Do you maintain the throttle and just play around with rear brakes? I believe in gymkhana, the clutch wont be touch at all. Am i right? I have the same bike currently trying to improve my low speed manouvering and tight turn
Hi, basically yes, during rotations/turns you keep throttle steady and then fine tune your speed and lean angle with the rear brake. Rear brake is most subtle of the controls- throttle more is rough and also have delay. I don't have yet raised idle RPM's, so I have mess more with the controls- after leaning and braking I need to add little bit of throttle to keep engine pushing and then work with the rear. It is simpler to do this with RPM's little raised. Hope my rotations will improve with the idle adjuster :). Have great fun and lean :).
Hi! Can you tell me what clothing are you wearing, please? Is it leather pants and some motocross gear on top - armour and jersey? I'm getting into gymkhana and want to sort myself gear that would provide me some safety and yet I won't boil in it after a few minutes ;)
Hey, yes, I just "copied with proud" gear style from Japanese MG guys :). So Macna leather pants, Rev-it armour and more less random jersey on top. Previously I was only wearing amour (like in this video th-cam.com/video/4EZeKrQ_2xs/w-d-xo.html), but after few falls I also put jersey on top- armour mesh have zero abrasive resistance and disintegrates very fast. This is also reason I only use armour + jersey for MG riding, not for street :)... Also I highly recommend use quality racing boots- I had not one case of motorcycle falling on my leg and walked away just because of good protection. Have great fun and lean :).
@@KestasLi thank you for the extensive reply. I've only started training and I've been using a mesh motorcycle jacket and kevlar jeans with knee and hip pad inserts. I'm afraid they'll get damaged quick when I start falling, especially the jeans ;) I think I'll go for an outfit similar to yours. Cheers!
Hello Kestas. I have a question, what's your opinion on performing figure 8s and U turns with the counter-lean position (English)? I see you move your weight towards the dirección you want to go, which is the same as I do. Thanks! New sub here.
Hi, thanks for sub✌! Not sure regarding this lean/counter lean question, I'm quite "fresh" MG student and most of my knowledge is borrowed from youtube :). I mostly try to follow these Japanese guys advice to "lean with the bike", but this probably will not work well in all situations. My uneducated guess is you will turn more stable in counter-lean position, but if you lean-with the bike, then you will turn faster. Which is kind of motogymkhana goal I guess- turn tight and fast :). Few links bellow I used for inspiration: Video from famous playlist "Kintaro / Aim for Higher Safety" where japanese instructor explains how to apply load properly for turns th-cam.com/video/RW6hEj2nF6M/w-d-xo.html Another video from the same playlist on how to stay neutral on the bike th-cam.com/video/BDvZuqqVBfo/w-d-xo.html Here Martjin Stapelbroek explains rotations th-cam.com/video/ngcFIT26x9w/w-d-xo.html Another video from the guy called Mogy, he explains how to train rotations and full lock th-cam.com/video/PpHOSbrBN_c/w-d-xo.html Another video from the guy from Polland called Pyxis71. Not much of the advice, but take notice that he doesn't do much counter-leaning on rotations th-cam.com/video/hbvB--UYJXU/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps. Have great fun and angle :).
@@KestasLi thanks a lot. Really appreciate your in depth response, as I'm working my way to the "right" technique. I know there's no such right technique because they compliment each other somehow and offer different benefits. However, I seem to find a huge discussion on the overall community about this topic. Perhaps the best way to perform a U-Turn would be the counter lean because you're more stable therefore more safe. It's just my guess based on everything I've read or watched. TLDR; I do prefer the "lean with the bike" from gymkanas method. It just feels correct & harmonic.
@@Elscroftz Yes, my take is that counterleaning in street riding is probably more stable and safe. But riding motogymkhana your priorities are more on speed, so then something else should be used :). I sometimes feel this discussion about lean-with vs. counterlean is little bit too early for me, because after messing whole season around the cones I realised very simple thing- my lean angle is just not enough to turn quickly. So next season priorities are quite clear- lean more on slow speed and see how it works :). Thanks for support, have great fun and angle!
In motogymkhana 1st gear is used almost 100%. I have seen only few videos of higly skilled japanese guys switching to 2nd on high speed sections, but this is mostly exceptions. I used 2nd in some trainings to smooth out throttle input- you are outside power band all the time, but it helps to regulate power more smoothly. When you get skills to operate throttle gently switching to 2nd gear is not neccessary :).
@@leosined4536 Hey, Klaipėda nėra išimtis, kol kas LT apskritai nėra "profu" t.y. ± neblogų motogymkhana vairuotojų (gal išskyrus Rytis motogym.lt ) :). Tai manau kelias yra paprastas- montuojate apsaugas ant STriple, imat nuorodas į playlistus iš motogymkhana.lt ir pirmyn! Na ir jeigu kur Vilniaus pusėje būsit- galima suorganizuoti kartu "pakatuškes" :).
Hey, thanks for comment! My usual approach is to leave background music on ~20% level to not mask engine music :). But this time somehow it went wrong- although I engine is audible, sound is not "in front". Will fix this on my next video. Have great fun and angle :).
This was relaxing to watch. Nice video
Thanks!
The music fits the video perfectly.
I agree
Can we get a bike check?
Do you maintain the throttle and just play around with rear brakes? I believe in gymkhana, the clutch wont be touch at all. Am i right? I have the same bike currently trying to improve my low speed manouvering and tight turn
Hi, basically yes, during rotations/turns you keep throttle steady and then fine tune your speed and lean angle with the rear brake. Rear brake is most subtle of the controls- throttle more is rough and also have delay. I don't have yet raised idle RPM's, so I have mess more with the controls- after leaning and braking I need to add little bit of throttle to keep engine pushing and then work with the rear. It is simpler to do this with RPM's little raised. Hope my rotations will improve with the idle adjuster :). Have great fun and lean :).
...and yes, no cluch was touched in any of my videos :). Mostly I see cluch is used by motogymkhanistas riding 1 or 2 cylinder bikes.
@@KestasLi understood. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. Definitely will help me in my riding technique around cones
Hi! Can you tell me what clothing are you wearing, please? Is it leather pants and some motocross gear on top - armour and jersey? I'm getting into gymkhana and want to sort myself gear that would provide me some safety and yet I won't boil in it after a few minutes ;)
Hey, yes, I just "copied with proud" gear style from Japanese MG guys :). So Macna leather pants, Rev-it armour and more less random jersey on top. Previously I was only wearing amour (like in this video th-cam.com/video/4EZeKrQ_2xs/w-d-xo.html), but after few falls I also put jersey on top- armour mesh have zero abrasive resistance and disintegrates very fast. This is also reason I only use armour + jersey for MG riding, not for street :)... Also I highly recommend use quality racing boots- I had not one case of motorcycle falling on my leg and walked away just because of good protection. Have great fun and lean :).
@@KestasLi thank you for the extensive reply. I've only started training and I've been using a mesh motorcycle jacket and kevlar jeans with knee and hip pad inserts. I'm afraid they'll get damaged quick when I start falling, especially the jeans ;) I think I'll go for an outfit similar to yours. Cheers!
@@plllot9713 Hey, same here, started riding MG with motorbike jeans but realised quickly they lifetime will be very short :).
Plz explain how to do you??
Hello Kestas. I have a question, what's your opinion on performing figure 8s and U turns with the counter-lean position (English)? I see you move your weight towards the dirección you want to go, which is the same as I do.
Thanks! New sub here.
Hi, thanks for sub✌! Not sure regarding this lean/counter lean question, I'm quite "fresh" MG student and most of my knowledge is borrowed from youtube :). I mostly try to follow these Japanese guys advice to "lean with the bike", but this probably will not work well in all situations. My uneducated guess is you will turn more stable in counter-lean position, but if you lean-with the bike, then you will turn faster. Which is kind of motogymkhana goal I guess- turn tight and fast :). Few links bellow I used for inspiration:
Video from famous playlist "Kintaro / Aim for Higher Safety" where japanese instructor explains how to apply load properly for turns th-cam.com/video/RW6hEj2nF6M/w-d-xo.html
Another video from the same playlist on how to stay neutral on the bike th-cam.com/video/BDvZuqqVBfo/w-d-xo.html
Here Martjin Stapelbroek explains rotations th-cam.com/video/ngcFIT26x9w/w-d-xo.html
Another video from the guy called Mogy, he explains how to train rotations and full lock th-cam.com/video/PpHOSbrBN_c/w-d-xo.html
Another video from the guy from Polland called Pyxis71. Not much of the advice, but take notice that he doesn't do much counter-leaning on rotations th-cam.com/video/hbvB--UYJXU/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps. Have great fun and angle :).
@@KestasLi thanks a lot. Really appreciate your in depth response, as I'm working my way to the "right" technique.
I know there's no such right technique because they compliment each other somehow and offer different benefits. However, I seem to find a huge discussion on the overall community about this topic.
Perhaps the best way to perform a U-Turn would be the counter lean because you're more stable therefore more safe. It's just my guess based on everything I've read or watched.
TLDR; I do prefer the "lean with the bike" from gymkanas method. It just feels correct & harmonic.
@@Elscroftz Yes, my take is that counterleaning in street riding is probably more stable and safe. But riding motogymkhana your priorities are more on speed, so then something else should be used :). I sometimes feel this discussion about lean-with vs. counterlean is little bit too early for me, because after messing whole season around the cones I realised very simple thing- my lean angle is just not enough to turn quickly. So next season priorities are quite clear- lean more on slow speed and see how it works :). Thanks for support, have great fun and angle!
Thanks for sharing all those links!
Great job! What gear were you in?
In motogymkhana 1st gear is used almost 100%. I have seen only few videos of higly skilled japanese guys switching to 2nd on high speed sections, but this is mostly exceptions. I used 2nd in some trainings to smooth out throttle input- you are outside power band all the time, but it helps to regulate power more smoothly. When you get skills to operate throttle gently switching to 2nd gear is not neccessary :).
@@KestasLi Where are you from? Lithuania?
@@leosined4536 hey, yes, I'm from Lithuania, these rides are taken in Vilnius.
Kaip aš norečiau kad mane pamokytu , deja Klaipedoj nera profu. Pats irgi su Street Triple RS važineju.
@@leosined4536 Hey, Klaipėda nėra išimtis, kol kas LT apskritai nėra "profu" t.y. ± neblogų motogymkhana vairuotojų (gal išskyrus Rytis motogym.lt ) :). Tai manau kelias yra paprastas- montuojate apsaugas ant STriple, imat nuorodas į playlistus iš motogymkhana.lt ir pirmyn! Na ir jeigu kur Vilniaus pusėje būsit- galima suorganizuoti kartu "pakatuškes" :).
Music ruined this video. Id like to hear the bike RPM thru the turn.
Hey, thanks for comment! My usual approach is to leave background music on ~20% level to not mask engine music :). But this time somehow it went wrong- although I engine is audible, sound is not "in front". Will fix this on my next video. Have great fun and angle :).