is on the west to prove their innocence."
Did your mom drop you on your head while squeezing you out of her box?
I would guess most Americans would not want to see Russians hurt if they stayed behind their own border. Russia getting Hamased is not a pleasant idea. Russia should defend itself instead of offending.
@@johnjdumasglobal military capitalism knows no borders
Terrorist(Russia) vs Terrorist(Isis)
@@Domkratos?? Russia is terrorizing Ukrainians civilians (killing them too) just like terrorist Isis or whoever terrorist do……
Russian people are not terrorists.. it's a one man war
@@altimax9091If they only would get rid of him then...
Why many CIA bots copy pasting the same text over and over? Because they are bots.
@@Amradar123Ii'm booked for Russia next month on a very serious diplomatic mission in order to bring The British Empire into play (on Russia's side).
You'll be like, "Who's that dude with the white eyes always standing next to Putin"?
My question for you is this, "Will you be able to walk the streets with everybody knowing that you are on the wrong side and positively treacherous"?
18 hours to think up "How to link this to Ukraine?" Pathetic.
And the result of this thinking is "they were on a way to Ukraine", "who benefits?" and "it's obvious". 🤡
The delay might have been in deciding if the russian population would POSSIBLY accept this theory. Like, even that thing in the Kremlin might have been unsure if people would be gullible enough to buy this line of reasoning.
"Four dudes from Tajikistan, armed with rifles made in russia, acting on behalf of an Islamist terror organization based in Afghanistan did something horrible, then headed for Belarus.
Naturally - Ukraine did this."
Lukashenko has admitted they first tried to enter Belarus, but there was a roadblock so they turned towards ukraine.
They clearly don't share their intel and plan with you😂 Attack was 20 minutes. the rest was surveillance and chase
@@rouz0Explain why police took 90 minutes to arrive please.
Oh the Russian people thought this type of act had been relegated to the past? The European people thought wars had been relegated to the past until a couple of years ago.
The rushist empire is starting to crumble
don't put the poison dwarfs mug shot on the screen, please!
It so revolting..
the fact he blamed ukraine for this is kinda pathetic. I thought putin would have more backbone than that
Imagine if Russia has a president that cared about the people.
And the scary part is that's more likely with Russia than with China or North Korea, but not anymore apparently.
When ? Imagination is not working on russian population.
Imagine if russia was a civilized country, more interested in working with its neighbours in peace than in causing what it causes.
Have a look at the fable of the scorpion and the frog, Russians can not help themselves its just in their nature a Good decent president wouldn't survive in the land of scorpions.
Imagine if just 1 leader in the west cared about the west
Putin is so narrowly focused that he is blind.
Obsessed with us. God knows why.
He may be narrowly focussed, but Putin's not blind. He's a psychopath. He's also a highly trained, virtuoso liar. He is past-master in the manipulation of information, fact and fiction to gain advantage. Millions of Russians will willingly swallow his nonsense.
He's focused on his own survival and that started when he was stopped from taking Keiv.
No mention of the Russian Prime Minister then! Putin is the President.
@@stephenhill545 Jealousy
Putin's speech had to be delayed to give the appearance of an investigation during those 18 hours.
Russia is getting a little taste of what they have been doing in Ukraine for 2 years !!
i said that and comment was removed.
makes me think they are reporting all the comments they disagree with.
So you have no idea what the conflict is about then? Just following your favorite propaganda and waving the flag so you fit in? Clever boy.
This was an FSB led operation. Look at the amount of military aged men wearing Blue shirts and Jeans, One was filmed saying close the exit. Russia has a playbook, but took acting and script lessons from Bollywood.
dictators always make the last mistake in the end Ukraine would not benefit from this situation in any way of thinking - only Russia benefits but in its own wrong way proclaims a fabricated story to the world nothing corresponds to reality crazy lies are starting to be seen among the population trust in Butler's lies is revealed day by day now 2 years of special operations 10% of Ukraine occupied -Putler will not succeed in the complete takeover of Ukraine, it will take tens of years, in the end I can say he will answer with his own life for this madness, all the lies will eventually be revealed, it is a fact 👌🤣👍
He bombed the apartments in Russia in '99-'00 but this does appear to be an Islamic State Attack with Ukraine having 0% to do with it.
let me play devils advocate, if Russia went to all the trouble to do a false flag operation, wouldn't they get the fsb officers to dress up as terrorists/ukrainians. The fsb officers are able to wear other clothes other than their uniforms?
Not so sure. In this case, Putin wouldn't have to wait so long with blaming Ukraine.
Love and peace.
Awesome guest! Great analysis 👍👍
terrorist vs terrorist
Who were they guys in the blue sweaters dotted around that just sat there as if nothing was happening?
FSB
@@scottpreston5074...everyone studying the Go Pro footage ..... the blue sweater men were shouting "shut the doors" ....they were not bothered ..and just sat around looking relaxed also FSB forgot to change the plates on the white van (had Beloruss plates) Enough stuff to keep people looking ....
The basket breaks open and spills the truth ...takes only 1 strand to unravel....
Yes video out there of one of them giving commands to someone off camera to shut the doors. This is consistent with public statements of not being able to find an exit that was open. In the video there were about 5 men (white) all dressed the same.
And filming on their phones, directing people where to go, etc.
Putin give your lies a rest starting to embarrassing
Putin deflecting, lying on whom is to blame is a insult to all those families that lost loved ones in the terror attack, and the Russian public. RIP to all the Russian victims 🇷🇺 ❤.
He’s going to regret ignoring them. They are in Russia and that should terrify him. They are probably deeply embedded. It will be very hard for Russia to root them out.
He has more than an ISIS problem. Russian activity in Sahel Africa is ticking off the Islamic militants there as well. So I fully expect some kind of push back sooner or later from Africa.
Unlike the jihadist groups from Central Asia and Caucasus, the Terrorist groups from the Sahara and Sahel regions do not have the capacity to send their militants to Russia proper. If they fight Russia, it will be in Mali and Niger, against Wagner bases.
No that’s why they booted France out.
Oh yes they love the Ruskies now, they will soon find out who they let in.
Lots of things to take on board. Thanks Prof. 👍
Russia was once a Gas Station with Nukes but is becoming a Gas Station without Gas.
Putin lies lies again and again, BORING
And our Media happily repeats his lies.
@@friedrichjunztNo, they challenge it and prove it wrong
@@Amradar123 Are you a bot that believes MSM narratives? Still waiting for resutls on Nord Streams terrorist act.
Are you a CIA bot?
@@_Epsilon_ What is MSM and what not?
What is that smell? Putin: The dog did it! Not me!
Every single day, Russia loses 4-10x as many people in the war in Ukrainian.
putin don’t care. See ruzzian history
I would guess most Americans would not want to see Russians hurt if they stayed behind their own border. Russia getting Hamased is not a pleasant idea. Russia should defend itself instead of offending.
Since the decline of the BBC, I have turned to Times Radio to fill the void. Well done to all involved!
Why is the world so disjointed. Imagine the possibilities if we all worked together. I am tired of humanity
I'm with you on that one. What a wonderful place it would be. Makes you ill doesn't it?
@esmith788 Bloody humans.. Yes, you are right, it does
And that's why i believe in a higher power then the humans. A place in wich there is no boundries, only love and peace. Jesus is real!
Fantastic interview and may I say... well hosted!
They attacked Russia because Putin could not pay for his last weapons delivery.
Evil begets evil
It took well over an hour for even a single policeman to arrive.
Don't tell me that was just bad luck.
I wondered when they would repay him for Syria wore crimes another horible tragedy he has caused.
20 minutes for a response? Didn’t they even have a local police force? Shameful!
What's the music in the background of this video?
Uh oh. Putin's getting slammed by Ukraine and Isis!
the constant background music is extremely annoying. get yourself an accessibility expert… this is just annoying when watching your video on 1.5x and faster
Russian investigators are the only ones on the planet that can solve a crime in under an hour, less than an episode of Columbo!
Ukraine did it!!! The ruSSian special services can solve a crime before it is committed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good picture of a scared Putin. It’s like he recognizes his end time is just around the corner the corner.
wishful thinking from the indoctrinated fools who think the BBC CNN etc are not controlled propaganda pushers.....remember covid?
Started slowly, rambled on for a bit and then drifted away.
Who? Putin?
Point taken. Wasn"t keen on the blase tone of this discussion.
❤Ukrainian ❤
I am not a conspiracy theorist fan, but I am surprised that Mark Galliotti, your expert, takes everything at face value : what you see is what you get. I recommend viewers of this video also watch Jake Broe's latest edition on the war which suggests that a particularly sinister understanding of the Krocus Massacre is highly plausible. Far from unsettling Putin, as Mark infers, the whole thing was orchestrated to benefit his war on Ukraine by ultimately blaming them for the attack, thereby enfuriating Russian citizens and thus making a further level of conscription more palatable. I won't list here all the reasons why Jake Broe believes this all too possible, but recommend viewers here once again to check his contribution to the debate on what is REALLY happening.
Jake Broe has never suggested he thinks Ukraine was involved
It seems as if blaming Ukraine doesn’t work for Putin. Russians have Telegram and it says something different
@@michaeldunham3385Do please read correctly what someone else has written before commenting so ineffectively and uselessly. How come you already have two likes for such futility?
@@2Dylandog exactly what's wrong with my statement are you suggesting he would blame Ukraine?
@@michaeldunham3385 I'll tell you what's wrong. You are a complete fool for not reading my comment through. Perhaps my first sentence ("I am not a conspiracy theory fan") misled you into believing I was criticizing Jake. Quite the contrary. I think what he has been suggesting is utterly plausible.
Tx Mark
Manveen Rana's speech is so precise and level (disconnected/emotionless) it's in danger of entering the uncanny valley from the human side.
Had to actually look her up to make sure Times Radio wasn't experimenting in cheap AI hosts (probably only months away from that anyway!)
Putin turned Russia into a terrorist state and now being attacked by another terrorist state. Well done Mr Putler, the greatest geopolitist that has ever lived.
Could do without the dramatic background music
Russian security 5 minutes away from the concert hall. Took them over an hour to respond. Isn't that odd? Isn't it also odd ISIS confessed for the attack, but Putin blames the WEST and Ukraine? Isn't it also odd this just so happened during the time Putin wants a total mobilization of more troops for Ukraine and total support for his war in Ukraine? HMM! How odd!!! Isn't it odd the terrorist didn't say Ukraine, or the West paid them for the attack, and they clearly have been tortured and still said ISIS is responsible? HMM! What's wrong with this whole picture people? Who does this really make look guilty? I think we all already know the answer to these questions!!
Love this show, even discussing a tragic topic. The sensitivity and intelligence of the conversation is just right. Cheers
Interviewer sounds like a voiceover in an ad for Saudi airlines
Nothing triggers me as much as trigger warning before anything is being heard..
There's something a bit odd about the super kind voice of the interviewer as if she's talking to another super nice infant school teacher about a keen kid.
Except she’s talking about killing and torture.
His sick brain
This war is weakening Russia. The farmers will be employing migrants I would believe.The crops need sowing, tending and harvesting. The food supplies are vital and many farmers need temporary labour to function.
they're just saying not safe to be live in russia
The guest speaker seems to know his stuff. Netflix had a dramatic series about the The Baader Meinhof Complex years ago, but I don't recall understanding that the way I do know following the guest's comments as of (just before) 18:55
We have met the enemy and he is us.
- Pogo
Excellent as always but please no graphic content pre warning.
Islam Is Everyone's Problem!
This is Mark Galeotti at his best. We could do with less, however, of the asmr, breathy voice of the presentress and the time-filling muzak.
Volume is too low on this program.
Times readers usually want the facts or intelligent speculation, not silly scary music. Really unnecessary.
I like the scary musick.
good program. But I didn't like to see the picture of the bad P.
ISIS indirectly giving Ukraine a bit of help. Can't make this stuff up.
Not ukraine
Maybe the real enemy are the friends we made along the way?
Manveen's voice though.
Putin's blame game reminds us of his true character and worthiness as a world leader...
It seems that the Islamic State has the Russians so confused as to the identity of those behind the actors, and as such, not unlike Spectre in "From Russia With Love," the James Bond movie staring Sean Connery. .How Ironic
They speak fluent Russian. There are Muslims in Russia.
The interviewer's voice is disturbingly breathy & precious.
would you prefer Bela Lugosi?
@@gaston. Bella Lugosi's dead.
@@gaston. No, Inappropriate to present as sweetly seductive & precious when the subject matter is grizzly.
The tone and lighthearted cadence in their dialogue is peculiar, like they have agreed to present a sanitized acceptable version of events......
Yes, it's peculiar. Are we listening to propaganda?
When your enemies enemy become your friend😮
That is a logical fallacy.
@user-iy - These guys are no-body's "friends"
(unless it was a Black Ops, as a Kremlin distraction - not impossible, done before)
I never applaud ISIS but surely Russia knows they have an ISIS enemy and surely a police state is better at response and prevention than this tiny little fellow with the huge bank account.
It isnt due to corruption, croneyism and having a bunch of old men in charge with a huge chip on their shoulder because the soviet union ended.
I'm so sorry this has happened to the Russian people all this stuff needs to stop and the war also
Thank god. I almost watched it. Phew…
AKA the CIA fiasco.
Whether you agree with the content or not, that was a very thoughtful & thought provoking discussion. Before 2014 I thought Russia was doing great, and I just feel like Putin, and his KGB cronies ruined all of Russia's prosperity.
It's actually distressing to even contemplate. The 143 million Russians could have become as rich as Norwegians who have (roughly) a $250,000 share of the national trust fund from the moment they are born as of today. It is said that will reach $1M by 2040. All those natural resources going to waste because of one man who wants to go down in history for "making Russia great again".
No! Its not ISIS! ITS YOU!!
His brain?
The appearance of the four scapegoats was a carbon copy of stalin's show trials. Of course they confessed, who wouldn't !
too much silly music.....distracting and annoying
To suggest that the ISISK footage was not very clear and that it may be footage from social media that victims posted to social media. It's completely misleading IT IS FOOTAGE STRAIGHT FROM THE TERRORISTS the camera man was videoing right next to the terrorist who was repeatedly slashing at the throat of one of the victims.
I don't know the last time a victim of a terrorist attack decided to stand 2 foot away from a terrorist to get a video....completely shamefull suggestion even if he's suggesting it is other people suggesting it he should have made it clear THE VIDEO WAS SHOOT BY THE TERRORISTS.
Belarusian Ambassador to Russia Dmitry Krutoy also stated that Minsk’s special forces “helped prevent the terrorists from escaping across the shared border.”
Lukashenko also said the same thing the next day seems he forgot to get his story straight with putler.
And there is also a GPS located speed camera shot of the car with the terrorists in it showing they are on the road to Belarus.
And the police took 1 hour 17 minutes to arrive.....
Could it have been a very elaborate false flag operation? The shooters did it for money? Who else was in on this?
Ukraine has always been a people of basement dwellers in the countryside. Then little by little they entered the territory as agricultural workers owning agricultural land but it was the cradle of Mother Russia.
I always thought Putin was like Dr.Evil from the Austin Powers movie.Now I realise he is actually one of the fem-bots.
They seriously risk not to even figure out if there is a problem - they just wish quite a lot that its Ukraine behind all this. However, back in the early 2000s with the whole war on terror situation, I was surprised to see the level of contempt that Russians have towards muslims living there and, yet, they only got away with a few Chechen attacks. Its not out of question if security is patchier now when so much is focused on the war.
everyone studying the Go Pro footage ..... the blue sweater men were shouting "shut the doors" ....they were not bothered ..and just sat around looking relaxed also FSB forgot to change the plates on the white van (had Beloruss plates) Plenty other weird stuff to keep people researching the TRUTH for the basket to break open and spill the truth u need only 1 strand to unravel
Putin: "Remember No Russians".
He doesn’t look like the same man from 10 years ago when he was “Voted” in. Something weird
Best played at 1.5x speed
Good comments from Mark G, but the host and associated music were enough to send me to sleep. Sounded like she was reading a bedtime story.
Now that you mention it, the host sounds like Miss Helena from the Romper Room kids TV show. Aussie Gen X kids might remember her.
Does he have one ? Really?