I noticed in the U.K. The first pin has interactive element on pin 1. But U.S has it further down the key. But I was starting to get excited when you pulled electronic keys out. I seen years ago someone use a magnet. I think it was Toool German lockpicking group to defeat this system and they did it. I noticed the lock that was inside padlock.lol. Like always mul t locks you smashed it. Regards Jon.
bkman444 - remember the LPL is a particularly skilled lockpicker who has a lot of experience picking this sort of lock. The security here is being an unusual lock that is resistant to picking, raking, and bumping - which is strengthened by the fact that a decent set of dimple lock picks is hard to come by and very expensive compared to a normal set of picks. The reality is that quality locks like this one aren't meant to keep good lockpickers out (i.e. locksmiths paid by the legal owner of the lock) they're there to stop someone with a bogota or bump key from jiggling it open, and forcing destructive entry.
This is one BAD ASS lock .love it first I have seen very well explain. Pins are incredibly nice .Ramset would kill please don't kill it.lol thanks for sharing. Happy thanksgiving. ⭐🌟⭐🌟⭐😎
Regardless of how fantastic the lock is, if it's only got an 8mm thick shackle then it's going to yield to a set of 43" bolt croppers and crims _do_ carry these things. A set of 36" bolt croppers may also defeat 8mm Boron-Carbide, Molybdenum, Special Alloy shackles. However, when a shackle is around 14mm+ thick, then bolt croppers have an extremely tough time shearing through em...if at all! So never use thin, cheapy, weedy padlocks to secure anything except your kids toy cupboard at home!
I'd sure like to see the mechanism inside that cliq cylinder, not much space to fit a chip and solenoid. The key must supply the power via some kind of 1-wire interface, because there doesn't appear to be any battery or wired supply in the cylinder? But if they trust the electronics, why have mechanically coded pins at all?
Battery is in the key, the chip is the same style as in a "chip & pin" bank card and can be incredibly tiny. the hard part is the solenoid, there is a minimum size for strength of that, we need to send it to AvE to check it's Skookum factor.
Might make more sense to send it to someone who actually knows a thing about engineering and would be able to analyze and maybe even hack it. Mike from Mikeselectricstuff maybe. Chris (if that's his real name) might have the gift of the gab, but he won't be able to make heads nor tails off the squiggly lines on the scope, I can assure you that. Even Dave would make more sense...
+Michael He would be the first to admit that, and I watch his channel, it's not hard to tell. Chris is a mill wright "Mr. Fix It" kind of guy, has been his whole life, he said that himself, he has no background in electrical engineering despite the channel name. I have no envy towards AvE (well, I could like his Mazak mill maybe), but I think it is unfair to compare his highly entertaining dog and pony show to people like Mike from electricstuff, Ben Krasnow (applied science), or Shahriar (the signalpath). They are experienced engineers with a day job where they do this stuff all day, not get their hands dirty fixing some kind of tar sand mining beast. Even Dave fromm EEV blog was working as an electronics engineer, although some of his colleagues are apparently glad he is now making videos full time ;-). Look, everyone has different strengths. Mike and Shahriar put me to sleep frequently, but they know their stuff. If you want the lock smashed open in a creative way and laugh about the useless little bits inside, AvE is your man. If you want to actually know how the communication works you have to send it to someone else and hope they have the time.
I really don't get the controversy when the man himself is quite forthright about what his expertise and background is, it's like some kind of fan-boy cult. He has many, comparatively broad, strengths and it is not surprising that the butter sometimes gets spread a little thin around the edges and he just muddles through regardless. That takes guts too, knowing you'll have to deal with the response to any errors later. I just don't see why people insist on making him some kind of all-knowing expert, especially in electronics, which he has never once claimed to be and often denied, and get offended if you point out he might not be the most qualified for a particular task. It's not like I get offended when he bitches about design engineers and the mistakes they make, just a different perspective.
You make it look so easy to pick this lock. I have a question, can you explain or have you at some point explained how you determine when your on the outer pin and the inner pin. I have a similar style lock and I get good feed back but still can't get the feel of outer and inner. Can you take the time to explain this to me and others I would guess. Please don't say it is intuitive.
Yet! :) Wow, heckuva lock. Love the Spooxe? Bump keys for dimples? I'm getting the impression you have to have quite a few unless you are only working on specific keyways?
... " yet ". I honestly didn't think a Mul-T-Lock couldn't be picked. It's a good thing you're an officer of the court. Or did a client get you into this hobby?
It only comes into play if the lock has the funky electromechanical feature he showed at the start of the video. Otherwise it's part of a two-part system that prevents unauthorised key duplication. The keys can only be cut with an official Mul-T-Lock key cutting machine, which apparently does some sort of identity verification based on the interactive feature and a code on an order card that comes with the lock when you buy it.
@lockpickinglawyer A little late to the party but could you imagine to use a piezo shocker from an electrical lighter to attack the elektronik mechanism?
Camilo Andrés Lemus Gomez Elements that will get pushed into a groove like a sidebar channel if the wrong key gets used... keeps the same bitting on the key adding NO masterpins that make picking easier. Hope that helps.
I did say "supposed to" without reason. I mean patents allow to restrict copying the keys from the manufacturer side, but even after a patent expires a key maker can refuse duplicating this because the key does have these markings and especially in cases where the key is part of a larger system of locks duplicating the key without control would be a serious security problem.
Someone with more experience please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can shim any padlock using ball bearings (and a rotating shank). To shim it, it has to be spring loaded.
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"Not one I can open, yet."
ONE YEAR LATER
"Electromagnetic pulse on 5, and we're in."
Depends on the electronics, if it uses an encrypted key then you might never get past one.
That first core with the transponder keys sounds similar to how modern car ignitions work.
tallman11282 I agree it is just the other way round the passive element is in the core and the active element is the key
bryan latimer-davies Good point. A subtlety I (and I hope someone else!) missed.
The machining on those pins looks very competent, very competent indeed.👍🏆✨
I noticed in the U.K. The first pin has interactive element on pin 1. But U.S has it further down the key. But I was starting to get excited when you pulled electronic keys out. I seen years ago someone use a magnet. I think it was Toool German lockpicking group to defeat this system and they did it. I noticed the lock that was inside padlock.lol. Like always mul t locks you smashed it. Regards Jon.
First! Seriously though, the quality of the machining of those pins is simply stunning.
Randy Mack speaking as a machinist, absolutely yes. Spooled inner pins .. oh my.
All that work and engineering for a lock picked in 2 min
bkman444 - remember the LPL is a particularly skilled lockpicker who has a lot of experience picking this sort of lock. The security here is being an unusual lock that is resistant to picking, raking, and bumping - which is strengthened by the fact that a decent set of dimple lock picks is hard to come by and very expensive compared to a normal set of picks. The reality is that quality locks like this one aren't meant to keep good lockpickers out (i.e. locksmiths paid by the legal owner of the lock) they're there to stop someone with a bogota or bump key from jiggling it open, and forcing destructive entry.
OMG my favorite padlock of all time i freaking want it great picking
+Olivier Cauffopé Really? Why?
because 8mm shackle will fit pretty much any hasp you'll find, the body is so tough and thick. and i love the shutter on the bottom
This is one BAD ASS lock .love it first I have seen very well explain. Pins are incredibly nice .Ramset would kill please don't kill it.lol thanks for sharing. Happy thanksgiving. ⭐🌟⭐🌟⭐😎
Great job picking brother, thanks for sharing it with us
Regardless of how fantastic the lock is, if it's only got an 8mm thick shackle then it's going to yield to a set of 43" bolt croppers and crims _do_ carry these things. A set of 36" bolt croppers may also defeat 8mm Boron-Carbide, Molybdenum, Special Alloy shackles. However, when a shackle is around 14mm+ thick, then bolt croppers have an extremely tough time shearing through em...if at all! So never use thin, cheapy, weedy padlocks to secure anything except your kids toy cupboard at home!
As usual, you smashed it in! Great machining and tolerences. Probably overpriced but great for a collection.🍺✌
Great lock tech for a lock that could be cut so easily. A thicker shackle would not hurt.
I cannot imagine you open this expensive and high security lock in few minutes .
Very nice Picking. I can't get into a normal dimple lock, so it's going to be awhile before I attempt a Mul-T-Lock interactive. 😁
I'd like to see him put it back together...what a mess
This is easy to put back together... Honestly, not much harder than a normal Kwikset.
Great lock! Great pick!!!!!
Is it my imagination or do Mul-T-Lock many padlocks have undersized shackles for their price point? Compare Abus Insurance Lock or Abloy Locks?
+Bill S That's definitely true on their smaller stuff, but their larger locks are in the right ballpark.
i always have to watch one lockpicking video before i sleep :P
I'd sure like to see the mechanism inside that cliq cylinder, not much space to fit a chip and solenoid.
The key must supply the power via some kind of 1-wire interface, because there doesn't appear to be any battery or wired supply in the cylinder?
But if they trust the electronics, why have mechanically coded pins at all?
Battery is in the key, the chip is the same style as in a "chip & pin" bank card and can be incredibly tiny. the hard part is the solenoid, there is a minimum size for strength of that, we need to send it to AvE to check it's Skookum factor.
Might make more sense to send it to someone who actually knows a thing about engineering and would be able to analyze and maybe even hack it. Mike from Mikeselectricstuff maybe. Chris (if that's his real name) might have the gift of the gab, but he won't be able to make heads nor tails off the squiggly lines on the scope, I can assure you that. Even Dave would make more sense...
+stefantrethan Hopefully sometime soon. 🙂
+Michael He would be the first to admit that, and I watch his channel, it's not hard to tell. Chris is a mill wright "Mr. Fix It" kind of guy, has been his whole life, he said that himself, he has no background in electrical engineering despite the channel name.
I have no envy towards AvE (well, I could like his Mazak mill maybe), but I think it is unfair to compare his highly entertaining dog and pony show to people like Mike from electricstuff, Ben Krasnow (applied science), or Shahriar (the signalpath). They are experienced engineers with a day job where they do this stuff all day, not get their hands dirty fixing some kind of tar sand mining beast. Even Dave fromm EEV blog was working as an electronics engineer, although some of his colleagues are apparently glad he is now making videos full time ;-). Look, everyone has different strengths. Mike and Shahriar put me to sleep frequently, but they know their stuff.
If you want the lock smashed open in a creative way and laugh about the useless little bits inside, AvE is your man. If you want to actually know how the communication works you have to send it to someone else and hope they have the time.
I really don't get the controversy when the man himself is quite forthright about what his expertise and background is, it's like some kind of fan-boy cult. He has many, comparatively broad, strengths and it is not surprising that the butter sometimes gets spread a little thin around the edges and he just muddles through regardless. That takes guts too, knowing you'll have to deal with the response to any errors later.
I just don't see why people insist on making him some kind of all-knowing expert, especially in electronics, which he has never once claimed to be and often denied, and get offended if you point out he might not be the most qualified for a particular task.
It's not like I get offended when he bitches about design engineers and the mistakes they make, just a different perspective.
You know what we want to see...
;-)
*RAMSET!!!*
Best of luck with the cliq core.
The interactive pin is in a different location and the biting is on the opposite side of the key blade
You make it look so easy to pick this lock. I have a question, can you explain or have you at some point explained how you determine when your on the outer pin and the inner pin. I have a similar style lock and I get good feed back but still can't get the feel of outer and inner.
Can you take the time to explain this to me and others I would guess. Please don't say it is intuitive.
Nice picking LPL ☺
Tech aside, that's a good looking key
Yet! :) Wow, heckuva lock. Love the Spooxe? Bump keys for dimples? I'm getting the impression you have to have quite a few unless you are only working on specific keyways?
buen trabajo como siempre!! esa cerradura multlock tiene chip?? sin ese chip y con la misma combinación de llave se puede abrir? SALUDOS
... " yet ". I honestly didn't think a Mul-T-Lock couldn't be picked. It's a good thing you're an officer of the court. Or did a client get you into this hobby?
What exactly does the "interactive" element do if you're still able to pick it using traditional means?
It only comes into play if the lock has the funky electromechanical feature he showed at the start of the video. Otherwise it's part of a two-part system that prevents unauthorised key duplication. The keys can only be cut with an official Mul-T-Lock key cutting machine, which apparently does some sort of identity verification based on the interactive feature and a code on an order card that comes with the lock when you buy it.
Ah, thanks for the info.
have you defeated that lock yet? a pinned comment to a video would be appreciated. thank you
@lockpickinglawyer A little late to the party but could you imagine to use a piezo shocker from an electrical lighter to attack the elektronik mechanism?
Please do a more thorough review of how the Cliq system works!
4:55 am sure a spring flew out when he took small plate off with screwdriver
It does, he caught it and put it in the tray.
Not one he can open...yet 🤣😂
niceeee
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What's interactive about the lock?
On that core there were 3 extra holes, could you had anything else to the core to make it more secure?
add as many ball bearings as you like to make the lock even harder to drill out?
That CLiQ cylinder may be vulnerable to vibration attacks.
+douro20 I think only on the older version, but that's on my try list.
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What is passive key control?
Camilo Andrés Lemus Gomez
Elements that will get pushed into a groove like a sidebar channel if the wrong key gets used... keeps the same bitting on the key adding NO masterpins that make picking easier. Hope that helps.
Steel Pinnings thanks for the explanation 😀
Also lock makers are supposed to refuse duplicating keys with key control elements unless you have the security card that came with the lock
+My1
That's only true when there is a (non-expired) utility patent on the key.
I did say "supposed to" without reason. I mean patents allow to restrict copying the keys from the manufacturer side, but even after a patent expires a key maker can refuse duplicating this because the key does have these markings and especially in cases where the key is part of a larger system of locks duplicating the key without control would be a serious security problem.
I wanna know how the electronic version works.
On batteries.
+David Galbraith Only batteries are in the keys. Key powers the lock.
I hope you can make a video when you put this thing apart because I really wanna see this on the inside and know exactly how this stuff works
+LockPickingLawyer I know, I was being sarcastic.
Pipe Wrench
Has you lock picking knowledge ever come into play in your career as a lawyer?
+mercoid No
Could you double shim this lock?.
+Spraggerdog wilko No
Someone with more experience please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can shim any padlock using ball bearings (and a rotating shank). To shim it, it has to be spring loaded.