I’ll never get over how TK and especially Kari were shafted from the spotlight. It made perfect sense narratively, and it would be dope to see the 2 younger siblings of the original 2 leads step up and show how much they’ve grown up
@@shawnlord3419 Warning: somewhat long reply coming up They're very sidelined compared to the new trio, and with the exception of when they fought Tyrannomon (EP03) and the Meramon (EP09), respectively, they didn't have many impressive victories. Most of their function is also just to create a love triangle with Davis. Here is also them individually: - TK really only has one moment of glory, and that's when he confronts Ken/Digimon Emperor, and the entire Patamon-line is so underutilized because the writers are afraid that they will become OP, so they constantly find excuses to not let Patamon digivolve to Angemon or MagnaAngemon. Pegasusmon is mostly used for flight rather than battle. Shakkoumon was introduced incredibly late and has only ONE victory (MarineDevimon). - Kari has ONE episode dedicated to her (EP13), and is otherwise just there or is a damsel in distress. Angewomon is virtually never seen and has only ONE victory (against a random Airdramon in episode 13), and Nefertimon, like Pegasusmon, is mostly used for flight. Silphymon is slightly more used than Shakkoumon, but still not as much as Paildramon and Imperialdramon. Compare this to the new trio who had several episodes dedicated to their respective armor digivolutions, one episode each dedicated to their champion forms, and all have somewhat of an inner conflict. And as soon as Paildramon and later Imperialdramon are introduced, only Davis and Ken have some real presence and development in the story
I fully agree with you. Out of all the new digi-destined, Ken was the only one that stood out and his character development and redemption arc was well done.
Well she got back to full power when she got back her ring, the one who was done dirty is actually Takeru's Angemon, he went from being able to go against lower perfects easily and fucking *_eating_* Piemon as Holyangemon, to needing help from ankylomon of all Digimon, to do anything relevant...
I think the Dark Ocean arc was dropped because it was directly inspired by lovecraftian horror and I can understand that they didn't want to go in that direction, especially how it was hinted that Dagomon or his minions wanted to mate with Kari. Yikes. If you know anything about Dagon you know what I am talking about.
and yet despite not wanting to go that direction, digimon tri is swimming in it. The bad guy even goes for the "if you stare into the void it stares back at you" line.
@@vindoodles7346 3rd time has to be the charm one thing tri did perfectly was lore so much plotlines that instead of getting rushed would get a proper conclusion
Still pissed off about Daemon and Dark Ocean dropped plot points. And still REALLY pissed TK didn't become leader. It made no logical sense to make a new guy a leader.
Well hey Davis could've been a good leader too, he has Goggles. Anyway, I do agree with you about Dragomon I always asked what happened to that episode when Kari and TK were fighting on that beach and Daemon popped out at the end.
T.K wouldn't have been a good leader. He was too hesitant and calculating like Matt. Davis may have his flaws but the teams would've been fucked without him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: 02's biggest problem by far was just how much potential it wasted. It could have been a fantastic Digimon series, possibly even as good as Tamers, if they had bothered to fully capitalize on some of the ideas that they had presented. There were a lot of really interesting things about 02 that made it stand out, including: Having Ken as a villain who's not only human but is also another kid in school, who could thus easily infiltrate the heroes' mundane, real-world lives. Having Oikawa as another human villain whose entire motive centers around fulfilling a dream he shared with Cody's deceased father, and who consequentially has to choose between fulfilling his ambition and putting his best friend's son in danger. Having both human villains being much more sympathetic than any of the main villains in Adventure. Introducing the concept of a global Digi-destined, establishing literally an entire world of possible adventures. BlackWarGreymon, another sympathetic villain whose very existence questions if Digimon born from evil must remain evil. Damn near everything about the Dark Ocean in episode 13. The brief hint that beneath Kari's selflessness and compassion lie some pretty deep insecurities. The slightly less brief hint that T.K.'s righteous anger could lead him to some very dark places if taken too far. All of these things are ideas which, if they were more properly developed, could have led Adventure 02 to become a compelling series that not only subvert the tone and expectations of the original Digimon Adventure, but also deconstruct some of the fundamental premises of the series. But instead we got a series that lost momentum after the Digimon Emperor arc and rapidly descended into an aimless clusterfuck. By the last two episodes
I've never thought about Kari's selflessness being connected to insecurities but damn that sounds really good in theory. I guess thats the problem with having two directors constantly butting heads and ultimately leading to 02's mess.
I would have liked if Takeru went through an arc where he lost hope--and Patamon consequently lost his ability to digivolve. I would have liked if that was ever made a possibility for anyone, really. It could have caused some deep dramatic arcs.
@@patty1418 Tri should had explored her goddamn insecurities and her obsession with her Taichi (yeah, she's brocon as fuck) since 02 failed to do so. (was hoping the dark ocean "mini" arc would be her arc since she didn't really have it in Adventure as well-- her arc in Adventure was coupled with another Taichi arc.) Also literally most adventure staffs shipped Taichi and Hikari, and Hosoda interview on eps 21 was hilarious when telling Hikari saw Koromon as Taichi's mistress and wanted to make a peace with it so her older brother wouldn't leave her alone.
Pretty deep insecurities? Did the dub skip past that or do I just not remember that. I’ll get to the subbed version after I finish Adventure and I’m only on I think Izzy’s Ultimate/Perfect evolution? That episode pisses me off because the message to Tai is completely different regardless of the language considering in the “Tai and home” episode, KOUSHIRO CONTACTS TAICHI with a headset on and he’s right in front of the webcam or whatever, and in the episode in question he’s just floating there and TAI CALLS IZZY. Makes no fucking sense. And yes, I did use all the names. And having to pay attention to the screen at all times makes me realize how terrible the show looks.
Blackwargreymon's japanese voice actor is even one of my favourites He literally lost his voice once because he keep repeating the scene where he screams the final attack in a show over and over until he liked it He is also Viral in Gurren Lagann
He really wasn't. Like a lot of aspects of 02 in general he had potential but went no where in the grand schemes. His introduction arc with those stones (I forget what they're called) was really forgettable and didn't serve any purpose. The only thing that happened was introducing the Ultimate lv Digimon and that's really it. And him sacrificing himself to seal the portal was pointless because everyone got to the Digital World anyway. If you were to cut him out nothing would have changed that much.
Wasn't the "magic" only the thing that made Ken genius? I mean, it makes no sense that he suddenly became genius after his brother died and then reverted back to being a normal kid after he stopped being the Digimon Kaiser. No matter how much character development he has... this cannot be explained in any other way than magic. And I totally buy it.
Shadow Hedgehog Or if the writing didn’t blow, he could have just always have been a genius, they leave out the stupid dark spore BS, and Ken just had a redemption arc where he grows as a character. Or just drop the genius thing entirely, what does it actually add to the story?
Let me explain about the "evil spore" That spore is from a digimon called Milleniummon. Basically a fusion between Chimeramon and Machindramon. And Chimeramon being the Digimon Ken created, its almost like Milleniummon was using Ken as a puppet to resurrect himself.
I think you were a little too dismissive about the spores being magic. I had always seen it as a symbolic look at evil. Basically the spores required a certain darkness to be present in order for it to grow. And by the time it blooms it is too late because it was noticed in time. This is not so much magic as it is real life. We always have seeds of evil being planted into us but it is the way that we deal with life which decides if that evil grows or not.
Yeah, I have to agree with that. Even at the end they say the kids still have the dark spore inside them, but it's harmless unless they give it fertile soil to grow in (so to speak). It is easy to see it as "the devil made me do it" scenario, but I think in reality it's more of a "power corrupts" thing going on.
@@yani-madara2835 Drugs are certainly one of several ways to control people. I'm not sure if it makes them emotionless in the case of the spores though. Ken was bitter and resentful. And several of the children they showed with the spores became easily agitated with their parents. That doesn't seem emotionless to me.
Ken was not evil because of the spore, those only enhanced the darkness in him and, in fact, would have remained dormant forever if said darkness didn't arise and nourish them.
So basically that spore turned his sadness into him being evil by making the darkness inside him bigger...that mean the spore did made him evil... that's at least how you described it
@@husariuspl117 Nope, when a loved one dies you're not just sad, you feel an array of emotions, some of those are guilt, anger, envy and frustration, those negative ones made the spore grow which in turn exacerbated the worst side of him, people's minds aren't just black or white.
@@husariuspl117 you do realize your response is an oxymoron yes? How is sadness non just being sad? It's literally the state of being sad. And just because it implies other things in conjunction with it, the feelings I cited before are distinct, so your point is moot.
I remember being veeeery satisfied with the concept of the second season as an Digimon obsessed child 💕 They kept what I liked and evolved the plot in an logical way. It feels more real for a kid that the digital world is like a "game" you can play after school than being trapped in it and is a logical consequence that Ken doesn't take it serious and becomes the emperor. I loved to see how the kids from the first season became teenagers and the "around the world" - part. I also really liked the combined transformations.
The whole thing with the dark spores is actually meant to be a tie in that directly connects the story of 02 with the digimon wonderswan games, with the dying Machinedramon from adventure jogressing through time and space with the dying Kimeramon from 02, creating Millenniumon which ends up being the origin of the dark spores (we actually see this happen in 02 in a brief flashback). This whole plot point underlines most of the anime, as it is hinted that Millenniumon was also the cause of Apocalymon from adventure, and thus he essentially bootstrap paradoxed himself into existence. Also by becoming Ryo's partner the games also connect Tamers into the mix, resulting in a weird timey-whimey crazy complicated but interesting mess of a story. Too bad no one in the west even freaking knows what a wonderswan even is, SUCH A GREAT IDEA TO TIE THE ANIME TO GAMES ON A CONSOLE THAT NEVER LEFT JAPAN.
Thank for the info. Actually I live in the US, and own a Wonderswan color, and the very game you mention. Sadly though, I was never able to finish it, as I'm not currently fluent by any means, in Japanese. So understanding made it tough. But it was actually a fun game.
Daniel Haras it actually showed Ryo alongside Millenniummon ( imgur.com/a/EXEfJpX ), not Machinedramon, but yeah, an undoubtedly poor job. Just like everything else in 02, none of the plot threads in any of the arcs got quite nearly enough time to be fully explored or given enough development to be satisfying.
Pierah Ahhhh right...so unmemorable and badly made that I remembered it bad It's really a shame that Millniumon was never made more prominent in the Anime, ZeedMillniummon is one of my favorite digimon
I liked that they kept the 02 cast out of the Tri movies. I just simply HATED the way they went about doing it. The fact that the kids don't look into what why they're missing makes everyone look dumb and careless.
First, it's a mixed fandom... second, I think while people don't want the 02 cast, they want them removed properly... not in danger yet for some reason forgotten.
@@MadameTamma well we were not supposed to care about them, that's just how the writing is. And frankly, i was really happy that i don't have to care about them at all. I don't care about any exposition or wtf happened to them or whatever. They less screentime they got the happier i am.
The fact that Taichi finally points out that Daisuke and the others are in pods annoyed me so much because he could have tried to free them before Dark Gennai turned the life support off. If the teacher was able to use the computer to look for info, why didn't they just open the pods. The definitely weren't dead
0:47 This episode you show a clip of here changed EVERYTHING about the show. Before, it was a pretty run-of-the-mill "villain of the week" series. But that episode was so different and surreal, it put real stakes behind the characters' actions. It actually caused me to freak out when I first watched it, with how out of left field it was. Side note: I only watched this series 2 years ago, when I was over 21, so there's no 'nostalgia goggles' here. The Japanese dub really helped, and had better quality all around.
I actually love how the motivation was so extremely simple and even selfless. It showed how good motivations can lead to great problems and also how plans can change and that not everything has to be a grand conspiracy. Villains can just think "Okay that failed so let's try this instead"
Kens redemption arc (without the stupid magic part at the end) was the best redemption arc I ever saw. Because he went home after everything and really had to understand what he did, then he went to the digiworld to meet his digimon while other digimons attacked him. He tried to help and was accpeted into the group but not everyone was forgiving. He had to talk with his parents, with his new friends and then there was the amazing scene were he saw himself getting tortured by digimons. It took time and a lot of work. Compare this for example to Loki who never had a redemption arc and just turned somehow more or less good without someone really adressing his crimes.
@@SirBlackReeds Nope. Japanese dub reveals a bit more information and has less tacked on narration and shit, but alot of the unresolved plot-lines remain unresolved, or at least poorly resolved in the case of the Dark Ocean and Daemon thing.
This was my favorite season. I think them being older and the soundtrack won me over. That world tour arc was the most memorable part of my cartoon viewing childhood
Ken was what SAVED Digimon 02 as a season for me. I would have never liked this season half as much if Ken's arc wasn't a part of it. I related to him a lot on a personal level as someone who has always HATED THEMSELVES lmao I mean I never kicked puppies or enslaved digital creatures but I did relate to feeling like my life was worthless, which Ken DID in that one episode that I forget the name of bUT I DIGRESS. Ken wasn't just my favorite character in Digimon 02, he was my favorite character full stop. In the whole series. I just ... I love Ken man.
Cutest moment of the entire series is when Demi-Veemon wakes up Davis and says good morning to him. My issue, I watched this before I watched Naruto. So when I hear Rock Lee, I just hear Davis. Lol
Honestly I do like Davis I didnt like the way the other characters treated him trough, Davis and Ken working together and dna digivolving makes sense, their good friends, and Davis was the only one of the team who forgave him first and tried befriending him first. sadly I cant say the same about Kari/Yolei and TK/Cody's friendships
They really needed to put as much effort into the other two yeah. The fact the other's were just sort of like "Okay yeah DNA now." kinda cheapens the graivtas paildramon's reveal had.
Kari/Yolei was kinda okay but it wasnt really about them as friends but more about Yolei slaping Kari out of her angst moment, Cody almost seemed worried that he couldnt dna digivolve with TK and it just felt like they could do it just because they were the only 2 left and because Cody wanted it badly
Davis and Ken are the best characters of the franchise. The build-up of their rivalry and later their friendship is insanely well-written compared to other season's characters. Looking at you Tamers, especially your sidekicks.
I think that 02 just started badly and with it, Daisuke's (Davis') start. It felt really forced that Taichi (Tai) made that decision on his own like that. Hikari (Kari) and Takeru (TK) were both experienced with the Digital World, familiar with its battles and map, while Daisuke went there once. He had zero experience dealing with anything at that point. The way Taichi's leadership role works, is because he never appointed himself as one. During the first episodes, there was clear conflict about who calls the shots and the rivalry between Yamato (Matt) and him, the most vocal about it, made for a really interesting group dynamic. Things would have been less forced down our throats if Hikari and Takeru led the group together for a while, but came to the conclusion through experience that they aren't cut out for it, but Daisuke is (Daisuke's great decision making input, or his courage to stride forward, pick something). That Daisuke's leadership reminds them a little of Taichi and while not completely the same, how they need someone like him to step forward in the group. Would have appreciated him a whole lot more if he wasn't so damn incompetent the first half of the season. If no one takes his leadership seriously, what was the point in him leading in the first place.
I would have honestly loved if Daemon was the final villain, probably with a plotline related to the Dark Ocean. Maybe some of Devimon's data survived the fight with Angemon and instead of being reborn as a Digi-Egg, it found its way to the Dark Ocean, using the dimension's energy to grow stronger. It would have also explained why Kari got dragged into that dimension, as an attempt by Devimon/Daemon to get rid of one of the original Digidestined.
I was hella into the Digimon series growing up but more invested in Digimon Tamers (I loved the Digimon and the characters in that one) and Digimon Frontier (I like how the characters transform into their Digimon). Digimon 02 was fun but not as entertaining to me (although TK, Ken, and Davis were my favorites). Haven't seen any of the other seasons after Frontier but Digimon has a special place in my heart
FINALLY someone who lieks Frontier's concept like I do! Seriously, I actually really liked that the humans directly turned into digimon to fight directly instead of just hanging back and letting their partners do everything. i was actually getting pretty annoyed with that in Mons shows and it was a good change of pace. Frontier has flaws, granted, but the concept behind it isn't one.
Tamers is easily the better written season, every arc has a reason and transport to the next, and Frontier is cool because is lietrally an animated super sentai show, the whole second arc is really really weak tho.
Personally I think it would be really cool for 02 to get a remake with better animation and a more polished story. The characters have potential, but only Ken's potential was really explored (he's actually my favorite HUMAN character of the seasons I've seen, but Matt and TK are close seconds). But that's just my opinion 😄
Just like tri there’s lots of plotpoints and tri mentions it so that’s great all they need to do is actually execute them also just realised 2 has crappy ideas but great executions the exact opposite of tri
I always interpreted the Dark Spores thing with Ken as simply amplifying his emotions to an extreme level that made him irrational and, for lack of a better word, evil, rather than it simply being the spores on their own, and as for Myotismon being the villain, I do have problems with it, but I can kinda understand it beyond a cash-grab, Myotismon did come back from the dead once as VenomMyotismon, I don't see why he couldn't do it again as MaloMyotismon, but I do feel like there should have been hints, either subtle or not-so subtle, that he was the final villain, as for the argument for Daemon being the final villain, I can kinda see it, but when Devimon is scanned, his body disintegrates, meaning he had to start over as a Digi-Egg and go all the way back up, and I don't see Devimon being able to go from his baby form to his Mega level form in the time between the reveal of Daemon and his death prior to Kimeramon's creation, perhaps back to Devimon maybe, but not to a higher level, and as for the Dark Ocean plot line, I am upset by it, as prior to playing Digimon World Dawn for the DS, I never knew who that digimon was, and it never showed up, despite how amazing of an antagonist Dracomon/Dragomon could've been if they'd done things right, for example, make him a digimon that was wrongfully sent to the Dark Ocean as a punishment, and went insane in the Dark Ocean, driving him to evil, or making him a once kind Digimon who fell into the Dark Ocean and was corrupted by it's inherent evil (because it's canonically the source of all Evil in the Digital World)
I dunno, honestly I loved 02. I mean, yeah it wasn't great. And the dropped plot points annoyed me (especially the Dark Ocean) but that doesn't mean 01 didnt have that either. Anyone remember numamon bowing to Kari calling her "Queen Kari?" Or the entity that takes over Kari that never gets explained. Or the fact that when Tai goes back and Kari knows Coromon, yes its referencing the movie but in that movie to my knowledge (and in the episode which references it) Kari was said to have actually visited the Digital World before..... Basically, a lot of dropped plot points deal with Kari lol my point being that it definitely had its flaws, and while I wasn't super attached to Yolei or Davis, I did love the others. TK and Kari became my favorite, Ken was a great addition, I loved Cody and all he represented, the digimon made me laugh and cry, and it was a rollercoaster of emotions. Maybe its nostalgia, or the idea that it had potential, but despite its flaws and jumbled nature I love it.
I really like the call back to the events of the Original like Yolie taking part of Diaboramon from the film which is Canon, Davis, being on the sidelines during Myotismon battle and Cody being part of the plane incident when the digital world was being shown in the sky. The whole original digimon losing there ultimates didnt go away permanently because Azulongmon gave Gennei a light Orb that gave back the Original Digimon there Ultimates and Mega forms back including WarGraymon and Metal Garurumon, which they would use in Digimon Adventure Tri. I just really like the connection between the first 2 seasons, unlike the other seasons after it, they just goes off on there own thing. Honestly i do wish Tamers was set in the same universe as the Adventure series. Mostly because i think the first 3 seasons were just the best, Frontier was ok i kind of fell apart just trying to get into it but after that i just wasn't into it. I hope one day they can have the Original 8 and 02 Characters join together into one big group, leave Tai in charge of leadership while putting Davis as second in command.
I think I loved Digimon 02 more than the others as a kid because of Flamedramon. I still think he's one of the coolest designs in the franchise. Stingmon too. Edit: The Digimon Movie OST is legit the best movie soundtrack ever. I still listen to it occasionally. It's absolutely 100% nostalgia driving this opinion and I don't even care.
Yeah, the dark spores don't really come out of nowhere. They're connected to the WonderSwan games and Ryo (who was in season 3, because Digimon apparently has a multiverse). Basically, when Ken was a kid and got his Crest, he went on an adventure with Ryo to fight Millenniummon. When Milleniummon died, it released the dark spores, setting off the events for Ken to become the Digimon Emperor.
The problem is that unless you had out side knowledge about the games the whole thing makes very little sense and it doesn't help that the games were never released outside Japan. Anytime a story requires you to know information not shown in the original is just bad writing.
Sadly it is way more complicated than that. Its one giant paradox that is terrible to explain. Your version just manages to make it sound less complex.
@@connorwood9211 the wonder swan games we’re immensely popular in Japan. Popular to the point that they added RYO to tamers. There are definitely problems with this season but the dark spore line was set up well and then executed poorly.
@@Aaaaaaaa-ix4rp No it wasn't. Any plot point that requires the viewer to do outside research and play expanded shit because the anime itself fails to provide context is a shitty plot point. Ryo was added to Tamers to help promote the games. Not because there was fan demand he be added, and it only made Tamers worse as he came off as a blatant Mary Sue.
The thing I don't like about hearing people say " Pokemon clone" is that it makes it sound like pokemon did it first when Shin Megami Tensei came before then. You ally all sorts of monsters and fight alongside them.
Digimon is not a clone of Pokemon anyways, they released less than a year apart. So it is impossible for them to be clones of each other at release. They are so different anyways when people call it a clone they are just uneducated. If anything Pokemon now is a clone with Mega evolution and all :)
It's more annoying because Digimon and Pokemon are NOT the same. The only thing they have is "mon" at the end of their title but aside from that, both shows were vastly different from one another. Digimon had an actual plot that went somewhere with character growth and it actually ended the story for the main characters unlike Pokemon that just kept going with no actual development and even after all these years, Ash is still 10 years old lol Pokemon had the better games (as far as accessibility goes) but Digimon, at least the first 2, maybe 3 seasons had the better plot.
Boy, I remember a time when Jetix was a thing. Digimon was among the shows that would pop on and I'd eagerly sit down and watch. ...I dearly miss those days when life was so simple.
Daisuke's courage help the team to defeat Malomyotismon when everyone was afraid and under the villain's spell. Also, he is the only one who went after Ken when the digimon attack his town when even tai was stopping him.
i LOVE Digimon 02, but I do admit it was a mess, from what I have read back in Japan there was a real creative battle going on as multiply directors worked on the season and all of them had their own idea what they wanted to do, in fact one director who later directs Tamers, and is known for Serial Experiment Lain had many ideas about the dark ocean in mind. But I still love it for what it is, but like 01 the series is stale at first but gets better in the second half
While I still appreciate the end result... I still wonder how much better it would have been if the two creative sources were more cooperative and helpful instead of conflicting
Man, Ken's storyline was so good though. I liked Davis too, but the rest of the characters got on my nerves to the extent it was hard to want to root for them.
It's funny that 02 was hands down my favorite as a kid. I loved the next generation feel and the way the original groups still factored in. Especially when the group returns to active combat for the final arc. Today I have rewatched Adventure and Tamers. Adventure was good and Tamers was amazing but I honestly couldn't rewatch 02. Holy shit you hit it spot on with how weird it felt seeing Davis throwing out the terminology so easily. Loved the Digimon Emperor idea and how 02 used the idea of humans as flawed and susceptible to making mistakes and becoming villains. I don't recall it clearly but I loved how this tied into the corruption with the seeds at the end and the dark ocean (though that was never wrapped up in the dub at least). I really want to rewatch 02 but it's just so cringey in the first few episodes it keeps me from the shining moments I know happened.
I've went back and rewatched a lot of the Digimon series over and over throughout the years, and I keep comign back to all of them - I absolutely love each season, even the hated Frontier. This one, nostalgia goggles probably on, is always my favorite, and I'm not quite sure why, I just absolutely love it - the armor digivolution is such a cool concept, and, I dunno, maybe I will go back and rewatch them all again to see if my opinion has changed, but this one is my top, then tamers for sure
i kinda liked frontier Probably because the first episode and: I like trains.... *sound of trains coming and horn followed by... asdfmovie2 And the ending is not just spectalur but the occult shit going around man oh fuckig man id love to see a sequel, and yeah i do prefer bio-digivolution over tunring themselves in digimon but i kinda did like it and it''s my otherkin thing
Adventure 02 in retrospect is a very flawed season, I loved the idea of the story continuing with new digi destined taking the reigns with old cast acting as mentors and TK and Kari continuing on, the threat of a Human villain was different and interesting and I liked the idea of both worlds being at risk at the same time rather just one at time in the first season. Aside from Ken being the best addition and some good episodes here and there the season was clearly mishandled by the directors and it felt like a jumbled mess in the end, I still like it but not as much as the first season. Should really talk about Tamers next.
Yeah, 02's only real strong points were Oikawa and especially Ken. All the villains, really. The Dark Ocean and Daemon had so much potential and the episodes focusing on them were so strong. At least we got Tamers right afterwards (and Tamers' writer was the one who made the Dark Ocean and Daemon, so thank him for giving 02 amazing material that it completly wasted), but 02 is so awful it's hard to reccommend to anyone beyond the Digimon Emperor arc.
Because it sorta didn't. Until Oikawa came into the scene, every new plot point introduced after the Digimon Emperor arc, outside of Ken's redemption, seemed like the writers were just buying time until they found out what they wanted to do next. It was pretty much all filler, which is really obvious when you realise that the villains either had no concrete goals, like BlackWarGreymon, who was a pathethic attempt at trying to be deep, wild Digimon like in the wretched world tour episodes, or Arukenimon, whose goal completly contradicts what we learn about her later (why the fuck are you destroying the Digital World when Oikawa made you so you could help him enter it?) and has no motivation beyond "I'm evil".
The only villain in 02 who had any semblance of a definable goal was MaloMyotismon, arguably. Oikawa was just "Possessed" like Ken was. The "World Tour" episodes were horrifically bad, and I think that BlackWarGreymon was an attempt at having a "complex" villain but it didn't take. Hell, Yamaki and Beelzemon in Tamers respectively are better versions of BlackWarGreymon. Adventure 02 could have never happened and nobody would have noticed.
No, Oikawa had a goal: to reach the Digital World. Myotismon's influence took away any semblance of morality he had in order to complete that objective, but Oikawa had been trying to get there his entire life, so it can't be said that his goal was ill-defined or that he had none at all. But yes, 02 was an unecessary mistake and Tri essentially acting like it never happened, except for evil Genai using a Digimon Emperor disguise because Ken is amazing, shows that wonderfully.
My problem with Oikawa is that he didn't have any agency/free will/whatever after coming in contact with Malomyotismon, even if he had a set objective/goal. Yamaki and Kurata were both better in their respective seasons, but for different reasons. (Yamaki was doing the right thing but not necessarily using the right methods and Kurata was a fucking sociopath.) Ken was the best character in 02, but even he had to play second fiddle for the vastly undeserving Davis.
I liked 02. It was definitely the weakest of the first 3 seasons, but despite its wasted potential in some parts, I feel like there were a lot of really good moments.
I remember crying when digimon adventures was finished and a new season with new characters would begin. But then i saw that it was still with the old cast as well. So it made me happy and i really liked it.
I remember oe person saying something really true about Ken, He's the green ranger of digimon. Interesting when he's a villain, bland as toast once he turns good.
Ken still grew when he was good. Tommy was just generic sentimental badass who gets every pink Ranger cause sentimental and badass - but really cause appealing to tweens.
It is completely different (basically the lack of "digimon partners"). I really liked it because I never compared it with the other digimon series; but with other "pure fantasy" series [with zero science and full magic]. -> Is the polar opposite of Tamers, and good in its own way.
Out of all the Digimon seasons, Frontier was and will always remain my absolute favorite. I just loved the concept of the kids in the show actually getting the chance to kick some ass for a change instead of just standing around and cheering on their partner Digimon.
Frontier had a great concept and some of the best designs. When it comes to characters, I feel like Takuya, Koji and Koichi (were these names changed in the english version?) were the only ones getting any real attention, which isn't good when you are at an all time low for main characters. The other series divided screentime more equally. I felt the story moved kind of slow, but wasn't bad until the Royal Knights showed up to kill any momentum left. The plot makes absolutely no progress in those 10 episodes: they are somewhere, the Royal Knights show up, they fight the Royal Knights and lose, a part of the world gets deleted, rinse and repeat. I hate to see this much potential wasted; the series could've been really great, maybe even as great as I remembered it from my childhood. Tamers on the other hand reached my high expectations, and Savers even exceeded my (much lower) expectations for it. So yeah, Frontier isn't that bad, but it isn't one of the good seasons.
Then maybe there is an alternate universe were the 14 missing episodes covers the "Dark Ocean" storyline and flesh out better what the deal was with Deemon...
Adventure 01 is my favorite and Tamers a close second but holy shit did Adventure 02 have my favorite episode. Episode 23 was unexpected and it being in a series that is kinda to me a simple watch to get over, it was seriously mind blowing. It was the episode where Ken was recalling his past. The narrative, his brother, his inferiority complex, his parents, the bubbles everything just worked and I felt it was extremely powerful.
I loved 02 as a kid and it still holds a big chunk of my heart. TK was always my favorite character and I agree that he really was the most qualified to be the leader of the team for 02. Could have developed him from the shy, mild-mannered boy that he was into a strong leader because he already knew his stuff. He saw Tai as an older brother when Matt wasn't around and he learned a ton from him.
Creative Director: "...but TK doesn't wear goggles." I can't believe it either. The only thing Davis had on TK was that he was sheer excitement/enthusiasm.
@@finris1They could have just had Takeru (or Hikari, since she and Gatomon function as part of the Sixth Ranger trope in _Digimon Adventure_ and _Power Rangers Zeo_ establishes that a Sixth Ranger becoming the leader is a good idea; in addition, she also has blood relation to Taichi; the reason why I used the JP names for the humans, but not the Digimon in question is because 1) the original producers are the problem, not Saban, and 2) the name Tailmon sucks) get some goggles if they're going to make that a pre-requisite for being the main-est character.
Ken ranks high on my list of 'favorite anime characters of all time', it's just sad that the other characters didn't get as much development as he did, as you mentioned. The story really got to know him on a very personal level, while everyone else had about as much depth as a puddle. It would've been nice to see the story take the time to explore everyone else in as much detail.
One: Yeah, the algorithm is wonky. Two: Digimon 02 is a fantastic series people hate on because they can't accept change. Davis in particular is one of the best leaders that's hated on because he never had a 'I done goofed moment' the other leaders did. Three: Digimon Tri retcons this in a horrible way. First off, the writers kill off the 02 characters, minus Ken because they wanted Imperialdramon in their show just to beat him down with Original Digidestined Mega Forms. Then proceed to NEVER MENTION DAVIS, VEEMON, YOLEI, HAWKMON, CODY, ARMADILLOMON, OR WORMMON EVER AGAIN!!!!! They even bring in a new character and Digimon, but never mention the others because the writers hate them... with a passion. Sure, they "mention" Digidestined disappearing from around the world, but do they even check in with the other members of their team?? Nope. And you can't say 02 didn't happen, because Kari and TK still have their D3s, even though they don't Armor Digivolve anymore. Four: What's different is that because Time has fixed itself (see the finale of the original Adventure), the gang can't stay overnight to continuously deal with the problem of the Digital World. They have responsibilities and lives. Sure, they were stuck in the first one, but only 10 minutes had passed since they left once all of them get back. And Tai got back like 5-8 minutes sooner and introduced us to Kari as the Eighth Digidestined (way to keep suspense since during the Myotismon arc when we're waiting for the other shoe to drop and people realize it's Kari). Beyond the danger of 'dying', it kinda would have felt in poor taste if a human, one of the main characters at that, actually died in the Digital World. But in 02, they can't stay in the Digital World to fix the problem in one go, because time is stabilized between Human and Digital World, they are gone in REAL time. Parents would be worried, Police and other Authorities would be involved, so they have to live a that double life in order to actually do their job without interference from the wrong people. Five: Ken's mind may have been influenced by the Dark Spore, but that doesn't mean he wasn't on that path in the first place. The loss of his brother was a source for it to feed off of, magnifying that pain. When people are in a bad place, they start to feel darker parts of themselves coming into focus, and without a different influence to counteract it, they tend to fall into that Darkness. But it's still a kids show, so there needs to be an explanation why he went so far, and another villain to be unredeemable so Ken is more empathic by comparison. Six: Dragomon actually digivolves into Daemon, even though Daemon is a Demon Lord and that's something totally different, but the point is that Daemon is the next form. Yes he's defeated by being send to the Dark Ocean, but it's implied that the Digidestined are going to have to face him sometime after MaloMyotismon and before that 20-year later shit. Six: While it's true that TK should have been leader, it wouldn't have the same outcome. Davis, like Tai, needed to be the leader for those crucial moments that TK, like Matt, wouldn't be able to make the hard decisions that ended up winning the day. Seven: The Digi-rap makes me laugh... because of how bad it is in retrospect. In conclusion: The show is pretty cool, but not perfect. English Dub had a humor focus when there are times when it was unneeded, but again... Kids Show. Davis is hated because he never had a 'I done goof' moment and isn't praised when he takes a risk that pays off and saves the day. All in all, it wonky, silly, awesome, deep, and altogether an amalgamation good and bad that make it stands out from its predecessor. Great video man. Glad to hear positive things about it from another person for a change.
RedDragonForce2 nah, Davis isn't a good leader, in fact he never leads. It's the other kids who decide over what to do and Davis just goes along with it. It felt more like they allow him to think that he's their leader to feed his ego. And no, he's not better in the JP version, his dialogue is mostly the same. In fact the creators admitted that Daisuke never grows and was specifically created to be a static character. Hence why 02 evolutions don't require any growth. Many people gave 02 a chance but it just kept disappointing people.
Bright Light You're talking out of your ass. Never leading? Never growing as a character? Oh excuse me, I thought that Davis was the only one that actually had the courage and compassion to befriend Ken when he was still at a low point in his life and everyone else basically wanted him dead. If you honestly think that any other character development/interaction of the franchise comes even close, I honestly don't know what to tell you, besides open your eyes. The only real negative about Davis was his crush on Kari and how they emphasized it. And from what I remember, the dub was dramatically over-emphasizing on this compared to the original material.
Takato as in Tamers Takato, or misspelled Takeru?? One I take offense with, because Takato is a newbie learning on his own, while Davis technically has Tai for a mentor. Takeru... calling him trash is demeaning, but honestly, I can't find fault host because he's been a Digidestined longer.
Dr. Florence Its the truth besides saying "Let's go!" Daisuke never acts as the leader of the group. And it isn't just the American version either, it's there in the JP version as well and perhaps even more true over there. For instance, the ones who really convinced the team to give Ken a second chance wasn't Daisuke but Takeru, Hikari and the older kids. In fact it's actually Hikari who brings up the idea of Ken joining in the first place. And then there one who brought Ken into the team was actually Miyako. Daisuke didn't convince them of anything, and really only made the situation worse. They weren't even against the idea of Ken joining they just felt that both sides needed time, a fact that Daisuke couldn't understand. In fact, the whole reason why Daisuke even forgave Ken at all was because of the crest of kindness literally telling Daisuke that Ken was a good person (Daisuke outright admits to this this so its not an opinion it's a fact). In fact pay attention to scenes where the characters are deciding on their next plan of action, you'll notice that Daisuke more often than not stands away from the group. And often not saying anything at all. And yes, he doesn't grow as a character the creators admitted to it, again it's a fact not an opinion.
Bright Light wow, way to a dick to a good character!! “It’s not opinion, it’s fact” like the fact that you are lying. Davis is a good character, and you hating on him is just making yourself look stupid.
14:50 I'm not so sure. I think it really added a lot that they had to call on Ken every time they encountered a ultimate level digimon yet they didn't know rather they could trust him or not. I think it makes things a lot more interesting to have to rely on someone you can't entirely trust.
Also Billiam , Digimon Tri didnt ignore the Digimon 02 stuff because the fans or characters didnt care.(in fact a lot of people have complained about it, esp in Japan) its marketing, since there already working on a new Digimon Tri project involving the 02 kids
Will Digimon Tri actually involve the 02 kids? I heard they were getting killed off because of the negative reception that series got but if they'll actually bring them back for this new one, I'll be interested in the new direction
Honestly Tri kind of trolled 02 in form of Imperialdramon getting curbstomped and killed while the 01 gang did not give a crap that they just killed one of their friend's Digimon like that(stings more that they felt awful in killing Miecoomon though) And how the Digimon Kaiser we saw is just an imposter, definitely a middle finger to Kaiser fans honestly.
To be fair, the spore does have some lore behind it in the Digimon Anode and Cathode tamer games which are semi-cannon and you play as Ken and Ryo Akiyama where they fight against Millenniummon and that's who infects Ken and compels him to make kimeramon who digivolves to millenniummon
I always thought the second season was just about as good as the first.I can't believe Billiam didn't talk about Mummymon and Arukenimon.They were the most memorable villians to me aside from the Emperor.
erbrown115 god I remember that show...... and I remember it ended on a cliff hanger because Fox Kids was shut down and replaced by the Fox Box and later 4Kids TV
I wouldn't say it's the best.... In my opinion, I believe the original series was the best. You can't beat the first season. Tamers comes close, but there are a few issues with Tamers, I noticed while rewatching it in Both English and Japanese. But still. I still love it. Edit: I will say this though! Tamers is better then most of the others series. 02, frontier, Data Squad.... God kill me, Data squad.... This is all opinion though soooo. 1. Digimon Adventure (Best) 2. Tamers 3. Frontier 4. 02 5 Data Squad. (Worst)
Personally Ken is one of my favorite Digimon characters overall, then again if Digimon had a good character type it was the reformed villain. Impmon did that in Season 3, Koichi did that in Season 4, Keenan did that in Season 5... though id put Ken and Impmon above the other two.
You MAY argue that the "role" of redeemed character on Adventure was Gatomon/Tailmon (starting as the "Dragon" of the very evil "Big Bad"); but since she never did anything worse than knocking out other characters in a fair fight; all the "evil acts" she may have done were always offscreen. -> She did try to outright assassinate Kari from behind, but she could not do it because of some subconcious instinct keeping from annihilating herself in the process [given the fact that they were soul_bonded (or something like that) from the very begining].
Yeah she wasn't a villain for too long and at that she was a lackey at best. Ken was the big bad for the first half of 02 and Impmon worked on his own until he wanted more power and then both regretted it in the end, whereas Gatomon had no consequences to suffer as she didn't do anything serious in the first place.
I always thought Ken was well developed since he went through so much and that redemption Arc helped to understand his motives. But I was never a fan of the second part, I only liked that Kari and TK were older.
Tamers is the best in my opinion. I'm not saying it's all bad (the villains and world-building in particular are pretty great) but I have A LOT of problems with 02.
well Eden... yeah the pace nearly ruined it for me. I loved how they changed kids but the pace is pretty bad. and the worst is fusion in my opinion, the other series knows how to end, that one does not (from what I have heard)
well Eden... yeah the pace nearly ruined it for me. I loved how they changed kids but the pace is pretty bad. and the worst is fusion in my opinion, the other series knows how to end, that one does not (from what I have heard)
I don't know how this dude can say that their future jobs are out of character though... they're all like 10-12. Their characters have a lot of room to grow
You are wrong. The evil spore does not directly control people, the person's evil side makes it more powerful. So in a sense it increases his chances of staying evil but in reality this evil has an origin in himself, not the spore. Reason why the evil spore was never removed from Ken. He achieved a perfect symbiosis with it or whatever. And he still can use it's powers but he choses not to. The dark spore makes people smarter and more focused in their personal objectives, making friendship unnecessary. In order to use it's powers the person has to stay in an evil state of mind which is something everybody has. Reason why there are several other kids that have this dark spore and unlike Ken, these kids made the choice to get it.
Trenzinho da Alegria that Lambian guy spreads alot of fake facts around Season 2. I dunno if that guy watched the japanese version completly zo compare the MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN DIALOGUE INFORMATION but holy cow, I never facepalmed that much during a Digimon review of anything because of the sh*t he's trying to make sense of! And I know about the flaws too, I got plenty of critic for this season/series/show alone, but the reasons he presented someimes didn't make any sense!
I think he was corruped by darkness when he got depressed and angry and hating when his brother died, which fed the spore and corupted him. Its his dark side that everyone has when you push them enough. If the spore would have controlled him he wouldnt be so desperate to redeem himself.
For a long ass time growing up I couldn't tell the first and second Digimon apart. I loved them both growing up so much so that they became one thing for me. Only looking back as an adult I realized they were two totally different parts of the franchise. I can not for the life of me which one I loved more.
This season was a big hot mess, it reminded me of those cartoons in the 80's where they just made characters to make toys based on them. But it was such a guilty pleasure.
Mae Dominguez agreed. But thank God that they kept Jeff Nimoy and Bob Busholtz as the dub writers and directors. And they kept the original cast, as well as using 4 previous VAs for the new cast. I can actually list them. Biyomon voiced yolei Mimi voiced Cody Leomon voiced wormmon And demidevimon voice Ken and veemon
I disagree, they hve some heavy stuff in the earlier seasons, like kens breking bad phase because o his grief, and katis dark moments, and kens redemption arc. Overall its fairly pschological interesting.
it's funny that to me it's my favorite one. I really saw it has the "continuation" of the first series. and the arcs were so great , that made me really like 02. ...really not gonna mention black wargreymon once... i mean i get u kinda "disliked it" but there were a bunch of good storylines u didn't even mention.
02 is my favorite season just because of the Digimon Emperor. I know Tamers is better. I still love Adventure. But Ken Ichijouji is one of my favorite characters of all time. Even as a kid, I came up with all sorts of excuses as to why the Dark Spore wasn't the real cause of him being evil. Because I preferred him being complex.
Just finished watching Tri so this video is perfectly timed to satisfy my digi-cravings! Would love for you to continue and do Tamers (my fav season) and Tri review/ retrospective!! :)
Decadent Gamer I personally don't think so. It's nice to hear most of the voice actors return, but the plot has holes in it and the 02 cast are written off from the start. Luckily it's not canon
+KarnRulez I didn't like that the 02's Digimon were forgotten pretty much, were they? I wished it actually came back and bit the 01's in the butt with the 02's Digimon out for revenge due to some villain taking advantage of things.
6:15 He's also one of the 2 main characters of the Japanese WonderSwan games. My biggest disappointment with 02 is not capitalizing on the WonderSwan lore, like having thevolder kids and V-mon recognize Ken at the soccer game or explaining that he too was a Digidestined who helped the older kids through a serious crisis between series, and mentioning Ryo and Millenniummon in general. As we got it, we only got a flashback of when Ken took the shot and the Dark Seed implanted itself into him.
I liked the black wargreymon episodes where he did his own thing and eventually met with Agumon and also where they met Wizardmon's ghost That was scary and also sad and tragic because I didn't know of the old series and it was jarring to see an old ally desperately warn them beyond death And I love the intro song, the Indonesian dub was exhilarating
Now imight be wrong and if I'm wrong here ignore it haha but the dark spore in ken never turned him completely evil it amplifies negative emotions and sends them outward 2 fold so yes the spore did give more evil intent but he only did it as a way to escape from his problems like we all do when we deal with sorrow or grief we push it down though in kens case his pushed back.
To be fair the series didn't really explain the dark spores you'd have to play some Wonderswan games that never got released in English to get Ken's full story. The spore is actually a fragment of a Digimon's data called Millenniummon. Though you're correct as Ken explained the dark spores aren't a threat as long as you don't let your negative emotions consume you.
when Millenniummon was defeated, he forced out pieces of his data in the form of Dark Spores. Ken pushed Ryo out of the way of the incoming Spores, and one of them embedded itself in the back of his neck. Wormmon and Ryo tended to Ken for three weeks until he was well enough to return to the Real World heres a fun fact Millenniummon is Kimeramon + Machinedramon so that means the digimon who makes kens darkness go deeper is the same monster he creates and before you say different kimeramon you would be wrong its stated this digimon is a monster ken as the emperor makes and was not a digimon on his own so yeah theres a time paradox in this season not to mention they inculde ryo from tamers.
Yep. Though Ryo isn't from Tamers, he's from the Adventures universe. In his final game Ryo is given a choice and he chooses to leave to the Tamer's universe with cyberdramon which is a combination of a monodramon that was helping him and zeedmillenniummon.
yeah worded that wrong meant to say the same Ryo that goes to the tamer's universe lol. i was replying just as I was off from work lol. cyberdramon has zeedmillenniummon's data combined with his own and later on when he and Ryo biomerg Ryo and monodramon's kind nature completely subdues the evil. looking back now on old tamers episodes with Ryo in them that was the perfect universe to go to I mean destroying Digimon absorbing the data and becoming stronger while the more you fight the more in sync with your Digimon you are. let's be honest there were so many virus-type Digimon that showed up. cyberdramon would have been in heaven lol
One of the other problems for 02 is that the main reason Ken is evil is tied to a story that is exclusive to Japanese games. We get small flashbacks of Ken & Ryo's fight against Millenniummon, a Digimon who's origins is a paradox due to being tied to the Digimon Ken created, Kimeramon. 02 is one of my favorites due to utilizing my favorite Digivolution method of DNA Digivolution. While Our War Games introduced it with Omegamon, 02 fully utilized it Paildramon, Sylphimon, and Shakkoumon
Ok after 9:00 i finally understand why the show just got weird after ken's story, so that's the reason, very interresting. 10:11 only now i realize that it was an Dracomon lol. At that time i trully thought that it really was chutullu himself XD PS: i disagree for T.K. being a leader. T.K. is too passive for a leader. Davis in contrary is a born leader, he may be incompetent at first, but that's normal, everyone begins with nothing. T.K. would have been a much better counselor(advisor) to Davis than a leader. And davis didn't had the googles, he got the googles.
You know? This season was actually my favorite season. And my favorite Digi destined was Ken. And he was the main reason why I keep staying tuned because of how interesting of a character he is. Also I was a little girl at the time and I had the biggest crush on him. So yeah, he was pretty important to me at the time.
I’ll never get over how TK and especially Kari were shafted from the spotlight. It made perfect sense narratively, and it would be dope to see the 2 younger siblings of the original 2 leads step up and show how much they’ve grown up
They're closest thing any other fictional characters treated like Ash Ketchum being forever 10 year old
How we’re they shafted? They were both given just as much spotlight as the rest of the cast(well expect maybe in comparison to ken)
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They're very sidelined compared to the new trio, and with the exception of when they fought Tyrannomon (EP03) and the Meramon (EP09), respectively, they didn't have many impressive victories. Most of their function is also just to create a love triangle with Davis. Here is also them individually:
- TK really only has one moment of glory, and that's when he confronts Ken/Digimon Emperor, and the entire Patamon-line is so underutilized because the writers are afraid that they will become OP, so they constantly find excuses to not let Patamon digivolve to Angemon or MagnaAngemon. Pegasusmon is mostly used for flight rather than battle. Shakkoumon was introduced incredibly late and has only ONE victory (MarineDevimon).
- Kari has ONE episode dedicated to her (EP13), and is otherwise just there or is a damsel in distress. Angewomon is virtually never seen and has only ONE victory (against a random Airdramon in episode 13), and Nefertimon, like Pegasusmon, is mostly used for flight. Silphymon is slightly more used than Shakkoumon, but still not as much as Paildramon and Imperialdramon.
Compare this to the new trio who had several episodes dedicated to their respective armor digivolutions, one episode each dedicated to their champion forms, and all have somewhat of an inner conflict. And as soon as Paildramon and later Imperialdramon are introduced, only Davis and Ken have some real presence and development in the story
I feel like they knew that TK and Kari had to be nerfed somehow and I hate it
Home videos!?@?
I remember loving Ken's redemption.. I cried so much as a child.
It's up there with Zuko for one of the best handled redemption arcs I've ever seen.
I fully agree with you. Out of all the new digi-destined, Ken was the only one that stood out and his character development and redemption arc was well done.
@@MadameTamma agreed.
@@D3Z112 yup!
Kylo + Ren = Ken
I hated how they made Gatomon pretty much useless despite the fact she's a champion level
my mind was blown when i found out angemon and angewomon were not the same level
Eh she lost her holy ring, I'd buy that'd weaken a digimon of her type. Sides it just dropped her to rookie level.
Way too go from champion+ level (considering it crushed the parties champion level digimon on its own) to rookie level with the loss of its ring...
I also really hate her english dub voice. It didn't hit me how terrible her dub voice is until I started binge watcing 02.
Well she got back to full power when she got back her ring, the one who was done dirty is actually Takeru's Angemon, he went from being able to go against lower perfects easily and fucking *_eating_* Piemon as Holyangemon, to needing help from ankylomon of all Digimon, to do anything relevant...
I think the Dark Ocean arc was dropped because it was directly inspired by lovecraftian horror and I can understand that they didn't want to go in that direction, especially how it was hinted that Dagomon or his minions wanted to mate with Kari. Yikes. If you know anything about Dagon you know what I am talking about.
and yet despite not wanting to go that direction, digimon tri is swimming in it. The bad guy even goes for the "if you stare into the void it stares back at you" line.
Mate?! Excuse moi?! Le Fucc?!
@@ChoaiDode Dragomon is based on Dagon who is a god of fertility.......so yeah.
@@nenshoufox ok...
@@vindoodles7346 3rd time has to be the charm one thing tri did perfectly was lore so much plotlines that instead of getting rushed would get a proper conclusion
Still pissed off about Daemon and Dark Ocean dropped plot points. And still REALLY pissed TK didn't become leader. It made no logical sense to make a new guy a leader.
Well hey Davis could've been a good leader too, he has Goggles. Anyway, I do agree with you about Dragomon I always asked what happened to that episode when Kari and TK were fighting on that beach and Daemon popped out at the end.
I'm pissed off that you use the wrong names :D
I got so confused and had no idea who the hell you were talking about until I remember I watched this all in Japanese.
Sub is better than dub just saying
T.K wouldn't have been a good leader. He was too hesitant and calculating like Matt. Davis may have his flaws but the teams would've been fucked without him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: 02's biggest problem by far was just how much potential it wasted. It could have been a fantastic Digimon series, possibly even as good as Tamers, if they had bothered to fully capitalize on some of the ideas that they had presented.
There were a lot of really interesting things about 02 that made it stand out, including:
Having Ken as a villain who's not only human but is also another kid in school, who could thus easily infiltrate the heroes' mundane, real-world lives.
Having Oikawa as another human villain whose entire motive centers around fulfilling a dream he shared with Cody's deceased father, and who consequentially has to choose between fulfilling his ambition and putting his best friend's son in danger.
Having both human villains being much more sympathetic than any of the main villains in Adventure.
Introducing the concept of a global Digi-destined, establishing literally an entire world of possible adventures.
BlackWarGreymon, another sympathetic villain whose very existence questions if Digimon born from evil must remain evil.
Damn near everything about the Dark Ocean in episode 13.
The brief hint that beneath Kari's selflessness and compassion lie some pretty deep insecurities.
The slightly less brief hint that T.K.'s righteous anger could lead him to some very dark places if taken too far.
All of these things are ideas which, if they were more properly developed, could have led Adventure 02 to become a compelling series that not only subvert the tone and expectations of the original Digimon Adventure, but also deconstruct some of the fundamental premises of the series.
But instead we got a series that lost momentum after the Digimon Emperor arc and rapidly descended into an aimless clusterfuck. By the last two episodes
I've never thought about Kari's selflessness being connected to insecurities but damn that sounds really good in theory. I guess thats the problem with having two directors constantly butting heads and ultimately leading to 02's mess.
I would have liked if Takeru went through an arc where he lost hope--and Patamon consequently lost his ability to digivolve. I would have liked if that was ever made a possibility for anyone, really. It could have caused some deep dramatic arcs.
@@patty1418 Tri should had explored her goddamn insecurities and her obsession with her Taichi (yeah, she's brocon as fuck) since 02 failed to do so. (was hoping the dark ocean "mini" arc would be her arc since she didn't really have it in Adventure as well-- her arc in Adventure was coupled with another Taichi arc.)
Also literally most adventure staffs shipped Taichi and Hikari, and Hosoda interview on eps 21 was hilarious when telling Hikari saw Koromon as Taichi's mistress and wanted to make a peace with it so her older brother wouldn't leave her alone.
Pretty deep insecurities? Did the dub skip past that or do I just not remember that. I’ll get to the subbed version after I finish Adventure and I’m only on I think Izzy’s Ultimate/Perfect evolution?
That episode pisses me off because the message to Tai is completely different regardless of the language considering in the “Tai and home” episode, KOUSHIRO CONTACTS TAICHI with a headset on and he’s right in front of the webcam or whatever, and in the episode in question he’s just floating there and TAI CALLS IZZY.
Makes no fucking sense. And yes, I did use all the names.
And having to pay attention to the screen at all times makes me realize how terrible the show looks.
Kyoka Jiro I fucking love you.
Sorry, but you forgot Blackwargreymon😢
He was one of the most interesting characters of the second season.
Ya, I was a bit bummed out that he didn't at least mentioned him.
Blackwargreymon's japanese voice actor is even one of my favourites
He literally lost his voice once because he keep repeating the scene where he screams the final attack in a show over and over until he liked it
He is also Viral in Gurren Lagann
He really wasn't. Like a lot of aspects of 02 in general he had potential but went no where in the grand schemes.
His introduction arc with those stones (I forget what they're called) was really forgettable and didn't serve any purpose. The only thing that happened was introducing the Ultimate lv Digimon and that's really it. And him sacrificing himself to seal the portal was pointless because everyone got to the Digital World anyway. If you were to cut him out nothing would have changed that much.
Niggamon
9:05 he mentioned him
Daemon
Fighter of the Nightmon
You win the internet. You win
Was waiting for someone to say it
Champion of the Sunmon
Ah Ah Ahhhh
You're a master of karate and friendship
For everyone
Champion of the Digital WORLD!!!
Hahahahahhaa!!
Wormmon going from a total pushover to a complete badass was the highlight of this season for me as a kid.
Stingmon is pretty badass!
Even that name is cool! STINGMON!!!
"Cause why have a complex character, when magic" The big sin of stories
Wasn't the "magic" only the thing that made Ken genius? I mean, it makes no sense that he suddenly became genius after his brother died and then reverted back to being a normal kid after he stopped being the Digimon Kaiser. No matter how much character development he has... this cannot be explained in any other way than magic. And I totally buy it.
Shadow Hedgehog Or if the writing didn’t blow, he could have just always have been a genius, they leave out the stupid dark spore BS, and Ken just had a redemption arc where he grows as a character. Or just drop the genius thing entirely, what does it actually add to the story?
Ken was corrupted by Dark Ocean and became a genius. Dark ocean has the power to distort natural order of things.
Let me explain about the "evil spore" That spore is from a digimon called Milleniummon. Basically a fusion between Chimeramon and Machindramon. And Chimeramon being the Digimon Ken created, its almost like Milleniummon was using Ken as a puppet to resurrect himself.
i agree they should have made millenniummon as the main villain
Or causing a loop that leads to his "creation" pretty much.
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@@zubu1239 .....how would they beat it.........i am not even sur omegamon mercifull mode could stop that thing
@@nightshroud9671 i mean it all powerfull so no surpris
I think you were a little too dismissive about the spores being magic. I had always seen it as a symbolic look at evil. Basically the spores required a certain darkness to be present in order for it to grow. And by the time it blooms it is too late because it was noticed in time. This is not so much magic as it is real life. We always have seeds of evil being planted into us but it is the way that we deal with life which decides if that evil grows or not.
That's a good way to look at it
deep, man.
Yeah, I have to agree with that. Even at the end they say the kids still have the dark spore inside them, but it's harmless unless they give it fertile soil to grow in (so to speak). It is easy to see it as "the devil made me do it" scenario, but I think in reality it's more of a "power corrupts" thing going on.
the Spores give "intelligence" and make people emotionless. It seems like a metaphor for drugs such as Ritalin
@@yani-madara2835 Drugs are certainly one of several ways to control people. I'm not sure if it makes them emotionless in the case of the spores though. Ken was bitter and resentful. And several of the children they showed with the spores became easily agitated with their parents. That doesn't seem emotionless to me.
Digimon:
I grew, they grew.
Pokemon:
He’s ten, I’m 24.
He's 11 now, after like.. 20 years....... *yikes*
About time he ages
that’s why pokémon sucks
@@_phong.huynh_ Ash is a sayan
We grew in the digital world and he grew in the normal world that's why we grew faster
Ken was not evil because of the spore, those only enhanced the darkness in him and, in fact, would have remained dormant forever if said darkness didn't arise and nourish them.
So basically made him evil it turned his guilt into evil
So basically that spore turned his sadness into him being evil by making the darkness inside him bigger...that mean the spore did made him evil...
that's at least how you described it
@@husariuspl117 Nope, when a loved one dies you're not just sad, you feel an array of emotions, some of those are guilt, anger, envy and frustration, those negative ones made the spore grow which in turn exacerbated the worst side of him, people's minds aren't just black or white.
@@alfiobonanno5100 You know "sadness" doesn't only means "sad"? It literally means "an emotional pain", sorrow, despair, loss etc.
@@husariuspl117 you do realize your response is an oxymoron yes? How is sadness non just being sad? It's literally the state of being sad. And just because it implies other things in conjunction with it, the feelings I cited before are distinct, so your point is moot.
I remember being veeeery satisfied with the concept of the second season as an Digimon obsessed child 💕
They kept what I liked and evolved the plot in an logical way. It feels more real for a kid that the digital world is like a "game" you can play after school than being trapped in it and is a logical consequence that Ken doesn't take it serious and becomes the emperor. I loved to see how the kids from the first season became teenagers and the "around the world" - part.
I also really liked the combined transformations.
i still am.... and tbh it's my kinda digiworld
The whole thing with the dark spores is actually meant to be a tie in that directly connects the story of 02 with the digimon wonderswan games, with the dying Machinedramon from adventure jogressing through time and space with the dying Kimeramon from 02, creating Millenniumon which ends up being the origin of the dark spores (we actually see this happen in 02 in a brief flashback). This whole plot point underlines most of the anime, as it is hinted that Millenniumon was also the cause of Apocalymon from adventure, and thus he essentially bootstrap paradoxed himself into existence. Also by becoming Ryo's partner the games also connect Tamers into the mix, resulting in a weird timey-whimey crazy complicated but interesting mess of a story.
Too bad no one in the west even freaking knows what a wonderswan even is, SUCH A GREAT IDEA TO TIE THE ANIME TO GAMES ON A CONSOLE THAT NEVER LEFT JAPAN.
Thank for the info. Actually I live in the US, and own a Wonderswan color, and the very game you mention. Sadly though, I was never able to finish it, as I'm not currently fluent by any means, in Japanese. So understanding made it tough. But it was actually a fun game.
Am I alone in wishing that the Wonderswan games would get an American release on a new console? Perhaps as something downloadable?
02 does such a bad job to show the whole Millniummon tie in...it showed Machinedramon for a litteral almost too black 3 seconds
Daniel Haras it actually showed Ryo alongside Millenniummon ( imgur.com/a/EXEfJpX ), not Machinedramon, but yeah, an undoubtedly poor job. Just like everything else in 02, none of the plot threads in any of the arcs got quite nearly enough time to be fully explored or given enough development to be satisfying.
Pierah Ahhhh right...so unmemorable and badly made that I remembered it bad
It's really a shame that Millniumon was never made more prominent in the Anime, ZeedMillniummon is one of my favorite digimon
I just watched your reviews for the movie, 01, and 02 and I'm beginning to get the idea that you really enjoy the digirap for how often you play it
shhhhhhh
I love Veemon! He is my favorite Digimon. I loved the fusion digivolve and the armor digivolve. I also disagree, I thought Ken was really well done.
Everyone complaining This season would be better without the new cast.
Digimon tri does it.
Everyone asking: Where are they 0.2 cast?
🙈😂😂
Well... The 02 cast was seen dying on the first eps. So of course we are interested xD
I liked that they kept the 02 cast out of the Tri movies. I just simply HATED the way they went about doing it. The fact that the kids don't look into what why they're missing makes everyone look dumb and careless.
First, it's a mixed fandom... second, I think while people don't want the 02 cast, they want them removed properly... not in danger yet for some reason forgotten.
@@MadameTamma well we were not supposed to care about them, that's just how the writing is. And frankly, i was really happy that i don't have to care about them at all. I don't care about any exposition or wtf happened to them or whatever. They less screentime they got the happier i am.
The fact that Taichi finally points out that Daisuke and the others are in pods annoyed me so much because he could have tried to free them before Dark Gennai turned the life support off. If the teacher was able to use the computer to look for info, why didn't they just open the pods. The definitely weren't dead
I still really love 02 and the new digidestined. I do wish they got more character focus and allow them to grow as friends and as a team.
Ken’s character development was definitely my favorite part of 02. I cried when Wormon died... 😢
Same
Ken was the best part of the series. I also love Kari and TK!
0:47 This episode you show a clip of here changed EVERYTHING about the show. Before, it was a pretty run-of-the-mill "villain of the week" series. But that episode was so different and surreal, it put real stakes behind the characters' actions. It actually caused me to freak out when I first watched it, with how out of left field it was.
Side note: I only watched this series 2 years ago, when I was over 21, so there's no 'nostalgia goggles' here. The Japanese dub really helped, and had better quality all around.
I feel ya man. Also awesome that the animation was so good
I actually love how the motivation was so extremely simple and even selfless. It showed how good motivations can lead to great problems and also how plans can change and that not everything has to be a grand conspiracy. Villains can just think "Okay that failed so let's try this instead"
Kens redemption arc (without the stupid magic part at the end) was the best redemption arc I ever saw. Because he went home after everything and really had to understand what he did, then he went to the digiworld to meet his digimon while other digimons attacked him. He tried to help and was accpeted into the group but not everyone was forgiving. He had to talk with his parents, with his new friends and then there was the amazing scene were he saw himself getting tortured by digimons. It took time and a lot of work. Compare this for example to Loki who never had a redemption arc and just turned somehow more or less good without someone really adressing his crimes.
Zuko?
Beelzemon?
The magic part (The Dark Spores) wasn’t stupid.
"Characters are being used as a crutch fo lacking action" i wish that was a more recurring problem.
10:15 In the original japanese version, there wasn't any scaring music and narrator. Just was ocean ambient effects and no narrator.
Fernikart57
Frankly, the narrator ruins it for me.
Was that for the better or worse? Did that end up resolved properly in the Japanese dub?
O___0
@@SirBlackReeds Nope. Japanese dub reveals a bit more information and has less tacked on narration and shit, but alot of the unresolved plot-lines remain unresolved, or at least poorly resolved in the case of the Dark Ocean and Daemon thing.
This was my favorite season. I think them being older and the soundtrack won me over. That world tour arc was the most memorable part of my cartoon viewing childhood
Ken was what SAVED Digimon 02 as a season for me. I would have never liked this season half as much if Ken's arc wasn't a part of it. I related to him a lot on a personal level as someone who has always HATED THEMSELVES lmao I mean I never kicked puppies or enslaved digital creatures but I did relate to feeling like my life was worthless, which Ken DID in that one episode that I forget the name of bUT I DIGRESS. Ken wasn't just my favorite character in Digimon 02, he was my favorite character full stop. In the whole series. I just ... I love Ken man.
Cutest moment of the entire series is when Demi-Veemon wakes up Davis and says good morning to him.
My issue, I watched this before I watched Naruto. So when I hear Rock Lee, I just hear Davis. Lol
As a kid, I thought Ken activated the evil spore inside of him through his grief
HE DID
Pretty much
Honestly I do like Davis I didnt like the way the other characters treated him trough, Davis and Ken working together and dna digivolving makes sense, their good friends, and Davis was the only one of the team who forgave him first and tried befriending him first. sadly I cant say the same about Kari/Yolei and TK/Cody's friendships
TK and Cody felt so forced to me
They really needed to put as much effort into the other two yeah. The fact the other's were just sort of like "Okay yeah DNA now." kinda cheapens the graivtas paildramon's reveal had.
Kari/Yolei was kinda okay but it wasnt really about them as friends but more about Yolei slaping Kari out of her angst moment, Cody almost seemed worried that he couldnt dna digivolve with TK and it just felt like they could do it just because they were the only 2 left and because Cody wanted it badly
Davis and Ken are the best characters of the franchise. The build-up of their rivalry and later their friendship is insanely well-written compared to other season's characters.
Looking at you Tamers, especially your sidekicks.
I think that 02 just started badly and with it, Daisuke's (Davis') start. It felt really forced that Taichi (Tai) made that decision on his own like that. Hikari (Kari) and Takeru (TK) were both experienced with the Digital World, familiar with its battles and map, while Daisuke went there once. He had zero experience dealing with anything at that point. The way Taichi's leadership role works, is because he never appointed himself as one. During the first episodes, there was clear conflict about who calls the shots and the rivalry between Yamato (Matt) and him, the most vocal about it, made for a really interesting group dynamic.
Things would have been less forced down our throats if Hikari and Takeru led the group together for a while, but came to the conclusion through experience that they aren't cut out for it, but Daisuke is (Daisuke's great decision making input, or his courage to stride forward, pick something). That Daisuke's leadership reminds them a little of Taichi and while not completely the same, how they need someone like him to step forward in the group.
Would have appreciated him a whole lot more if he wasn't so damn incompetent the first half of the season. If no one takes his leadership seriously, what was the point in him leading in the first place.
I would have honestly loved if Daemon was the final villain, probably with a plotline related to the Dark Ocean. Maybe some of Devimon's data survived the fight with Angemon and instead of being reborn as a Digi-Egg, it found its way to the Dark Ocean, using the dimension's energy to grow stronger. It would have also explained why Kari got dragged into that dimension, as an attempt by Devimon/Daemon to get rid of one of the original Digidestined.
I was hella into the Digimon series growing up but more invested in Digimon Tamers (I loved the Digimon and the characters in that one) and Digimon Frontier (I like how the characters transform into their Digimon). Digimon 02 was fun but not as entertaining to me (although TK, Ken, and Davis were my favorites).
Haven't seen any of the other seasons after Frontier but Digimon has a special place in my heart
Well data squad is easily the third best season while less talked about fusion and tri the better.
Hey Trina, fancy seeing you here! Also i totally agree. Tamers is amazing and has a GREAT English dub.
You arnt missing much. Digimon Savers/Data Squad was a real mixed bag (sort of like 02 I guess), and Xros Wars/Fusion is just too long.
FINALLY someone who lieks Frontier's concept like I do! Seriously, I actually really liked that the humans directly turned into digimon to fight directly instead of just hanging back and letting their partners do everything. i was actually getting pretty annoyed with that in Mons shows and it was a good change of pace.
Frontier has flaws, granted, but the concept behind it isn't one.
Tamers is easily the better written season, every arc has a reason and transport to the next, and Frontier is cool because is lietrally an animated super sentai show, the whole second arc is really really weak tho.
Personally I think it would be really cool for 02 to get a remake with better animation and a more polished story. The characters have potential, but only Ken's potential was really explored (he's actually my favorite HUMAN character of the seasons I've seen, but Matt and TK are close seconds).
But that's just my opinion 😄
Just like tri there’s lots of plotpoints and tri mentions it so that’s great all they need to do is actually execute them also just realised 2 has crappy ideas but great executions the exact opposite of tri
I always interpreted the Dark Spores thing with Ken as simply amplifying his emotions to an extreme level that made him irrational and, for lack of a better word, evil, rather than it simply being the spores on their own, and as for Myotismon being the villain, I do have problems with it, but I can kinda understand it beyond a cash-grab, Myotismon did come back from the dead once as VenomMyotismon, I don't see why he couldn't do it again as MaloMyotismon, but I do feel like there should have been hints, either subtle or not-so subtle, that he was the final villain, as for the argument for Daemon being the final villain, I can kinda see it, but when Devimon is scanned, his body disintegrates, meaning he had to start over as a Digi-Egg and go all the way back up, and I don't see Devimon being able to go from his baby form to his Mega level form in the time between the reveal of Daemon and his death prior to Kimeramon's creation, perhaps back to Devimon maybe, but not to a higher level, and as for the Dark Ocean plot line, I am upset by it, as prior to playing Digimon World Dawn for the DS, I never knew who that digimon was, and it never showed up, despite how amazing of an antagonist Dracomon/Dragomon could've been if they'd done things right, for example, make him a digimon that was wrongfully sent to the Dark Ocean as a punishment, and went insane in the Dark Ocean, driving him to evil, or making him a once kind Digimon who fell into the Dark Ocean and was corrupted by it's inherent evil (because it's canonically the source of all Evil in the Digital World)
I dunno, honestly I loved 02. I mean, yeah it wasn't great. And the dropped plot points annoyed me (especially the Dark Ocean) but that doesn't mean 01 didnt have that either. Anyone remember numamon bowing to Kari calling her "Queen Kari?" Or the entity that takes over Kari that never gets explained. Or the fact that when Tai goes back and Kari knows Coromon, yes its referencing the movie but in that movie to my knowledge (and in the episode which references it) Kari was said to have actually visited the Digital World before..... Basically, a lot of dropped plot points deal with Kari lol my point being that it definitely had its flaws, and while I wasn't super attached to Yolei or Davis, I did love the others. TK and Kari became my favorite, Ken was a great addition, I loved Cody and all he represented, the digimon made me laugh and cry, and it was a rollercoaster of emotions. Maybe its nostalgia, or the idea that it had potential, but despite its flaws and jumbled nature I love it.
The jelly donuts thing gets me everytime
Tamers is literally the best series. It still holds up today.
I really like the call back to the events of the Original like Yolie taking part of Diaboramon from the film which is Canon, Davis, being on the sidelines during Myotismon battle and Cody being part of the plane incident when the digital world was being shown in the sky. The whole original digimon losing there ultimates didnt go away permanently because Azulongmon gave Gennei a light Orb that gave back the Original Digimon there Ultimates and Mega forms back including WarGraymon and Metal Garurumon, which they would use in Digimon Adventure Tri. I just really like the connection between the first 2 seasons, unlike the other seasons after it, they just goes off on there own thing. Honestly i do wish Tamers was set in the same universe as the Adventure series. Mostly because i think the first 3 seasons were just the best, Frontier was ok i kind of fell apart just trying to get into it but after that i just wasn't into it.
I hope one day they can have the Original 8 and 02 Characters join together into one big group, leave Tai in charge of leadership while putting Davis as second in command.
I think I loved Digimon 02 more than the others as a kid because of Flamedramon. I still think he's one of the coolest designs in the franchise. Stingmon too.
Edit: The Digimon Movie OST is legit the best movie soundtrack ever. I still listen to it occasionally. It's absolutely 100% nostalgia driving this opinion and I don't even care.
Flamedramon is really cool, but my favorite is Paildramon. The soundtrack that ties in perfectly with the evolution and the blast sounds.
Marco SCHWING yeah bro flamedramon should've just been guys real evolution, I can't even remember what veemons real evolution name is
@@Jam2tech its stingmon
Yeah, the dark spores don't really come out of nowhere. They're connected to the WonderSwan games and Ryo (who was in season 3, because Digimon apparently has a multiverse). Basically, when Ken was a kid and got his Crest, he went on an adventure with Ryo to fight Millenniummon. When Milleniummon died, it released the dark spores, setting off the events for Ken to become the Digimon Emperor.
The problem is that unless you had out side knowledge about the games the whole thing makes very little sense and it doesn't help that the games were never released outside Japan. Anytime a story requires you to know information not shown in the original is just bad writing.
kainhighwind2 then ken made kimeramon setting off a WHOLE FUCKING TIME PARADOX
Sadly it is way more complicated than that. Its one giant paradox that is terrible to explain. Your version just manages to make it sound less complex.
@@connorwood9211 the wonder swan games we’re immensely popular in Japan. Popular to the point that they added RYO to tamers. There are definitely problems with this season but the dark spore line was set up well and then executed poorly.
@@Aaaaaaaa-ix4rp No it wasn't. Any plot point that requires the viewer to do outside research and play expanded shit because the anime itself fails to provide context is a shitty plot point.
Ryo was added to Tamers to help promote the games. Not because there was fan demand he be added, and it only made Tamers worse as he came off as a blatant Mary Sue.
The thing I don't like about hearing people say " Pokemon clone" is that it makes it sound like pokemon did it first when Shin Megami Tensei came before then. You ally all sorts of monsters and fight alongside them.
EWOODJ Never knew that. Source please
EWOODJ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megami_Tensei
Digimon is not a clone of Pokemon anyways, they released less than a year apart. So it is impossible for them to be clones of each other at release.
They are so different anyways when people call it a clone they are just uneducated.
If anything Pokemon now is a clone with Mega evolution and all :)
"Allies"?
That's a funny way of spelling Fusion fodder and Mag parasite.
It's more annoying because Digimon and Pokemon are NOT the same. The only thing they have is "mon" at the end of their title but aside from that, both shows were vastly different from one another. Digimon had an actual plot that went somewhere with character growth and it actually ended the story for the main characters unlike Pokemon that just kept going with no actual development and even after all these years, Ash is still 10 years old lol
Pokemon had the better games (as far as accessibility goes) but Digimon, at least the first 2, maybe 3 seasons had the better plot.
Boy, I remember a time when Jetix was a thing. Digimon was among the shows that would pop on and I'd eagerly sit down and watch. ...I dearly miss those days when life was so simple.
Same
“THESE DONUTS ARE GREAT”
NOTHING BEATS A JELLY FILLED DONUT
Saban didn’t called them doughnuts.
Daisuke's courage help the team to defeat Malomyotismon when everyone was afraid and under the villain's spell. Also, he is the only one who went after Ken when the digimon attack his town when even tai was stopping him.
i LOVE Digimon 02, but I do admit it was a mess, from what I have read back in Japan there was a real creative battle going on as multiply directors worked on the season and all of them had their own idea what they wanted to do, in fact one director who later directs Tamers, and is known for Serial Experiment Lain had many ideas about the dark ocean in mind. But I still love it for what it is, but like 01 the series is stale at first but gets better in the second half
While I still appreciate the end result... I still wonder how much better it would have been if the two creative sources were more cooperative and helpful instead of conflicting
Man, Ken's storyline was so good though. I liked Davis too, but the rest of the characters got on my nerves to the extent it was hard to want to root for them.
It's funny that 02 was hands down my favorite as a kid. I loved the next generation feel and the way the original groups still factored in. Especially when the group returns to active combat for the final arc.
Today I have rewatched Adventure and Tamers. Adventure was good and Tamers was amazing but I honestly couldn't rewatch 02.
Holy shit you hit it spot on with how weird it felt seeing Davis throwing out the terminology so easily.
Loved the Digimon Emperor idea and how 02 used the idea of humans as flawed and susceptible to making mistakes and becoming villains. I don't recall it clearly but I loved how this tied into the corruption with the seeds at the end and the dark ocean (though that was never wrapped up in the dub at least).
I really want to rewatch 02 but it's just so cringey in the first few episodes it keeps me from the shining moments I know happened.
I've went back and rewatched a lot of the Digimon series over and over throughout the years, and I keep comign back to all of them - I absolutely love each season, even the hated Frontier. This one, nostalgia goggles probably on, is always my favorite, and I'm not quite sure why, I just absolutely love it - the armor digivolution is such a cool concept, and, I dunno, maybe I will go back and rewatch them all again to see if my opinion has changed, but this one is my top, then tamers for sure
i kinda liked frontier
Probably because the first episode and:
I like trains.... *sound of trains coming and horn followed by... asdfmovie2
And the ending is not just spectalur but the occult shit going around man oh fuckig man id love to see a sequel, and yeah i do prefer bio-digivolution over tunring themselves in digimon but i kinda did like it and it''s my otherkin thing
These doughnuts are great, jelly filled are my favorite. Nothing beats a jelly filled doughnuts
yeah man they're fantastic
Adventure 02 in retrospect is a very flawed season, I loved the idea of the story continuing with new digi destined taking the reigns with old cast acting as mentors and TK and Kari continuing on, the threat of a Human villain was different and interesting and I liked the idea of both worlds being at risk at the same time rather just one at time in the first season. Aside from Ken being the best addition and some good episodes here and there the season was clearly mishandled by the directors and it felt like a jumbled mess in the end, I still like it but not as much as the first season. Should really talk about Tamers next.
PrinceBalor Tamers sucks
KarnRulez you reckon? I mean it was a divisive season but I didnt think it sucked.
Yeah, 02's only real strong points were Oikawa and especially Ken. All the villains, really. The Dark Ocean and Daemon had so much potential and the episodes focusing on them were so strong. At least we got Tamers right afterwards (and Tamers' writer was the one who made the Dark Ocean and Daemon, so thank him for giving 02 amazing material that it completly wasted), but 02 is so awful it's hard to reccommend to anyone beyond the Digimon Emperor arc.
I remember watching 02 when I was a kid and thinking that a lot of stuff after the Digimon Emperor arc made no sense.
Because it sorta didn't. Until Oikawa came into the scene, every new plot point introduced after the Digimon Emperor arc, outside of Ken's redemption, seemed like the writers were just buying time until they found out what they wanted to do next. It was pretty much all filler, which is really obvious when you realise that the villains either had no concrete goals, like BlackWarGreymon, who was a pathethic attempt at trying to be deep, wild Digimon like in the wretched world tour episodes, or Arukenimon, whose goal completly contradicts what we learn about her later (why the fuck are you destroying the Digital World when Oikawa made you so you could help him enter it?) and has no motivation beyond "I'm evil".
The only villain in 02 who had any semblance of a definable goal was MaloMyotismon, arguably. Oikawa was just "Possessed" like Ken was. The "World Tour" episodes were horrifically bad, and I think that BlackWarGreymon was an attempt at having a "complex" villain but it didn't take. Hell, Yamaki and Beelzemon in Tamers respectively are better versions of BlackWarGreymon. Adventure 02 could have never happened and nobody would have noticed.
No, Oikawa had a goal: to reach the Digital World. Myotismon's influence took away any semblance of morality he had in order to complete that objective, but Oikawa had been trying to get there his entire life, so it can't be said that his goal was ill-defined or that he had none at all.
But yes, 02 was an unecessary mistake and Tri essentially acting like it never happened, except for evil Genai using a Digimon Emperor disguise because Ken is amazing, shows that wonderfully.
My problem with Oikawa is that he didn't have any agency/free will/whatever after coming in contact with Malomyotismon, even if he had a set objective/goal. Yamaki and Kurata were both better in their respective seasons, but for different reasons. (Yamaki was doing the right thing but not necessarily using the right methods and Kurata was a fucking sociopath.)
Ken was the best character in 02, but even he had to play second fiddle for the vastly undeserving Davis.
I liked 02. It was definitely the weakest of the first 3 seasons, but despite its wasted potential in some parts, I feel like there were a lot of really good moments.
“And Yolei well I like Yolei she’s fun” I don’t know why I thought that was funny.
Well he ain't wrong
I remember crying when digimon adventures was finished and a new season with new characters would begin. But then i saw that it was still with the old cast as well. So it made me happy and i really liked it.
I remember oe person saying something really true about Ken, He's the green ranger of digimon. Interesting when he's a villain, bland as toast once he turns good.
No lies detected
That's very true
Idk, I thought he had more complexity when he went good.
He was still a good character when good and made davis actually likable when they become friends.
Ken still grew when he was good. Tommy was just generic sentimental badass who gets every pink Ranger cause sentimental and badass - but really cause appealing to tweens.
Does anyone here like Digimon Frontier? It wasn't the most popular series but I really liked it
It is completely different (basically the lack of "digimon partners").
I really liked it because I never compared it with the other digimon series; but with other "pure fantasy" series [with zero science and full magic].
-> Is the polar opposite of Tamers, and good in its own way.
It had better villains and characters than Tamers, that's for sure.
Imo, Savers is still better though.
Out of all the Digimon seasons, Frontier was and will always remain my absolute favorite. I just loved the concept of the kids in the show actually getting the chance to kick some ass for a change instead of just standing around and cheering on their partner Digimon.
Henry Rogers i liked all of the first four seasons afyer that its meh
Frontier had a great concept and some of the best designs. When it comes to characters, I feel like Takuya, Koji and Koichi (were these names changed in the english version?) were the only ones getting any real attention, which isn't good when you are at an all time low for main characters. The other series divided screentime more equally.
I felt the story moved kind of slow, but wasn't bad until the Royal Knights showed up to kill any momentum left. The plot makes absolutely no progress in those 10 episodes: they are somewhere, the Royal Knights show up, they fight the Royal Knights and lose, a part of the world gets deleted, rinse and repeat.
I hate to see this much potential wasted; the series could've been really great, maybe even as great as I remembered it from my childhood. Tamers on the other hand reached my high expectations, and Savers even exceeded my (much lower) expectations for it.
So yeah, Frontier isn't that bad, but it isn't one of the good seasons.
Fun Fact: Another thing about the director's fight... 02 was supposed to have 64 episodes in all, not 50.
Then maybe there is an alternate universe were the 14 missing episodes covers the "Dark Ocean" storyline and flesh out better what the deal was with Deemon...
Adventure 01 is my favorite and Tamers a close second but holy shit did Adventure 02 have my favorite episode. Episode 23 was unexpected and it being in a series that is kinda to me a simple watch to get over, it was seriously mind blowing. It was the episode where Ken was recalling his past. The narrative, his brother, his inferiority complex, his parents, the bubbles everything just worked and I felt it was extremely powerful.
Ironically, i can only remember 2 things from this show. "V headbutt!" and "ugh, stray hairs. Hwaaa!"
I loved 02 as a kid and it still holds a big chunk of my heart. TK was always my favorite character and I agree that he really was the most qualified to be the leader of the team for 02. Could have developed him from the shy, mild-mannered boy that he was into a strong leader because he already knew his stuff. He saw Tai as an older brother when Matt wasn't around and he learned a ton from him.
Creative Director: "...but TK doesn't wear goggles."
I can't believe it either. The only thing Davis had on TK was that he was sheer excitement/enthusiasm.
@@finris1They could have just had Takeru (or Hikari, since she and Gatomon function as part of the Sixth Ranger trope in _Digimon Adventure_ and _Power Rangers Zeo_ establishes that a Sixth Ranger becoming the leader is a good idea; in addition, she also has blood relation to Taichi; the reason why I used the JP names for the humans, but not the Digimon in question is because 1) the original producers are the problem, not Saban, and 2) the name Tailmon sucks) get some goggles if they're going to make that a pre-requisite for being the main-est character.
"The show greatest villan...
THE DIGIRAP"
NO, THE DIGIRAP, NOOOOO xD
I'm muting my TV Everytime I hear this ending
ken was the only reason i watched o2. i loved his character and how deep it was for the first half of the anime
He was really good in the 2nd
Holy shit "Thor-turtle-JamieHynemanMon" killed me!
Ken ranks high on my list of 'favorite anime characters of all time', it's just sad that the other characters didn't get as much development as he did, as you mentioned. The story really got to know him on a very personal level, while everyone else had about as much depth as a puddle. It would've been nice to see the story take the time to explore everyone else in as much detail.
One: Yeah, the algorithm is wonky.
Two: Digimon 02 is a fantastic series people hate on because they can't accept change. Davis in particular is one of the best leaders that's hated on because he never had a 'I done goofed moment' the other leaders did.
Three: Digimon Tri retcons this in a horrible way. First off, the writers kill off the 02 characters, minus Ken because they wanted Imperialdramon in their show just to beat him down with Original Digidestined Mega Forms. Then proceed to NEVER MENTION DAVIS, VEEMON, YOLEI, HAWKMON, CODY, ARMADILLOMON, OR WORMMON EVER AGAIN!!!!! They even bring in a new character and Digimon, but never mention the others because the writers hate them... with a passion. Sure, they "mention" Digidestined disappearing from around the world, but do they even check in with the other members of their team?? Nope. And you can't say 02 didn't happen, because Kari and TK still have their D3s, even though they don't Armor Digivolve anymore.
Four: What's different is that because Time has fixed itself (see the finale of the original Adventure), the gang can't stay overnight to continuously deal with the problem of the Digital World. They have responsibilities and lives. Sure, they were stuck in the first one, but only 10 minutes had passed since they left once all of them get back. And Tai got back like 5-8 minutes sooner and introduced us to Kari as the Eighth Digidestined (way to keep suspense since during the Myotismon arc when we're waiting for the other shoe to drop and people realize it's Kari). Beyond the danger of 'dying', it kinda would have felt in poor taste if a human, one of the main characters at that, actually died in the Digital World. But in 02, they can't stay in the Digital World to fix the problem in one go, because time is stabilized between Human and Digital World, they are gone in REAL time. Parents would be worried, Police and other Authorities would be involved, so they have to live a that double life in order to actually do their job without interference from the wrong people.
Five: Ken's mind may have been influenced by the Dark Spore, but that doesn't mean he wasn't on that path in the first place. The loss of his brother was a source for it to feed off of, magnifying that pain. When people are in a bad place, they start to feel darker parts of themselves coming into focus, and without a different influence to counteract it, they tend to fall into that Darkness. But it's still a kids show, so there needs to be an explanation why he went so far, and another villain to be unredeemable so Ken is more empathic by comparison.
Six: Dragomon actually digivolves into Daemon, even though Daemon is a Demon Lord and that's something totally different, but the point is that Daemon is the next form. Yes he's defeated by being send to the Dark Ocean, but it's implied that the Digidestined are going to have to face him sometime after MaloMyotismon and before that 20-year later shit.
Six: While it's true that TK should have been leader, it wouldn't have the same outcome. Davis, like Tai, needed to be the leader for those crucial moments that TK, like Matt, wouldn't be able to make the hard decisions that ended up winning the day.
Seven: The Digi-rap makes me laugh... because of how bad it is in retrospect.
In conclusion: The show is pretty cool, but not perfect. English Dub had a humor focus when there are times when it was unneeded, but again... Kids Show. Davis is hated because he never had a 'I done goof' moment and isn't praised when he takes a risk that pays off and saves the day. All in all, it wonky, silly, awesome, deep, and altogether an amalgamation good and bad that make it stands out from its predecessor.
Great video man. Glad to hear positive things about it from another person for a change.
RedDragonForce2 nah, Davis isn't a good leader, in fact he never leads. It's the other kids who decide over what to do and Davis just goes along with it. It felt more like they allow him to think that he's their leader to feed his ego. And no, he's not better in the JP version, his dialogue is mostly the same. In fact the creators admitted that Daisuke never grows and was specifically created to be a static character. Hence why 02 evolutions don't require any growth.
Many people gave 02 a chance but it just kept disappointing people.
Bright Light
You're talking out of your ass. Never leading? Never growing as a character?
Oh excuse me, I thought that Davis was the only one that actually had the courage and compassion to befriend Ken when he was still at a low point in his life and everyone else basically wanted him dead.
If you honestly think that any other character development/interaction of the franchise comes even close, I honestly don't know what to tell you, besides open your eyes.
The only real negative about Davis was his crush on Kari and how they emphasized it. And from what I remember, the dub was dramatically over-emphasizing on this compared to the original material.
Takato as in Tamers Takato, or misspelled Takeru?? One I take offense with, because Takato is a newbie learning on his own, while Davis technically has Tai for a mentor. Takeru... calling him trash is demeaning, but honestly, I can't find fault host because he's been a Digidestined longer.
Dr. Florence Its the truth besides saying "Let's go!" Daisuke never acts as the leader of the group. And it isn't just the American version either, it's there in the JP version as well and perhaps even more true over there. For instance, the ones who really convinced the team to give Ken a second chance wasn't Daisuke but Takeru, Hikari and the older kids. In fact it's actually Hikari who brings up the idea of Ken joining in the first place. And then there one who brought Ken into the team was actually Miyako. Daisuke didn't convince them of anything, and really only made the situation worse. They weren't even against the idea of Ken joining they just felt that both sides needed time, a fact that Daisuke couldn't understand. In fact, the whole reason why Daisuke even forgave Ken at all was because of the crest of kindness literally telling Daisuke that Ken was a good person (Daisuke outright admits to this this so its not an opinion it's a fact).
In fact pay attention to scenes where the characters are deciding on their next plan of action, you'll notice that Daisuke more often than not stands away from the group. And often not saying anything at all.
And yes, he doesn't grow as a character the creators admitted to it, again it's a fact not an opinion.
Bright Light wow, way to a dick to a good character!! “It’s not opinion, it’s fact” like the fact that you are lying. Davis is a good character, and you hating on him is just making yourself look stupid.
Whenever I click on your videos and hear the AIM sounds I instinctively think I have a message despite not using AIM in about 10 years
Man. Aim. Those were the days! Aim me miltiano lol
My nostalgia melted my heart when that intro played. I absolutely loved Digimon 1 and 02.
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I'm not so sure. I think it really added a lot that they had to call on Ken every time they encountered a ultimate level digimon yet they didn't know rather they could trust him or not. I think it makes things a lot more interesting to have to rely on someone you can't entirely trust.
Digimon 02 is my favorite. It's so dark and deep with amazing character development. I hate that it gets no love. Ken is my baby.
Also Billiam , Digimon Tri didnt ignore the Digimon 02 stuff because the fans or characters didnt care.(in fact a lot of people have complained about it, esp in Japan) its marketing, since there already working on a new Digimon Tri project involving the 02 kids
Will Digimon Tri actually involve the 02 kids? I heard they were getting killed off because of the negative reception that series got but if they'll actually bring them back for this new one, I'll be interested in the new direction
There are more fans asking about the 02 kids then there are people liking Megumi,
Honestly Tri kind of trolled 02 in form of Imperialdramon getting curbstomped and killed while the 01 gang did not give a crap that they just killed one of their friend's Digimon like that(stings more that they felt awful in killing Miecoomon though)
And how the Digimon Kaiser we saw is just an imposter, definitely a middle finger to Kaiser fans honestly.
Tri was a big mistake.
Tbqh when TK and Ken fought that gave me my 7 year old life. I LOVED it so much
To be fair, the spore does have some lore behind it in the Digimon Anode and Cathode tamer games which are semi-cannon and you play as Ken and Ryo Akiyama where they fight against Millenniummon and that's who infects Ken and compels him to make kimeramon who digivolves to millenniummon
I always thought the second season was just about as good as the first.I can't believe Billiam didn't talk about Mummymon and Arukenimon.They were the most memorable villians to me aside from the Emperor.
Someone should really tell Mummymon what spiders do to their mates.
They were like Digimon Jesse and James
Cthulhu rising out of the water with that epic dramatic ending sequence and the "to be continued" is one scary ass ending.
You should talk about medabots
erbrown115 god I remember that show...... and I remember it ended on a cliff hanger because Fox Kids was shut down and replaced by the Fox Box and later 4Kids TV
erbrown115 Yass
You mean the kickass show with awesome robots, cool fights, weird characters interactions and an ending that came out of nowhere? Yes please.
Shea McGladdery it was years later that I learned the big plot twist, wish I could've seen the dub of the reveal.
I didn't think people remembered Medabots. What's next, people who remember Fighting Foodons?
Talk about Tamers next. It’s the best Digimon series
Prideful Master Tamers was my childhood! I remember watching the entire series on Jetix when that network was still alive.
Adventure, Tamers and Savers are the absolute best
I wasn't really a fan of tamers
The first four seasons of Digimon will forever be classics, but ain't nothing fucking with Tamers.
I wouldn't say it's the best.... In my opinion, I believe the original series was the best. You can't beat the first season. Tamers comes close, but there are a few issues with Tamers, I noticed while rewatching it in Both English and Japanese. But still. I still love it.
Edit: I will say this though! Tamers is better then most of the others series. 02, frontier, Data Squad.... God kill me, Data squad.... This is all opinion though soooo.
1. Digimon Adventure (Best)
2. Tamers
3. Frontier
4. 02
5 Data Squad. (Worst)
Personally Ken is one of my favorite Digimon characters overall, then again if Digimon had a good character type it was the reformed villain. Impmon did that in Season 3, Koichi did that in Season 4, Keenan did that in Season 5... though id put Ken and Impmon above the other two.
You MAY argue that the "role" of redeemed character on Adventure was Gatomon/Tailmon (starting as the "Dragon" of the very evil "Big Bad"); but since she never did anything worse than knocking out other characters in a fair fight; all the "evil acts" she may have done were always offscreen.
-> She did try to outright assassinate Kari from behind, but she could not do it because of some subconcious instinct keeping from annihilating herself in the process [given the fact that they were soul_bonded (or something like that) from the very begining].
Yeah she wasn't a villain for too long and at that she was a lackey at best. Ken was the big bad for the first half of 02 and Impmon worked on his own until he wanted more power and then both regretted it in the end, whereas Gatomon had no consequences to suffer as she didn't do anything serious in the first place.
I always thought Ken was well developed since he went through so much and that redemption Arc helped to understand his motives. But I was never a fan of the second part, I only liked that Kari and TK were older.
that 'run around' song fucking sucker punched me with nostalgia. XD
Tamers is the best in my opinion. I'm not saying it's all bad (the villains and world-building in particular are pretty great) but I have A LOT of problems with 02.
Awsamazing Eden yesss i agreee... 02 not really great and not really that bad
Awsamazing Eden Tamer had Beelzbubmon, nuf said.
well Eden... yeah the pace nearly ruined it for me. I loved how they changed kids but the pace is pretty bad.
and the worst is fusion in my opinion, the other series knows how to end, that one does not (from what I have heard)
well Eden... yeah the pace nearly ruined it for me. I loved how they changed kids but the pace is pretty bad.
and the worst is fusion in my opinion, the other series knows how to end, that one does not (from what I have heard)
Awsamazing Eden Tamers is one of the worst imo
I hope you'll do every single series from 01 to Appmon to Tri
I don't know how this dude can say that their future jobs are out of character though... they're all like 10-12. Their characters have a lot of room to grow
Rafithesky X I probably won’t do Xros Wars or Appmon, because I’ve never seen them, but I’ll do Tri for sure
You should watch Appmon, it gets really good
BigJinfinity I don't like Appmon fillers tho
what about fusion?
You are wrong. The evil spore does not directly control people, the person's evil side makes it more powerful. So in a sense it increases his chances of staying evil but in reality this evil has an origin in himself, not the spore. Reason why the evil spore was never removed from Ken. He achieved a perfect symbiosis with it or whatever. And he still can use it's powers but he choses not to. The dark spore makes people smarter and more focused in their personal objectives, making friendship unnecessary. In order to use it's powers the person has to stay in an evil state of mind which is something everybody has. Reason why there are several other kids that have this dark spore and unlike Ken, these kids made the choice to get it.
Trenzinho da Alegria that Lambian guy spreads alot of fake facts around Season 2. I dunno if that guy watched the japanese version completly zo compare the MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN DIALOGUE INFORMATION but holy cow, I never facepalmed that much during a Digimon review of anything because of the sh*t he's trying to make sense of!
And I know about the flaws too, I got plenty of critic for this season/series/show alone, but the reasons he presented someimes didn't make any sense!
I think he was corruped by darkness when he got depressed and angry and hating when his brother died, which fed the spore and corupted him. Its his dark side that everyone has when you push them enough. If the spore would have controlled him he wouldnt be so desperate to redeem himself.
For a long ass time growing up I couldn't tell the first and second Digimon apart. I loved them both growing up so much so that they became one thing for me. Only looking back as an adult I realized they were two totally different parts of the franchise.
I can not for the life of me which one I loved more.
Man how I missed those days... loved digimon 02 and Veemon was my favorite
This season was a big hot mess, it reminded me of those cartoons in the 80's where they just made characters to make toys based on them.
But it was such a guilty pleasure.
Mae Dominguez agreed. But thank God that they kept Jeff Nimoy and Bob Busholtz as the dub writers and directors. And they kept the original cast, as well as using 4 previous VAs for the new cast. I can actually list them.
Biyomon voiced yolei
Mimi voiced Cody
Leomon voiced wormmon
And demidevimon voice Ken and veemon
Same!
The music was infectious lol
It's worthy of enjoyment. Nothing to feel guilty about that. Xros's English dub on the other hand...
I disagree, they hve some heavy stuff in the earlier seasons, like kens breking bad phase because o his grief, and katis dark moments, and kens redemption arc. Overall its fairly pschological interesting.
I hear what you're saying and understand that 02 shouldn't be as good as the original... But Davis is best boy and Vee is best Mon...
Word. Imperialdramon is good shit.
Wow he kicked a puppy? I don’t see that in the Netflix and Crunchyroll version. Or maybe the entire dub
it's funny that to me it's my favorite one. I really saw it has the "continuation" of the first series. and the arcs were so great , that made me really like 02.
...really not gonna mention black wargreymon once... i mean i get u kinda "disliked it" but there were a bunch of good storylines u didn't even mention.
02 is my favorite season just because of the Digimon Emperor. I know Tamers is better. I still love Adventure. But Ken Ichijouji is one of my favorite characters of all time. Even as a kid, I came up with all sorts of excuses as to why the Dark Spore wasn't the real cause of him being evil. Because I preferred him being complex.
Just finished watching Tri so this video is perfectly timed to satisfy my digi-cravings!
Would love for you to continue and do Tamers (my fav season) and Tri review/ retrospective!! :)
Magnablaze1 Tamers sucks
Was Tri any good? Is it worth a watch?
Decadent Gamer I personally don't think so. It's nice to hear most of the voice actors return, but the plot has holes in it and the 02 cast are written off from the start. Luckily it's not canon
+KarnRulez I didn't like that the 02's Digimon were forgotten pretty much, were they?
I wished it actually came back and bit the 01's in the butt with the 02's Digimon out for revenge due to some villain taking advantage of things.
Hm okay bummer. I think I may still watch just to say I've seen it but I'll keep this in mind lol
6:15 He's also one of the 2 main characters of the Japanese WonderSwan games. My biggest disappointment with 02 is not capitalizing on the WonderSwan lore, like having thevolder kids and V-mon recognize Ken at the soccer game or explaining that he too was a Digidestined who helped the older kids through a serious crisis between series, and mentioning Ryo and Millenniummon in general. As we got it, we only got a flashback of when Ken took the shot and the Dark Seed implanted itself into him.
*the older kids
I liked the black wargreymon episodes where he did his own thing and eventually met with Agumon
and also where they met Wizardmon's ghost
That was scary and also sad and tragic because I didn't know of the old series and it was jarring to see an old ally desperately warn them beyond death
And I love the intro song, the Indonesian dub was exhilarating
02 was the most exciting time in childhood, for real - every twist and new evolution was too much hype for my brain.
THE ENGLISH VERSION MADE ME THINK KEN PUSHED HIS BROTHER OUT THE WINDOW
ME TOO
I THOUGHT KEN KILLED HIM
Now imight be wrong and if I'm wrong here ignore it haha but the dark spore in ken never turned him completely evil it amplifies negative emotions and sends them outward 2 fold so yes the spore did give more evil intent but he only did it as a way to escape from his problems like we all do when we deal with sorrow or grief we push it down though in kens case his pushed back.
Like the ice shard in the Hans Christian Andersen's Snow Queen
To be fair the series didn't really explain the dark spores you'd have to play some Wonderswan games that never got released in English to get Ken's full story.
The spore is actually a fragment of a Digimon's data called Millenniummon. Though you're correct as Ken explained the dark spores aren't a threat as long as you don't let your negative emotions consume you.
when Millenniummon was defeated, he forced out pieces of his data in the form of Dark Spores. Ken pushed Ryo out of the way of the incoming Spores, and one of them embedded itself in the back of his neck. Wormmon and Ryo tended to Ken for three weeks until he was well enough to return to the Real World
heres a fun fact Millenniummon is Kimeramon + Machinedramon so that means the digimon who makes kens darkness go deeper is the same monster he creates and before you say different kimeramon you would be wrong its stated this digimon is a monster ken as the emperor makes and was not a digimon on his own so yeah theres a time paradox in this season not to mention they inculde ryo from tamers.
Yep. Though Ryo isn't from Tamers, he's from the Adventures universe. In his final game Ryo is given a choice and he chooses to leave to the Tamer's universe with cyberdramon which is a combination of a monodramon that was helping him and zeedmillenniummon.
yeah worded that wrong meant to say the same Ryo that goes to the tamer's universe lol. i was replying just as I was off from work lol.
cyberdramon has zeedmillenniummon's data combined with his own and later on when he and Ryo biomerg Ryo and monodramon's kind nature completely subdues the evil.
looking back now on old tamers episodes with Ryo in them that was the perfect universe to go to I mean destroying Digimon absorbing the data and becoming stronger while the more you fight the more in sync with your Digimon you are.
let's be honest there were so many virus-type Digimon that showed up. cyberdramon would have been in heaven lol
V Mon and x v Mon was my most fav Djimon out of them all
One of the other problems for 02 is that the main reason Ken is evil is tied to a story that is exclusive to Japanese games. We get small flashbacks of Ken & Ryo's fight against Millenniummon, a Digimon who's origins is a paradox due to being tied to the Digimon Ken created, Kimeramon.
02 is one of my favorites due to utilizing my favorite Digivolution method of DNA Digivolution. While Our War Games introduced it with Omegamon, 02 fully utilized it Paildramon, Sylphimon, and Shakkoumon
Ok after 9:00 i finally understand why the show just got weird after ken's story, so that's the reason, very interresting.
10:11 only now i realize that it was an Dracomon lol.
At that time i trully thought that it really was chutullu himself XD
PS: i disagree for T.K. being a leader.
T.K. is too passive for a leader.
Davis in contrary is a born leader, he may be incompetent at first, but that's normal, everyone begins with nothing.
T.K. would have been a much better counselor(advisor) to Davis than a leader.
And davis didn't had the googles, he got the googles.
You know? This season was actually my favorite season. And my favorite Digi destined was Ken. And he was the main reason why I keep staying tuned because of how interesting of a character he is. Also I was a little girl at the time and I had the biggest crush on him. So yeah, he was pretty important to me at the time.