Jackie Coogan, the actor (Uncle Fester in the Adams Family) was a glider pilot with the 1st Air Commando Group, supplying the Chindits landing behind enemy lines. My Dad, a medic attached to the Paras mentioned seeing him out there. Maybe piloting the glider you showed?
He was also married to Betty Grable, they had a nasty divorce and during the war he would shake hands with people and say, you just shook the hand that holds the Pr**k that Fu**ked Betty Grable!
@@nagoranerides3150 Yes, and most of his earnings were squandered by his mother and stepfather, which later led to the passage of legislation nicknamed The Coogan Law. It mandates that 15% of a child actor's earnings must be placed in a trust account until he or she reaches adulthood.
I never imagined that I'd get so much out of a discussion of fictional characters' medals. This is a great idea, well executed. 3:55 That defile looks like something dreamed up by a Hollywood set designer. It is so perfect for an ambush. I must say that I'm not shocked to hear that the British struggled, yet again, to "pacify" Afghanistan. It is definitely a place that Empires go to fail.
Very interesting and appropriate.My father had these identical medals. He served in Wana and Razmak, and Burma. Congratulations on your perfect pronunciation of place names and tribes . As a boy I lived in India for 14 years and still have vivid memories of that diverse and tumultuous country
I think "Gloria" took a blow to the head and it erm turned him into a real blood and guts soldier . After his adventure with Williams he got another crack on the noggin turning him into his theatrical self. When he was awarded the oak leaves the pin stabbed him and he fainted. It's been many years since I saw that episode. It was my favourite.
Lance Corporal Jones "Dads Army" next. "Permission to speak sir" "Don't Panic" his medals include 1. 1882 Egypt War Medal 2. 1895 India GSM 3. 1897 Sudan Medal 4. 1899 Queens South Africa Medal 5. 1901 Kings South Africa Medal 6. 1908 India GSM 7. 1914-15 Trio Star 8. Great War Medal 9. World War I Victory Medal 10. Army LSGC 11. 1882 Khedives Star 12. 1897 Khedives Sudan Medal
Thanks for the sharing his medals and feedback. I've had multiple requests for L-Cpl Jones now so it's on my to-do list. I've got a couple of videos to get through that I've already started researching for then I will start work on it.
For more on what life was like in the British Army serving with the Gurkhas on the Indian frontier before the war I highly recommend John Masters' first memoir "Bugles and a Tiger". For a description of life fighting in Burma with the Chindits during WWII, I recommend his second memoir "Road Past Mandalay".
A few years ago I was finally able to buy these two books, which were recommended to me during my university studies, from a second-hand bookshop. As they were recommended to me, I am only too happy to recommend both volumes here. The first book, "Bugles and a Tiger", gives an insight into the life of the British troops serving in India, but also into the life in this British colony before the Second World War, when the European colonialism reached its high point and at the same time its end point. The book also includes insights into the life in the United Kingdom and into the training of the future commissioned officers in the British Army. Also of great interest are the journeys, which took John Masters as far as Japan. The same recommendation must be given to "The Road past Mandalay". Here the John Masters describes not only the battles at the front, which often demanded tough decisions by the commanders, but also the general life in times of war and the war´s effects on the people during the 1940s. From today's perspective some things seem exotic, strange and weird, but other are even today familiar. Furthermore the reader must revise some modern prejudices about this period. So for example British officers were not exclusively recruited from the rich nobility - John Masters´ father was a retired lieutenant-colonel, but he had to work hard to earn the necessary money for his family. John Masters, who also reached the rank of a lieutenant-colonel, left the British Army in 1948 to work as a writer. I do not know whether the two books are still in print, but if you find them, you should buy them at once. One last thing: John Masters became famous among the Gurkas as "the Sahib who shot the Bakloh tiger", after he shot in 1938 a tiger, that had killed a Gurka.
You mention the MID, this would be worn on a ribbon of the same material as that of the BD tunic where no campaign medal/ribbon was yet authorised UNTIL that ribbon was available. another great video explaining medals worn by our movie/TV heros.
Like most CSM's and RSMs I knew back in my day...never cared who was offended and never gave 2 hoots what came out of their mouths and always shouted... when life was simpler and fun 😂😂😂
The long service and good conduct medal also had a different ribbon during the reign of Victoria, being fully crimson. I personally have an example belonging to a Charles Fuller of the Coldstream Regiment of Guards. I inherited it along with his MSM and Crimea pair. His Turkish Crimea medal is slightly odd, having a swivel suspension rather than the ring suspension most have.
Thanks for sharing. I had a brief look at the Turkish Crimea Medal and the campaign in the Crimea in my video on Lord Chelmsford if you haven't already watched it.
@@ClaspsofCourage it was a good video, very interesting. Do you know anything about the Meritorious Service Medal, I've heard it's rare but I don't know more than that.
I don't know about your summary of Williams in Burma, I feel he may have been there in a peripheral role, more on the tail than the tooth end of the action - probably in an arms depot. After all in one episode he gets the party lost and suffers from heat stroke, hardly the actions of a seasoned veteran. I also remember my cadet O/C saying about the LSGC (which he possessed) that it was an award for "12 years of undetected crime"!
I think this is a possible scenario, considering he ends up as the SNCO for the concert party, sort of keep him out of harms way posting, although maybe we could give him a slightly more noble back story, where he served with distinction, but those in command noticed him suffering from combat stress, (which was understood to some extent at the time) so posted him to the concert party instead of getting a medical discharge, something that would have finished him. It seems a common thing to play down your medals, when I was a cadet we had a Civilian Instructor who had been awarded the Air Force Cross, we wouldn't have known, but the Sqn CO always put AFC after his name, so us curious teenage boys had to ask, but all he just would ever say on the subject was he got it for total stupidity. Which when some years later I found out what it was awarded for, I agreed with him to some extent, but his brave or possibly reckless action played a major part in saving several lives.
I seem to remember a visit to the Tower of London where the tourist marshalling Beefeater pointedly mentioned that "and this 1 is for (something like) 30 years of undetected crime!"
It must have been so frustrating for a man who earned his warrant in such an environment as the NW Frontier, to end his service as BSM to a concert party. No wonder he shouted so much!
He actually seemed quite disturbed. I think his back story is that he was one of the first groups to move out from a position that was later overrun by the Japanese and he wanted to return and avenge the deaths and capture of many of his comrades. Probably based on one or more people Perry knew when he was in India.
I'm confused! If this series IAHHM was set in the final years of WW II how would you be wearing the 1939-45 Star and the Burma Star when they hadn't been established till August 1945?
The 1939-45 star was originally the 1939-43 star the medal was to be issued after hostilities had ended however the medal ribbon was issued and could be worn. My late father in law an RAF air gunner was sporting the ribbon on his tunic in photos taken in 1944. I don’t think it was the case with other medals/ medal ribbons so seeing him with the Burma Star medal ribbon may well be a mistake in the same way the concert party were issued Lee Enfield no5 rifles when they were finally posted up the jungle
The Commando beret has always been lovat green, from its inception as a force. So if you look up an Royal Marine picture. You will see the colour. I have seen several colours for the beretin various pictures. Possibly due to 70s lighting and camera's. I presume it is meant to be Khaki. As for the badge. Its the Royal Artillery Officers COLLAR badge aka collar dogs. Which was used as a cap badge for a while as well. RA Collar Badge Worn by Officers in gold & silver embroidery on a red background on the Coloured Field Service Cap and in bronze on the Service Dress collar & Drab Field Service Cap. Used in brass by OR’s on the Service Dress collar & Field Service Cap (1941-43). Worn on the General Service Cap by some units (post 1943). BSM William's rank is Warrant Officer II. From: ra39-45.co.uk/insignia/regimental-insignia for pics and a bit more detail.
His beret has a Grenadier badge. Which is even more puzzling as he is with the RA. But I guess the BBC reckoned that viewers would trifle over that wee detail.
The cap badge does seem to be RA the motto 'Ubique' is difficult to make out but it's a very that doesn't feature the famous cannon but last I knew the RA had royal blue berets his is definitely RM green.
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'I Will NOT HAVE POOFERY IN THIS JUNGLE!'😂
NEVER IN ALL MY LIFE!!!
My favourite was " blatant display of poofery."😂
"Oh dear, how sad. Never mind."
Jackie Coogan, the actor (Uncle Fester in the Adams Family) was a glider pilot with the 1st Air Commando Group, supplying the Chindits landing behind enemy lines. My Dad, a medic attached to the Paras mentioned seeing him out there. Maybe piloting the glider you showed?
Coogan also played the title role in Chaplin's The Kid in 1921 at the age of 7 - the first child-star? Interesting life.
I didn't know that about Coogan. Thanks for sharing!
He was also married to Betty Grable, they had a nasty divorce and during the war he would shake hands with people and say, you just shook the hand that holds the Pr**k that Fu**ked Betty Grable!
Being a glider pilot was one of the most dangerous occupations in WW2.
@@nagoranerides3150 Yes, and most of his earnings were squandered by his mother and stepfather, which later led to the passage of legislation nicknamed The Coogan Law. It mandates that 15% of a child actor's earnings must be placed in a trust account until he or she reaches adulthood.
Wonderful! Can you have a look at the medal ribbons that Mr. Mackay wears in Porridge?
Great video. R.I.P. Windsor Davies.
I never imagined that I'd get so much out of a discussion of fictional characters' medals. This is a great idea, well executed.
3:55 That defile looks like something dreamed up by a Hollywood set designer. It is so perfect for an ambush.
I must say that I'm not shocked to hear that the British struggled, yet again, to "pacify" Afghanistan. It is definitely a place that Empires go to fail.
Very interesting and appropriate.My father had these identical medals. He served in Wana and Razmak, and Burma. Congratulations on your perfect pronunciation of place names and tribes . As a boy I lived in India for 14 years and still have vivid memories of that diverse and tumultuous country
That's really interesting about your father's military career - what a coincidence on the awards! Thanks for sharing.
“SHUT UPPPP!” Classic show, very good stuff mate :)
Mister Lah-Dee-Dah Gunner Graham!
Thanks, much appreciated.
@@cabdude2 I love the way you tube has added 'Translate to English' at the bottom of your comment! Lol
It would be interesting to see a companion video about the medals of Sgt Major Bloomer from Carry on England.
I think "Gloria" took a blow to the head and it erm turned him into a real blood and guts soldier . After his adventure with Williams he got another crack on the noggin turning him into his theatrical self. When he was awarded the oak leaves the pin stabbed him and he fainted. It's been many years since I saw that episode. It was my favourite.
Yet another great video, thanks for the interesting upload.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
One of the most iconic series ever
Could you do Captain Edmund Blackadder? It'll be interesting to see if the mentions of service in Africa are echoed in his ribbons.
Great suggestion, I will add it to the list. Thanks.
"Interesting thought, make a note of it Darling."
"Wibble."
Lance Corporal Jones "Dads Army" next.
"Permission to speak sir" "Don't Panic" his medals include
1. 1882 Egypt War Medal
2. 1895 India GSM
3. 1897 Sudan Medal
4. 1899 Queens South Africa Medal
5. 1901 Kings South Africa Medal
6. 1908 India GSM
7. 1914-15 Trio Star
8. Great War Medal
9. World War I Victory Medal
10. Army LSGC
11. 1882 Khedives Star
12. 1897 Khedives Sudan Medal
Thanks for the sharing his medals and feedback. I've had multiple requests for L-Cpl Jones now so it's on my to-do list. I've got a couple of videos to get through that I've already started researching for then I will start work on it.
The history chap has done an excellent one on Corporal Jones and more on the rest of the cast
great episode and very interesting. thanks.
Yet another excellent,, well-researched video on one of the best channels on TH-cam. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for those kind words, much appreciated. I'm glad you are enjoying the videos.
I love this show
Yes, he did it!!!! Thanks a lot.
For more on what life was like in the British Army serving with the Gurkhas on the Indian frontier before the war I highly recommend John Masters' first memoir "Bugles and a Tiger". For a description of life fighting in Burma with the Chindits during WWII, I recommend his second memoir "Road Past Mandalay".
A few years ago I was finally able to buy these two books, which were recommended to me during my university studies, from a second-hand bookshop. As they were recommended to me, I am only too happy to recommend both volumes here. The first book, "Bugles and a Tiger", gives an insight into the life of the British troops serving in India, but also into the life in this British colony before the Second World War, when the European colonialism reached its high point and at the same time its end point. The book also includes insights into the life in the United Kingdom and into the training of the future commissioned officers in the British Army. Also of great interest are the journeys, which took John Masters as far as Japan. The same recommendation must be given to "The Road past Mandalay". Here the John Masters describes not only the battles at the front, which often demanded tough decisions by the commanders, but also the general life in times of war and the war´s effects on the people during the 1940s. From today's perspective some things seem exotic, strange and weird, but other are even today familiar. Furthermore the reader must revise some modern prejudices about this period. So for example British officers were not exclusively recruited from the rich nobility - John Masters´ father was a retired lieutenant-colonel, but he had to work hard to earn the necessary money for his family. John Masters, who also reached the rank of a lieutenant-colonel, left the British Army in 1948 to work as a writer. I do not know whether the two books are still in print, but if you find them, you should buy them at once. One last thing: John Masters became famous among the Gurkas as "the Sahib who shot the Bakloh tiger", after he shot in 1938 a tiger, that had killed a Gurka.
You mention the MID, this would be worn on a ribbon of the same material as that of the BD tunic where no campaign medal/ribbon was yet authorised UNTIL that ribbon was available. another great video explaining medals worn by our movie/TV heros.
I am assuming however that some of his medals would only have been awarded post-war, but for most of the series, the war is still going
Another great video!
I really look forward to your videos coming out.
I hadn't thought about that show in years 😅😊
Thanks John, I appreciate all your positive comments over the last few weeks. I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
Great stuff! Keep up the good work 👏👏👏
Thanks Jim, much appreciated
Any chance of you having a look at the medals seen in the classic American series M*A*S*H*
Like most CSM's and RSMs I knew back in my day...never cared who was offended and never gave 2 hoots what came out of their mouths and always shouted... when life was simpler and fun 😂😂😂
The long service and good conduct medal also had a different ribbon during the reign of Victoria, being fully crimson. I personally have an example belonging to a Charles Fuller of the Coldstream Regiment of Guards. I inherited it along with his MSM and Crimea pair.
His Turkish Crimea medal is slightly odd, having a swivel suspension rather than the ring suspension most have.
Thanks for sharing. I had a brief look at the Turkish Crimea Medal and the campaign in the Crimea in my video on Lord Chelmsford if you haven't already watched it.
@@ClaspsofCourage it was a good video, very interesting.
Do you know anything about the Meritorious Service Medal, I've heard it's rare but I don't know more than that.
I don't know about your summary of Williams in Burma, I feel he may have been there in a peripheral role, more on the tail than the tooth end of the action - probably in an arms depot. After all in one episode he gets the party lost and suffers from heat stroke, hardly the actions of a seasoned veteran.
I also remember my cadet O/C saying about the LSGC (which he possessed) that it was an award for "12 years of undetected crime"!
I think this is a possible scenario, considering he ends up as the SNCO for the concert party, sort of keep him out of harms way posting, although maybe we could give him a slightly more noble back story, where he served with distinction, but those in command noticed him suffering from combat stress, (which was understood to some extent at the time) so posted him to the concert party instead of getting a medical discharge, something that would have finished him.
It seems a common thing to play down your medals, when I was a cadet we had a Civilian Instructor who had been awarded the Air Force Cross, we wouldn't have known, but the Sqn CO always put AFC after his name, so us curious teenage boys had to ask, but all he just would ever say on the subject was he got it for total stupidity. Which when some years later I found out what it was awarded for, I agreed with him to some extent, but his brave or possibly reckless action played a major part in saving several lives.
@@medler2110 I knew Cdr. P. 'Hoagy' Carmichael - he played down his DSC.
I seem to remember a visit to the Tower of London where the tourist marshalling Beefeater pointedly mentioned that "and this 1 is for (something like) 30 years of undetected crime!"
It must have been so frustrating for a man who earned his warrant in such an environment as the NW Frontier, to end his service as BSM to a concert party. No
wonder he shouted so much!
He actually seemed quite disturbed. I think his back story is that he was one of the first groups to move out from a position that was later overrun by the Japanese and he wanted to return and avenge the deaths and capture of many of his comrades.
Probably based on one or more people Perry knew when he was in India.
The sergeant did service in 2 other 1970s warmovies.
I sport a set of handlebars myself, and a feel a bit of affinity for the BSM. (Less the bigotry) SSM(NATO),QGJM, CD2
How about the guy who's prison Warden in comedy series Porridge. He always wears his ribbons.
i want to know what medals Col Klink had on Hogan's Hero's.
Kline has 1939 spang with iron cross ww1
In reference to the Chindits I think you meant to say Major General Orde Wingate.
Oh dear
How sad
Never mind
😂😂😂😂
I worked in a primary school for the past 20 years, and that was my go to line whenever a child came to me with some ridiculous complaint!!!
Would he not also have qualified for the Defence Medal?
I think you left out his full name Sgt Major Tudor Williams
Mr. La Dee Dah Gunner Graham😂
I'm confused! If this series IAHHM was set in the final years of WW II how would you be wearing the 1939-45 Star and the Burma Star when they hadn't been established till August 1945?
The 1939-45 star was originally the 1939-43 star the medal was to be issued after hostilities had ended however the medal ribbon was issued and could be worn. My late father in law an RAF air gunner was sporting the ribbon on his tunic in photos taken in 1944. I don’t think it was the case with other medals/ medal ribbons so seeing him with the Burma Star medal ribbon may well be a mistake in the same way the concert party were issued Lee Enfield no5 rifles when they were finally posted up the jungle
@@JBC-zv8fn Wasn't promulgated till after the War. I'm sure of that! Nit-picking I know. Dramatic licence.
@@thingme9941 It doesn't spoil what is for me one of the best comedy shows ever to have been made
Can anyone explain Williams beret and badge? It looks like a RM Commando beret. He was obviously RA.😊
The Commando beret has always been lovat green, from its inception as a force. So if you look up an Royal Marine picture. You will see the colour. I have seen several colours for the beretin various pictures. Possibly due to 70s lighting and camera's. I presume it is meant to be Khaki. As for the badge. Its the Royal Artillery Officers COLLAR badge aka collar dogs. Which was used as a cap badge for a while as well.
RA Collar Badge
Worn by Officers in gold & silver embroidery on a red background on the Coloured Field Service Cap and in bronze on the Service Dress collar & Drab Field Service Cap.
Used in brass by OR’s on the Service Dress collar & Field Service Cap (1941-43). Worn on the General Service Cap by some units (post 1943).
BSM William's rank is Warrant Officer II.
From:
ra39-45.co.uk/insignia/regimental-insignia for pics and a bit more detail.
His beret has a Grenadier badge. Which is even more puzzling as he is with the RA. But I guess the BBC reckoned that viewers would trifle over that wee detail.
@commandingjudgedredd1841 You'd think that Jimmy Perry would have known what badges to use considering he served out there.
Royal artillery Ubique moto badge, means everywhere
The cap badge does seem to be RA the motto 'Ubique' is difficult to make out but it's a very that doesn't feature the famous cannon but last I knew the RA had royal blue berets his is definitely RM green.
I would be interested in King Charles Medals and just how did he really get them (cornflakes box??).
If you want a laugh look up where the Royal family's medals come from...
They came from Mummy and before that Daddy
Weirdly the only two of the current lot who earned theirs have been written out of the script.
@@ceciljohnrhodes4987 and Prince Philip being no more
Tommy Shelby from “Peaky Blinders”?
Even though he “threw them in the cut”.
Interesting I've never watched the series but will check it out and perhaps add it in future, thanks for the suggestion.
:)
Blatant poofery!
Bigotry? He’s from his time you seem to be the ageist. ‘Shoulders back my boy!’