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My hot take is Wuk Lamat is a Primal with how everyone behaves around her (including the WoL) all instantly love and worship her
@@phandaal she's like the Endsinger, but instead of making the people of Etherys feel despair, she targets the player base 😂
Wuk Lamat somehow made the reeds grow by having a random festival, and then a random bird comes out of nowhere in order to make her look good.
She's either really lucky, the writing is contrived, or Wuk can manipulate reality and bend it to her will because she's a Primal.
I think that's called a self-insert Mary sue
The real wuk lamat hot take is she should've kept the turban
I think she looked better with it
@@yanipheonudid you not read the quests? She didn’t “somehow” make the reeds grow. She figured bringing back the festivities would help them. It just happened to be the float that was doing it. You even had the follow up quests telling you why it worked.
Oddly enough DT wouldn't have been the first time the scions were written out. Heavensward msq was done 90% without scions. Mostly just alphinaud. Yshtola was just used to be introduced her master, than essentially dropped from the story. My hot take is that DT would have been a fair superior story if all 4 Claments of the throne were forced to travel together instead separate. Even with all the same story beats, just seeing each Claments point of view for each "Trail" and their answers would be far more interesting.
100%, like it would have been fine if we had just krile, Alisaie and Alphinaud there, then force us to actually idk,GET, TO KNOW, THE CAST
The Scions were written out as you say, but in a different manner. In the past the Scions would be scattered/captured/away but the MSQ would generally use that excuse to develop the WoL as an individual, sometimes by forming new alliances (Coerthas/Ishgard) political and pesonal, or other things. And sometimes this exclusion of the Scions was perceived as going too far, as when Yshtola as you mention, would be dropped out of the story for an entire expac. But Dawntrail is on a whole other level. Here the WoL and the Scions are often present but in a way that reduces them to extras or stage scenery. Literally sidelined in scenes they are all present in, yet contributing nothing.
@qamarqammar7629 I agree the scions were sidelined differently. I was more focused on that the key plot device of scions not being around can be done if that is written well. As you said, which I agree, the writers did it badly.
Yes I agree. There are so many ways this could have been done differently, better, and without creating the backlash they are getting now. Nothing wrong with Scions being away for a bit, nothing wrong with a vacation, nothing wrong with dialling back the drama, lowering the stakes, getting to know new characters. It's all in the execution.
@@qamarqammar7629 yeps
The one thing that disappointed me the most in DT is the fact that we did not get way more glamour dresser space. This really p*sses me off.
Yoshi P said that increased glam dresser space is being worked on, I believe.
I want the plate to get bigger. Atleast one per class.
I think the merging of Sphene's world and ours should've already begun prior to us heading over to the island. Then during the rite of succession, you are running into weird buildings that shouldn't exist. Running into ppl with memory issues.. maybe someone coming back to life. You'd be introduced to Sphene early on but she wouldn't reveal who she was right off the bat. She'd be looking for someone to help her.. which then she would find Zoraal Ja. There would be moments between them in the story that flesh out both of them further. Then you understand them working together. Then you could que in the post Rite of Succession stuff with a couple changes since you'd already know the players involved.
Imagine the final zone has you erasing people whom you've ran into out in the world since you didn't know that they were a part of that system at the time. That would made it a bit more impactful instead of just throwing Krile's parents in there.
I agree wholeheartedly. Throw in some foreshadowing about the dimensional fusion later on in Heritage Found and it would’ve been a much tighter story. Stuff like lightning aether erratically increasing around Tural, causing freak lightning storms and devastating structures and crops… or packs of utterly alien and ravenous monsters coming out of other geographical features that may not have been there before, wreaking havoc on any passerby… something in the vein of what happened to Black Mesa in the Half-life series.
All of these potential catastrophes could have led into the Rite of Succession being a trial by fire for all of the candidates, creating moments in which they are forced to adapt or fail; this wouldn’t necessarily exclude the lessons about cultural unity either. You just need to look at the formation of the Grand Company of Eorzea to see why.
I also had this same idea before the 2nd half of the game. Doing this and they can keep us engaged in the first half, wonder what was happening to Tural and more work for the Scions, they could ask for Nero and Cid consultation etc. What we got was that Sphene and the entire Alexandria stuffs were introduced way too late, making the 1st half felt disconnected and feel like a drag.
I actually didnt understand the 'risk' of this dimentional fusion, I might be remembering It wrong but I think they did say at one point that the shard vanish after a successful rejoining.
@@iwantobeliev9633 This was a mistake the game made by not connecting the player with Yyasulani as a zone or with it's people before the fusion happened. The land was destroyed and forever changed. A lot of people would have died. The game doesn't want to get into it so does a time skip partially to avoid the immediate aftermath - which is an unfortunate choice because it might give a different impression of disabling Living Memory if you actually see the cost of keeping it running.
My point wasnt even about caring about the people in Yyasulani or Living Memory.
My point was more like:
From my understanding when a shard is rejoined, the broken world turns into aether along with its denizens and zodiark piece, the resulting flow of aether into the source end up turning into fuel to a calamity.
While Alexandria might have been spared inside the plot armor thunder barrier and its transposition changed the landscape where it landed, the shard from wich they came have already been rejoined, so there's nothing else there to be fused into the source and I dont remember Spheene saying she would try the fusion with another shard.
So when she says that she will fuse the dimensions (and the only dimensions she might know at that point is hers, the one of the millalas that got frozen and the source) I was like "sure go ahead, there's nothing there anymore so what gives"
I think sphene was actually pretty cool include....just ruined by wuklamat. the idea that sphene would turn to the worst people imaginable just to save her people actually makes sense when consider how her civilization survives. they showed us that her people adored her and visa verse. Otis dying in the story and dungeon is what sealed it for me.
unfortunately instead of trying to relate to us....its to wuklamat...and by that point of the story...im sick and tired of wuklamat...i hated her so bad that when she jumps MID FIGHT to steal our win, i stopped pressing button midfight to process it for a good few secs...
You know what the worst part about that moment is?
The fact that the writers specifically have Erenville say that he's going to stay behind to man the control systems so that he can quickly get ALL of the Scions present at the gate to come in and help us. If he can get all of them that easily, why only send her? Wuk Lamat saving us like that is a forced bullshit hero moment on every level conceivable, and even though I saw it coming a thousand malms away, it still majorly pissed me off.
Wuk Lamat didn't "steal" our win at all. She had far more stakes in this fight then we did. In case you forgot, she got inaugurated as co-ruler and less than a week later her people got attacked and some got slurped into the soul machine. Her adoptive mother was denied seeing her for the rest of her life and got slurped into the soul machine. All she did was (if you were actually paying attention to the fight) spam her personal Tank LB3 a few times to provide us with safe spots to continue doing all the hard work of actually killing the boss. She knew she couldn't carry the ring for you, but she knew she could carry you
@@TheManBehindtheScreen did you feel the same way about the Scions saving us from Endwalker with the literal power of friendship?
@@tatersalad76 no, because in that case there were are a few major differences. Firstly, the entire zone of Ultima Thule establishes what sort of things are possible with dynamis, which opens up what they did as a distinct possibility. Secondly, we're acutely aware of the power that belief and desire have in XIV, as that's a major part of what fuels the power of the Primals. Thirdly, it's not a case where it's just one Scion pulling out this "oh shit" card to save us from Meteon's spell. It's all of the major players - G'raha, Thancred, Y'shtola, Urianger, Estinien, and the twins are all channeling their prayers and hopes for our survival.
The instance in EW's finale where I did roll my eyes is when Zenos goes full breaking and entering mode as Shinryu out of nowhere. Great spectacle, but still a pretty dumb plot convenience. Wuk Lamat showing up by herself to save the day feels closer to that, but worse for one reason that none of those moments in EW have: they support our moment as the WoL, where Wuk Lamat showing up steals the spotlight for herself, as if she hasn't had enough of it already.
You raise a very good point in that sphene was hampered by wuk as much as anyone else in the story.
Key here is what you said about her relating to wuk, when she could've been a lot more interesting if she related her crusade to the player. She is willing to harm others to save her people on the one hand, you having gone so far as to dismantle an entire empire for the safety of your own people on the other.
I liked the Alexandria portion as a whole, and feel that we simply didn't get enough time with Sphene and her kingdom. I really wish the whole rite of succession hadn't eaten up so much of the expansion.
Sphene's VA was simply outstanding!
I feel completelhy opposite, the Alexandria part felt jarring and tone shifting so badly to introduce new characters in such weird manner. Sphhene wasso forced to act the way it was that by the end I didn't care at all.
Alexandria should've been a separate expansion altogether instead of being shoehorned into this one.
I wonder though if Lindblum is secretly still existing and we'll have to fight some weird Viper with a tail somewhere down the line.
@@lawrencelopez9839 there's also the possibility that Preservation is still around and they'll start to pop up as the new villain group; I highly doubt the folks responsible for creating the soul/memory extraction technology would just up and vanish.
Sphene got Otis deleted for nothing. She couldn't die. Why did he sacrifice himself for nothing?......
Probably his trauma took over him, he could not forgive himself for not rescuing Sphene so he acted irrationally
Otis my goat
@@piconio Oh, Otis acting the way he did is perfectly done. I just think Sphene is kind of a jerk for not just jumping over to a robot off to the side and telling him to move XD
Yeah Otis was awesome but Sphene just sitting there while he was Hauchefanting it up was kind of funny lol
His sacrifice would have hit harder if Zoraal Ja locked Sphene into one body or something else that prevents her from jumping into another body
Brute Bomber got more characterization in the 10 minute fight you fight him in then Zarool Ja in like 10 hours of MSQ
Zarool Ja has plenty of characterisation, he just doesn’t showboat it off.
@MayHugger oh sure standing there silently as Krile states the bad lizard is bad oooohhhh nooooooo
I agree, Zoraal Ja's name isn't memorable either.
@@Doku71 The only reason I remember Zoraal Ja's name is because his fight is at least, interesting for a trial
Wuk Lamat should have been removed from msq after the Rite, then the second half we travel with Krile, Erenville, and Otis (I NEED MORE OTIS) and have Sphene in a lot more content. Probably introduce Yyasulani earlier, have a rite there to meet Cahicua, and add a lot more to the pain.
Wuk Lamat had too much spotlight that sucked up everything we needed for Sphene, Otis, etc.
There's just a lot of things that are too similar to Endwalker but not as good. Valigarmanda's whole plot was similar to Zodiarc in that they were sealed, is expected to be a huge threat, gets free but dies early into the expansion only Zodiarc had a few expansions to be built up. Sphene and the last area was too similar to a certain emo bird and last expansion's last area.
Valigarmanda was just a gimmick, they had to market the game as something with a huge threat, they even had it in the poster, turned out it was just a "threat" easily disposed of under 10 mins.
@@joshk6929 Super Easy, Barely An Inconvenience.
For reference, Valigarmanda is from FF6, and actually starts the plot of FF6. It's the reason why Terra is in the mech in the snow, to retrieve it for the empire. It was because of them that Terra is freed from the slave crown and the story begins.
Meanwhile Valigarmanda in XIV is released because a two headed lizardman wanted a distrsction. The distraction does nothing, and there are no consequences for them being released, other than some giants are out of a job. They are not even kicked out of the contest for this.
One of these things is not like the other....
@@yanipheonu I truly do not understand how Bakoo Ja ja wasn't immediately disqualified for literally trying to fuck the world over.
One of my hot takes: After the cutscene between M2 and M3 in the Arcadion, Yaana was a more engaging and better fleshed out character than anyone introduced in the Dawntrail MSQ.
honestly I agree
The Arcadion story is genuinely more interesting than the entirety of DT's MSQ so far. It's exactly the sort of plot light, action heavy story I wanted them to tell for the various zones of the MSQ.
TRUUEEEEE
I kind of wished they had just made the arcadion the entirety of the MSQ especially since it involves the main conflict, souls. Would've ended up being like Anita battle angel kinda
Me and my good friend were saying the same. The raid story is so much better than all of dt 😂
Here's my hot take:
We've never met the Real Sphene.
We met an AI construct of Sphene that was an accidental Paperclip Maximizer, except instead of turning the universe into paperclips, her directive was to turn the universe into fuel to perpetually preserve Alexandrian Citizens.
The REAL Sphene that died in the flashback at the Alexandria dungeon wasn't like the one we met at all.
She was made from second and third hand accounts of citizens who may have met or saw her and gave their imperfect data to the construct.
The REAL Sphene is one of the splintered shards of an ascian, likely Altima, and since the crown regulator is free from the Sphene.exe program, it will resurrect the real one using the soul of the Altima that Gaius killed on the source during his time as the Shadowhunter.
I mean we really didn't meet the real version of any of the endless maybe otis but I don't know the full details of his robot body.
Unfortunately the only time the game even hints at this is when we meet otis's endless in living memory and its kinda just glossed over
The real question with this expansion is: where the F did kid Gulool Ja came from?
He’s likely a clone, sort of like a Jango and Boba Fett situation
from Zoraal ja shed tail
@iwantobeliev9633 I noticed that several characters in DT only seem to have one parent. We meet Wuk Lamat's father, with no mention of the mother at all. Same for Zoraal Ja and Gulool ja. Erinville has a mother, but no mention of a father. Only Krile and Bakool Ja Ja have both.
@@ChannelRaznoff Well according to the lore, Male Viera in Tural do not stay in 1 place too long. They have multiple wife in multiple place because Male Viera is very rare and they move from 1 place to another and visit their family from time to time. OFC exception do existed.
@shadeofred7442 Here's my problem with that. If Sphene had the technology to make Clones, the entire plot of the Endless is completely nonsensical. They have the technology to extract memories so load up the clone with the memories of the person and you no longer need souls to keep the endless alive. That's a major plothole if he turns out to be a clone
Okay, here's my hot take then. The Rite of Succession story should never have happened. As a premise, it's too complex for the plot light story they wanted to present in the first half.
My expectation when we did our first adventure with Wuk Lamat back in Endwalker was that we were going to get a story that drew its inspiration from classic pulp adventure fiction. I'm talking things like Conan, Solomon Kane, Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser, Tarzan, The Jungle Book, and so on; stories which were lighter on plot, but chock full of adventure, action, and fun. That vibe was put into place with the little adventure we take with Wuk Lamat on the Isle of Haam, and it would have been the perfect sort of thing to draw inspiration from for a lighter story like what they wanted to tell. It's the sort of thing they tried to do with the first half of Shaaloani, and while it has its issues, that portion of the MSQ was considerably more fun than exploring the shallow complexities of the rite of succession.
Additionally, one of the big benefits that would come from taking an approach inspired by old adventure stories is that they lend themselves to carrying larger overarching plots. Recurring villains are a common thing in those stories, and that would have played very nicely to characters like Bakool Ja Ja and Zoraal Ja. Those stories are also written to be self-contained, able to be enjoyed on their own just as much as they are able to be enjoyed in bulk. Granted, the team did do this to some degree with the individual tribe stories in the first three zones, but there wasn't enough there. They were too shallow, stretched too far. They needed to be willing to either be snappier with what they had or fill the time they wanted with more events that were higher stakes for those regions.
We should have gotten more small-scale conflicts to force Wuk Lamat out of her comfort zone. More situations that required our involvement. More in general to do in these early zones that wasn't just the rampant Beast Tribe style busywork we did for the Pelu Pelu, the Hanuhanu, and the Moblins. Give us proper stakes for those people. Give us a reason to be there that we can feel in the story and the gameplay. Give us actual adventure!
My problem with wuk lamat is that she didnt learnt anything, she would have learnt the culture sooner or later that was always her character. So i think it would have been better if she had begin as a white mage and was not willing to fight for anything and only want to protect. That way we have 3 cores to being a king, protect the people, protect the culture and fight off any threat, and each promise would have 1 thing to learn. Then zorool ja would have make a deal to make his people eternal in exchange for leading the army, this way we show he also wanted to protect his people. And the story would all have been about what it takes to be a good king.
The Role Quest and Tulliyolal Delivery Quest are better written than the DT MSQ. Like we get to learn more about Tural, explore their cultures in an intimate level and how our actions affect their ways in a meaningful way than what we did in DT MSQ as whole.
I feel like DT MSQ let us explore culture like we’re in a theme park attraction while the side content allow us to explore more than just the surface. Is a damn shame and wasted potential.
It was happy until the end lol. I personally havent cryed that hard when we got to Living Memory. Reminded me i havent gotten over my moms death either lol. Anyways, hot take, i think next arc should be like a villain arc. Either we are the bad guy, hopping from place to place while the Scions try to hunt us down or Azem should come back. Seeing as the ending was all about him/her and you by proxy.
Havent we agreed to help Wuk Lamat because she feared that Zoraal Ja planned on attacking Garlemald if he gets to be the dawnservant? Thats the reason the twins went to tural.. but they never talked about it in the actual expansion
Zorral's motivies were god awful at the start of the xpack, he literally just said basically "oh the gearleans did their job wrong, leeme be dawnservant so I can show ya how to world domination correctly". It's such a....like....what the fuck moment? Seriously the biggest issue with dawntrail is the writers did a pretty poor job at making convincing motivations for the villians.
Here's mine:
Xak Tural and Mamook got screwed over because the writers have become reliant on the 2nd act twist formula that Shadowbringers started. The Alexandria stuff should've been left for post-patch content like the void was or just be its own expansion.
Zoraal Ja should've gotten more screentime and an actual personality instead of hopping from shallow motivation to shallow motivation every other appearance, and he should've been the final boss. How could he do that without the tech? Simple, have him do some Primal-esque stuff with his followers' faith and expectations (you know, that thing the story told us was weighing down on him at the last minute) and the baby jars in Skydeep Cenote.
Either the Rite of Succession should've been the whole expansion so other characters could shine along the way, or act 2 should've been the a completely separate adventure in Xak Tural with just Erenville and Krile so they could get the screentime they should've had. Have Estinien/Y'shtola/Thancred/Urianger pop up every now and then just to fill up Trust Roles for dungeons then have them go on their way or just give us one-off npc trusts like Lyna and the Elpis trio were.
Overall, I wanted the summer vacation we were promised, not yet another world-ending apocalypse caused by yet another ancient hyperadvanced civilization.
The fact that I feel like Zorraal ja wouldn't have even DONE the second of the story if he just talked to his dad really says a lot...like seriously, it felt like Gullool ja ja was the emperor from 40k in the level of how poorly he raised Zoraal ja. I do agree and I REALLY rolled my eyes the instant the dome appeared like "oh for fuck's sake is it REALLY another world ending threat?"
I agree with that first take. The rug pool that Emet brought them ALL back after they laid down their lives for cause, made me put my controller down and contemplate leaving the playthough there.
They could have even done with they did with ARR with Y'sthola and Thancred, that they were gone...but there was still a hope they could be returned to us, and that alone could spark so many new stories into researching dynamis and working towards creating a miracle by one by one returning the scions to us. But no. Emet...I love you, but you needed to mind your own beeswax.
"The old heads" are only 30-40... it'll be 20-40 years before most of the "Old heads" die off. Not everything needs to be made for gen z who dont even really game in the field of MMORPG's. They play things like minecraft and fortnite which is fine as well. Different markets for different interests is okay. After all if i wanted to sell golfclubs I dont go to a football stadium. Its called target audiences.
Yaana and Honey B Lovely should join the main cast. Yaana might have relatives on the source and Honey clearly craves adventure.
Yaana and her sisters have relatives in source because their parents are from Tural that got traped inside Dome.
only if Honey B has a different normal voice from her stage voice. That is too grating and annoying.
No thanks.
Hot take: Flashing the Scions and then Meteor himself at the end of the final gameplay trailer before release while talking about sacrifice borders on false advertisement.
The old parts of ff14 are great actually. Only been playing for a little over a year, but I remember really enjoying ARR. It felt more like a game where the pieces were building slowly. At the time of DT release, I felt like I needed to rush to trials and crafting gear bis. Totally different experience from when you begin to the later expacs.
We agree to disagree. I wish people would stop comparing older stories' expansions and look to the new. Wuk lamat is naive to the world around her. This is not good nor bad. Warrior of light turns back into a humble yet seasoned adventurer. There will be all types of people's characteristics one should come across, not just cynical or researchers. I like the last line of the video: "dont' take everything too seriously," in life or in gaming.
My hot take is, I actually enjoyed Dawntrail. I say hot take because it seems like everyone online doesn't like it at all, at least from what I've seen. Granted I'm more than willing to admit it has flaws: it's pacing isn't the best (too slow in the first half, too quick in the second), as much as I love Wuk Lamat she does get overly focused on and gets about 90% of the character development which is a problem with the writing. And Krile felt like she was just sort of forgotten until the last area of the expansion.
That said, I enjoyed my time in Dawntrail. It just makes me a little sad not everyone did. Oh well. I'm not gonna flame anyone for not enjoying it, and whatever criticism that people have of the expansion I'm sure that the FF14 team is looking over it and seeing how they can improve in the future.^^
Like many have mentioned, I feel like the pacing of 7.0 was definitely weird. I don't really blame the writers as writing a pretty much brand new story is very difficutl, but given the current 7.0 story we have, I think one of the following to options could have made it better:
1. Make the whole Tural part a lot longer with slower pacing, more "boring" world-building, and more time to know the new cultures and see the Scions interact with the new world. Then in later patches do the Alexandria story (like the post 6.0 story about Zero and the Void).
2. Start the whole story with Alexandria invading Tural. People in Tural already know about and have some connections with Sharleyan, Eorzea and the rest of the world, so let the story start with them asking for help due to not being able to stop Alexandria. Let us spend more time learning about Tural after we've stopped Sphene, or even during the war while we're working together to hold them back. This I feel would make the trip to Tural more justified, though it would mean discarding the "WoL on vacation" vibe.
They're likely going to give more context on Alexandria and the portal key in the patches so we'll probably have to see how they handle that part to properly evaluate the choices they've made in 7.0 so far.
Instead of having the Twins turned into Nodding Machines, have them replaced with Erenville (DPS) and Wuk Evu (Healer).
Their personalities proved to bounce off each others, making a better narrative overall.
Plus, whichever zone you complete first, Wuk Evu would join the party before the first dungeon.
People keep saying "oh this is shonen" but I think the term "kodomo" fits better, specially on the first half.
Think less Demon Slayer, more Doraemon. lol.
Most of DTs narrative issues stem not from lazy writing alone but a lot more from formularic game design which changed with ShB.
We don't need 6 MSQ dungeons. We don't need a trial on lvl99. Look at HW/SB, they both had an optional leveling dungeon (51 / 63), both had the second trials at 57/67.
Using these liberties would allow for a more fleshed out story. Have all the claimants fail the final test (frees up lvl95 dungeon for now) and let Gulool JaJa act on his words of not crowning any of them. Wuk Lamat should still be worthless at this point, let her be the one dragging you down and loosing the fight against him. Let the invasion play out similar but focus more on the still grumpy Bakool JaJa and Wuk Lamat, give them less forced bonding time. Put Vanguard dungeon at 95 instead and make us take over the base instead during most of lvl96 (to still get Shaaloani some screentime). This leaves more room for Zoraal Ja and Sphene to be explored. Dungeon and trial both at 97, we still got a whole level left to explore more people of Solution9/Heritage Found and their opinions. All this is time Wuk Lamat is actually able to grow and deserve the respect of her people, allowing her to retry the final test. She wins, we can go to the portal (that is not behind a dungeon) and maybe still got room for 1-2 additional quests in Living Memory. Now we have more backstory on the characters involved, Wuk Lamat had a better growth and while we fight Queen Eternal as if it were an average Wednesday, she can rightfully solo the last 20% as she is way more invested than us.
The 2nd trials being at the n9th level instead of n7th has bothered me since ShB. There's too large of a gap between them in the middle and it feels like the story pacing keeps suffering because of it. The lead up to both Mount Gulg/Innocence and Aitiascope/Hyadaelyn was painful (complete with inappropriate zone music override!). The sense of urgency for Innocence and Zoraal Ja in particular come to a grinding halt. Hell, Zoraal Ja was actually able to invade because we (Lamat) were taking our sweet sweet time taking a tour of S9.
For me, both the invasion came too late in the story and the Rite of Succession was wrapped up too early. And actually, I agree with the notion that we shouldn't have been asked by Wuk Lamat to participate, it should've been an invitation from Gulool Ja Ja to keep an eye on ALL of the claimants. But I also wish the invasion had happened earlier and put the Rite of Succession on hold. The results of staving off the invasion would feel a much more natural conclusion to Wuk Lamat and Koana becoming Dawnservant than winning the competition.
that first take i would have to say that if everyone died that would be the end of the game at least for me. i think that it would have made the Endwalker the actual end and i don't think they could have recovered from that. these are characters that we have grown to love and i think that for at least the majority of us we wouldn't be able to build up a new team and ever have it mean anything closE to how much the Scions meant to us.
I think the ui complaint might come from how the default ui settings is like which personally i think is genuinely awful and heavily outdated in key parts like movement. The customisation is fantastic and it looks nice visually so that aspect is great but updating the default settings could do wonders easing newer players into the game.
To be honest, with the story, I feel if they started with dome showing up, and Erenville asking the Scions help, then we get introduced to Tural, the leader and his kids as side characters that would join us once a while, while exploring Alexandria and souls stuff more, and focused on showing instead of telling.. i think this would have been completely different and way better than the garbage we suffered through, and going through the different cultures with seeing not telling, like how we did in every other expansion, specially in SHB.
Wuk Lamat character is so boring and cliche I was rolling my eyes they almost got stuck inside my head, (I played with Japanese VA and it was so good on that regard) and tbh Wuk Lamat is the worst friend ever, because when Sphene hinted at where to look for Erenville’s mother, Lamat brushed it aside and went to learn about how they grow crops in Alexandria, and he has no choice to wait since he can’t fight till Wuk Lamat took a tour around their farms and HELPED them WTF
The complaint about Wuk Lamat fucking off to learn about how Alexandrians grow crops I've also pointed out myself but... more harshly: How is Erenville not absolutely livid when he sees that Wuk Lamat choosing to understand the people who invaded his homeland, and subjugated his friends and family?!
@@elrilmoonweaver4723right!? It doesn’t make sense, I was waiting for him to yell at someone to pay attention to what’s important right now, but nope, he nods and went along with them lol
The DT cast should've been Us, Erenville, Graha, and Wak Lamat.
For Trust/Duty Support reasons, Wuk Lamat is capable of being the definitive Tank(DPS if they keep the shtick of shoving characters in a role even if their class/job isnt that role)
Graha never got his adventure, is the very knowledgeable for the magical/metaphysical aspects of the story(especially in the later half), and is an all arounder, so he can sub for whatever role is needed based on your WOLs job/class.
And Erenville and Krile get to get their character exploration.
Graha and the WOL imo would make good mentors for Wik Lamat as well.
The WOL as a training partner and Graha as her mentor in leadership for obvious reasons.
My hot take is:
I believe the storytelling aspect of the game should stop, and should have stopped with EW. It's okay to leave mysteries out in the world, it leaves a lot for creative thinking to the players for RP purposes or theorizing and allows the devs to flesh out this game into a "proper" MMORPG instead of starting on great ideas for a patch then completely forgetting about them when the following patch/expansion rolls around. There's so much potential in this game just left behind: Squadrons(Yes I know they SORTA evolved into Trusts, but there's still potential there for our Squadron npcs), Egi-Glamour, Island Sanctuary, and Chocobo Racing/Breeding just to name a few.
Now will this ever happen, and do I expect them to do this? No, because they have built their audience up around the storytelling aspect. But it is a shame when low points/quality like in DT arise because of a lot of themes have already played out for general story telling beforehand. The only place they can go from here that will "top" everything else would be our Source and Shards is only one "Bubble" in the grander universe that has their own "Bubbles" with an even bigger puppeteer orchestrating Everything. And other than that of finishing up what's left to explore of the source and other shards, basically rehashing a lot of stuff that's already been done to an extent in themes alone.
This sorta ties into the final Hot take in the video, and I agree with them on the part about moving onto the next FF MMO. Just cause another FF MMO comes out doesn't mean XIV won't continue to receive updates. In fact, FFXI just got their "final expansion" in 2023. They'll never give up on XI as they won't for XIV. The best way I can put it is: "If you have one lemonade stand that's doing really well, why wouldn't you open up another?" That opens up so much room for additional funds to the company. And like a lot of XI players did when XIV came out(outside of the issues with 1.0 lol), there would be a wave of players in XIV that would go check out the next FF MMO. I know I would.
With that, to clarify again: No I do not expect any of this to happen, or at least anytime soon. Maybe in 7years minimum we'll get an announcement trailer(nothing more than just that) to the next FF MMO, but that's about it. Is fun to ponder on is all, please do not take it seriously reader.
At the end of endwalker I told graha that I wasn't sure about the whole thing
Both being a kingmaker and playing another expansion after being disappointed by EW
Graha told me to go there ans see how things were, that I needn't decide now
It was just a nod to "try out the expac before you rule it out" but also worked for me because to me my character was doubtful about the whole thing and wasn't commiting to anything
Of course, I had to accept it to continue the story past the start but at least I had a small say
The first hot take is absolutely what I thought when I saw literally the afk completely irrelevant scions in DT. If only they had died in EW it would have been a true masterpiece, sure, they were there to give a message, but the resurrection at the end felt meh. I was so thrilled when I saw Thancred confront Meteion and then disappear, only to have that squashed with the mass resurrection a few minutes later.
it was more like hours if you took your time but I see your point, tbh I would've preferred the patch content been searching for the souls of the scions, but that last trial made up for all the rug pulling imo
DT should have been based on FF10 lol. 9 felt so forced in at the end.
My HOT take is that the team should've been only you, Krile and Wuk and that the promises are supposed to recruit a member from each region as part of the trial but since her dad want to open up borders he encouraged the participants to also recruit champions from outside. Then, you three would've gone and recruited characters like Mablu, one of the Goblins, etc... and finally Bakool Jaja would join your party after the events in Yak T'el (His team left him for being an ass, but he redeems slowly after he joins us). Obviously leaving more screentime for every other new party member, specially Krile. Come the final battle, the new party members would slowly jump in and help a little. Obviously it'd be cool to have party members from such races but I guess they need to consider the "Trust" system, which just forces them to use characters based on the playable races, yes, this sucks. Either way, not like this would fix all of DT's story problems.
Disregard that, I think that is hardly a hot take, now for the REAL hot take:
i liked FFIX but the references were forced as fuck, I feel they didn't belong and they were a bit too much" IN YOUR FACE", I guess that kinda works for side content like raids but in MSQ I just think it was too much on top of the LatAm setting and THEN the futuristic stuff. If you ask me, I'd rather commit fully and have the Golden City be some cool Mayan dimensional space instead of, yet again ANOTHER modern city in which the final dungeon is you running and living their final moments, this is the third time in a row they pulled that off.
I cant really bring myself to like Sphene as a villain because they try to set her up as the tragic queen who feels she has no other choice. Except she never really looks for another choice. She briefly chats with us during the tour and seems to be trying to pick our brains on what we think of Alexandria but she never actually seeks our aid. She decides to side with Zoraal Ja *before* we even know what the Endless truly are. It made it feel hollow to me.
My take: the msq is one time use content, it being mid isn't that important, I only interact with it once.
Your tiltcamera angle is tilting me. 👀
That one article about SE's online games being the only money makers was just based on the most recent quarter (not overall) and that quarter just happened to have no new single player games. SE's 2024 is very front and backloaded but there's not much in the middle so while XIV does keep them afloat during the dry months, it's certainly not the only money maker
I was in here! Thanks for reacting to my take!
Thanks for the take!
Dawntrail, and Endwalker but that's another story, feels like it should have been two expansions, or at least an expansion and patches. Dawntrail is supposed to be a vacation expansion, an expansion where things chill out, bad things happen, giant monsters risk destroying the countryside like Valigarmanda, but still pretty chill. But instead it ends up being _another_ save the world plot line, the escalation has gone down, but its still huge. Like the writers were worried people wouldn't be invested in a regular vacation plot so amped everything up significantly.
If it were up to me, it should have been a country exploring journey. Learning the surface levels of the cultures of Tural and how different they are, and helping people along the way. And during the second half be the actual Rite of Succession where we learn the deeper differences of Tural. And at the end of the expansion you build up to Sphenes appearance for the patches. Add in some proper build up of characters like Bakool Jaja and actual characterization for Wuk Lamat instead of making her the most one note happy go lucky character who learns but doesn't evolve as a character.
According to everyone who preferred levels 97 - 99, myself included, this is not a hot take, this is a blazing inferno take.
I don't need the Scions to die, but a break from them would have been nice. Also, the fact that they keep giving them dramatic death scenes just for them to be fake-outs is very annoying. The next time they kill off a main character, I want them to stay dead.
I agree with your take on the Rite of Session story. Very simplistic (not in a good way) when compared to ARR-EW. It would have made more sense if the WoL went to Tural for Krile's story and then got caught up in the Rite due to Zarool Ja and/or Bakool Ja Ja's actions.
It could have been the vacation we were promised that was then hijacked by the Rite of Session machinations.
Hot take - the story was really good but wasn’t given enough time to develop. It was too condensed for the level of depth that would have been needed.
Here's my hot take: dawntrail should've been delayed two months.
Hot take: I love Wuk Lamat. She reminds me of my Malinois. Even when the story got boring, I was bored with my doggo together. We BOTH suffered 😁
I think the second half of the expansion is better than the first, but honestly the story is just horrible as a whole. And as most people seem to agree with me, Wuk Lamat is a horrible NPC and I would never support her given how childish and little she knows of her own people. Sure there was character development, but it was done very poorly and I don't want to deal with her again. Sphene wasn't handled the worst, but they could have done much better especially when this is post Endwalker and we have seen how they can tell a story. Also, why the hell do we keep leaving powerful McGuffin's on the ground (or just left in the wilds expecting no one will find them) for people to pick up? I still don't understand how people think these difficulties are too hard, they aren't the worst once you've seen the mechanic once or twice (teacup boss I somewhat understand, lot of people have issues with the old follow the cup game). First time going through the new raids (regular) I think I only died on the 1st and 3rd boss once each, 99% of the mechanics are pretty easy to figure out without reading but I've seen so many people get booted off of the stage or land on a damaged tile in that first fight as well. Now that isn't to say I didn't have vuln stacks, sorry to the healer that had to deal with my dps having 3 stacks in that 3rd fight when I didn't realize how his combo'd skills were going off, still not the worse for going in blind. Ready for a new FF MMO, need new characters that aren't on par with gods lol.
FFXIV DT is currently in a situation that either the future patches will continue to be mediocre at best or the writer becomes a god and thinks of a major plot twist. Will resume my sub if 7.1 piqued my interest.
This whole expansion was just a let down,Nothing happened the way they made it seem. First,I didn’t get a single god damn taco! Second, the scions were supposed to have different views , which is why we were supporting different people, I was expecting to cross blades with thancred at some point,that didn’t happen, in fact the WOL was basically a side character. How the F*** do we go from slaying gods , to struggling against lesser beings?? .. they said no end of the world than basically proceeds to give us a end of the world scenario. Again we’re basically a god & we just standing there while ppl are dying…Last we have Wuk Lamat, we just agree to help her without knowing anything about her? Don’t even have to option to tell her NO? She gets a random power up that don’t make any sense , her childish personality is annoying asf. I could keep going , buts it’s not worth it, the fights are top tier, but as far as the story & the characters go, personally I think this is their worst expansion & whoever did the writing for this,shouldn’t be writing anything else .
I'll be honest. I 100% think what could have saved this initial story is indeed pacing. The Rite of Succession should not have concluded with 7.0, it's way too fast, and has almost no development, it should have been given in stages, possibly ending on perhaps 7.3, it really felt rushed and Wuk Lamat develops way too fast and in a stereotypical manner of C tier anime where the plot can't focus on deeper points before doing time skips, only here there are no time skips, so it ends up looking much worse. Even Zero in EW didn't develop as fast as Wuk and she's literally a side character
Only problem I have with FF7 Rebirth is that it hasn't came out on PC yet.
Yeah I hope they get 16 and Rebirth on PC soon, I imagine they are taking their time with it cause they are going to lean into multiplatform from here on out and prob don't want a reputation of "we make bad PC ports"
@@JMulls16 has shown to have a gpu req for pc so it might be coming out soon
Like how everyone thinks they are a writer, meanwhile , if the story were told with their ideas that they want , everyone would hate them as well 😂
Well, I tell you 1, Dawntrail is a really bad expansion, almost feel like a scam.
Here the sad thing I have a friend they were playing on ps5 they were lagging first time they were doing dungeon number 3 they told me they were kick in the first area and told to get gid so this is the down side to making things alittle hard you will have people like that kick you. Also one was mentor
After defeating the being that had killed 99.9 percent of the universe, you can no longer narratively present a convincing threat to the WoL. The WoL should have died in 6.x. All it would take is letting Golbez succeed with a rejoining while the WoL is in the 13th. Then it's not a matter of the WoL being defeated or overpowered. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The world ended and everything, including you, gets absorbed into the Source. 7.0 should have been a time skip and you are now playing the next incarnation of Azem. You get to meet the next generation of Scions. It would have been awesome.
sounds too much like some 14 year old's fanfic... gameplay wise you'd have to age up or replace all the NPCs in every side quest and stuff. How would you explain job quests and repeatables... maintaining all the gear, skills, and every minor detail
We beat the Endsinger due to the dynamis gimmick. In fact, most big bads in this game are overcome due to a mix of teamwork and some clever gimmick we exploit to win. WoL isn't nearly as broken and godlike as the players like to pretend they are. They're strong, but by no means this unstoppable Mary Sue everyone sees them as. Killing them off would also be a terrible decision, thematically and narratively.
@@SaltNip yeah, he talks like the wol solo'd it all when we had help from summoned heroes and a stalker dragon
I mean honestly most conflicts in this game are resolved that way. FF14 is very much a power of friendship heavy game, and it's a major recurring theme that no matter how strong a hero is, they're never going to accomplish anything all that significant on their own. We always need support and cooperation from the characters around us to win. We literally couldn't have even beat Endsinger and saved Meteion without all the memories and bonds we made throughout the story influencing the Dynamis before, during, and after the fight. The WoLs signature ability is literally to call for help ffs.
And there's almost always a gimmick at play to allow us to level the playing field against vastly stronger opponents. Primal are just big elemental monsters, the blessing of light nullifies their most dangerous ability and then we gang up on them. Even regular people have had to face Primals before, at greater risk sure, but it's been done. Lahabrea was the weakest unsundered from all the possessions, Nidhogg we beat due to Hraesvelgr being a bro and lending his eye as a power boost, we used a gimmick machine to nullify Fordolas busted resonant powers, we would've lost to Emet if it hadn't been for Ardbert willingly rejoining with us and the Lightwarden corruption coming back to bite him in the ass, all convocation ascians need White Auracite or some equivalent to beat for real, both Zodiark and Hydaelyn were significantly weakened, everyone we couldn't talk down in post EW had to be sealed in Memoria or killed in the Source, and there's probably more I'm forgetting. Thordan and his knights are probably the only thing that stands out as a significantly powerful threat at that time in the plot that we just miraculously beat with no given explanation.
It's just weird to me that so many players get this weird ego around the WoL and see them as this all powerful unstoppable doomguy who could level continents or some shit, as opposed to what they actually are: a very strong and skilled fighter and adventurer, but ultimately existing within the confines of being a normal person with flaws, who can and has lost to other regular people before, like Zenos and Ran'jit. Stg people act like this is DragonBall and the WoL has the highest power level, so that means they automatically win.
@@SaltNipI mean, we tank a supernova that desolated most of the land, and broke out of a time rift with raw strength alone at level 50. And most of our big fights we canonically beat on our own, our character is absolutely Godlike because that’s how they keep writing us…when they want us to fight a big bad, the rest of the time the story treats us like a toddler that can’t do anything on their own and can be threatened by a random animal because God for I’d our character do anything useful in a cutscene. The issue is that they actually DO have our character have some ridiculous feats, and even if you think of it as our characters ganging up on some of them, an eighth of the power of the universe ending calamity is still waaay more than enough to effortlessly handle everything in DT.
Btw, regarding Endsinger, Zenos only gave us a platform to stand on and gave the threat that if she ran we could just case her, he didn’t actually help fight at all. The scions doing the whole power of friendship really just let us endure a hit, all the fighting and power was still just us. If you can shrug off planets busting attacks being thrown at you, destroying continents would not be that impressive.
The repeated failures due to one or two players not getting it is what keeps me away from group content anymore. It’s such a waste of my already limited playtime. I wish they would make just one solo challenge per expansion for players that want a challenge, but don’t have time to deal with other players.
Then don’t play an MMO?
@@MayHugger Wow, incredible suggestion. It’s almost like you didn’t read or understand what I said. Are you being dense on purpose?
@@amanomurakumo6863 If you don’t have time to deal with other players, don’t play an MMO. Nothing about what you typed contradicts my comment.
@@MayHugger I didn’t say I don’t do and enjoy other content..
yeah the game is in maintenance mode. the devs don't give a fuck anymore
what? It's the update for Moonfire. This happens every year.
I don’t think the Wol supporting Wuk is a big deal. It becomes abundantly clear within like five minutes of arriving that Wuk (and Koana) are far better for the throne than the racist and the war monger. If Wuk started acting evil then we would’ve ditched her or switched sides for sure, but she’s a literal saint as far as we can see so of course Wol would want her on the thrones. Also Thancred says that Zoraal Ja become Dawnservant could lead to war so they had an ethical motivation to support his brother instead
This issue is the only difference between Wuk and Koana being the main character is Wuk asked you first. Both are able to be leader. There's no specific reason we need to help Wuk more than Koana. Plenty of people, including me, wish they could have chosen Koana instead. They seemed to be more actively governing the country already.
@@yanipheonu The story makes it clear that Wuk is better suited to lead since she understands her people while Koana is just "muh technology". This clear in the first area when Wuk actually does the festival and leaves them with a long term solution while Koana just drops plant medicine and dips.
And even Koana himself agrees with me, bro literally dropped out
@@hamptonwooster Yeah, that kinda happens when the story is written to specifically make Wuk be seen as the best possible person to lead the nation.
@@holy8782 and if she wasn’t people would complain that you’re supporting someone who isn’t fit, you literally can’t win
My hot take is people who are disappointed are people who became spoiled with fan service. For example you mention Eistinien coming along with WoL in Shaloni. What you're asking for is a fan service. Estinien is a lone wolf and has been since we knew him. It wouldn't have made any sense if he came along.
@hkoizumi3134 I'm disappointed, but it has nothing to do with the fanservice. I just expected better writing than Blue's Clues levels of writing. I feel like the writers were recruited from Nick Jr's writers room. 🤣
Fanservice was having the scions appear at all. None of them had to be here. We were told they wouldn't be. But clearly the writers knew wuk lamat was going to be universally reviled so they had to add them in to say "hey here look! Characters you actually give a fck about!!". Lol.
There's nothing wrong with fanservice. If anything, a vacation story should be filled with it.
Why shouldn't we have a fun vacation side quest with Estinien?
Personally I think DT is great and a breather. I mean I'm glad I'm not some deity saving a teenth again. I like just being.....my character. Plus give it a break it's a launch of a new era minus the hydaelen zodiark stuff. Enjoy it for what it is
We aren’t even being ourselves though, we are so clearly disconnected from who we were. We aren’t the type to take a backseat unless we understand with confidence the allies we place our trust in. How we take this backseat to wuk lamat and instead of being the “mentor” we are the babysitter. I don’t care how you feel about tural’s culture and respecting gulool ja ja’s wishes to a honorable duel, that honor went out the window when zoraal ja comes back to life. You’re gonna tell me our character is just gonna let that happen? How you could play through dawntrail and feel as though “yeah it’s fine I let these people in front of me die! I’m just the mentor!” Is so strange
@@literalmeme2260 please go outside take a deep breath it's just a game
@@chestercarter6081 sorry for caring about the game enough to share my thoughts 😄
@@literalmeme2260 The WoL was written out of this expansion, along with the Scions. You can't have a "vacation" when you are barely present. I'm glad many of us care about this game. As we should any work of art, book, or game we give our attention to. If it's worth experiencing at all it is worth critiquing when it fails.
I have stressed this enough, vacation/break/chilling out/or whatever you call it, should have been done since the last A new Found Adventure patches. Making it into an expansion doesn't make sense.
You couldnt havevthe scions playing a major role because it would become a white savior narrative
Touch grass.
They literally do anyway though. Yshtola and graha solve everyone's problems with their knowledge etc.
My hot take:
DT MSQ isn't actually as bad as people make it out to be, y'all are just misremembering previous expansions MSQs better than they actually were.
Dawntrail is better than Stormblood, hands down.
@@Fl0wchart yeah, I think people forget how mind numbing the Ruby Sea and Azim Steppe were 👀
And there are countless examples of similar slogs and luls in every expansion. I think the main difference is every other expansion didn't really start to get enjoyable until nearing the end, where I felt DT's ending arc was the problem. I personally enjoyed the first half of DT, it was far from amazing but it was refreshing compared to the start of most of the others.
@@thecivilmerc9898 Azim Steppe was an actual mini-Right of Succession, tell me I'm wrong.
@@thecivilmerc9898 I enjoyed the first half of Dawntrail, Yee-Haw filler was okay, but level 97-99 was amazing in my opinion.
@@Fl0wchart true, but Azim didn't really give me any reason to care about it and it just felt like busywork while waiting to get back onto the main Zeno's story. I liked the Dawn trials cuz it felt like a vacation from the existential looming threats of mass genocide and instead just chaperoning some nepo babies out of their ignorance 🤣 just for Alexandria to go "Pyche! Vacations over here's another highly advanced antagonist threatening mass genocide again"
DT is for the youngest generations of players, i just finished the healer's class quest and looks like an episode of Yattaman of the 80s and that kind of humor is definitely stale now and not for adult players. The whole expansion seems to be super simplified and has no depth.
Plenty of 'children story' has separate deeper theme for adults...
The reason dawntrail isnt doing darker themes is because it would of involved colonialism. As a person of color no fucking thanks. Especially after Stormblood was so colorist.
So morally wrong themes are only okay if they involve murder and not people of color? As a Mexican I think that take is kinda dumb, it’s fiction, if it makes you uncomfortable with the portrayal of colonialism it means it legitimately did its job. If you cannot handle that then I dunno what to tell you
Dude what? Really? Touch grass.