By the way, i'm not going to make a full deltarune take, i just thought the concept was neat, and wanted to do it I don't know if i'm going to expand the lore of this guy, because i still have other projects going on right now, so i hope you guys understand
The idea of a character that can only speak to the player gives me two ideas on how it's conveyed. Either A) Their text isn't displayed through any of the traditional ways text is portrayed in Deltarune, or B) they literally SPEAK to the player with voice lines while their text box remains empty, which would be conditionally terrifying
I love that this secret boss uses the switch soul because the unnoficial trait the community has associated it with is "JOY". The total opposite that this guy feels and what he needs
It also would fit the pattern of the 2 secret bosses we’ve seen so far being the exact opposite of their associated soul trait. Determination has two different interpretations: either it represents willpower, or it represents destiny, aka one’s determined fate Jevil is both nihilistic, as in they lost their determination, and they have broken free by locking themselves away, defying their fate. Spamton is not a good person, nor one that follows the law, and their ultimate fate is unjustified, their life being the opposite of Justice.
@@apollyonnoctis1291 i feel like for spamtons case its more so because of the fact he was so fucked over constantly by life unjustly, at every turn he couldnt catch a break. the only reason the way he is when we find him and the reason he does stuff is out of desperation and also insanity. so i feel like hes a good guy who was fucked over by life and now acts poorly. because he seemed to be a good person before, well, mystery man intervened. so his life was full of injustice towards him. its sad. and edit: if your curious why i think this way, watch JaruJaruJ's analysis on spamton. its really well done.
So from what I understand, the boss is actually trying to unalive himself, and it's the Fun Gang's job to prevent him from doing so, while he is trying to kill them to prevent *that.* This has to be the darkest secret boss concept I've seen yet.
@@lexcentrique2554 Solis is a bad example, they have way more to them than just being goofy. they're actually one of my favorites for this reason, having a great balance of goofiness and seriousness scampton is just kinda zany though
@torchdreemurr4082 Still, the speech pattern is very much... unoriginal. It's just too zany and without any context as for why a sun dial would talk this way. At least the typing quirk ain't so bad and the serious part are REALLY SMART.
I love the "Conner glares into the waters below him, then turns to you the same way" flavour text, because Mad Mew Mew has flavour text about glaring into an elaborate pink mirror that's basically the exact same- which is a neat reference due to Conner using the "Switch" SOUL.
good theming, very powerful contrast between the cheery music and the suicidal character. I love it when the line between superficial and life threatening blurs
Btw I LOVE the concept of this guy being a silent movie character, but playing on that by making it so that only YOU the player can hear him, so he's silent to everyone else That's so sick dude, I'm a huge huge fan
*P-please, Kris. You don't have to bother me anymore. I'm fine being alone from everyone. Give balloons / Say sorry *(You gave Conner the balloons.) *Wha- for, for me? *It feels... nice. *Thanks, Kris... *And... enjoy your tour... (Later) Ralsei *Wow, it's beautiful! *The view is amazing! Susie *Actually, this might not be so bad after all. *The sunset, the hills, *... flying cats... *... *WAIT, CATS?!?! *(You see Conner flying in the distance with the balloons.)
i love how the freedom motif is like, mixed with conner's theme, in a way which shows desperation, and hopelessness, it REALLY shows how far gone he really is.
1:57 "My... whole... life... is a co-me-dy..." "...for everyone so... listen to, me" "WHEN THE LIGHT IS LOW, AND THE SHADOW'S START TO GROW, AND THE PLACES THAT YOU GO, SEEMS LIKE FAN-TA-SY, so just STAY WITH YOUR CLOSE ONES, AND STAY WITH ALL YOUR OWN FRIENDS, WITH THE TRUTH... THE PROMISE FOR my heaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAART"
I just realized. the part of the song 0:55 - 1:20 is really sounds like freedom motif, but it isn't, it's like he didn't want to accept the true reality of the world and tried to save his identity, not trying to become insane, but in the end he loose. The "don't forget" part so fits him tho! (Sorry for my poor choice of words)
Very interesting take you have here! Love the music and artwork its a real chef's kiss. It also reminded me of "Curiosity killed the cat" I like to think Conner was that curious cat back then :)
Love how the "Dont forget" morif here somewhat gives some lyrics that fit to the song, which conner can't sing directly (Unlike the salesman) due to what you stablished earlier: "When the light is running low And the shadows start to grow And the places that you know Seem like fantasy" This part might reffer to the fact that he knows he's in a videogame, he knows that he is just a tv character, and that he knows he is a darkner that doesn't really exist in the light world. "There's a light inside your soul That's still shining in the cold With the truth The promise in our hearts" This could both make an allusion to a promise kris and the soul made to Conner that we'll see in a bit and a little wordplay with the fact that it is the switch soul: The joy-cons have a little light on the inner flat part for when they are used separately and because of how they are set in the switch soul, they would be "inside your soul" "Don't forget I'm with you in the dark" This is the promise that kris/the soul made, that we gotta not forget Conner's tv show, even if the tv is off, just like his life
Very early to this banger :0 Just made a realization The line "Conner tried to scream, but nobody heard him" is interesting cuz like Did he actually scream? Why couldn't be heard, the Fun Gang is right there? Idk I think it'z koolio
It's because he's most likely an copy-cat of Pete from Steamboat Willy. Also, old cartoons didn't talk for the most part, so it's technically more like an "I try to scream but I had no mouth" type of thing.
Considering Chapter 3 is supposed to take place in a television-style Dark World, I wouldn't be surprised if the next secret boss is kinda like this aesthetically
oh. OH. THAT'S FUCKED UP. NEVER SAW IT LIKE THAT NOW I FEEL LIKE CRYING HJOLY SHIT i've always seen it as him feeling too overwhelmed that he started throwing up because people can do this somehow THIS ONE MAKES IT SO MUCH WORSE I LOVE IT
Easily in my top 5 deltarune secret boss themes! Not a single part of this song sounds anything less than amazing, keep up the absolutely incredible work!
The freedom motif is hidden REALLY well here. Honestly makes it feel like Conner lost his shot at freedom. Something like it being more prominent with Jevil [that being his main motif] because he found his freedom, and with Spamton [who has the motif prominent in the middle of the song] because he's basically on the verge of his freedom. Conner meanwhile just wants to not deal with the knowledge. Guy doesn't want to be free and suppresses the motif down into his own. If anyone doesn't know where the motif is btw, it starts at the cut to the main art from the battle at 0:55 and ends at the cut back to the battle at 1:20 It's hard to tell that it's even the Freedom Motif at all since it's mixed in surprisingly well, but it has the same general rhythm and such. The "Don't Forget" motif is ALSO here which I think is fun [starts at around 2:10 at the cut to the main art again]
dude the more i rewatch this over and over again i begin to notice really clever details i love how you gave him 9 balloons because cats are believed to have 9 lives, when i found out about it i started freaking out anyways blue, i really really love yours songs, covers... just everything you do so much especially conner i hope you expand on conner if you have the time to i need to see more of him
I like the idea so much! it's such an original concept and I like his description as a character. Besides, he's so cute :') And as always, your animation is amazing. great job!
Honestly this is a VERY COOL Concept, I could Imagen this guy being a Switch Exclusive Secret Secret Boss lol. Havent seen any Secret Boss using that Switch Soulmode so far, so its a nice breath of Fresh Air.
Conner is genuinely a super awesome take on a secret boss , genuinely its so dark how you're basically trying to stop him from ending himself its...so dark but i feel like it could fit so well with Deltarune, that and THE MUSIC SLAPS SO HARD!
The line "he looks at the dark and then to you the same way." Is profoundly terrifying to me. He knows some way or another he's likely going to die here, or even worse, that he sees living just as horrible as the death he's dangling above
I kinda did something where my own au responded differently to becoming a secret boss. He is the only one who is "sane" in the traditional sense but he is not actually taking it very well specifically because he is trying to hide everything about the shadow crystal to keep his place and reputation as a dark world leader and he is the blue soul/integrity and his whole hiding everything about the mysterious person to look sane falls in line with integrity.
@@Raster_RasperHe actually gets a sort of character arc in chapter 6 if you beat him as a secret boss where he realizes that his connections to others and hope are more important than freedom and that standing up for his beliefs even when they don't really do anything is more fulfilling than hiding away. He also kinda threatens Kris to not go into the basement where everything is hidden sort of like how sans threatens frisk on any route. I occasionally speak as him LIKE *THIS* so he is sort of a "mascot." He is a cash register in the light world. Honestly his speech quirk is unoriginal but I've spoken so much as him that it would be jarring to change it. He might also be more assertive in the weird route but not as hopefull or willing to have connections in a world that doesn't matter. He is likely much more difficult and may or may not be the "sans" of this route I haven't decided. Btw he is in chapter 5. When you reach the hidden basement area he finds you and has an extreme mental breakdown. Also his name is Pawn which is not only a tie with chess theory but a pawn is someone controlled by another which reflects him as a secret boss.
Btw a few ideas I haven't fully talked about are other secret boss concepts which may conflict for timeline reasons. Green soul flower pirate who wants to conquer regardless of the harm and just wants to do so with Kris. A woody theory secret boss which is purple soul. Btw they probably have beef because pirates vs cowboys. And finally Chapter 6 idea The gang comprised of swappable characters akin to persona 5 split to cover more ground to find an opening towards where the knight is in the bunker dark world. Kris travels alone along a path of difficult(scales between chapters) enemy encounters until a monochromatic someone appears who is familiar but not at the same time. They say they are late for something which is weird for when the world is at stake. He tells you he is a detective and before he goes he says that it is nice for meeting you to kris who is confused as to why the person knows their name and they just brush it off saying that it was a gut feeling. IT W A S NOT J U S T A G U T FEELING
Hear me out, the balloons he’s held up by are symbolic of black&white cartoons being pushed back by color cartoons. That’s why the only grey balloon is in the back, covered by others, but still out of place. (Ik it’s a stretch but know.)
YESSs omg more secret bosses!! and this one is CCATTTTT i really like how the song is accompanied with so much artwork and even a special attack this inspires me to finish my stuff. reminds me of why i wanted to make a secret boss..
@ulc_UV_Swap_sans im sorry 😔 i cant get you what you need 😔 i am not the kind of person to know a lot about😔 glasses 😭 i cannot 😔 help yo find the right one😭😔 i do not have a job, i have yet 😔 to finish school😔
@@Former_time_all_around I mean, leitmotifs don't really have a "canon" name. People realized that both secret bosses talked about freedom, and in their fights the text says "The air crackles with freedom", so people decided to relate them to freedom. And you have to admit that "The freedom leitmotif" sounds better than "the secret boss leitmotif".
"So you tried to hear us out?,, "THATS SO FUNNY,, "HAHHAHAHA,, "YEARS APON YEARS OF BEGGING,, "AND ONLY NOW CAN I BE HEARD,, "WHEN IM DANGLING FOR MY LIFE,,
I really like this, the animation, the music, the everything! Also the way he frowns in contrast to the previous superbosses is definitely an extremely interesting idea.
Genocide text Nine balloons nine lives All the more to ruin Conner tried to scream, but you ignored him The wind is howling Howling with screams Howling in suffering Conner glares to the water,then looks at you the same way, but worse LETS SHARE MY FATE TOGETHER Just a hat left Pick it up? 【Yes]
this theme actually goes so hard and the concept is so smart. i also love conner's design!! that tune you made for his motif is actually so bouncy and catchy, im going to be listening to this on loop for awhiiiiiile
Let me get this straight Some person was told about the secrets of the world and this cat became depressed as hell so he wants to kill himself now but the fun gang will not do that so they try to make him resist the death he will be in and he doesn’t like that so he will try attacking you? Y’know, that is something I would be depressed to. I mean that’s depressing
2:09 *here's the light is always low, and the shadows never grow, and those places that i know, seem so co-lour-less. But here comes light inside your soul, that can back colours to home, with a howl-ing freedom in our hearts.
Beautiful, love how this is totally original not only in the background and arena, but also of the use of the split soul and character. I'd like to know how you do that animation when you bring Conner or have him flying, it's fantastic.
The fact that this a truely creative interpretation of the leitmotifs of Deltarune is my favorite part. Most boss AU people take a melody, throw the FREEDOM motif in there for effect, and call it a day. BUT NO. You actually took what you were given, and made something genuinely original from it. And for that, I applaud you. ❤
I went far enough to make a way to unlock him: 1:there is a weapon called the reel gun, you have to find it 2:there may be a way to get on the boat, but without the reel, you can't find Conner,if you do,then you prevent him from...canceling himself by trapping him in the reel 3:beat a boss by only fighting, then go back to the boat, and go to a city with a store,then buy ballons and a video player, then go back on the boat, and for 19 seconds and 28 milliseconds, go to edge of the boat,with the reel equipped, then kris will accidentally put there balloon, reel,and video player in the water, starting the boss
I imagine unlike the others, this dude would talk in a plain, lowercase font. Not too disimilar to sans, but with a more somber tone to it. - "just leave me be already" - "kris, why did you do this to us?" - "the day that man arrived, he promised me freedom" -"whats the point of freedom though if there aint anywhere to be free?'
i'm gonna steal this from another comment i imagine that the dialogue box would appear, but instead of text appearing, a voice line would play and the box would remain empty
is it just me or is the "switch soul" actually supposed to be patience in some weird way? like think about how you dodge the coloured attacks, you stay still for em. even then we already have blue attacks outside of battles with the split soul thingy and it may just be because of switch joy con colour and all of that but still, something about it just calls to me.
Either the "Joy" soul (haha joystick pun), or the Dancing trait soul, because the movement in the mad mew mew fight makes it look like we're moving our soul as feet on a dance floor.
Patience might be the battle box being like a grid and then you dodge Attacks by moving along the tiles (see that one Alphys NEO attack) and Bravery might be dashing/phasing through attacks (ala Undertale Yellow)
Dude I can't explain how or why, but you're just really good at composing music you know? It's so unique in it's own way in comparison to other secret boss themes, especially noting the freedom motif. I don't know how to word anything so well, nice job.
I like the fact that the song is actually a panic, as you're racing against the clock to save Conner Also, why Copy-Cat Panic? I mean the Copy-Cat part, since usually a boss' theme matches their battle, e.g. the world revolving and [[BIG SHOT]]
This is my FAVORITTEEEEEE fan-made deltarune secret boss song. Some other fan themes can be so fast and intense, and while this does have intense parts, it feels like it more focuses on slow and VERY good melodies. Some of the harmonies are SOGUIAHDFUIAHD good oh my goodness. It's ear candy.
What would make this even more perfect would be if his text boxes are framed like those old fashioned silent movies when it cuts to a black screen with white text.
also i will admit i do like the use of the icnonic "the air crackles with freedom" to indicate him being a charecter who encountered the quote "strange man" aka Gaster. mainly because every fight such as Jevil or Spamton NEO had that line in the battle
Yknow, I wasnt sure how to put this into words before, but I love how this song really feels like a race against the clock. You don't know how long those strings are going to last, and if you want to save Conner, you're going to need to get him down before they give way. Same goes for if you wanted to kill him yourself, instead of just letting him drown.
eitherway, he's already a goner so saving him had no purpose. and that's what makes him incredibly interesting he somewhat follows the "your choices don't matter" line from the start which is the whole premise of deltarune so no matter what you choose, it's pointless. he's already gone also him attempting suicide a second time is so fucked up - i saw a comment from the creator themselves that it felt sutble, as in his death wasn't noticable and wants to try again because he really wants himself gone
Lowkey reminds me of the Suicide Mouse creepypasta in a way. Also added with the fact that it takes inspiration from the Steamboat Willie public domain situation, I could see the Suicide Mouse pasta being a intentional or unintentional reference.
it would be cool if your team would start to fight against you because they only see you doing bad things to Conner but in reality you are helping him and he makes it look like its bad
![BIG SHOT II: Vs. Spamton NEO (ft. Mimmky) [Deltarune REMIX]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/imSeKhd6akY/mqdefault.jpg)
By the way, i'm not going to make a full deltarune take, i just thought the concept was neat, and wanted to do it
I don't know if i'm going to expand the lore of this guy, because i still have other projects going on right now, so i hope you guys understand
all good, dude. this shit goes hard by itself anyways
good stuff as always!!! 👍👍👍
I like to imagine the way connor met the knight was through a reel wheel from those old movies
I absolutely love the concept of another character being aware of the player that's not Sans or Gaster
please, for all the conner's
have him hug the other secret bosses
they all need one
"LET'S SHARE OUR FATE TOGHETER''
man this hurts after reading the description
The idea of a character that can only speak to the player gives me two ideas on how it's conveyed. Either A) Their text isn't displayed through any of the traditional ways text is portrayed in Deltarune, or B) they literally SPEAK to the player with voice lines while their text box remains empty, which would be conditionally terrifying
probably A, but i prefer B.
I think he would just turn to look right at the screen and maybe point at you
Deltarune chapter 3: requires camera access and Mike calls you fat
The whole screen fills with one of those old film dialogue screens every time Conner speaks?
I know you
I love that this secret boss uses the switch soul because the unnoficial trait the community has associated it with is "JOY".
The total opposite that this guy feels and what he needs
OMG JOY BECAUSE JOYSTICK HAHAHA THIS IS GENIUS
It also would fit the pattern of the 2 secret bosses we’ve seen so far being the exact opposite of their associated soul trait.
Determination has two different interpretations: either it represents willpower, or it represents destiny, aka one’s determined fate
Jevil is both nihilistic, as in they lost their determination, and they have broken free by locking themselves away, defying their fate.
Spamton is not a good person, nor one that follows the law, and their ultimate fate is unjustified, their life being the opposite of Justice.
Joy.... Conner...
JOYCON.
@@Adrotthat had to be intentional
@@apollyonnoctis1291 i feel like for spamtons case its more so because of the fact he was so fucked over constantly by life unjustly, at every turn he couldnt catch a break. the only reason the way he is when we find him and the reason he does stuff is out of desperation and also insanity. so i feel like hes a good guy who was fucked over by life and now acts poorly. because he seemed to be a good person before, well, mystery man intervened. so his life was full of injustice towards him. its sad.
and edit: if your curious why i think this way, watch JaruJaruJ's analysis on spamton. its really well done.
So from what I understand, the boss is actually trying to unalive himself, and it's the Fun Gang's job to prevent him from doing so, while he is trying to kill them to prevent *that.*
This has to be the darkest secret boss concept I've seen yet.
Darker yet darker concept
A far cry from Scampton or Solis being like "HEHEHOHO SO LMFAO".
I love it.
And also, if this follows the 5 stages of grief theory, this would fit very well into Depression.
@@lexcentrique2554 Solis is a bad example, they have way more to them than just being goofy. they're actually one of my favorites for this reason, having a great balance of goofiness and seriousness
scampton is just kinda zany though
@torchdreemurr4082 Still, the speech pattern is very much... unoriginal. It's just too zany and without any context as for why a sun dial would talk this way. At least the typing quirk ain't so bad and the serious part are REALLY SMART.
I love the "Conner glares into the waters below him, then turns to you the same way" flavour text, because Mad Mew Mew has flavour text about glaring into an elaborate pink mirror that's basically the exact same- which is a neat reference due to Conner using the "Switch" SOUL.
This is actually genius
I imagine in true cartoon fashion, when he goes to grab your soul he uses the good ol fashioned Homer Simpson chokehold
DUDE THATS PERFECT
And the SOUL derforms like Bart's neck in the show
One of his projectile attacks has to have Acme written on the sprite for it
good theming, very powerful contrast between the cheery music and the suicidal character. I love it when the line between superficial and life threatening blurs
Type of guy to say
*HELP ME KRIS I DON'T WANNA BE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
(Also I love the concept of the "slipt sound from the switch version)
Btw I LOVE the concept of this guy being a silent movie character, but playing on that by making it so that only YOU the player can hear him, so he's silent to everyone else
That's so sick dude, I'm a huge huge fan
You actually made a pun 😅
* Kris told Conner (Aka fan boss) to go away because we are having a vacation *
Conner: Bu.. but.. that's my ship.
And that's how the battle begun.
XD??
The idea that he occasionaly just turns to the screen to calmly talk to the player with an frown is now vividly in my mind
the only problem is, we can't talk back
Id imagine his sprit's head would turn towards us
@@ukulelepichu4484 If you were doing Snowgrave up to that point you probably could talk back, but only he (and maybe Kris) could hear you.
@@Wiggly38 i'm not a genocide route fan though... lol
*P-please, Kris. You don't have to bother me anymore. I'm fine being alone from everyone.
Give balloons / Say sorry
*(You gave Conner the balloons.)
*Wha- for, for me?
*It feels... nice.
*Thanks, Kris...
*And... enjoy your tour...
(Later)
Ralsei
*Wow, it's beautiful!
*The view is amazing!
Susie
*Actually, this might not be so bad after all.
*The sunset, the hills,
*... flying cats...
*...
*WAIT, CATS?!?!
*(You see Conner flying in the distance with the balloons.)
i love how the freedom motif is like, mixed with conner's theme, in a way which shows desperation, and hopelessness, it REALLY shows how far gone he really is.
I really like the concept of SBs having different feelings to their themes and motivations, so I love this
the fact this dude is actually trying to "gameend" himself is dark, but fits thematically well with the other motivations.
Freedom comes in many different forms, even dark ones...
Even tho he uses the switch soul he fits apathy
1:57
"My... whole... life... is a co-me-dy..."
"...for everyone so... listen to, me"
"WHEN THE LIGHT IS LOW,
AND THE SHADOW'S START TO GROW,
AND THE PLACES THAT YOU GO,
SEEMS LIKE FAN-TA-SY,
so just STAY WITH YOUR CLOSE ONES,
AND STAY WITH ALL YOUR OWN FRIENDS,
WITH THE TRUTH...
THE PROMISE FOR my heaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAART"
Yo todo un histriónico
I can say that this is cringe...
@f_faction yeah but ngl good lyrics
I just realized. the part of the song 0:55 - 1:20 is really sounds like freedom motif, but it isn't, it's like he didn't want to accept the true reality of the world and tried to save his identity, not trying to become insane, but in the end he loose. The "don't forget" part so fits him tho! (Sorry for my poor choice of words)
You described it perfectly!!
AU creators when they turn on each other:
Relatable
I've been trying to decipher the meaning behind this comment for a while now can someone please explain
*_-the ceo of 💀_*
@@the_ceo_of_skull its talking about how many AUs look sometimes like each other accidentaly
@@Patodeagua213 ok thanks.
*_-the ceo of 💀_*
This made just laugh hella loud at 11 pm
Very interesting take you have here! Love the music and artwork its a real chef's kiss.
It also reminded me of "Curiosity killed the cat" I like to think Conner was that curious cat back then :)
Love how the "Dont forget" morif here somewhat gives some lyrics that fit to the song, which conner can't sing directly (Unlike the salesman) due to what you stablished earlier:
"When the light is running low
And the shadows start to grow
And the places that you know
Seem like fantasy"
This part might reffer to the fact that he knows he's in a videogame, he knows that he is just a tv character, and that he knows he is a darkner that doesn't really exist in the light world.
"There's a light inside your soul
That's still shining in the cold
With the truth
The promise in our hearts"
This could both make an allusion to a promise kris and the soul made to Conner that we'll see in a bit and a little wordplay with the fact that it is the switch soul: The joy-cons have a little light on the inner flat part for when they are used separately and because of how they are set in the switch soul, they would be "inside your soul"
"Don't forget
I'm with you in the dark"
This is the promise that kris/the soul made, that we gotta not forget Conner's tv show, even if the tv is off, just like his life
Very early to this banger :0
Just made a realization
The line "Conner tried to scream, but nobody heard him" is interesting cuz like
Did he actually scream? Why couldn't be heard, the Fun Gang is right there?
Idk I think it'z koolio
It's because he's most likely an copy-cat of Pete from Steamboat Willy.
Also, old cartoons didn't talk for the most part, so it's technically more like an "I try to scream but I had no mouth" type of thing.
Because only kris and us can hear him
Yknow, old animations.
No colors, no sound...NO ESCAPE
like "SantimsAnimations" said, only us and kris hear him. you can see that in the description of the video
@@ssamuueel But Kris is somebody and is standing right there too
Considering Chapter 3 is supposed to take place in a television-style Dark World, I wouldn't be surprised if the next secret boss is kinda like this aesthetically
2:33 : WOOOOOW!!!!!
This is one of those songs that on first listen you're like "I mean. . . it's alright" Only to become one of your favorites
I just.. realized.. The ending attack.. Its conner drowning , puking water and then.. lies flat in the water.
oh. OH. THAT'S FUCKED UP. NEVER SAW IT LIKE THAT
NOW I FEEL LIKE CRYING HJOLY SHIT
i've always seen it as him feeling too overwhelmed that he started throwing up because people can do this somehow
THIS ONE MAKES IT SO MUCH WORSE I LOVE IT
oh JESUS CHRI
Now that I've read the description "Let's share our fate together"has a whole new meaning
Easily in my top 5 deltarune secret boss themes!
Not a single part of this song sounds anything less than amazing, keep up the absolutely incredible work!
I do like this take where the boss itself doesnt want to harm anyone but isnt content with the truth unlike Spamton and Jevil
The freedom motif is hidden REALLY well here.
Honestly makes it feel like Conner lost his shot at freedom.
Something like it being more prominent with Jevil [that being his main motif] because he found his freedom, and with Spamton [who has the motif prominent in the middle of the song] because he's basically on the verge of his freedom.
Conner meanwhile just wants to not deal with the knowledge. Guy doesn't want to be free and suppresses the motif down into his own.
If anyone doesn't know where the motif is btw, it starts at the cut to the main art from the battle at 0:55 and ends at the cut back to the battle at 1:20
It's hard to tell that it's even the Freedom Motif at all since it's mixed in surprisingly well, but it has the same general rhythm and such.
The "Don't Forget" motif is ALSO here which I think is fun [starts at around 2:10 at the cut to the main art again]
It's easier to hear the freedom motif when it comes back up the second time, at 2:38 ish, which continues to the end.
It's not Jevil's main motif??? Jevil's main motif is the part at the beginning of the song, right before the freedom part.
Huh, I thought the freedom motif was more prominent than the intro part with the pan flute-
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Huh, I thought the freedom motif was more prominent than the intro part with the pan flute-
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dude the more i rewatch this over and over again i begin to notice really clever details
i love how you gave him 9 balloons because cats are believed to have 9 lives, when i found out about it i started freaking out
anyways blue, i really really love yours songs, covers... just everything you do so much especially conner
i hope you expand on conner if you have the time to i need to see more of him
Aw heck naw... Pete from Steamboat Willy became a reference to a creepypasta...
He never was the same after peg left him for goofy...
*Ink runs from Conner’s eyes.
I like the idea so much!
it's such an original concept and I like his description as a character. Besides, he's so cute :')
And as always, your animation is amazing. great job!
It's nice to see some Chapter 3 secret bosses that isn't just a variation of Flowey.
Dude there are so many fanmade secret bosses that aren't
Petaly is cool tho but i agree
So are you going to just ignore the existence of Radiola, Camellia, Foane, Screepto and Sheriff Timber?
@@This_Guy_Exists screepto is from chapter 4 but still
@@This_Guy_ExistsHalojack
Honestly this is a VERY COOL Concept, I could Imagen this guy being a Switch Exclusive Secret Secret Boss lol.
Havent seen any Secret Boss using that Switch Soulmode so far, so its a nice breath of Fresh Air.
Yeah me too I always immagine the switch souls secret boss would be done kind of magician using the "splitting someone in half" trick
plot twist: there is actually 8 chapters and chapter 8's secret boss is a goober magician.
@@lourdespachla6516 damn! i thought it was papyrus in knight armor!
@@Demilonss2.0 nah he is chapter 7's main boss, i am the chapter 7 secret boss tho, just TRY to guess my quirk.
(It is obvious now)
never expected to see you here
genuinely a pretty unique take for a secret boss! I absolutely love his designs and his concept :D aLSO THE MUSIC SLAPS >:D
Conner is genuinely a super awesome take on a secret boss , genuinely its so dark how you're basically trying to stop him from ending himself its...so dark but i feel like it could fit so well with Deltarune, that and THE MUSIC SLAPS SO HARD!
The line "he looks at the dark and then to you the same way." Is profoundly terrifying to me. He knows some way or another he's likely going to die here, or even worse, that he sees living just as horrible as the death he's dangling above
worst part is that he's already dead he's just attempting this again because it felt subtle, he thought he was still alive
I kinda did something where my own au responded differently to becoming a secret boss. He is the only one who is "sane" in the traditional sense but he is not actually taking it very well specifically because he is trying to hide everything about the shadow crystal to keep his place and reputation as a dark world leader and he is the blue soul/integrity and his whole hiding everything about the mysterious person to look sane falls in line with integrity.
Okay that's sick asf i wanna know more!
What Dark World is he from?
@@ghifariasoka8272The grocery store. He actually rules it.
@@Raster_RasperHe actually gets a sort of character arc in chapter 6 if you beat him as a secret boss where he realizes that his connections to others and hope are more important than freedom and that standing up for his beliefs even when they don't really do anything is more fulfilling than hiding away. He also kinda threatens Kris to not go into the basement where everything is hidden sort of like how sans threatens frisk on any route. I occasionally speak as him LIKE *THIS* so he is sort of a "mascot." He is a cash register in the light world. Honestly his speech quirk is unoriginal but I've spoken so much as him that it would be jarring to change it. He might also be more assertive in the weird route but not as hopefull or willing to have connections in a world that doesn't matter. He is likely much more difficult and may or may not be the "sans" of this route I haven't decided. Btw he is in chapter 5. When you reach the hidden basement area he finds you and has an extreme mental breakdown. Also his name is Pawn which is not only a tie with chess theory but a pawn is someone controlled by another which reflects him as a secret boss.
Btw a few ideas I haven't fully talked about are other secret boss concepts which may conflict for timeline reasons.
Green soul flower pirate who wants to conquer regardless of the harm and just wants to do so with Kris. A woody theory secret boss which is purple soul. Btw they probably have beef because pirates vs cowboys.
And finally
Chapter 6 idea
The gang comprised of swappable characters akin to persona 5 split to cover more ground to find an opening towards where the knight is in the bunker dark world. Kris travels alone along a path of difficult(scales between chapters) enemy encounters until a monochromatic someone appears who is familiar but not at the same time. They say they are late for something which is weird for when the world is at stake. He tells you he is a detective and before he goes he says that it is nice for meeting you to kris who is confused as to why the person knows their name and they just brush it off saying that it was a gut feeling.
IT W A S NOT J U S T A G U T FEELING
Hear me out, the balloons he’s held up by are symbolic of black&white cartoons being pushed back by color cartoons. That’s why the only grey balloon is in the back, covered by others, but still out of place. (Ik it’s a stretch but know.)
I'll just say this, i color picked the balloons from the classmates in the light world (Including Kris and Susie)
then who the gray one@@bluelonerwolf
It's temmie, because of the black/gray cap @@thebababoeyman4840
@@bluelonerwolf yipep!!!!!!!!!!
Ohhh
YESSs omg more secret bosses!! and this one is CCATTTTT
i really like how the song is accompanied with so much artwork and even a special attack
this inspires me to finish my stuff. reminds me of why i wanted to make a secret boss..
i thought it was a bear...
ok bears dont have tails. still i thought it was a bear with some kind of hood
@ulc_UV_Swap_sans im sorry 😔 i cant get you what you need 😔 i am not the kind of person to know a lot about😔 glasses 😭 i cannot 😔 help yo find the right one😭😔 i do not have a job, i have yet 😔 to finish school😔
this is such a gem!! in the domain of fan secret bosses this really feels like something really fresh, super inspired :D
I'm the freedom leitmotif finder.
The freedom leitmotif is at 2:33
Until we meet again.
Bruh, there's no any "freedom" leitmotif in deltarune
@@Former_time_all_around It's the name that the community has given to the secret boss leitmotif.
@@Freedomleitmotiffinder but this is not canon name
@@Former_time_all_around I mean, leitmotifs don't really have a "canon" name.
People realized that both secret bosses talked about freedom, and in their fights the text says "The air crackles with freedom", so people decided to relate them to freedom.
And you have to admit that "The freedom leitmotif" sounds better than "the secret boss leitmotif".
@@Freedomleitmotiffinder actually this leitmotif IS have canon name. "THE WORLD REVOLVING"
"So you tried to hear us out?,,
"THATS SO FUNNY,,
"HAHHAHAHA,,
"YEARS APON YEARS OF BEGGING,,
"AND ONLY NOW CAN I BE HEARD,,
"WHEN IM DANGLING FOR MY LIFE,,
I really like this, the animation, the music, the everything! Also the way he frowns in contrast to the previous superbosses is definitely an extremely interesting idea.
Genocide text
Nine balloons nine lives
All the more to ruin
Conner tried to scream, but you ignored him
The wind is howling
Howling with screams
Howling in suffering
Conner glares to the water,then looks at you the same way, but worse
LETS SHARE MY FATE TOGETHER
Just a hat left
Pick it up?
【Yes]
Been part of the tracks i couldn't help but listen to on loop lately. It's really fitting to Deltarune and on many aspects, great job on that :)
Man your songs are hellishly good, and you managed to make the feeling of panic into an incredible battle theme! Props!
this theme actually goes so hard and the concept is so smart. i also love conner's design!! that tune you made for his motif is actually so bouncy and catchy, im going to be listening to this on loop for awhiiiiiile
The lore, the song, the sprite, and everything is just, pure perfection imo
God damn, this is great, the song, idea and animations are all amazing!
Let me get this straight
Some person was told about the secrets of the world and this cat became depressed as hell so he wants to kill himself now but the fun gang will not do that so they try to make him resist the death he will be in and he doesn’t like that so he will try attacking you?
Y’know, that is something I would be depressed to. I mean that’s depressing
2:09 *here's the light is always low, and the shadows never grow, and those places that i know, seem so co-lour-less. But here comes light inside your soul, that can back colours to home, with a howl-ing freedom in our hearts.
Ok memes aside this is golden. I enjoy this lad quite dearly.
This is by far one of the most creative secret boss ideas I've seen in a while, fantastic job!
Beautiful, love how this is totally original not only in the background and arena, but also of the use of the split soul and character. I'd like to know how you do that animation when you bring Conner or have him flying, it's fantastic.
Thank you!, this will sound crazy, but i used Gamemaker Studio for the entire animation, i even had to "play" the final attack
@@bluelonerwolf that's neato! The fact you did a no-hit on that shows true dedication on the video!
@@bluelonerwolfbelieve me when i say: YOU'RE THE DAMN GOAT
@@bluelonerwolf holy shit no wonder it looked so accurate; it was literally an IN-ENGINE dr attack
@@bluelonerwolfwatching you dodge it is so fun!!
i love how theres like always parts of other themes you have composed to hear
I mean... i referenced undertale motifs, and referenced like 6 secret bosses, 5 of which i have *covered*, not composed
(Note to self)
Composed = self made
covered = own version of someone elses theme/music/etc.
The fact that this a truely creative interpretation of the leitmotifs of Deltarune is my favorite part. Most boss AU people take a melody, throw the FREEDOM motif in there for effect, and call it a day.
BUT NO. You actually took what you were given, and made something genuinely original from it. And for that, I applaud you. ❤
this is easily my favorite fan song so far - it goes so hard, I love it
I went far enough to make a way to unlock him:
1:there is a weapon called the reel gun, you have to find it
2:there may be a way to get on the boat, but without the reel, you can't find Conner,if you do,then you prevent him from...canceling himself by trapping him in the reel
3:beat a boss by only fighting, then go back to the boat, and go to a city with a store,then buy ballons and a video player, then go back on the boat, and for 19 seconds and 28 milliseconds, go to edge of the boat,with the reel equipped, then kris will accidentally put there balloon, reel,and video player in the water, starting the boss
Burgerpants' depression as a darkner.
Burgerpants but it's mad mew mew
I imagine unlike the others, this dude would talk in a plain, lowercase font. Not too disimilar to sans, but with a more somber tone to it.
- "just leave me be already"
- "kris, why did you do this to us?"
- "the day that man arrived, he promised me freedom"
-"whats the point of freedom though if there aint anywhere to be free?'
That dialogue fits very well and make the whole thing more sad
i'm gonna steal this from another comment
i imagine that the dialogue box would appear, but instead of text appearing, a voice line would play and the box would remain empty
Napstablook.
is it just me or is the "switch soul" actually supposed to be patience in some weird way? like think about how you dodge the coloured attacks, you stay still for em. even then we already have blue attacks outside of battles with the split soul thingy and it may just be because of switch joy con colour and all of that but still, something about it just calls to me.
Maybe the switch soul gimmick would return as a addition for the patience soul.
It would be cool if the patience soul is a rework of the switch soul and the orange one is a Perry/dash
Either the "Joy" soul (haha joystick pun), or the Dancing trait soul, because the movement in the mad mew mew fight makes it look like we're moving our soul as feet on a dance floor.
@@SantimsAnimations Fair. I can certainly understand why. A half soul does kind of look like a foot for some reason.
Patience might be the battle box being like a grid and then you dodge Attacks by moving along the tiles (see that one Alphys NEO attack) and Bravery might be dashing/phasing through attacks (ala Undertale Yellow)
poor guy needs his freedom right now
Dude I can't explain how or why, but you're just really good at composing music you know? It's so unique in it's own way in comparison to other secret boss themes, especially noting the freedom motif. I don't know how to word anything so well, nice job.
I like the fact that the song is actually a panic, as you're racing against the clock to save Conner
Also, why Copy-Cat Panic? I mean the Copy-Cat part, since usually a boss' theme matches their battle, e.g. the world revolving and [[BIG SHOT]]
Essentially, he copies other bosses's attacks, but adapted for the switch soul, it's also because he's a bootleg of the steamboat willie cartoon lol
@@bluelonerwolf I kinda like that gimmick. Plus, Conner's whole nature reminds me of So Sorry in a way
This is my FAVORITTEEEEEE fan-made deltarune secret boss song. Some other fan themes can be so fast and intense, and while this does have intense parts, it feels like it more focuses on slow and VERY good melodies. Some of the harmonies are SOGUIAHDFUIAHD good oh my goodness. It's ear candy.
What would make this even more perfect would be if his text boxes are framed like those old fashioned silent movies when it cuts to a black screen with white text.
I Wana give him a hug 😢
This boss theme honestly feels like something Toby fox would make.
Overall this is god damn amazing. Keep up the good work blue
Immagine if this guy is toby fox in disguise releasing scraped concepts and cover gas practice
Banger song as always buddy
Absolute banger, needs more views
also i love the lil guy :D
This sounds so sad, yet majestic in a way.
*Kris lets cry together
also i will admit i do like the use of the icnonic "the air crackles with freedom" to indicate him being a charecter who encountered the quote "strange man" aka Gaster. mainly because every fight such as Jevil or Spamton NEO had that line in the battle
Yknow, I wasnt sure how to put this into words before, but I love how this song really feels like a race against the clock. You don't know how long those strings are going to last, and if you want to save Conner, you're going to need to get him down before they give way.
Same goes for if you wanted to kill him yourself, instead of just letting him drown.
eitherway, he's already a goner so saving him had no purpose. and that's what makes him incredibly interesting
he somewhat follows the "your choices don't matter" line from the start which is the whole premise of deltarune
so no matter what you choose, it's pointless. he's already gone
also him attempting suicide a second time is so fucked up - i saw a comment from the creator themselves that it felt sutble, as in his death wasn't noticable and wants to try again because he really wants himself gone
"So, how's life?"
"Meaningless."
Has anyone else notice that Conners goner form looks kinda like Mouse.avi? (Aka that one mickey mouse creepypasta)
So hes suicidal...?....... damn they made me into a deltarune character
0:56 goes hard
Lowkey reminds me of the Suicide Mouse creepypasta in a way. Also added with the fact that it takes inspiration from the Steamboat Willie public domain situation, I could see the Suicide Mouse pasta being a intentional or unintentional reference.
*The view radiates with grey
*Conner speaks..or does he?
*PLEASE DONT LEAVE ME
*Your throat gets tight.
*The air crackles with pain.
Man, Mad Mew Mew really let herself go.
I love the idea that this song lacks the usual ‘character speaks in the song’ bit
Because this guy’s a silent movie character
this secret boss character is so great but its so hard to explain
i guess i could at least say it reminds me of lost episode creepypastas
It goes really hard, and I like this funny character design, good job!
The flagpost base kinda looks like a hidden Mickey, and the boat could be unsettling, so the line “this steamboat gives me the Willies” could apply.
This song is so good I can't stop listening to it
genuinely super great concept and theme, amazing work
I love his design and concept.
He looks like he has gone trough some serious and messed up stuff
my mans just wanted to talk
Wait this fanmade character has the same exact name as me
Also i really like his theme
Ooh! I don't have much else to say, just: I like the music and the character!!!
this song is so fire that there's a severe forest fire warning in my area 🔥
Why do i hear some bits of BATTLE AGAINST THE WORLD?
Where?
@@axlclockworker1364Just think of the motifs for Junkil and listen to the beginning of this track
iirc Bluelonerwolf scattered different parts of his other remixes in this one track.
i just want to give vonner a hug
it would be cool if your team would start to fight against you because they only see you doing bad things to Conner but in reality you are helping him and he makes it look like its bad
you'd probably have to shoot down the balloons in pacifist
yeah ralsei gets his iconic bow and arrow
Thanks, now i can't stop listening to this