Link's IMPOSSIBLE Quest? (Zelda Theory)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2019
- Today we over-analyze one of the most controversial Zelda games and come to the conclusion that Link's quest is....impossible?
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#SkywardSword #ZeldaTheory #Fi - เกม
"Man fi is annoying"
"Better read through all of her dialogue"
Link: "Never tell me the odds"
Did you just talk?
Damnit.. I came to the comments to make this exact quote and it was the first one...
A Star Wars fan?
@JusticeGraceful I have only heard him speak one time before he made a joke and started singing I thought it was a dream I must be wrong then
@JusticeGraceful I'll check to see if there was a game where that happened.
I feel like using the combined probability as the probability of Link succeeding is somewhat flawed.
Like, not all of these probabilities failing would mean certain doom for the quest, like "there's a 90% chance Zelda headed to Eldin next" but there's not a 10% chance she disappeared, she's *somewhere*- there's, like, a .3% chance she's hiding in that bush over there
Still, a great concept and a very good video
Yeah, it's a fair argument. Thanks for watching!
Fi: i calculate a 100% chance that i never shut up
Fi: I calculate a chance that that something is in this dungeon.
Me: Oh, so can you calculate the amount of fucks I give.
PixelDustGaming 457
I would like your comment, but it‘s at 69 likes.
Donald Trump fi : 0.5 meaning you at approximately give half a fuck
Thankfully, she got that wrong. Unfortunately, she was replaced by Navi centuries later.
no
Your math is fine, your logic isn't. When she says there's an 85% chance the key you need is in that particular chest, that doesn't mean there's a 15% chance you'll never find the key, just that it's elsewhere. The same applies to most of these.
Before I say this, I want to say that I love most of NBC’s theory vids. They make excellent points.
But what you just stated here is absolutely correct. And frankly, completely obliterated the point of this vid.
Also i dont think nintendo knows how to use percentages
Also I think he's making a mistake at assuming all variables are independant
In Japan they have a tendency to believe percentages, and I've noticed media tend to use them very willy-nilly. Death Note, for example, has L use percentages constantly, even with things that he obviously should not be able to make a percentage out of - it's a shorthand way to make the (Japanese) viewer know that this person is supposed to be scarily, super humanly smart, in a way that your mortal brain can't comprehend.
For us, however, we just end up thinking "What ass did they pull that percentage out of?!"
Probability is by definition a fickle and inaccurate measuring method.
And yet, despite those odds, Link still takes it on and prevails.
Link bears the fourth piece of the triforce; the triforce of luck!
@@NintendoBlackCrisis Lol
@@NintendoBlackCrisis In a really far-off alternate timeline, he passed this on to King from One Punch Man.
@@NintendoBlackCrisis how can there be a fourth piece if its a TRI-force?
@@titusjanshon1771 If you look closely, there's an "empty" triangle amid the triforce icon...
Great idea here, Fi's percentages in SS are something that I've always remembered from the game, but using them in a theory like this is really unique, and cool to hear.
This is especially interesting for me, being that I've played this game like 8 times or something stupid like that now.
Thanks! I definitely thought it would be a very creative idea :]
sorry i was the seventieth like :(
8 times?! That's not a lot...
But it's a lot compared to me, because I've played it approximately... 0 times.
Give Fi a chance. After all she was the first companion Link had, acording to the timeline. She didn't have anyone to look at as a bad example😉
me who doesn't know basic math watching this: yeah sure I agree
He’s really good at explaining it, I’m sure even someone who isn’t good at math could figure it out :)
Sonja same
Same
Ikr when he said let's simplify the math and it just looked more confusing than ever lol
He needed to do them in sequence
These percents were mostly things that meant the story would have changed (She's not in this temple so you'll have to keep looking) but not have stopped him from succeeding (Yes, there are chances that would have prevented him from being able to win.).
So, this theory should be about how unlikely it was that things happened as they did and include a % chance that the change would have been unwinnable.
I hope I'm not the only one who smiled when I heard that familiar(or should I say Fi-miliar) sound in the BOTW cutscene where Link pass out
best scene of the game arguably
Ik im late but she probably said “There a 100 perfect chance of my master surviving if you put him in the shrine of resurrection” to Zelda lol.
Fi: The likelihood of your success is close to zero.
Link: Maybe, but it isn't zero. And for me, that makes it the same as a hundred percent chance!
Ah shit, its you again.
Isnt this from gurren lagann?
"When growing up"
"Skyward Sword"
No. Stop. I feel old.
Yeah I was done with my undergraduate's degree when SS came out, yikes
@@ccheyenne thanks for that, I feel a bit younger.
SS came out just a few years ago man
@@CircaSriYak It literally came out almost 9 years ago. Thats not a short period of time like you are suggesting by stating "Just a few years ago" lol
Fi: I looked 14.000.605 possible outcomes.
Link: How many do we win?
Fi: 420
Link: Nice, that's a lot
Nobody:
Absolutely Nobody:
Nintendo: *watches video*
Next Zelda game: takes place in an alternate timeline where SS Link died
Riley Marshall if that happened there wouldn’t even be a game anymore since Demise would of already conquered the WHOLE world and hero isn’t cursed to reincarnate so nobody to stop Demise
That’s of course if your talking about Skyward Sword Link
True
Then there would Another one (cause hylia (Zelda) still lives and cursed herself to reincarnation before she was human(so far as i know)) it may hurt her, but she would one day find another individual, that has a (compared to others ) high Chance, to beat Demise and his Armees
I like shitty memes yeah but the thing is by the time she reincarnates and the hero reincarnates in the past Demise would have conquered ALL of hyrule and I’m pretty sure Demise isn’t dumb enough to let that happen and will try to stop link before he could get strong enough and if Demise doesn’t stop him the world is still full of much more powerful monsters basically making the regular world of monsters look like a joke and there’s still a chance Demise could of gotten the triforce from link but if he couldn’t then that would prob be the only way for link to have an actual chance at winning but due to many factors link prob couldn’t meet the requirements and if he did his chances would still be way less than before unless he changes his wish than idk. But still Good luck training a hero in a hellish world with nobody on your side besides maybe a few survivors. Not a high chance at all it’s basically like fighting an endless waves of monsters that are much stronger and with no ally’s cuz I’m pretty sure Demise would kill the dragons and everyone in his way unless he’s a huge retard.
Yeah I know this basically me just repeating myself but you get the idea
Jesus christ please stop this useless "Nobody" meme. Please just let it fucking die.
Well this is not THAT accurate since all events are not independent of each other
99 percent: love it!
1 percent: *actually questions the theory*
Well, I guess that means…
*…I AM THE 1%!*
Molly O'Kami no im the one percent
But Lightning and Sunlight are Sacred Energy e.e
Instead of "Pointless"... Skyward Sword's Adventure is like an almost imposible feat, achieved by the one who would become soul of the Heroes
While for the most part your argument is valid it fails on the point that The hero of the skies is not the first link. The Hyrule Historia has a manga in the back showing the first hero prior to skyward sword. The manga is based in the time prior to skyloft being raised above the clouds
@@dustinzimmerman2816 Interesting Fact, so there was another link before... still until that last comma, my comment stands...
An imposible feat achieved by the hero
@@dustinzimmerman2816 As far as I know of. Manga's are considered non cannon by the Zelda Creator
@@kelmirosue3251 The biggest issue is that the Historia and the encyclopedia are considered Canon in whole
Great theory, finally someone talks about SS.
Skyward sword is my favourite Zelda game. Yes, the motion controls did make the game more challenging, but that's the thing! I could beat the bosses in Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild without dying, but in Skyward sword I could raise sweat fighting a boss. I remember the first time fighting Ghirahim it took me like half an hour, because I had to actually do something. That and awesome story, characters, artstyle and music made the game unique for me.
I really loved Skyward Sword and am looking forward to playing it again one day, hopefully in HD. I had *no* issues with the motion controls though obviously a startlingly high number of others did, including my own friends. I know some of them struggled with flying, I did not, generally speaking. I also have other friends, who like me, did not experience those issues. I simply have not been able to narrow down scientifically why some people are fine and some people aren't. Beyond the motion controls I *loved* the story the setting, though I did wish the surface had more inter-connectivity like Ocarina did (meaning 3-4 warp pipes) and more interaction (read: side-quests) with surface dwellers. I like the concept of Fi and her animations but 90% (no pun intended) of her dialog is useless. FWIW I didn't like TP much at all but I played it after SS so maybe "formula fatigue" set in later for me.
Koloktos, Ghirahim, that pirate mini-boss on the Sand Ship, and even the Leviathan. Those were EPIC boss fights made better by me having to really swing the sword and block with my shield!
Skyward Sword is simply my favorite Zelda game out there. The motion controls make you feel the action, quite literally! Sure, they aren't perfect, but 99% of the time it wasn't an issue. Absolutely love the visuals, story, and especially the music! I sure hope Nintendo re-releases this in HD for the switch, or whatever their next game console is.
It's also my favorite!
Edit: Motion controls were excellent. Sad to see them go! I thought it was the future of Zelda!
I agree with you completely! Felt like an adventure and you as Link going through the hardships.
I didn't think the motion controls were too bad either. But I did feel that the third Giraham fight. Could've been done easier. He was annoying af and was the only actual time I have actually died against a boss
Poor Fi. One of the most hated companions in Zelda, but at the same time is so cool in her design.
I really liked her, even if she did tell me I was running out of batteries every three seconds xD
@@ccheyenne & Kakariko Kage are both right. Fi has a pretty cool design, and I really like her, but it's nevertheless fun to complain about her, as it one of the things I love about her, even if she tells me my batteries are dying every time something important is actually going on xD
I agree SS is a good game and it doesn’t deserve as much hate as it gets:)
Complaints about the "gimmicky" motion controls: dumb and objectively wrong, the whole thing was built around it wouldn't work without it, gimmicky motion was Twilight Princess on Wii.
Complaints about Fi: Perfectly valid and completely correct. Fi is the worst companion in any game. Clearly she was explicitly created to make everyone who complained about Navi shut up forever.
Yeah, it's annoying at times(other than Fi who is like 99.9% of the time) but it's fun, and a good game. Plus, I love complaining about Fi. It's quite fun xD
Yay a SS theory I love you for appreciating it
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This video is a contradiction. I don't see how a low percentage value equates to a pointless quest. Why does that make it pointless if anything that just makes the journey all the more crucial.
I repeat my quote from another comment, 'I think the title of the video and the video itself is the one that is pointless'
No matter what the odds of link saving the world there still a way.
Link:
Fi: *We're in the endgame now.*
Link: *HYAAAH*
Link: *some people might just leave and forget about it, but not us*
Actually they have a much better chance in wining than the Avengers did. 420/14000605
It kinda feels more epic knowing that, technically, it is an imposible quest
Yet we the players as Link, can beat it
Fi: The likelihood of your success is close to zero.
Link: Maybe, but it isn't zero. And for me, that makes it the same as a hundred percent chance!
"I wanted to play skyward sword growing up" wow Im old.
Same here, this guy must be really young xD
You ignore the fact that in any one of these it would still technically be possibly completable, Link would just have to search elsewhere.
Like if it wasn't the ship but there was the ship later on, that would increase the percent by one of it's biggest deductions.
That's fair
Here's the issue I have with this: not all of these percentages lead to a total failure. Percentages like if the water basin will work or not won't ruin Link's quest if they don't work out. If the basin doesn't work then he'll just have to do something else, the only thing wasted is time. There's not that big of a time crunch considering he can sleep for days and do sidequests with no consequences. I'd argue the battles are more important because if it doesn't work out, link dies and the world is lost
SS would be my favorite Zelda if not for the controls. If you could mix SS with BOTW controls, it would be my favorite Zelda by far.
I think what's much more fascinating and even terrifying is that, if Fi's calculations were correct, then there was a chance that the Sacred Flames and even the Triforce wouldn't be in their designated locations. All of these trials were specifically engineered by gods so that Link would be the only one who could complete them and there was still a chance that somewhere out there was a being who could just come along and swipe the god damn Triforce before Link even got there, something that not even Demise was capable of doing.
I have the theory that every timeline game in the series we played, always is the best scenario posible for Link.
That's why we never saw the hero of time loosing againts Ganondorf in OoT.
Fi: "I sense a 100% probability that you will be sick and tired of me measuring the probability of everything by the end of your quest."
That’s a very very small chance. My question is though, how much of the game was truly up to just chance, and how much was fate, destiny, or something along those lines involved
Hey plasma
Nothing is actually a chance. Fi is just trying to predict the future, but the outcome is set in stone.
Failure: I am... inevitable.
Link: And I... am... Link.
DSK Don’t you mean: “Hep Hep Hep HYAH!” ?
You're not wrong xD
The Hero defeating impossible odds is a common fiction troupe - having actual statistics proving that Link was able to accomplish the near impossible doesn't mean Fi is dumb, but that Link is that amazing.
Fi is my *favorite* character in Hyrule Warriors. I love the way she moves. Her graceful animations and art style are just enjoyable for me to watch. And I can see that Nintendo was going for a C-3PO like charm with all of her statistics but it was a gag that just never caught on for me. Every time she'd give some % in my mind I was eye rolling: "No, silly robot, it is **100%** likely that there's a boss behind this boss door because that's how games", "Of course it's **100%** likely that Zelda went through this door because that's why we're here". And unlike Navi/Tatl or the Hyrule Compendium I couldn't use Fi to give me info on the game world "What's that called? Where does it live and what does that eat?" and I almost never found dowsing to be necessary because I tend to explore areas pretty thoroughly on my own when eventually a character is like "We need a pinwheel" I was like "I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS FOR HOURS!". Maybe it's endearing for newcomers to the series. I just feel like I'd have liked her more if she hadn't been so pretentious about the scientific precision of her otherwise reasonable statements.
That said, it's awesome that you did all this work to conclude that all of her statements are meaningful, in that failure was almost certain for all but the First Hero, who was worthy of the complete Triforce! Maybe one day they'll release and update to the Hyrule Historia that explains that Fi simultaneously exists across multiple timelines and is actually predicting the probability that you're in the timeline where things work out. Really plays in well with Hylia's whole "...for I am the one guiding you from my place at the edge of time" shtick. It would be even better, though quite frustrating for most, if periodically the game just followed the negative case--1 out of every 20 playthroughs you get there and there's just no boss. In 1 in 7 encounters you get there and Zelda has already been captured and it's game over :)
Wow. This is an incredible job, well done. It’s a very unique concept for a theory and the fact that it’s based of Skyward Sword is just so much better.
I think that the main probability to keep in mind is "is Link strong enought or not" and that Fi will never think about it, because she probably think that Link obviously is.
Wow congrats for doing this just for one video, you have done a really big effort for your subs, thanx ^^
No problem!
Literally, why is it that when it's Fi it's annoying but when it's C3P0 it's hilarious. I never once found Fi annoying, I found her intentionally crafted that way to state the obvious as a joke. And people lost their damn minds.
Well you know what they say, “Luck favors the bold”. And who’s more bold than the wielder of the Triforce of Courage?
Nice to see another interesting theory! Also nice seeing you livestream this game not long ago
Hah! You billionaires and the 1% percentage. I beat Skyward Sword and I am part of the .003!
But didja earn the Hylian shield?
@@nikkolaus91 I beat it 3 times and got the Hylian shield, WITHOUT USING A SHEILD. I am a master of the Wii Motion Controls.
I really wish I recorded it, but trust me. I DID IT!
Same.
Skyward Sword Challenge: Roll a d100 every time Fi says a percentage. If you roll under the percentage, restart the entire game.
This is awesome and I'm sure some people got lost in the math. But your appreciation of Zelda is unmatched. Nice job!!!
I actually took that percentage to mean something different, and what you said is a key thing to keep in mind. Link's chance of completing his quest is 5% or lower.. and yet he DID complete it. He overcame and conquered, and that's why he's Hylia's chosen champion.
This seems very similar to Doctor Strange's "14 million 6 hundred and five futures" where they only win one, and yet it happens...
The problem with this is that you assume the alternative of any of those events fails the quest. That is not the case for a lot of these percentages. For example, if those were not really the ship's masts, you could keep looking. Fi could probably calculate another percentage of finding them elsewhere. Also, some probabilities don't even affect what happens. For example, the probabilities of zelda being in a region or not didn't matter since he didn't find her in many of them anyway
This theory just hurts my heart because the odds of him succeeding are so low, but he does it anyway because he cares for Zelda that much, man q_q
I still love Fi
I see what you did there! “I can handle myself just Fi-ne.”
You arent pulling the wool over my eyes!
You said 'Farosh' instead of 'Faron'. just a heads up. And also the fact that the chances are so low for Link beating his quest really solidifies his position as hero. Also stop dissing Fi. She is bestgirl
That's a weird way to spell Midna
@@seanorion7106 Midna > Fi, objective truth.
I'm not sure these are all probabilities; some of them could instead be how sure Fi is that her prediction is true. For example, the sacred flame is behind the door. It just is. The reason Fi gives a percentage is because she doesn't know that the sacred flame is there.
When I was like 7 or 8 I really liked Fi and didn’t find her annoying I really liked the way she looked and the way she her dialogue sounds and I really liked her doing her weird dance on the water. She is basically my favorite guide in the entire legend of Zelda series. I still don’t find her annoying and I still like everything I mentioned.
I've actually been replaying skyward sword since the other day so this was cool to see!
I don't think it makes his quest pointless. In fact, it makes it more incredible, since Link is able to defeat Demise despite having even less than a 1% chance of succeeding.
Love the Ace Attorney music.
*Pursuit-Cornered Variation plays
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACTUALLY POSTING A SKYWARD SWORD ONLY THEORY
You got me again... Thought my phone was ringing when I heard Zelda singing.
“Wouldn’t he just die after absorbing electricity into his sword?” Uh no, not necessarily... people get struck by lightning all the time and some may die, some may not die. Getting electrocuted isn’t a sure fire way to die.
But are you questioning that strain of likelihood when you’re fighting someone who has fire for hair??? Out of all things improbable, you only picked out the loft wing part and not the one about Skyloft being a floating island behind a permanent layer of clouds???
Getting struck by lightning and not dying is actually one of the more probable things in this game.
Fi : " CJ the amount of percentage of you succeeding following the damn train, is only 20% "
CJ : * Walking toward the Sanchez with BigSmoke * Ah shiet, here we go again.
The formula can't be correct.
Let's say every time Fi said 80%.
You'd have an 80% chance to beat the game. You needed to average the percentages. Otherwise you get 80% of 80% and so on.
Hey! It's not Navi or Fi's fault that they annoy a lot of people! They're just trying to help the hero on his quest! They're just doing their jobs! They're only annoying because by the time they even tell the player/Link what to do, they've already done it!
tbh i never had any problems with the motion controlls or with Phai/Fi, the game was an amazing experience from the beginning to the end so i cant understand how some people have some issues with that.
Link probably doesn’t die from the lightning strike that goes in the master sword because his sword is able to keep all of that energy inside of it kinda like rubber and a lightning rod.
The Master Sword prolly fell into the volcano before the rest of the gear was bein' stolen. But, it didn't melt in the volcano. It was stuck in the ground. Maybe it was where it fell, with Fi waitin' ta be reunited with her master, Link. They could BOTH be snarky. He was the master who became her brave pal. And maybe the Master Sword was a friend to its masters 'cuz of Fi bein' their friend. She was like a genius with her guesses involvin' percentages. She developed happiness in the time they spent together.
The most pointless quest he’s been on? That logic isn’t straight, it’s the hardest quest he’s ever been on could be easier to argue, but since this quest ends with him defeating demise and setting up the story for all future games it definitely isn’t pointless
Well in retrospective i miss her. If you have the same issue just buy the new Fiphone! It comes wit a percentage battery icon, a percentage frequenzy icon and can calculate almost everything into percentages with a slight error margin of 101%.
Its now available in every material you can imagine and all colors your tongue can hear.
How many do we win?
14 million 605
Link: I don’t care
I love how you decided to use Phoenix Wright BGM for this video. And that dedication and effort to make the video! You deserve more subs.
Great video...but Fi is WAY more annoying then navi and that is a fact ;p
Croton Thank you Croton! 🙏
Or is it? **Vsauce background music**
I haven't actually played a game with navi, so I have no idea xD
Difficulty getting the one to one sword motions to work correctly made me struggle through this game. Could be the controls, most likely its ME not doing the motions correctly, but still quite frustrating at times. Seems like I had to re-calibrate the controller constantly. Tons and tons of back tracking as well was annoying. I could live with Fi, just not the controls so much.
Loved the story and the music though.
Wow I thought you couldn’t do any better yet you cease to amaze me
I love the Phoenix Wright music in the background
I actually liked Fi and never once found her to be annoying. I was never annoyed by Navi either. So, am I strange? Or is everyone else just unreasonably irritable?
I never had motion control problems with skyward sword? I thought it was a lot of fun! Despite twilight princess being my favourite!
The only thing is that i had to hold the controller a certain way to get my loftwing to fly properly but it wasn't really a problem for me haha
I dont know if I'd consider this his most pointless quest, but rather showing the odds that Link usually goes against, and always overcomes. You could say its a measure of how rare of a person Link is each reincarnation lol.
Very true, he could just be very lucky 😂
The Ace Attorney music makes this theory 100% more amazing
Wow this video was a great video just like all your other ones. PS. Your hyahhh remix is your best video
Hey there. Why don't you cover the Kokiris' transformation into Koroks?
Gaster would be proud!
Those r just the estimated odds fi came up with. There r countless other events or situations with their own probabilies also. The chance of success is lower significantly from your estimate
“Hey......hey........listen............ “ I suppose hearing that over and over should take the award for most annoying sidekick lol
Or all this could just be a testament to the spirit of the hero link possesses
It takes commitment to do so much math
You have the exact take on skyward sword as I do I wanted to play it so much and I downloaded it on the wii u and I love the art stile and have always loved the game
I literally got it on the wii u wagon about two weeks ago and so far I’m loving it, not sure why there is so much hate.
I thought the thumbnail saying "impossible" it meant that demises curse cant be broken...
...
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Or can it?
Only Ganon can break the curse
But he doesn't want to
Had the same expectation for the video tbh
Link defeating Demise is the equivalent of the Maricle on Ice times 1000. It's that huge of an upset.
Sky bound Blade! Finally!
I liked the motion control.
The key element of your average hero's story is to *D E F Y* the odds. That's the joke with Fi.
Well use THIS: Technically the Avengers had a 1 in 14,605,000 chance of beating Thanos, but because that very small chance of the future was known and set into motion, that small chance became definite. I feel like that is similar with Skyward Sword, especially since Hylia knew the future to an extent, knowing she had to be reborn later on as a mortal. Plus, Hylia created Fi.
Sees NintendoBlackCrisis video clicks. It's a super mathy video. Me: Aww man! I just got out of school!!
Once the result of one chance is determined, that probably changes to 100% or 0%. Also, in the game world, if something wasn't in a specific place, Link would just search elsewhere. The only way this calculation makes sense is if the probabilities are all calculated without knowledge of any of the results and, importantly, success of all the individual probabilities is the only route to completing Link's quest. Also, Fi would have to be good at calculating probabilities.
what's the name of the background song at 12:20?
7:10 I kinda just shoot randomly and hit the ship from pure luck
My dad has been hit by lightning twice, so I'd say odds of a thing happening doesn't matter, its circumstance. Both times were when he had climbed up a mast just before thunderstorms started, but I'm just sayin..
Finally, your tweets makes it impossible to wait
NBC I have a theory for you
Here the story: I was swimming in rutile lake just finding koroks. After I was done I just teleported to the shrine on satori mountain. Keep in mind i was in the water. I noticed while Link was teleporting in the water he is still moving, while when he's in the air on on the ground he stops moving. Its weird.