After That Debate, the Risk of Biden Is Clear
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- I joined my Times Opinion colleagues Ross Douthat and Michelle Cottle to discuss the debate - and what Democrats might do next.
Mentioned:
“The Biden and Trump Weaknesses That Don’t Get Enough Attention (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/op...) ” by Ross Douthat
“Trump’s Bold Vision for America: Higher Prices! (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/op...) ” with Matthew Yglesias on The Ezra Klein Show
“Democrats Have a Better Option Than Biden (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/op...) ” on The Ezra Klein Show
“Here’s How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work (www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/op...) ” with Elaine Kamarck on The Ezra Klein Show
Gretchen Whitmer on The Interview (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/ma...)
“The Republican Party’s Decay Began Long Before Trump (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/04/op...) ” with Sam Rosenfeld and Daniel Schlozman on The Ezra Klein Show
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biden should probably step down right now, as terrifying as that sounds.
Americans are being killed by illegals on a regular basis and you think him not being president is a bad thing? I personally already know two people who lost their lives because Biden wanted to pander, one was a mother of 2.
It sounds terrifying but less terrifying than the alternative. There is another guy in cognitive decline: Donald Trump. Add cognitive decline to a lifetime psychopathy/ narcissism disorder and you get a potent cocktail for some truly erratic decision making if he gets a second term. Added to that, any GOP leader will be surrounded by quite a few nutjobs among his key advisors.
Ezra Klein, Bob Wright warned them. It’s time for Democrats to be humble, admit their mistake, and do the right thing. I’m in the UK, but that debate was catastrophic. Biden will never win this.
Really? You underestimate the woman vote. You can put in a puppy as a democratic candidate and she would win. The GOP partnered with the wrong people. You can take their lobbyist's money, but don't drink the Kool-Aid
@@Chris-rv5mmIm a woman. A puppy? maybe. But Joe Biden needs to put country first and step down while he can still do so with grace, purpose, and leadership. Ezra was right in February. He will be much more right in November.
@@sophieoshaughnessy9469 Don't underestimate wisdom.
It's way too late, like years not months. Whoever ended up with the nomination after who knows how many votes and how many weeks or months at the DNC would walk out of there with a campaign war chest of exactly ZERO dollars. . Why? Because it would be against the law for anyone else to spend one dime of what has been raised so far. It would also be against the law to spend one single dime of their own campaign money raised for any other office besides president. It would be political you-know-what-icide.
@@sophieoshaughnessy9469 Yeah, February of the year 2021 maybe. He will be much more wrong in November.
Resist the Democrats' push to normalize Biden's debate performance.
Why? I want them to run Biden, sleep in the bed they made for 5 years
The only worse thing Democrats can do, than keeping Joe, is nominating Hillary.
No doubt that she and Obama have been running the country behind the scenes from Day 1. Biden was "placed".
THIS! The fact that they have been who Dems put up against Trump says the Dems are either completely useless as a party now, or they don't REALLY see Trump as the threat to democracy they claim he is.
Why so much hate still for Hillary?
@@jimmykelly5320The moderates hate her, the far left thinks she's weak and not a democrat, and the right thinks she's the definition of corruption
Ugh, Hillary is pretty corrupt.
I wouldn’t vote for Biden especially after last night , which is just a continuation of the way he usually presents himself. I couldn’t understand what his words were or his ideas either. He seemed feeble, weak and childish. RFK Jr. is the candidate of my choice, but Trump is definitely superior to Biden.
He's not senile, he beat Medicare for gods sake, no malarkey!
JaJa...I am a Dem since birth...my dad was one of the Dems in smoke filled rooms...as bad as my generation thought those days were as they were not democratic enough hence the primaries...but the Truth is that system would never have Biden and Trump running as the candidates. Joe probably would not be able to finish another 4 years...if the Dems don't go to a open Convention, Trump will be the President which last time around it was the longest 4 yrs of my life. Joe is definitely in big time decline. He needs to do the country a big big thing and decide to step asice
No joke
I BEAT MEDICARE!!!
Yes, you did, Joe.
The Dems have options. They need to take them. This election is way too high stakes to play with Biden. My decision was made by default, but my vote isn't the one the candidates are fighting for. There's time before the convention so the Dem leadership need to think LONG AND HARD about this.
They were hoping he would pass before this point, 100%. They've backed themselves into a corner, none of their options are popular with Americans. Not a one. I'm old enough now to realize voting isn't real, America will get whoever they're given whether that be Trump or someone else. This is all a charade, one so obvious that people ought to see it.
It’s too late… they’re doomed either way.
They had options, they chose to rig the primary ptocess to ensure that no one could challenge biden. If trump wins its the corrupt dncs fault. Reasonable people are voting for rfk jr anyways.
TRUMP WILL WIN !!!
Not senile? Don’t believe your lying eyes.
Bingo!
Has Trump looked as bad or worse on the stump? Biden sucked, no doubt about it. So what now, Hitler 1933 or Biden?
@@ndgrad22 "Hitler 1933" ... there will be elections in 2028 and 2032 and so on ... this talking point is not working anymore.
NYT said he's super sharp behind closed doors. NYT are serious journalists who wouldn't lie
@@ndgrad22rfk jr obviously. Look into him first hand with an open mind and ignore the lies and slander that the corportate owned media has been selling you....
No, the best joke was Jon Stewart's "resting 25th amendment face"
I’m a registered Democrat but I refuse to vote for Biden. Absolutely not. He is not in control.
I will write in a name if I need to.
Kennedy is your best option
Rfk jr is the best choice by far.... When you realize that the same media outlets that have been saying biden is fine and is full of energy are also saying efk jr is anri vax (hes not!) And anti semetic..... What rfk jr is, is anti corporate controlled politics, which is why the corporate controlled media lies about him....
"He is the nominee!"
So, schedule a psychiatrist and disqualify him.
Heve a mercy on dementia patient.
This should've been an easy layup on Trump.
Bernie Sanders has a sharp mind even now. Democrats, you made your mistake rigging the primary twice against him.
And everyone else for that matter.... The dnc really puts the 'mock' in democracy.....
A sharp Marxist mind 😄
Epic fail for Beijing Biden!
I like & admire Joe. Yet he's NOT up to the job!!!!
I liked that part in the debate, where Pres Biden said “I did blopenbiffenhum.”
That was very profound and really spoke to me.
I loved the part where two candidates for the most powerful position in the world, quarreled about their golf handicap. Very informative, and what an embarrassment for America.
Sort of like "covfefe" eh?
the crypt keeper presidency
I normally avoid listening to this collection of opinion writers due to their silly banter, which I find extremely annoying. Ezra Klein made this bearable.
Bob Wright (nonzero) has been warning about the Biden problem long before anyone else was brave enough to do so. Please increase the heterogeneity of your paper’s listening base by broadening your own.
Ross Douhart is why I cancelled my NYT subscription. I'm happy to debate honest reasonable conservatives but I draw the line at mendacious grifters of whatever political persuasion. Clearly the NYT only keeps him on for the clicks and I despise that too.
No journalist should both sides truth, that only enables lies. The NYT won't enjoy fascism. I've seen Cabaret, fascists won't both sides them.
"You're not voting for me. I'm just a doll, filled with motors, plastic and wires. I don't matter. You're voting for the team. The advisors, strategists, appointees, and most of all, the people that paid to put me here. The people that pull the levers and work the machine. The unseen people who are typing these words as I speak them - there are three of us and two AIs. That's what I am, and you've always known it. Vote for me, because I am the best construct for the job."
- Disneyland Abe Lincoln, announcement for candidacy 2032.
He has my vote.
Don't double down on a bad candidate, that's what republicans do!
I think both beat expectations. They both showed up with pants on, neither defficated directly onto the stage, neither hallucinated being attacked by bees. Great jobs all around.
Bizzarro world wins!
Disaster
What good is Biden's ideological stances if he doesn't have the strength and clarity of mind to act on them?
Well his ideological stances are dogshit too, so I don't really know what the point of your question is
Why is it "bad night for democracy"? Democracy is not the rule of Democratic party, it's a rule of law and democratic institutions.
Democrats live in a delusional echo chamber.
And dude is wrong about the capability of the DNC to look reality in the face and flat out deny it when it comes to presidential nominees (see HRC 2016)
Lol ! "Not senile" ? Seriously ?
Nate Silver just wrote an article saying Biden should step down. I agree.
You think he's really making decisions all by himself? I no longer think so.
He looked like he was slipped L.S.D
He's done
nah, he's not. consider how many of the big-brain online commentariat are going at biden without getting into the most obvious reality made apparent in the debate - the format was difficult for biden because of his stutter. any normal, rational person would draw attention to this. it was quite obvious that biden was relying more heavily than usual on the sort of mechanisms that he has always used to manage his stutter. we all know he has had a stutter since childhood & that he has to manage it. none of the hot-takers want to say something as plain as, 'we don't really know what causes stutters, but an overview suggests it's partly genetic, & partly a learned response whereby the brain fragments spoken responses in particular circumstances. it's absolutely clear that biden was doing this in this debating format, against donald trump, with the moderators moderating it as they were.' it really is as simple as that
but not only that, this literally comes on the heels of the same commentariat wondering whether trump had made a mistake of lowering expectation regarding biden to a point that it will make biden look better than otherwise. that is to say, they have literally spent the last week telling everyone how low expectations work to biden's favor. the next day, in an incredibly early debate, biden himself lowers expectations because of a lifelong stutter hampering his ability to appear sharp.
where are the people saying, we know biden is sharp af. his record speaks for itself. this debate - & his obviously flawed performance in it - is the perfect springboard for biden-harris 2024. people might want style, but they need substance. all this did was set biden up to drive home that reality
people also need to watch the vp's response, where she appeared magnificent, imo
online hot-takers need to start doing the work, enabling biden-harris 2024, because pretty soon people are going to start judging whether the last ten years has been marked by not just a failure of traditional media, but also by new media, consistently trying to make themselves more powerful, but abstaining from doing the work that people need them to have been doing
he's so done you had to hide a reply setting-out why he wasn't?
lol - you're all such weak-asses
Of course he is, he's a convicted felon with trials pending. No shit Sherlock
And the risk of Trump is clearer. Buck up!
People like us know that. The 'passive citizenry' for want of a better term - the people who don't think about politics very often and feel remote from the processes and the people driving things - will apply different reasoning. They may well have faced getting the car keys off their dad or grand dad or having to put a reluctant parent into aged care. When I looked at Biden in that debate, I totally saw my dad aged 91 beginning to slide from still being sharp as a tack to losing all his faculties.
Rfk jr is the only sane choice. Look into him for yourself and stop beleving the lies about him being anti vax etc... The corporations running the media dont want rfk jr, this is not a comspiracy theory he is running on limiting corporate power....
Trainwreck
I keep hearing you guys say that Trump lied so much in the debate. I love to see you do a follow up and name the lies. And then go through Biden and name his lies add the two up and see whose ways the greater. This is what we as Americans will do on election day. And the result will be the same if Biden was 100% lucid. Biden loses on several counts including dishonesty and having ideas that are based on a lack of facts or pure falsehoods.
American presidential debate - the best liar wins.
The American dream
Our best choice for president was not included in this debate.
And yet he still won! Rfk jr 2024.... Dont beleive the lies
"What else have you been lying to us about?"..... The #1 question the American people have on their minds at the historic moment in history.
Rfk jr.....
They're right tho, when they say it's not just about one night. It's about the next 4 and a half years.
The democrats are going to waste the next few months fighting amongst themselves "Biden can do this" / "No he cant", and then just end up losing the next election in the meantime
🤣🤣
Ah nytimes… pro Iraq war, Hilary’s emails, her cough … you’ve lost all credibility…. Damn shame
I believe we should put a cat for the dem candidate. Cats will lead us to a better future
catturds maybe lol
It was like watching Broca's Aphasia and Wernicke's Aphasia argue on stage.
35 mins in I agree with Ezra. I am a speech language pathologist. Language skills can develop or regress independently of other higher order cognitive skills such as reasoning and problem solving. Joe already has preexisting expressive language issues on top of age related changes, which btw do become worse under stress, lack of sleep, having a cold, etc. That doesn't mean his reasoning or comprehension skills have been compromised. On the other hand, Trump has some serious comprehension issues despite being verbally fluent. So we have two candidates, one with a language disability and one with a learning disability (Trump). Think about who they surround themselves by to pick up the slack, and which one is morally corrupt. The better choice is still clear. This debate changes nothing for me.
So, voting for RFK?
Your take is accurate, except that what changes is Biden's chance to win in November. This debate, on top of the already weak polling indicate a loss.
IMO nominating Gretchen Whitmer, while an acknowledged gamble, improves the Dem chances for a November win. As Ezra had said in February, the amount of free media coverage at the party convention can take a regional name national in short order.
I think the problem is that at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Republicans don't care about facts, Democrats only care about facts, and independents don't know who to believe. I agree that the cards were stacked against Joe, but people came to this debate asking "Is Biden experiencing cognitive decline?" and whether all these factors were there or not, they got their answer.
I agree, except that Trump is "verbally fluent." That's a stretch, especially if you have ever watched Trump at a rally. Compared to Biden at the debate though, Trump came across as vigorous, and his speech was more understandable, however insane the content.
If they can regress independently, it doesn't mean that this is what happened. A possibility doesn't mean a necessity. So you don't know. It could just as easily that he is cognitively impaired.
Keep him in! Trump 2024!
CNN amazingly did a fair and journalistically proper job.
Jon Stewart for President!
These 3 are having a meltdown.
replacing joe biden with a better person will solve two huge problems at once
Historically, worth comparing against the JFK:Nixon first televised debate.
People who actually know their history know this has the chance to go exactly how that ended up going. JFK only won because he did better on TV, and the establishment was not happy about it. Some were even on the record saying he wasn't "supposed" to win. We all know what they did about it when he did win, establishment politicians (such as Biden) hate this country and the people in it.
Yes that’s right last Fall everyone said Biden is too old. It’s clear to everyone except the Democrat party - Steve Schmidt said the same thing
I like experience. It's not flashy. It's not fast. It's thoughtful and deliberate.
@@Chris-rv5mm Thoughtful and deliberate, two things Biden definitely has proven he isn't.
Urgency and moral clarity. Joe should exercise these.
Name Trump's lies, NYT
I hope they keep him so they lose
Thank you for keeping it real.
WTF is a 'little funny' about the debate?
As a foreigner I admire what USA does for global security.
Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Haiti? Yeman? Syria?
Or are you talking about all that added global security that's resulted from the US position on Ukraine and Israel?
I guess I wanna hear where the US has helped bring security? Because I'm thinking you might be commenting from a parallel dimension because "global security" is not something the US has been helping with in my reality.
@@cronizle You are right. I might have chosen different words and be more specific. I cannot vouch for everything...
I think that its help in Ukraine is the greatest thing and it truly helps. To shake hands with Putin after agreeing with his terms wouldn't be „strong America“. The help should be even bigger so it is the most effective... It is life or death situation. It is life with or without values.
@@cronizleonly shows how ignorant you are as an American.
Thank you, I agree. USA’s foreign policy has been erratic at times and imperfect at best but without it thanks would be a lot worse.. In my opinion, as well as yours :-)
Found the CIA plant lmfao. get out of here with that brain dead propaganda diarrhea dribbling out of your mouth
To be fair they only had 12 years to develop an alternative.
Orange Jesus dominated this debate. Joey was lame as hell. It's over. Orange Jesus is American National Destiny.
He’s not orange nor Jesus-petty petty
In a week, this one bad night will be a memory, while the lying Trump will STILL be self-excluded from addressing any fully non-MAGA audience. Trump's failure with the right-wing Libertarians was worse than the debate.
Dude you're genuinely delusional...every moderate/centrist I've spoken with is going to vote for Trump, I even know several lifelong democrats who are voting for Trump. I don't vote, because it's obviously all a charade, but seriously you are living in a mental bubble.
You need to understand that presidential elections are different than any other year. There are a large group of voters who don't pay much attention to policy, who don't care about "Teams behind the mascot", who cannot be guilt tripped and shamed into voting for a specific candidate.
Biden will not win this crowd a second time. The main question that group was whether or not Biden was senile and even likely to survive a second term. That group got their answer.
The loyal democrats ignoring reality and shouting blue no matter who are only pushing that group further away as well. Apolitical voters in wisconsin and arizona (probably other states but I don't know people in other swing states) have started jokingly calling the dems Blue Maga. Because their demanding party loyalty with no regard for what americans actually want comes across as very similar to the trump cult if you ignore substance and politicy. Which, hint hint, the once every four year voters do.
Hahahaha, Biden said "the idea" over and over again. It was so pathetic. This is over. It's National Destiny now that Trump will be President again. Let's just get on with it.
Douthat is an effing fool! 🤯
Ones a dictator. The others a Democrat. Doesn't matter??
Exactly. That is why the democrat is leading in the polls against the guy trying to imprison him.
😂😂😂 the only dictator is the Democratic Party
@@Liberty1976how do you figure?
i like ezra, but if he doesn't have a hot-take he has to do actual work. basically, the professional political podcaster is a person who always has to justify vastly superior position & pay by either a) working harder than anyone else, b) having more insight than anybody else, c) both. as b) is somewhat a function of a), the problem is that most political podcasters always have to justify their positions by laying claim to wild levels of insight, manifested through the kind of 'big-brain' takes that tend to require vast leaps, because we all know that they really aren't putting in the kind of hours after hours of work that they need to
@@BellePaldemocrats are the only ones regulating and taking away rights.
This is just a repeat of M.O.O.?
¿WHY?
Even as a Biden voter, Ross’ line here 5:06 made me laugh so hard.
Also this part too 43:42 was even better
90 minutes worth of "Cheap Fakes".
Y'all mainstream media should have said the emperor has no clothes before now.
Andy Beshear for President!
Can we have a Ross Douthat show? He was spot on throughout.
Great nite for Democracy.
What's really bad for democracy is the idea that it's only democracy if only one ideology is pushed towards.
I am baffled that the NYT thinks Ross Douthat is a columnist on politics when he keeps thinking that, based on the debate, Trump would be the best choice. Even with all the information out there of what Trump's presidency was, of what Trump was before and after, etc, etc.
Unfortunately its kinda true. Its not lesser of two evils but more "who else" at this point lol
Aaand so you will pick the loudest, obnoxious, obscene, uncivil, corrupt, attention seeking my person in the room over the person who is decent, quiet, honorable, respectful, hard-working, knowledgeable, capable person? The is problem is not with the candidates. The problem lies with people who insist on making the same mistake of choosing the worst leaders just because they have charisma (superficial charm) and thus installing them into power whether it's Mao, Stalin, Hitler you name it. And as history has shown, this comes at a high cost and you will regret it.
Choose wisely. Do not be fooled by smarmy, loudmouth types. There are no second chances on this one
I would rather vote for my dead grandfather...than vote for Trump.
Was your life personally so absolutely horrible under Trump? Did you lose any rights? Were you denied opportunities due to factors beyond your control (race/gender/sexual orientation)? Did you have to personally sacrifice a loved one in a war due to the presidents decision? I just don’t get where this hate is coming from?
As long as you don't vote for the dead Biden we're fine.
We could do a Gavin Newsom and Pete Buitigieg ticket!🇺🇸
Not diverse enough.
Just be glad you can vote. Soon your vote will be negated (in the right wing world only the rich will vote)
But in the meantime I say Gavin Newsome and Jasmine Crockett. Hell yeah
No way.
Two straight white married men. Democrats have to win, not just appeal to some in their party.
@@shizuokaBLUESPete is gay but yeah two white men isn't gonna happen
Eat crow for taking back your word after state of the union bruh 😂
Right? Dude's in media, knows how a teleprompter works, and mistook reading for comprehension. How can you be so fooled by 20 year old technology when you're in the business?
Please stop using the word 'right' at the end of sentences.
Bernie!
not only would i vote trump if it was bernie, i'd send trump 10 grand. i hate trump.
Another old guy that might drop dead during his presidency? American politics are a joke...
having a commie senator in the US is a healthy quirky novelty; having one as POTUS cannot be allowed
And you’re trying to tell us the risk of a 2nd trump term isn’t more clear! What a farce and an insult!
is Biden the only democrat that can run? they aren't saying "let Trump win" they are saying "put in a viable candidate"
The risk of Biden...but what about the risk of Trump? They go on and on and on about the risk of Biden at his age. But hey, Trump appears to represent an American archetype, so does he get a free pass? American media, please pick on Trump. Complain about HIS age for once!
Why??
I'd still rather listen to Biden than NYT
Unfortunately, we can't replace him unless he chooses to surrender his delegates And we can push to help Biden. I'm going to my library to get voter reg forms and take them to low income apartments!!!
Sorry Ross but you would be a far worse president than Biden however senescent Joe is.
But you live up to your stereotype. As one commentator said when pointing out the problem isn't Trump, it's the voters, "unfortunately Americans have a very high opinion of themselves".
WE. ARE. SO. SCREWED. It was a fight between a Fascist Orange and a Reanimated Corpse.
Throw in Gavin Newsom and you also have a vampire. 😂
One has put you into a poverty sticken war-looming hellscape where a bag of chips is the majority of 10 dollars
the other hurt your lil feelsys
IDK, people are usually poor under fascism. Everyone had more money under the scary orange man. Also, the current administration was proven to have colluded with tech corporations to censor Americans. Do you know what fascism is? It's when corporations work so closely with the government that they are basically the came thing, like what the current administration has been doing.
@jcbbb That's funny coming from someone who booed Trump when he said "the vaccine is good, take the vaccine" and then he mocked you saying "....YOU GOT YOUR FREEDOMS!" 😆
@@jcbbb your political understanding is that of a 5 year old. And I fucking hate Biden
Bernie could have should have woukd have won in 2015
Im so tired of trying to listen to conservative videos, and then youtube thinks i want the next video to be from a left-wing democratic youtube channel
So damn tired of it omg
The YT algorithm is actually really ineffective at what it is supposed to do. It should promote content that you are likely interested in based on mathematics, instead it promotes the content that people at YT/Google want you to see.
For someone that has a history of voting across party lines, I found this debate very lack luster. I would have liked to see a more in-depth debate not a debate that left me feeling very bad for a person who was set up for extreme failure. I watched the entire debate a second time to make sure I was seeing what I thought I was seeing. The democrats have finally found a way to modernize lynching. They left Biden to publicly hang from a limb without hope. As a kid, I was taught respect your elders, help your elders and don’t turn your back on them. It leaves me wondering, is this the new direction of our current government; are we going to see this on all sides? This (in my opinion) is a new level of irresponsible disrespect. I have to congratulate the democratic party, they have finally pushed a 44 year old swing voter to one side. Just, wow...
White people just love a lynching metaphor 🙄
you're voting for the felon?
Agreed 100% for the first 15 min i was like wow what a disaster already and 10 min after that i felt just sad for biden. Not a fan of either but yes, this was a public lynching. They realized too late and couldnt back track on the Trump hate the last 10 years. So instead of having him bow out gracefully and send the party into a trump induced frenzy, they threw him out to the wolves and now the public discourse has changed from "Hes the only one who can stop Trump!" To "the dnc must save biden from himself" and now they can pull the plug
I think they've managed to do that for a lot of people over the last four years. I've always been back and forth, it depends on the individual and the issue at hand. Not anymore. The way I see it, Biden, and every other democrat, is directly responsible for that 12 year old girl in Texas that was just killed. And the mother of 5 in Maryland, and every other American being killed by Biden's army.
Weren't you saying that Biden is super sharp behind closed doors. We want someone super sharp for President 😂
You are clutching at straws…
Dr. Jill doesn't want to go back to Delaware and nurse her husband Joey. She's not going to let Joey be replaced. She said right after the debate that Joey was a good boy and that he "answered all the questions." And Joey glowed when she said this. It was obvious that Doctor Jill controls Joey. So forget about Joey stepping down. Not happening.
“Yay, Joey!! You answered all the questions!!” 😄 Sounds like she’s rooting for her a 5yo. Ffs, answering all the questions is the bare minimum in a debate-it’s what you’re supposed to do! Our politics is a corrupt clown show for egomaniacs
Biden lost that damn debate! WE DID NOT WANT HIM TO RUN AGAIN!!!!! #voteblue NO MATTER who!!! SAVE DEMOCRACY! 💙🇺🇸💯
Mike Johnson is a lot closer to the presidency than we all thought.
Yawn.
ezra, the idea you go from the sentence 'national-level candidates like ... ro khanna,' to the next, 'staffers should go to joe biden & tell him he needs to drop out' is sillier than the peakiest berniebro nonsense of 2015
LOL! "A bad night for democracy..." How dare you utter that phrase. Luckily, it might've been a good night for our constitutional republic. Trump '24.
The Kool aid is working
@@beerman204 Democracy ends unless the guy indicting his opponent because he can't win fairly doesn't win.
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590 and what about the guy that refuses to admit he lost?
@@joythought Stacey Abrams is male? Or do you mean Hillary Clinton who said that Old Joe shouldn't concede under any circumstance? And that the election in 2016 was stolen from her?
@@joythoughtyou mean Hillary?
"After That Debate, the Risk of Biden Is Clear"
The risk OF Biden? Did you mean, "is LESS"?
Bring back the orange man, mean tweets and good economy!
Heartless and terrible economy, what are you talking about? 😂
@@Lennybird91 Under Trump I could afford to live a normal life, under Biden I cannot. The choice to me is clear.
@@skarscalp8157 Thanks to Democrat legislation I avoided $35,000 in emergency medical expenses. Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act I was able to invest in energy improvements on my home. Overall my family is far better off.
Additionally even if my personal financial situation was diminished, I would recognize the threat to Democracy is too great. Trying to overturn a free and fair election and putting in a convicted felon isn't something I want to leave my children.
I read somewhere that economists are predicting a recession within six months if Trump is elected.
Looked at the latest Data for Progress post debate analysis and the impact of the debate on Biden vs Trump isn’t that clear and no other potential replacement is any better than Biden.
Media is too quick to make conclusions. Even if Biden is too old for coming years there is a VP. Are you saying Biden needs to be replaced as Pres now? He was good at State of Union and at NC rally yesterday.
Ew why was this in my playlist. I dont want to listen to nearly an hour of tools yapping
ikr
At this late stage android close to the:election Democrats need a replacement for Biden who is well known and able to rally people and who is experienced and well liked.
Camella Harris is capable but has not been in the public eye, also not sure if she is liked by the public.
Can Obama run again?
With whatever respect is due to the individual speaking around the 10:30 mark, how insulting it is to voters to suggest that the style/appearance of Biden was so glaring that we were probably incapable of focusing on the actual words coming out of the mouths of either the two candidates for most of the night when what they said was audible and coherent, which, despite his mental lapses, Biden was far more often than he wasn’t and definitely was more “in touch with the reality of the situation” on practically every issue than Trump seem to demonstrate. Continue, though. Hopefully, at some point, this gets to the “substance” of what actually came out their mouths when either achieved the low bar of being coherent and not this ill-defined, immeasurable thing call style that many in the media at the moment seem infatuated with that doesn’t sound like a solution to any problem that I, our country, or race has
Most understand that even the best can not do well facing a hippo slapping shit non-stop without a slash shield.
We are voting for a MASCOT anyhow, what we care about is the administration not being the clown show “conservatives” have planned, or not planned.
If we're voting for a mascot then maybe the DNC should pick someone voters actually want and like. Not just who their out of touch inner circle and blindly loyal base likes.
Gritty would beat Biden and Trump if it ran.
There were no significant military conflicts anywhere in the world while Trump was president. There are currently two very serious regional conflicts that America is doomed to end up involved in thanks to the choices of the current "mascot". I don't care what a persons issue is, or why they want one fake team over another fake team. If you support this administration you support nuclear war, period.
Just as Trump’s lies have been priced in, so too have Biden’s meandering thoughts.
My vote is still against the dictator on day one