We know that in a post apocalyptic world when modern luxuries can no longer be taken for granted, the guys at Garage54 will still be driving Ladas around.
I drive nothing but late 80s mercedes diesels. In the event of apocalypse type world I will be one of the few vehicles still running. My car will run on used motor oil. Old gas. Old diesel. Transmission fluid. Cooking oil. I can get fuel anywhere if thinks kick off.
@@jwalster9412I ran a kubota v2203 on used atf. It made a tiny bit of smoke, but it wasn't bad. I have no doubt an old diesel car would run just fine on used atf.
Yes need to see labs on this. The Lada is a dog engi e however I'm still shocked there was no knocking or lack of power. However the throttle response appeared to be lower
@ct1762 I was thinking the same thing I know I have watched cars run to high of an octane at the drag strip and it hurt there et the cup burn though is why I'm thinking that who know I bet it's not just one factor like Maybe has lower octane and alot more unrefined carbons idk
With pyrolysis you can get all your fuels. Lower Temps give gasoline, then you also get you butane, diesel, jet fuel, all at different temperatures. The fuel is 100% fine to use in engines, it just needs a little bit of cleaning, like through steel wool, clay pebbles, bubbled through water. There are many ways to do it. Even the gas that comes out of the last bubbler can be compressed and stored in gas cylinders and used on gas stoves. It might smell bad, but remember that commercial fuels are washed, bleached, chemicals are added to give it different smells.
That fluid seems to have more energy density than ordinary gasoline. Try to tune up the carb, make the mixture more lean, if it starts pinging retard the ignition a bit. I think you can get over 10km on that run.
id think that would make the cars more fuel efficient then! might have to change my tune and switch to homemade gas 😂 as long as it doesnt kill my motor after being daily driven on
@@_BaguetteDoggojust gotta find the right stoic for that fuel and hope it doesn’t cause build up on the piston heads or valves. I don’t think those ladas have cats so that’s one less thing to worry about. I’m curious of the make up of this fuel and how it compares stoic wise and it’s octane rating
@@TheMrDarius may not be exactly legally, but i dont have cats either 🤣 yeah thats kinda what i was thinking would be the death of my motor if it gets a whole bunch of buildup inside the cylinder or around the valves. maybe they should do some more testing
I grew up making shine. Your setup would be more efficient if you put a little wood wedge between each coil. The setup you have will have hot spots where the coil is touching itself.
I saw a video of a guy in northern Missouri that took saw dust, burned it to heat tires, which put off a gas. He had like a distillery. First tank was diesel, second was gasoline and third was for gas. Diesel, ran saw mill engine, gasoline powered his pickup, gas heated his house and part of the mill. He also had scrap steel to sell, and carbon black to sell.
i think the likely problem is it would take a lot of energy to get the purity needed to pass environmental regulations. highly unlikely you'd ever see a big corp do this.
Shreaded tires have been mixed with coal and burned in coal fired, steam turbine electiric power plants for decades. It's called "Tire Derived Fuel"/TDR. Up to 1/3 of the fuel mix is tires. This way, tires don't take up space in landfills or pile up, becoming out of control fire hazards, and the energy present in the tires doesn't go to waste.
@@sparky6086 yEAH IT just makes already insanely polluting fuel of coal even more polluting, then idiots shift blame on simple people and want to ban gas powered cars, look at germany, idiots shut down all nuclear power plants, let USA blow up the pipeline, so got out of cheap russian gas and then turned up coal powerplants like idiots, still virtual signaling to me, that my car is pollutin too much, so needs to be banned in 2035, Fuck those weasels. I do think these tires, with a bit of purification are burning less toxic than coal power plants. So it could be used for something, while gasoline is a very pure fuel, i bet with this setup you could EASILY run old diesel car, heck diesels run on anything really if they are old enough.
I used to own stock in unique tire before they went under due to embezzlement. I own stock in plastic2oil and if I could get investment I'd start a pyrolysis plant near me!
What you have here is more like a mixture of gasoline and diesel, maybe some trace alcohols. The left-over stuff can be used as creosote, to preserve wood. A taller still with a collumn would be very helpful.
Fuel is made in large Fractional Stills, the higher vapours end up at the top and work down through kerosene, to Diesel, leaving Tar at the bottom which is used to make the roads. He could potentially Tar the road outside the garage 54.
A big big thumbs up on this one. Old tyres are a huge problem, there is almost no use for them. The best way to get rid of anything it to turn it from waste into a resource .
Shreaded tires have been mixed with coal and burned in coal fired, steam turbine electiric power plants for decades. It's called "Tire Derived Fuel"/TDR. Up to 1/3 of the fuel mix is tires. This way, tires don't take up space in landfills or pile up, becoming out of control fire hazards, and the energy present in the tires doesn't go to waste.
The thought that comes to mind is, how bad are the gases that are generated from doing this? They are flammable so could be used as well. Maybe they could run an engine in the same fashion as propane can, maybe they will compress to a liquid too. Analysis of the gas and liquids would be interesting
I would like to see what the valves and piston in the cylinder looks like after running that synthetic gas for a bit. I guess you could keep refining the synthentic until it's as clean as pump gas.
Thats good point chuck. So many fuels have been ran in vehicles. Another idea would be preheating fuel to get better atomization. I think if you did get varnish buildup some fuel system cleaner or a can of That Motorflush or seafoam. But this fuel looks pretty clean
No if they continue to refine it it will become more rich. Look at the process crude oil is made and you will see that there are many types of fuel you can get.
@@MarcusAurelius2025 and different crudes give different hydrocarbons. "crude oil" is a pretty generic term, some come out fizzing with volatiles, "natural gas", butanes... some come out thick, tar with greases and waxes... iirc, "pennsylvania crude" was well known for lubricating oils, almost as a raw product. most people think of "tar" when they think of "crude oil", but that isnt always the case. "cracking" is a bit of an art. its impressive what these guys have achieved, but with some good research they could still improve what theyre making... i have a few good books that go into good detail on this stuff. but it also requires a bit of decent lab-ware. and of course, to even begin to emulate a full on refinery is a daunting challenge! one wrong move and the whole setup can end in disaster... my main concern is sulfur contents due to tyres being "vulcanised", which involves lots of sulfur... and then modern compounds are trending towards high silicon contents... a tyre is going to have lots of sulfur, and a lot of excess carbon. it all affects what the end product is, and what byproducts are left. doing tests on flash points, boiling points... maybe not as interesting a video, and would also be more suited to say, "nile red" or "chemical force" or "explosions and ire"... and then theres always the original tests ricardo was doing on compression and how the term "octane" even came into being... quick look at any chemical databook will show that "octane" isnt just ONE compound, but a whole variety of isomers that share the same 8 carbon atoms in a chain. only one or two are what we consider as "octane". that was the whole point of TEL, reduce the complexity of refining "good fuel", make it CHEAP... unleaded needs a lot of extra... "aromatics" to get the same result.
Only thing I would do different is after the cracking the crude I would wash the finished product with water to remove the solids. It’s a simple process and would probably give you really similar results only less residues to clean up
Another terrific experiment from Garage 54, I absolutely love your video's and furthermore its good experience for your young mechanic's .Greeting's to you all from Melbourne Australia.
Reminds me of a story I heard about oil refinery workers back in the 60s and 70s. They would tank up their cars of free white gas because it was free. It worked but made the cars run like crap and smoke.
White gas, now there's something I kinda forgot about. I think I still have a gallon or so on the shelf downstairs for Coleman lanterns and stoves. I always thought it was basically kerosene refined a bit better. I never really looked into it.
@@kleetus92 50-60 or so would be my guess. Octane ratings come from the old school way they measured the ratio of octane and heptane. 50 octane would be a 50-50 mix of octane and heptane. All theoretical because it was always octane EQUIVILANT. That's the important part. Pure 100% octane is what you want but that's hard to refine so gasoline is a mixture of a lot of hydrocarbons from heptane to do-decane with octane in the middle.
It would gum up the injectors quickly and create more carbon in the combustion chambers/sludge in the oil because it's a more dirty/less refined fuel, I don't think a modern engine would like it very well
taking into consideration the current state of the world. If there were more people like you guys focused on building and making things work ,we would be in far better shape .. Nicely done.
Move to a poorer country and you'll see way more of this kind of stuff thats not profitable if scaled up but makes sense on individual level(and people not giving a shit about taxes and regulations). Like people using diy cars with kubota engines and stuff, it doesn't make sense if you could just get paid welding and buy an efficiently built car. It has its charm though.
@lassikinnunen I keep saying that the Americans are going to have to learn how to be much more self-sufficient, innovative, and ingenious, much like the Cubans did in the 1960s.
its not so much like that we need to learn , we have too much b/s in our lives that prohibit or govern our creative energies ,with rules and regulations created by those whom live in a constant state of fear or keep us in a constant state of existing just to exist and not be able to follow our passions which is very ,very sad. @@floridagunrat1625
Каждый раз, когда вы перегоняете топливо, оно должно становиться более горючим, а также уменьшать запах. Если хотите, попробуйте пропустить газ через активированный уголь. (каждый раз, когда вы перегоняете топливо, у вас остается немного меньше газа). «газ означает бензин», также добавьте немного заменителя свинца, это смазает клапаны и седла и уменьшит пожелтение, а также проверьте уровень угарного газа (c/o). Для карбюратора стехиометрическое соотношение должно быть примерно от 1,4 до 1,5) (впрыск должен быть примерно от 0,4 до 0,6).
Really probably need a bubbler cap distillation column, and some good thermometers to catch the right fraction. Remember, that straight run gasoline is known as white gasoline (naptha) which is very low octane compared to modern gasoline which is enhanced with additives.
Adds a whole new meaning to burning rubber! Run 10 liters through and do a plug comparison before and after to see if there is any significant ash or goo on the plugs.
Would be interesting what the octane rating of the synthetic fuel is. And repeat the test with a fuel injection vehicle where the O2 sensor regulates the air/fuel mix.
Great job guys! In the previous video I've commented that I wouldn't be suprised if some old Lada would run better on your stuff (as a semijoke). Heh, turn out I was right. I wonder if your gas is that good or is it that what they sell us is garbage. Or maybe both. I bet that with some proper refining and careful blending you could make something even better.
That was very interesting! Maybe sulfur would be a problem if you use this long term. There is alot of sulfur in rubber. I think it may form sulfuric acid after the combustion
A high compression engine would love this nasty stuff. I bet it's higher octane and of course more energy dense. Put this in a modern V6, tune it and dyno. That would be a killer video. Homemade race fuel!
You need a low tempature for refining fuel. Only 35 degrees C or 95 degrees F is needed to boil gasoline. You could use a solar thermal heater to boil gasoline. Kerosene boils at 150 degrees C or 300 degrees F. But if you run kerosene over a carbon felt and blow air through it you should also make a fuel vapor for condensing.
A hot day you could paint your boiler black and use sun light for heat. Anyway the low vaporizing fuel should boil out on a hot day anyway so the solar still may be the way to go.
But to make the crude fuel from tires, it requires a much higher temperature. I guess you're only talking about separating the fuels after the pyrolysis of tires, but even that probably requires a higher temperature.
These two episodes are one of the most successful and best episodes. I wish to know more details like what the first burner’s estimated temperatures were, and how long it ran the second time.
Great test! Now try acetone in regular gasoline. 30ml of acetone to 19L of petrol is the ideal ratio.Change the concentration and see how much acetone can be mixed with fuel before the engine runs poorly. My best is 148ml to 49L of gas.
@TyaxComp Those figures seem very high, also acetone is a strong solvent and would hate to think what it would do to the fuel lines and any plastic components. It's also water soluble which already causes issues with modern fuel cause of the similar properties of added ethanol. Oh and it's also extremely toxic in its own right, so even if it does improve emissions like you say. What's else would you be putting out the exhaust pipe?
The tire extract showed approximately 7% increase in fuel economy. Not huge but significant. This would be a great way to get rid of the millions of tires stacked in landfills while also reducing dependence on fossil crude.
I would be very interested to see the difference when used in a computer controlled vehicle since it seems that the fuels are different enough to see gains there as well, even though we don't know the proper afr.
If you run regular fuel and read the fuel trims and then run this fuel and compare the fuel trims the narrow band o2 sensor will tell you the stoich ratio. If the trims add 10% fuel compared to regular fuel you know it's around 13:1 etc which would mean higher octane but less energy closer to alcohol than unleaded etc!
Unos pequeños consejos que te van a permitir mejorar la calidad bastante con poco costo. Lo primero es que todo el proceso se basa en la pirolisis de hidrocarburos pesados, más pasadas de los compuestos pesados van a degradarse en compuestos más ligeros. En la industria esto se hace en reactores catalíticos. Esto quiere decir que más pasadas y mejor manejo de la temperatura te van a permitir obtener lo que buscas con un mejor rendimiento. Los compuestos más ligeros como los gases butanos, propanos, etanos y metanos te van a permitir continuar el proceso al usarlos para recalentar el reactor pirolítico, una vez iniciado el proceso. La gasolina evapora alrededor de 75° a 85° centígrados aproximadamente, lo ideal es extraer el condensado a esa temperatura, lo demás reenviarlo al reactor o a uno que trabaje a menores temperaturas. Esto va a eliminar los aceites más pesados presentes en la combustión, dejando solo lo que le hace bien al motor. Primero a más pasadas por el condensador mejor calidad de combustible vas a obtener. Segundo es una materia prima con impurezas. Un neumático usado tiene inclusiones de metales (alambre y esquirlas), silicatos y otros compuestos que arrastran después de su mecanizado. Cuando lo pasas de sólido a líquido, en el primer ciclo de pirolisis, te van a quedar restos en el reactor y en la solución. Decantar y filtrar no es opcional, se tiene que hacer. El decantado se hace con un bidón de 6 litros de agua para aprovechar el embudo del recipiente como tolva. Hay recipientes plásticos de 25 y 40 litros muy económicos utilizados para elaborar cerveza que son más útiles. También se puede trabajar con acero. Se coloca una válvula para extraer la solución por encima del nivel predeterminado por el embudo. Un decantado promedio tarda de 24 a 72 horas y se puede realizar sin coste más allá de la perdida de un poco de solución que quede con los sólidos. El decantador se puede reutilizar después de lavarse. Y se tiene que lavar ni bien, se termina de usar para evitar que los sólidos se adhieran a la superficie. Después de un primer decantado grosero suele puedes usar filtro de tela o de papel. El de papel es mejor, pero no es reutilizable y tiene capacidades limitadas para trabajar en volumen. El de tela es un poco más reutilizable, pero una vez se sature debes eliminarlo igual. Esto te va a eliminar muchos residuos físicos y hollín, lo cual se traduce en una mayor vida del motor. Tercero puedes cortar el combustible usando un hidrocarburo más ligero como lo es el etanol para mejorar el rendimiento. Se usa mucho para mejorar sus cualidades. Hay países que a la gasolina le meten un 80% de etanol. Puedes usar los mismos condensadores como alambique para procesar algún fermento de frutas, granos o papa para obtener el etanol en cuestión y aumentar su graduación solo luego de un primer decantado y filtrado. Obviamente, el manejo de la temperatura y las levaduras es igual de importante. Si lo usas para quemar los echas todos los que salgan por debajo de 100 °C de condensación. Si lo usas para otra cosa cuidada con el metanol y los alcoholes más pesados.
as per the bowl test, it would seem this one needs to run more lean to do complete combustion. I bet they would need to tune the carburettor to get optimal performance
Tires are made of polybutadiene, basically a big long tangle of unsaturated hydrocarbons. "Cracking" the tire compound results in a mix of liquid hydrocarbons of varying length. The soot is due to carbon-carbon double bonds still present in the fuel, something that gasoline tries to minimize for cleaner burning. If you were to take this "tire extract" and bubble hydrogen gas through it in the presence of a metal catalyst (Nickel or Palladium I think???) you'd reduce the number of C-C double bonds and get something that's even closer to gasoline than what you have already.
This is rad. There's a medium duty freight truck with a 6 cylinder carburated engine nearby that i want. I might have to make my own fuel for it, and put it to work
@@CaptHollister it depends if you're talking about time or cash. I can go to my city's greenwaste dump and get as much wood as I want, collect free pallets from local businesses, get paid to trim trees and use that wood. I think the local sawmills don't charge for sawdust. Waste motor oil. Also, the way they distilled it the first time is by starting a fire at first, then using the gas fraction from the tires to do a lot of the work. Oil is actually very low in price right now, while gas is very high. Why? Oil company profits.
I wonder if filtering your synth gas would remove a lot of the particulates and maybe the rubber bits still suspended in the solution. Small filter like 10 micron or something. Not sure what it would typically be filtered at.
@@PhattyMo I’m not sure the differences in filtration but diesel oil filters are big screw on filters much like an oil filter so if anything you could use one of those.
It's wild that this popped up today. Just earlier I drove past this guy's house who used to turn recycled plastic into penetrating spray for nuts n such when I worked in a garage. It was some of the best stuff that I ever used and I just happened to be thinking about that not even 2 hours before seeing this.
It reminds me of leaded vs unleaded fuel. Leaded smelled funky and had lots of power compared to unleaded. Maybe a bit more refining will improve the smell, but at the sacrifice of some of the HP.
activated charcoal, and a filter should remove odor and large particles. distilling should remove more solids and viscous materials in each loop, 3 times is usually a rule of thumb or best practice for spirits. they place 3 stills in line with each other. the final steps of each have their own filter medium to pass through. and it cycles around. the longer it runs the cleaner and more pure it gets.
There should be a different carbon connections formula wise, some of amonia, h2s, diesel and vacuum distilate leftowers and the octane count should be way off in this unstable untreated petroleum fraction. After running additional distilation process you should get a cleaner petroleum fraction eliminating part of that rubbery residue
You can take the colouring out of red diesel with cat litter so I dare say you will be able to do the same to clean the petrol. Try it in your next video please 👍❤️💛💚
You may have been able to get even more distance on the synthetic fuel if you ran a little leaner. While I'm not completely sure of this but, it appears that it required more oxygen.
I have my 2 stroke 135cc motorcycle engine once filled with gasoline on a small retailer about 5 or 7 years ago. Here in Indonesia a lot of small fuel retailer got their supply by buying from nearest fuel station about 40 to 80 liters daily. But this time, the rubber gasket on my fuel valve/fuel cock (under my fuel tank) is leaking. I thought the rubber leak must be from different chemical from the gasoline. Then few months later i found out a used tire pyrolysis plant about 10 km away from the retailer is already in operation for some times. Perhaps he bought the gasoline from that plant for cheaper buy and bigger profit. I didn't notice any engine performance difference since i used the motorcycle just for commuting transportation (not for racing), i just noticed that the gasoline is a bit harsh to rubber. But the rubber hose from fuel tank to the carburetor was just fine, maybe because the hose is made with different type of rubber.
Based on the burn and the heat in the cup, I'd say you made 115-120 octane, ill bet if you tuned it /adjusted the timing you'd get much better results.
@@blackdaan I'm no scientist, but as I understand it raw refined gasoline has an octane of 100, based on the hydrocarbons in crude oil. Now. This fuel was made from tires I didn't watch the process video, but since he keeps referring to it as synthetic fuel and knowing that there are polymers and elastomers as well as carbon from the vulcanization in tires I'm going to assume there are other hydrocarbons in the mixture, hydrocarbons boost octane. Also the higher the octane the more heat and the slower the burn. So that's how I came to the conclusion that the octane is higher.
It was so close to right. There needs to be a column thats wider above the heating vessel. It should be cool enough to allow for some condensation, but not so thin that the condensate fills up and pushes through. This allows evaporates with similar vapor points to separate. Then, you use smaller collection vessels to collect the distillates. The first flask will have your more volitile components, usually the smelliest bits come over early. Adding ice to the water would help, as well as Adding height to the first column.
I don't understand why a ceramic cup on top of an engine bay full of flammable rubber hoses and such is the choice location for the "test burn". Perhaps they wanted to create tension? Either way, fun video. Thanks!
Para quitarle el olor y refinarlo lavalo dos veces con sosa disuelto en agua. Posteriormente agrega 7%de etanol para oxigenar y listo... Saludos desd México!
The setup you have used is a basic distillation system. In this type of setup collect gasoline only between ambient temperature and maximum 120 degC. Kerosene will be like 120 to 150 and then diesel from 150 to 210.
Look into a process called ( thermal depolymization) it was an article in discovery science mag in the 90s Basically a grinder pressure cooker using high pressure steam to break down things. They built a plant at the butter ball turkey factory for processing all the organic waste they get light sweet crude oil from the process that still needs to be refined. Just spit balling ideas. Great video
We know that in a post apocalyptic world when modern luxuries can no longer be taken for granted, the guys at Garage54 will still be driving Ladas around.
Probably striped exoskeleton Ladas, run on tire gas.
I drive nothing but late 80s mercedes diesels. In the event of apocalypse type world I will be one of the few vehicles still running. My car will run on used motor oil. Old gas. Old diesel. Transmission fluid. Cooking oil. I can get fuel anywhere if thinks kick off.
@@w124mercedes7 you ran your car on transmission fluid?
@@jwalster9412I've run several old diesels on dex-merc trans fluid (not exclusively, that would be ridiculously expensive)
@@jwalster9412I ran a kubota v2203 on used atf. It made a tiny bit of smoke, but it wasn't bad. I have no doubt an old diesel car would run just fine on used atf.
Now we're making tire moonshine
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Michelin moonshine
That is exactly what I was thinking lol
Could always mix up Molotov Cocktails with it as well
@@daewooparts the smell of burning tires and enemies in one.
It would be interesting to send a sample of this to a lab and have it tested to see it's chemical makeup and also do an octane test
I didn't hear it knock at all, even when they pushed the car hard. The octane rating can't be that bad.
@@misterfreedom5699you have to remember that a lada is a dog engine it loves shit fuel
@@STAY-GOLD-VINYLlmfao I mean you’re not wrong.
Project farm agrees lol
Yes need to see labs on this. The Lada is a dog engi e however I'm still shocked there was no knocking or lack of power. However the throttle response appeared to be lower
A spark plug comparison after each test would have been interesting to see.
They should adjust its gap and spark timing when its octane number will be known! Thats can be a matter for they color if not set right .
I was expecting them to do that myself.
Yes
Does the test site being container store yard?
@@mohdhalimamat7877You may want to reword that. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I was quite surprised. Figured it would run, but expected lots of pinging due to low octane. You guys never fail to deliver.
It's a Lada, the compression ratio is like 6:1. It'll run fine on just about anything that burns.
I think they got quite the opposite and got a better octane number considering
@@zethspurlock at 6:1 compression, i think you will find its more efficient on lower octane, not higher.
Based on the burn in the cup, the octane is considerably higher.
@ct1762 I was thinking the same thing I know I have watched cars run to high of an octane at the drag strip and it hurt there et the cup burn though is why I'm thinking that who know I bet it's not just one factor like Maybe has lower octane and alot more unrefined carbons idk
With pyrolysis you can get all your fuels. Lower Temps give gasoline, then you also get you butane, diesel, jet fuel, all at different temperatures. The fuel is 100% fine to use in engines, it just needs a little bit of cleaning, like through steel wool, clay pebbles, bubbled through water. There are many ways to do it. Even the gas that comes out of the last bubbler can be compressed and stored in gas cylinders and used on gas stoves. It might smell bad, but remember that commercial fuels are washed, bleached, chemicals are added to give it different smells.
He needs to crack the crude.
show us how to clean the fuel they make would be something worth watching cheers
That fluid seems to have more energy density than ordinary gasoline. Try to tune up the carb, make the mixture more lean, if it starts pinging retard the ignition a bit. I think you can get over 10km on that run.
id think that would make the cars more fuel efficient then! might have to change my tune and switch to homemade gas 😂 as long as it doesnt kill my motor after being daily driven on
@@_BaguetteDoggojust gotta find the right stoic for that fuel and hope it doesn’t cause build up on the piston heads or valves. I don’t think those ladas have cats so that’s one less thing to worry about. I’m curious of the make up of this fuel and how it compares stoic wise and it’s octane rating
@@TheMrDarius may not be exactly legally, but i dont have cats either 🤣 yeah thats kinda what i was thinking would be the death of my motor if it gets a whole bunch of buildup inside the cylinder or around the valves. maybe they should do some more testing
It almost seemed more eager to launch on the test track run compared to gasoline.
Yeah needs to be more lean, or even better, add boost and it might be crazy
I grew up making shine. Your setup would be more efficient if you put a little wood wedge between each coil. The setup you have will have hot spots where the coil is touching itself.
thanks theres the things that can take a life time to learn
CIRCUMCISE THE COIL!
I saw a video of a guy in northern Missouri that took saw dust, burned it to heat tires, which put off a gas. He had like a distillery. First tank was diesel, second was gasoline and third was for gas. Diesel, ran saw mill engine, gasoline powered his pickup, gas heated his house and part of the mill. He also had scrap steel to sell, and carbon black to sell.
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The fact that tires cant truly be disposed of and dont break down over time, this could be a legit alternative fuel if done correctly on a mass scale.
I mean, technically you can make fuel from plastic too. We as a society has no shortage of plastics.
i think the likely problem is it would take a lot of energy to get the purity needed to pass environmental regulations. highly unlikely you'd ever see a big corp do this.
Shreaded tires have been mixed with coal and burned in coal fired, steam turbine electiric power plants for decades. It's called "Tire Derived Fuel"/TDR. Up to 1/3 of the fuel mix is tires.
This way, tires don't take up space in landfills or pile up, becoming out of control fire hazards, and the energy present in the tires doesn't go to waste.
@@sparky6086 yEAH IT just makes already insanely polluting fuel of coal even more polluting, then idiots shift blame on simple people and want to ban gas powered cars, look at germany, idiots shut down all nuclear power plants, let USA blow up the pipeline, so got out of cheap russian gas and then turned up coal powerplants like idiots, still virtual signaling to me, that my car is pollutin too much, so needs to be banned in 2035, Fuck those weasels.
I do think these tires, with a bit of purification are burning less toxic than coal power plants. So it could be used for something, while gasoline is a very pure fuel, i bet with this setup you could EASILY run old diesel car, heck diesels run on anything really if they are old enough.
I used to own stock in unique tire before they went under due to embezzlement. I own stock in plastic2oil and if I could get investment I'd start a pyrolysis plant near me!
What you have here is more like a mixture of gasoline and diesel, maybe some trace alcohols. The left-over stuff can be used as creosote, to preserve wood. A taller still with a collumn would be very helpful.
Fuel is made in large Fractional Stills, the higher vapours end up at the top and work down through kerosene, to Diesel, leaving Tar at the bottom which is used to make the roads.
He could potentially Tar the road outside the garage 54.
A big big thumbs up on this one. Old tyres are a huge problem, there is almost no use for them. The best way to get rid of anything it to turn it from waste into a resource .
That already the case tho company already burn raw tires in huge boiler for electricity
Shreaded tires have been mixed with coal and burned in coal fired, steam turbine electiric power plants for decades. It's called "Tire Derived Fuel"/TDR. Up to 1/3 of the fuel mix is tires.
This way, tires don't take up space in landfills or pile up, becoming out of control fire hazards, and the energy present in the tires doesn't go to waste.
The thought that comes to mind is, how bad are the gases that are generated from doing this? They are flammable so could be used as well.
Maybe they could run an engine in the same fashion as propane can, maybe they will compress to a liquid too. Analysis of the gas and liquids would be interesting
One thing, I like how you make complex DIY project look simple
There are plastic recycling plants that do something like this, there is also lots of relatively clean incineration
yep thats the way you do it , redistill the crude liquid to get a more pure fuel solution, distillation a couple of times makes the good stuff
I would like to see what the valves and piston in the cylinder looks like after running that synthetic gas for a bit. I guess you could keep refining the synthentic until it's as clean as pump gas.
Thats good point chuck. So many fuels have been ran in vehicles. Another idea would be preheating fuel to get better atomization. I think if you did get varnish buildup some fuel system cleaner or a can of That Motorflush or seafoam. But this fuel looks pretty clean
No if they continue to refine it it will become more rich. Look at the process crude oil is made and you will see that there are many types of fuel you can get.
@@MarcusAurelius2025 and different crudes give different hydrocarbons. "crude oil" is a pretty generic term, some come out fizzing with volatiles, "natural gas", butanes... some come out thick, tar with greases and waxes... iirc, "pennsylvania crude" was well known for lubricating oils, almost as a raw product. most people think of "tar" when they think of "crude oil", but that isnt always the case.
"cracking" is a bit of an art. its impressive what these guys have achieved, but with some good research they could still improve what theyre making... i have a few good books that go into good detail on this stuff. but it also requires a bit of decent lab-ware. and of course, to even begin to emulate a full on refinery is a daunting challenge! one wrong move and the whole setup can end in disaster...
my main concern is sulfur contents due to tyres being "vulcanised", which involves lots of sulfur... and then modern compounds are trending towards high silicon contents... a tyre is going to have lots of sulfur, and a lot of excess carbon.
it all affects what the end product is, and what byproducts are left.
doing tests on flash points, boiling points... maybe not as interesting a video, and would also be more suited to say, "nile red" or "chemical force" or "explosions and ire"...
and then theres always the original tests ricardo was doing on compression and how the term "octane" even came into being... quick look at any chemical databook will show that "octane" isnt just ONE compound, but a whole variety of isomers that share the same 8 carbon atoms in a chain. only one or two are what we consider as "octane".
that was the whole point of TEL, reduce the complexity of refining "good fuel", make it CHEAP...
unleaded needs a lot of extra... "aromatics" to get the same result.
Only thing I would do different is after the cracking the crude I would wash the finished product with water to remove the solids. It’s a simple process and would probably give you really similar results only less residues to clean up
Another terrific experiment from Garage 54, I absolutely love your video's and furthermore its good experience for your young mechanic's .Greeting's to you all from Melbourne Australia.
Reminds me of a story I heard about oil refinery workers back in the 60s and 70s. They would tank up their cars of free white gas because it was free. It worked but made the cars run like crap and smoke.
White gas, now there's something I kinda forgot about. I think I still have a gallon or so on the shelf downstairs for Coleman lanterns and stoves. I always thought it was basically kerosene refined a bit better. I never really looked into it.
@@kleetus92 Nah man, white gas is the OG gasoline. The kind of gas they had over a hundred years ago now. Simple petroleum distillate. No additives.
It's like 50 octane and would work perfectly fine...if you detune a lot lol@@kleetus92
@@rayceeya8659wonder what it's octane rating is though? I mean it burns yeah, but I don't think it's quite as good for engine fuel.
@@kleetus92 50-60 or so would be my guess. Octane ratings come from the old school way they measured the ratio of octane and heptane. 50 octane would be a 50-50 mix of octane and heptane. All theoretical because it was always octane EQUIVILANT. That's the important part. Pure 100% octane is what you want but that's hard to refine so gasoline is a mixture of a lot of hydrocarbons from heptane to do-decane with octane in the middle.
Good use of old tires, now you can use the leftover residue for the heating fuel and no waste. Awesome job guys 👏
I would like to see this fuel used in a fuel injected engine! Great results!
YEA SAME
It would gum up the injectors quickly and create more carbon in the combustion chambers/sludge in the oil because it's a more dirty/less refined fuel, I don't think a modern engine would like it very well
@@consolehacker54 i was thinking the same thing
@@consolehacker54 I was wondering too. But maybe? it can be double distilled?
@@hell_march6652 It was double distilled
Love this channel. I especially liked the whiteboard cartoons... you guys must have fun at work!
taking into consideration the current state of the world. If there were more people like you guys focused on building and making things work ,we would be in far better shape .. Nicely done.
Move to a poorer country and you'll see way more of this kind of stuff thats not profitable if scaled up but makes sense on individual level(and people not giving a shit about taxes and regulations).
Like people using diy cars with kubota engines and stuff, it doesn't make sense if you could just get paid welding and buy an efficiently built car. It has its charm though.
Or 'the powers that be' would have to increase their # of 'shadow men'!
@lassikinnunen I keep saying that the Americans are going to have to learn how to be much more self-sufficient, innovative, and ingenious, much like the Cubans did in the 1960s.
its not so much like that we need to learn , we have too much b/s in our lives that prohibit or govern our creative energies ,with rules and regulations created by those whom live in a constant state of fear or keep us in a constant state of existing just to exist and not be able to follow our passions which is very ,very sad.
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@@strangelyfamiliar1729 Make large holes in the ground for their increased numbers. Good fertilizer, too.
It would be interesting to run a dyno test on the two different fuels and see the difference it makes in horsepower and torque
I have a feeling the Sulphur content is high as sulfur is used when making tires. Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing it.
Каждый раз, когда вы перегоняете топливо, оно должно становиться более горючим, а также уменьшать запах. Если хотите, попробуйте пропустить газ через активированный уголь. (каждый раз, когда вы перегоняете топливо, у вас остается немного меньше газа). «газ означает бензин», также добавьте немного заменителя свинца, это смазает клапаны и седла и уменьшит пожелтение, а также проверьте уровень угарного газа (c/o). Для карбюратора стехиометрическое соотношение должно быть примерно от 1,4 до 1,5) (впрыск должен быть примерно от 0,4 до 0,6).
I've been studying pyrolysis of waste plastics into fuel oils for about 4 years now. Im so very happy to see someone FINALLY try it in a vehicle.
Really probably need a bubbler cap distillation column, and some good thermometers to catch the right fraction. Remember, that straight run gasoline is known as white gasoline (naptha) which is very low octane compared to modern gasoline which is enhanced with additives.
I was hoping you guys would use this as fuel! Good results
Id LOVE to see the engine condition in an extended running scenario of the tire/gas. Will it kill it over time, or no difference?
it might fowl it up a bunch over time since there was more crap left behind but kill it ?> nah
@@amdintelxsniperx Nah, there's no poultry in it 🤣😂🤣😂
It's nice that the channel is growing! It is well deserved. Keep it up. Can't wait for the next video!
You guys always do some amazing stuff. Great job to all of you.
I love this channel. You guys are the best
Very cool! I was surprised to see how easy you extracted this.
I think this would be interesting for Nile Red
Adds a whole new meaning to burning rubber! Run 10 liters through and do a plug comparison before and after to see if there is any significant ash or goo on the plugs.
Would be interesting what the octane rating of the synthetic fuel is. And repeat the test with a fuel injection vehicle where the O2 sensor regulates the air/fuel mix.
Great job guys! In the previous video I've commented that I wouldn't be suprised if some old Lada would run better on your stuff (as a semijoke). Heh, turn out I was right. I wonder if your gas is that good or is it that what they sell us is garbage. Or maybe both. I bet that with some proper refining and careful blending you could make something even better.
That was very interesting! Maybe sulfur would be a problem if you use this long term. There is alot of sulfur in rubber. I think it may form sulfuric acid after the combustion
Correct....rubber contains a sulfur element in it's molecular formulas therefore the gasoline produced from rubber tend to be high sulfur
A high compression engine would love this nasty stuff. I bet it's higher octane and of course more energy dense. Put this in a modern V6, tune it and dyno. That would be a killer video. Homemade race fuel!
You need a low tempature for refining fuel. Only 35 degrees C or 95 degrees F is needed to boil gasoline. You could use a solar thermal heater to boil gasoline. Kerosene boils at 150 degrees C or 300 degrees F. But if you run kerosene over a carbon felt and blow air through it you should also make a fuel vapor for condensing.
A hot day you could paint your boiler black and use sun light for heat. Anyway the low vaporizing fuel should boil out on a hot day anyway so the solar still may be the way to go.
But to make the crude fuel from tires, it requires a much higher temperature. I guess you're only talking about separating the fuels after the pyrolysis of tires, but even that probably requires a higher temperature.
These two episodes are one of the most successful and best episodes. I wish to know more details like what the first burner’s estimated temperatures were, and how long it ran the second time.
Great test! Now try acetone in regular gasoline. 30ml of acetone to 19L of petrol is the ideal ratio.Change the concentration and see how much acetone can be mixed with fuel before the engine runs poorly.
My best is 148ml to 49L of gas.
Why do this? Isn't acetone more expensive than the fuel?
@TyaxComp Those figures seem very high, also acetone is a strong solvent and would hate to think what it would do to the fuel lines and any plastic components. It's also water soluble which already causes issues with modern fuel cause of the similar properties of added ethanol. Oh and it's also extremely toxic in its own right, so even if it does improve emissions like you say. What's else would you be putting out the exhaust pipe?
@@Iaintwoke I agree about the rubber and plastic damage but acetone isn't that toxic even though it smells it
@@smeezekitty Fair enough. I did look and it's not as bad as I thought. Only really bad in large amounts. My mistake.
@@smeezekittylol don't you think if simply adding a small quantity of acetone would improve emissions 50% it would already been done
thats an excellent result, congratulations!
you forgot to mention: no knocking and no smoking as far as i can tell on the screen.
The tire extract showed approximately 7% increase in fuel economy. Not huge but significant. This would be a great way to get rid of the millions of tires stacked in landfills while also reducing dependence on fossil crude.
No such thing as fossil fuel.
It would be interesting to see what the combustion chambers looked like before, And after using the synthetic fuel.
You could get a similar result from wood pyrolysis as either a gas or a liquid fuel.
There is a company in Louisiana US that makes diesel Fuel from tires for offroad vehicles mainly Boats in the ocean.
What is the name of the company? Thanks
Imagine the millions if not billions of tyres just left in landfill that can easily be utilised in this way.
Thank you Garage 54, you guys are awesome
I would be very interested to see the difference when used in a computer controlled vehicle since it seems that the fuels are different enough to see gains there as well, even though we don't know the proper afr.
If you run regular fuel and read the fuel trims and then run this fuel and compare the fuel trims the narrow band o2 sensor will tell you the stoich ratio. If the trims add 10% fuel compared to regular fuel you know it's around 13:1 etc which would mean higher octane but less energy closer to alcohol than unleaded etc!
Unos pequeños consejos que te van a permitir mejorar la calidad bastante con poco costo.
Lo primero es que todo el proceso se basa en la pirolisis de hidrocarburos pesados, más pasadas de los compuestos pesados van a degradarse en compuestos más ligeros. En la industria esto se hace en reactores catalíticos.
Esto quiere decir que más pasadas y mejor manejo de la temperatura te van a permitir obtener lo que buscas con un mejor rendimiento. Los compuestos más ligeros como los gases butanos, propanos, etanos y metanos te van a permitir continuar el proceso al usarlos para recalentar el reactor pirolítico, una vez iniciado el proceso.
La gasolina evapora alrededor de 75° a 85° centígrados aproximadamente, lo ideal es extraer el condensado a esa temperatura, lo demás reenviarlo al reactor o a uno que trabaje a menores temperaturas. Esto va a eliminar los aceites más pesados presentes en la combustión, dejando solo lo que le hace bien al motor.
Primero a más pasadas por el condensador mejor calidad de combustible vas a obtener.
Segundo es una materia prima con impurezas. Un neumático usado tiene inclusiones de metales (alambre y esquirlas), silicatos y otros compuestos que arrastran después de su mecanizado. Cuando lo pasas de sólido a líquido, en el primer ciclo de pirolisis, te van a quedar restos en el reactor y en la solución.
Decantar y filtrar no es opcional, se tiene que hacer. El decantado se hace con un bidón de 6 litros de agua para aprovechar el embudo del recipiente como tolva. Hay recipientes plásticos de 25 y 40 litros muy económicos utilizados para elaborar cerveza que son más útiles. También se puede trabajar con acero. Se coloca una válvula para extraer la solución por encima del nivel predeterminado por el embudo.
Un decantado promedio tarda de 24 a 72 horas y se puede realizar sin coste más allá de la perdida de un poco de solución que quede con los sólidos. El decantador se puede reutilizar después de lavarse. Y se tiene que lavar ni bien, se termina de usar para evitar que los sólidos se adhieran a la superficie. Después de un primer decantado grosero suele puedes usar filtro de tela o de papel. El de papel es mejor, pero no es reutilizable y tiene capacidades limitadas para trabajar en volumen. El de tela es un poco más reutilizable, pero una vez se sature debes eliminarlo igual. Esto te va a eliminar muchos residuos físicos y hollín, lo cual se traduce en una mayor vida del motor.
Tercero puedes cortar el combustible usando un hidrocarburo más ligero como lo es el etanol para mejorar el rendimiento. Se usa mucho para mejorar sus cualidades. Hay países que a la gasolina le meten un 80% de etanol. Puedes usar los mismos condensadores como alambique para procesar algún fermento de frutas, granos o papa para obtener el etanol en cuestión y aumentar su graduación solo luego de un primer decantado y filtrado. Obviamente, el manejo de la temperatura y las levaduras es igual de importante. Si lo usas para quemar los echas todos los que salgan por debajo de 100 °C de condensación.
Si lo usas para otra cosa cuidada con el metanol y los alcoholes más pesados.
Interesting. I'd love to see a burn temperature, Very cool.
The light fluid is theory mostly "Isoprene", it has very similar properties to crude gasoline; light weight, and low boiling point
Vlad and the guys would be the ones to have on your side in the event of the Apocalypse!
Combined with "the slingshot channel"... Interesting future! (-:
I Love you guys. All of your videos are Awesome. I am watching from Vernon BC Canada.
Now let’s do a video on how the different fuels effect the engine life, and measure carbon build up within and on the engine components.
as per the bowl test, it would seem this one needs to run more lean to do complete combustion. I bet they would need to tune the carburettor to get optimal performance
Tires are made of polybutadiene, basically a big long tangle of unsaturated hydrocarbons. "Cracking" the tire compound results in a mix of liquid hydrocarbons of varying length. The soot is due to carbon-carbon double bonds still present in the fuel, something that gasoline tries to minimize for cleaner burning. If you were to take this "tire extract" and bubble hydrogen gas through it in the presence of a metal catalyst (Nickel or Palladium I think???) you'd reduce the number of C-C double bonds and get something that's even closer to gasoline than what you have already.
This is rad. There's a medium duty freight truck with a 6 cylinder carburated engine nearby that i want. I might have to make my own fuel for it, and put it to work
that will save you alot of 'gas-tax' while cleaning your environment.. (::) good luck.
There's no free lunch. How much will it cost you in fuel to distill your own gasoline ?
@@CaptHollister it depends if you're talking about time or cash. I can go to my city's greenwaste dump and get as much wood as I want, collect free pallets from local businesses, get paid to trim trees and use that wood. I think the local sawmills don't charge for sawdust. Waste motor oil. Also, the way they distilled it the first time is by starting a fire at first, then using the gas fraction from the tires to do a lot of the work. Oil is actually very low in price right now, while gas is very high. Why? Oil company profits.
They built a still, and they are distilling the tire crude.. it is a very similar process that is used at an oil refinery..
It is a Lada, I believe it would run on the crude oil just as well :)
Only issue is keeping the engine clean and healthy
thank you for being crazy genius!
much love & respect!
I wonder if filtering your synth gas would remove a lot of the particulates and maybe the rubber bits still suspended in the solution. Small filter like 10 micron or something. Not sure what it would typically be filtered at.
You could use a standard fuel filter at some point in the process and keep one on the carb line to help with that also
@@mobilegameclips5628 I was thinking maybe even a regular oil filter might help clean it up.
@@PhattyMo I’m not sure the differences in filtration but diesel oil filters are big screw on filters much like an oil filter so if anything you could use one of those.
It's wild that this popped up today. Just earlier I drove past this guy's house who used to turn recycled plastic into penetrating spray for nuts n such when I worked in a garage. It was some of the best stuff that I ever used and I just happened to be thinking about that not even 2 hours before seeing this.
Probably needs different ignition timing for the fuel if not different jetting.
It reminds me of leaded vs unleaded fuel. Leaded smelled funky and had lots of power compared to unleaded. Maybe a bit more refining will improve the smell, but at the sacrifice of some of the HP.
I hope you are going to get your condenser further away from your pot. Id hate to see a flashback. Awesome video as always though. 4:51
Respect for all jur experiment
Especialy dhe lada expefiments
Being that it seems to run alot richer, can you advance the timing a bit to clean up the burn and gain a few extra ponies?
activated charcoal, and a filter should remove odor and large particles.
distilling should remove more solids and viscous materials in each loop, 3 times is usually a rule of thumb or best practice for spirits.
they place 3 stills in line with each other. the final steps of each have their own filter medium to pass through. and it cycles around. the longer it runs the cleaner and more pure it gets.
Just solved the tyre problem
Always amazing on this channel never a dull moment.love it.
So another words in a post apocalypse mad max world, an effective fuel is not difficult to make. I'm surprised with the last test.
I love this channel. Always interesting to watch.
Greetings from Sweden
You should filter the left over crude and try running it in a Diesel.
There should be a different carbon connections formula wise, some of amonia, h2s, diesel and vacuum distilate leftowers and the octane count should be way off in this unstable untreated petroleum fraction. After running additional distilation process you should get a cleaner petroleum fraction eliminating part of that rubbery residue
You can take the colouring out of red diesel with cat litter so I dare say you will be able to do the same to clean the petrol. Try it in your next video please 👍❤️💛💚
Is that how people get away with using un-taxed diesel in a regular truck?
That was amazing! Really I love the videos you guys do
Nilered should try chemistry part of this
Isoprene has two double bonds and those are the soot . Probably had sulphur and some random polymers that. Perhaps a little cyclic hydrocarbons
It would be interesting to use that fuel on a modern fuel injection car as well. You’re using an old Lada carb engine. 😀
You may have been able to get even more distance on the synthetic fuel if you ran a little leaner. While I'm not completely sure of this but, it appears that it required more oxygen.
..just wonder, how much is spent in the stove gas to extract it..
Yes i wonder too.
If they were serious about making the synthetic gasoline all the time, they would propably make a larger apparatus heated by burning waste wood.
I have my 2 stroke 135cc motorcycle engine once filled with gasoline on a small retailer about 5 or 7 years ago. Here in Indonesia a lot of small fuel retailer got their supply by buying from nearest fuel station about 40 to 80 liters daily. But this time, the rubber gasket on my fuel valve/fuel cock (under my fuel tank) is leaking. I thought the rubber leak must be from different chemical from the gasoline.
Then few months later i found out a used tire pyrolysis plant about 10 km away from the retailer is already in operation for some times. Perhaps he bought the gasoline from that plant for cheaper buy and bigger profit.
I didn't notice any engine performance difference since i used the motorcycle just for commuting transportation (not for racing), i just noticed that the gasoline is a bit harsh to rubber. But the rubber hose from fuel tank to the carburetor was just fine, maybe because the hose is made with different type of rubber.
Based on the burn and the heat in the cup, I'd say you made 115-120 octane, ill bet if you tuned it /adjusted the timing you'd get much better results.
Holy crap, that’s awesome!
are you in any way a expert?
@@blackdaan mechanic, and I did have a race car and have knowledge about high octane fuel.
@@christianfritz6333 just out of interest 😅.. I don't know what's up with this fuel but it seems better indeed. But is it because of octane.. idk
@@blackdaan I'm no scientist, but as I understand it raw refined gasoline has an octane of 100, based on the hydrocarbons in crude oil. Now. This fuel was made from tires I didn't watch the process video, but since he keeps referring to it as synthetic fuel and knowing that there are polymers and elastomers as well as carbon from the vulcanization in tires I'm going to assume there are other hydrocarbons in the mixture, hydrocarbons boost octane.
Also the higher the octane the more heat and the slower the burn. So that's how I came to the conclusion that the octane is higher.
you can also use plastic trash too
It was so close to right. There needs to be a column thats wider above the heating vessel. It should be cool enough to allow for some condensation, but not so thin that the condensate fills up and pushes through. This allows evaporates with similar vapor points to separate. Then, you use smaller collection vessels to collect the distillates. The first flask will have your more volitile components, usually the smelliest bits come over early. Adding ice to the water would help, as well as Adding height to the first column.
I don't understand why a ceramic cup on top of an engine bay full of flammable rubber hoses and such is the choice location for the "test burn". Perhaps they wanted to create tension? Either way, fun video. Thanks!
Outstanding work, men! Sending much respect from the United States!
Way to go, how about using plastics to make your fuel and see what the result are.
Thank you for enduring the risk of explosion & burnt tire smells for us... cool experiment.
Works exactly like my alcohol still
Right 😅 mine too but I'd never run that condenser so close to the pot.
@@SocketSlingermake the copper pipe longer?
Para quitarle el olor y refinarlo lavalo dos veces con sosa disuelto en agua. Posteriormente agrega 7%de etanol para oxigenar y listo... Saludos desd México!
I be curious what the CO² / emissions readings would be like with that fuel ?
[ Edit] + the many other types of "emissions" given off...
Don't forget the SO² produced, there is a lot of sulfur in tires.
@@Vepnar Corrected my post. Cheers.
The setup you have used is a basic distillation system. In this type of setup collect gasoline only between ambient temperature and maximum 120 degC. Kerosene will be like 120 to 150 and then diesel from 150 to 210.
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It looks like the Emilianenko brothers business change of direction. The Emilianenkos diesel garage!
Oil companies want to know your location 😤
it helps there are addatives in pump gas such as lead or some other chems and its cut with ethanol.
Look into a process called ( thermal depolymization) it was an article in discovery science mag in the 90s
Basically a grinder pressure cooker using high pressure steam to break down things. They built a plant at the butter ball turkey factory for processing all the organic waste they get light sweet crude oil from the process that still needs to be refined. Just spit balling ideas.
Great video