@@flirpykidFr, I'm astounded at the fact that there's still people out there who will smugly say that TLK ripped off Kimba even AFTER this almost surgical breakdown of the situation
Its wild; completely different budget, art style, animation studio, the characters don't even look the same I think it's sorta a confirmation bias, many viewers automatically think that the lion king ripped off kimba, and so when they watch the videos it's without a watchful eye. So they don't *really* look at the kimba footage, they just glance over it and only see the barebones similarities between kimba clips (spanning from the 60's to literally 2009) and the lion king clips, and look no further than that surface level
@@theoldhermit2601 Also doesn't help that the early 2000's productions deliberately replicate the 90's productions' art and animation styles too. So there's even later samples being erroneously claimed as things that predate the Lion King when they're all very much after it. But yes, they have a conclusion in mind to start and just glance for whatever suits it devoid of any context or accuracy. Ex: how many one-off adult lion characters are consolidated into being Bubu/Claw for this argument when context and truth is Bubu's not actually THAT prominent or important of an antagonist as he doesn't appear all that often in the manga and various TV anime series and is omitted entirely from the movies.
And can't tell how different scenes are, like they actually try linking random scenes that have entirely different characters and Kimba randomly aging and de-aging and compare it to a fluid clip from TLK.
Bah. Think of this - those clips obviously come from totally different movies, they have totally different art styles, most of them don't logically follow others, et cetera, they were very obviously just frankensteined together from various films and/or episodes of a TV show, yet all those morons believe that those are all bits and pieces from a single movie that was made in sixties...
One of my favourite things is how every time he yells something like "THIS IS THE '97 MOVIE!", he circles his mouse pointer over the image so rapidly that it gets larger like it's yelling with him.
I love rewatching all the Kimba clips because Adum really came upon one of those magical moments where he managed to uncover something that seemingly no one else realized. A true pioneer
In one giant sitting, you can really feel Adam incrementally getting more and more frazzled by the people who claim to know more than him who haven't even watched the show.
Well at least IMDB almost completely changed his Biography and now there is 0 mention of Lion King or Disney, which is very good and I'm happy about it
for such a legendary and productive and multitalented guy to live in the shadow of a movie he had nothing to do with because people wanted to use him as a weapon against Disney, is so pitiful
2:45:35 and about a minute ahead: I have a degree in English studies, and this actually goes straight to the core of one of the major controversies within the field of post-colonial studies. The assumption here is basically that the original creator of Kimba is simply incapable of tackling western institutions, or that he lacks the competence or means to do so in any meaningful way. And while that may indeed be true, and have been true, in many other cases, it is not a universal standard by which you can judge any and all foreign persons. If he had believed that he had a reasonable case, he both could and would have pursued Disney. And if the evidence was anywhere near as overwhelming as the Kimba segment makes it out to be, then he Disney wouldn't have stood a chance. Mind you, people are using phrases such as plagiarizing and outright copy/pasting. Tezuka was not a helpless Asian man being ground into the dirt by western foreigners who stole both his idea and his art. He is an internationally recognized artist who effectively laid the foundations for one of the most popular cultural currents to ever come out of Japan. People may have good intentions when they portray him as this sad and helpless victim of Disney's hegemony, but with or without good intentions, racism is racism. 5:30:00 At this point, the lawyer even describes Tezuka as, and I quote: "Poor and weak." The godfather of anime, and an extremely successful artist, who didn't even pick this fight himself, but who was made into a political tool for people to accuse Disney of a crime they didn't commit. Reduced to being poor and weak. For shame.
Lol. It's really funny to me because Kurosawa a contemporary to Tezuka film director sued Sergio Leone for copyright infringement. .. and won. There is evidence of Tezuka suing people he believed had infringed his copyright, the most famous was on pretty thin ground. He would have gone after Disney.
@@funlover163 If Tezuka or anyone in his family had genuinely believed that Disney had *stolen* his intellectual property, then there's no doubt in my mind that they would have pursued it legally. Characterizing Tezuka, the man credited with essentially inventing anime - a cultural giant in the east as well as the west - as 'poor and weak' is absolutely absurd, and speaks volumes of the malicious intent of the people making the argument. They're not at all interested in 'avenging Tezuka' or protecting anyone from the greed of western corporations; they're trying to promote themselves by pretending to have a positive agenda. It's pathetic and sad. And how you could possibly claim to take yourself and your profession seriously as a professor, citing random anonymous TH-cam trolls as legitimate sources without EVER checking for yourself... It mean, that's just beyond me.
@@henrikhumle7255 Exactly, that's the same vibe I got from watching her commentary. The same more or less applies to many people online who also accused TLK of plagiarism; it's abundantly clear that many of them didn't give a crap about Tezuka and were either trying to promote themselves (like all the clickbait channels and yellow journalism articles) by going after a popular and prolific controversy, or they were ignoramuses more concerned about virtue-signaling and jumping on the Disney hate bandwagon rather than acknowledging Tezuka. Then there's the minority, the salty Kimba fans being petty towards The Lion King (like the person who made the "How Similar Are They?" video).
I left many comments on these kimba conspiracy videos which were largely the same points adum made (theres actually always been these same points made forever but boy am i glad adum used his recognition to put this shit to rest finally) and they ALWAYS answer with "oh yeah?? Oh yeah??? Do you imagine how sad and weak and helpless Tezuka was, did you ever think that?? Checkmate" it made me so mad i just walked away lol i wasnt willing to entertain somebodys fanfic about a real person. Tezuka was fairly happy to destroy properties he thought were ripping off even a single of his character, most brutal one was when he believed a fellow producer stole his companys pre production designs for a talking squirrel (as well as the squirrel being a sidekick to a human detective), he wouldve gone after disney if he believed there was a case.
@@KOTEBANAROT Indeed. The racism of low expectations comes out in full force when people assume that Tezuka would somehow be so weak, naive or incompetent that he couldn't possibly defend himself against people trying to appropriate or exploit his products. But people tend to weigh their own intentions above what they actually end up implying about people they perceive as marginalized, hence one of the most important cultural figures within animation gets sidelined as tiny and helpless. Tezuka was key in making anime what it is today. The only reason these people assume he's an anonymous victim of corporate exploitation is that they haven't bothered reading up on the topic, but just immediately assume "West bad!" because Disney happens to operate in the same rough field. There are plenty of good reasons to be upset with Disney, but this was never one of them.
38:29 - 38:46 That is NOT Simba! That's concept art for a deleted character named Mheetu (pronounced as Me-Too)! He was supposed to be Nala's little brother. The artist himself, Thom Enriquez, was questioned about this years ago, and he confirmed that the concept art of the lion cub was indeed Mheetu and not Simba. Disney had it edited to be presented as such, and continues to do so. The book “The Lion King: The Full Film Script” which is a fairly recent release, also shows the image with Simba's name edited on. Edit: I've been about three days watching this video for how long it is. I decided to go into official his channel to find the finished video just to find out I had already seen it, but I don't remember it so I'm watching it a second time :') As a note, the person who runs or ran the blue background Kimba website had friended me on MySpace when that was still a thing. Wild.
One of the biggest services of this entire video series is showing proof of how fast people are at jumping to conclusions, not making their research, believing anything they read on the internet and sticking to their narrative no matter what. It's honestly eye opening and depressing at the same time.
I admire Adum so much for the effort he put into this. Its a pretty thankless position to defend Disney in what seemed like a pretty straightforward case of "evil corporation steals from lesser-known creator" but Adum was able to see the aspect of it that so many people were ignoring: when you make these claims, you're not just slandering Disney, you're slandering a lot of really talented individuals who put a crazy amount of work into creating a pretty spectacular work of art.
yea it's kinda funny that people are immediately dismissing a wonderful movie after hearing misinformation about the creators allegedly stealing from something nobody cared for outside of japan prior to the allegations
Also, despite what many claim, absolutely nobody promoting this conspiracy gave a crap about Tezuka. They either had no idea who he is and just used him as a blunt instrument for their own anti-Disney agendas, or they were salty Kimba fans more concerned with throwing shade at the infinitely more popular Lion King movie rather than acknowledging the person who made Kimba in the first place or his legacy and impact on Japanese animation (the dude is literally the godfather of anime).
One thing I don’t think anyone mentioned is that visual similarities are pretty much unavoidable because trained artists are using the same principles of shot composition. Like the scenes on the cliffs, any trained artist will want to show the dominant character on the right and shot from below, to highlight their power in the situation, and then reversed for a shot of the dangling character, shot from above over the dominant character’s shoulder to highlight the victim’s vulnerability. Two different trained artists would totally come to the same conclusion
It’s remarkable to me how Adum was so willing to give the benefit of the doubt. “You’re being dishonest, even if you’re not aware of it.” “Sorry! Not trying to be mean!” But soon enough it becomes undeniable and he’s flying off the handle
Do a pushup each time when: "It's the 1997 movie!" "Simba is Swahili for lion!" "Yes, Kimba invented that." "So you can't have the animals running anymore?" "There's only so much you can do in Africa with animals." "That's a trope." "3000 MINUTES VS 90 MINUTES." "They didn't watch the show!"
Adum’s original 2 hour video and all of the highlight clips available at the time honest to god got me through the summer of 2020. It was a really hard time for my family and I especially because my parents couldn’t work due to the pandemic. We were eating from the food bank and could barely pay the bills. Since literally nothing was open and there was fuck all to do in my rural neighborhood I spent hours on TH-cam just watching whatever and the Kimba stuff in particular made me laugh when it hurt to do so. In a time of uncertainty it gave me an escape, and let me know there are people in the world who are sane and grounded in reality.
The Kimba controversy was originally the highlight of 2020. Rewatched Adum’s video and all of the production highlights over and over. Thank you for all of your hard work, and helping many of us get through roughy times with this amazing content.
Dang, now I kinda want a comment linking to each additional point Adam makes about the differences between The Lion King and Kimba. Definitely a tall order but that’d be interesting at least lol
The irony of everything is that YMS actually gave Kimba far more attention than any of the "Kimba fans" ever did. Like I am now watching Kimba the White Lion and seeing everything for myself, and I have YMS to thank for it. Not "Hmmm, suspicious" or Sunder's TED Talk where she claims Mufasa showed up in the moon! Reality is bizarre at times.
I guess it goes to show, people are more interested to see a unique, crazy af show that is proven to be its own thing, rather than a show they THINK is similar to something they already watched. I'm pretty sure the kimba controversy actively discouraged folks from watching the show by misrepresenting it as anime Lion King. Misinformation really does hurt everyone.
5:26:32 - 5:26:42 is one of my favorite reactions of Adum's. The eyes widening and going to the side, the involuntary screech and then covering his mouth, the way he laughs, the "Oh, noo!" it is all just amazing and perfect.
The amount of times he had to explain the name thing is wild lol I'm surprised he kept his composure as well as he did, this whole project had to be so draining.
Finally! The "Hangin' With Adam" Simulator I so desperately need! I can't wait to see if there's any moments of him eating so I can also make ramen in a pot and join him! This is the first highlight video to truly make you FEEL like Adam!!! Seriously though, thanks Salamancer for all your hard work in putting this beast of a video together! Sorry I wasn't able to help, but it might be for the best cause you did an amazing job!!!
It's really interesting to me how just a few individuals managed to create this perception that The Lion King ripped off Kimba and made people believe it so strongly that they argued against Adam while he was researching it. Really goes to show how easy it is to manipulate people and how wanting to believe something can influence your opinions to a huge extent. It makes the behind the scenes story of Adam researching this even better than the video itself.
It still boggles me that the primary video used as evidence to push the Kimba conspiracy was 92% comprised of *concept art* on the Lion King's side. It really feels like that video was preying on people who have no idea how animated projects are made. I'm aware of my bias since I have more experience with animation, but I am genuinely surprised by how many people look at unused concept art and take that as irrefutable evidence of plagiarism. Also, I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but I still can't believe I fell for that video when they labeled a lot of Kimba clips as being from the 1960s when the quality of the animation shows that a good amount of those clips were clearly made in the 90s (80s at earliest).
And a lot of the concept art didn't make it because it's concept art. Mheetu, the canceled brother of Nala, the white and black cubs (which I actually think were partially reused for Lion King 2, especially the black cub as Kovu), Zazu's early concept being more similar to a depressed Polly...
Thanks for all the hard work. I can’t even imagine trying to edit and upload a video over 8 hours long. Gonna keep coming back to this over the course of a few days lol
This controversy was misleading enough that it resulted in my animation history teacher showing the class the 1997 movie credits and presenting it as if it was the 60s OP because he genuinely thought it was. He did note that people use the 1997 movie to make illegitimate comparisons, but apparently didn’t realize that what he was showing us was from that same movie. I remember thinking “wow they copied everything” and also thinking “wow this animation sure is polished for a 60s anime OP”. Found Adum’s video a year later and realized it looked amazing for the 60s because it was the 90s. Honestly ashamed at how willing I was to accept that the Lion King was a ripoff. We all want to pin as many crimes on the Disney company as possible because we hate them, but we should really stick to legitimate complaints - there are plenty after all Edit: I just checked the video I saved that he showed us of 1997 footage, and it’s titled as being the opening from 1965, and was uploaded by a Kimba fan channel. At this point, not surprised
@@whitemouse7854 I just didn't think that there would be a full class just for Animation History since Animation only began in like 1910 I would've thought that Animation History would be a part of the curriculum during an Animation class.
@@pintolerance785that’s 100+ years of a globally huge industry. You could narrow it down to JUST Japanese or American animation and have way more material than you could ever cover in a single class. This comment is…… ignorant lol
it's so astounding to me how everyone has no problem defending the corporate machine that is disney but the one time they don't wanna shill for disney it's not even warranted criticism
_Disney gets criticized with baseless claims_ Disney apologists: We sleep _Disney gets criticized for milking franchises dry_ Disney apologists: Real sh**!
The most generous theory I can give to that first infamous video is that the creator somehow watched a japanese version of the series without subtitles and either skimmed through it or didn't pay that much attention. That is honestly the most charitable I could be. The more I think about it the harder it becomes to believe they weren't being actively manipulative and dishonest.
I am still amazed how much of an end to the conversation Adam's video was and of course these clips from the editing streams contributed to that immensely. Most internet controversies end when people are just tired of talking about it. It is really rare when things end so abruptly and thoroughly debunked that nobody even talks about Kimba anymore.
I want to focus on that line in the sequel series dub that was like "I used to be named Kimba, but that meant coward. So, I changed my name to Leo because I'm no longer a coward" for a bit. Like the in-universe explanation for why he was even called Kimba in the first series is like because it was a name that Panja/Caesar gave to Eliza/Snowene before he died. And she named their son Kimba because it was like the last wish of her dying mate. I get that the dubbing company for the sequel series didn't give a single shit about making the two series consistent. But it's really funny that by the sequel series' logic Panja/Caesar gets shot and his dying words to his mate are essentially "Don't cry babe, when you have our kid you can maybe name him whiny little bitch because he'll be such a pathetic weakling".
I choose to believe that the name "Kimba" meant something different, it's just that someone was able to successfully gaslight Leo into hating his old name at some point before he grew up.
Thank you so much Salamancer for all the work getting this video out! Love having long videos playing the background when I do stuff and this is perfect for that!
It is simply just a case of "Simpsons did it-itis". I didn't really know or care about this whole thing until I watched YMS's videos. Now I just need to convince my husband 😭
Funny enough the first I ever heard of Kimba was from an old Lindsay Ellis video circa 2011 about The Lion King that’s been long deleted (tho mirrors still exist) where she briefly mentioned the “controversy.” Right up front she’s like “Have people actually watched Kimba?” She takes a similar stance to you on how the two properties really aren’t that similar, and that while Disney may have taken “inspiration” that it’s not really a copy of Kimba. Once this whole Kimba comparison stuff exploded online around the time of the 2019 lion king remake, I had to scoff knowing that none of it was true and that peeps were falling for shabby reporting. Love your Kimba vid, mate!
My favourite Disney-movie was The lion king growing up. But I also watched Kimba when I was young because it was included in the weekend morning cartoons on the TV. And I loved it. Never in my life would cross my mind that it was a ripoff, because the two were just so different, and I don't know about Kimba being less popular than The Lion Ling, but it wasn't Disney and it was only aired on saturdays so of course it was less known. I got frustrated when people started saying that Disney ripped off Kimba, and I always said it was not, and source: "I watched it" . Still, nobody took me seriously for some reason. I also found those videos comparing the two but for me it was so unbelievable that I turned those off, not realizing that those videos were the ones that possibly made my friends not believe me. (Also mocking me cause I watched the series and they didn't because it looked stupid for them) So thanks Adum, for making the video about the controversy, I've sent it to people to prove I was right. They didn't watch it but it's on them now.
Thank you Salamancer for all the hard work you put into this channel. This is an insane video, and I can't imagine all the annoyances with the editing problems and so forth.
Only now that you've put all this content in one video I've realised that I've rewatched a whole 8 hours worth of Adam's Kimba content several times I mean I knew there were a lot of videos, but never thought that it all takes 8 hours to watch
About Matthew Broderick and The Lion King’s working title allegedly including “Simba”: this is bullshit. First story treatments from the very early 90’s had titles such as “King of the Kalahari” and “King of the Beasts”. First drafts/story outlines were named “King of the Jungle”, which was the official working title (set to be released in November 93 according to a very early trailer Disney put together) and then it became “The Lion King” because “lions don’t live in the jungle”. I’ve read extensively about TLK for decades and have a ton of production materials. I’ve never, ever seen a working title including “Simba”. .
Watching this really highlights how dedicated Adum was to make this video as informed and as complete as it could be. The video seemed to be done a few times and then he discovered something which strengthens his argument even more, so he added it, even if it meant more work, it happened with the Ted Talk and the old Simba comics he found. They weren't necessarily needed, but just added onto his arguments. Hats off for all this insane work (not to mention watching all of the Kimba stuff in such a short time, which seems like torture, honestly).
Hey Adum! That person who turned off the comment section seems to have posted a statement of confession shared on other websites. Let me share it here for everyone to see. *I now realize I got some information wrong in this video. I was under the impression that the 1997 Jungle Emperor Leo movie, which I show a lot of clips of in this video, began production before The Lion King. It didn't - I got my information from IMDB, which I assumed was correct. For that reason, the portions of the video that show clips from the 1997 series should be recontextualized as being made after The Lion King. I also assumed the 2000s short came out alongside the 1997 film, because the art styles are so similar and I had only seen the short on TH-cam, with no date attached. I apologize for making mistakes - this was a quick video made as an assignment. I've stopped making videos completely and I don't use this channel anymore - if I ever start again, I'll make an updated version of this video with corrected information. I keep seeing people claiming I'm a liar and that's just not the case.*
God just looking at this behemoth really illustrates how much of a Grind the Kimba video must have been tbh. Like seriously you finishing that thing was a genuine accomplishment imo. well done.
"Welcome to my Ted talk where we discuss how Kimba is actually mid af, and all of you are a bunch of baby Disney haters and I'm the only true Kimba connoisseur" -the chosen one
I'm not gonna reveal anything obvi, but as a kid I actually watched the person who made most of the inciting Kimba conspiracy videos a lot. I didn't worship them or anything, but I was a huge fan of their content. I believed them on the conspiracy of course, both because I looked up to them and because I knew how invested they were in Kimba. It was just a factoid that kind of sat in the back of my mind, though. I didn't really have any thoughts on it, nor did I really think the "plagiarism" was intentional. It just kind of sat in my mind untouched...... Until I saw the original YMS Kimba video earlier this year. It's fuckin wild to see their videos that I haven't watched in years be methodically picked apart and the manipulation that worked on me and others be so thoroughly torn down. I don't wish anything bad on them, but still it's absolutely wild. Since then they've taken down all their Kimba videos except an interview clip, so at the very least I'm glad the misinformation appears to have been shut down.
Great point! That is why the YMS Kimba Video is useful beyond its subject matter. It vividly exemplifies how easy manipulation is to both pull off and fall prey to, and even how we like to fool ourselves into thinking that "I'm not manipulating!" or "I'm not being manipulated!". As an Anime fan in my teens I also knew about the Kimbaspiracy and pretty much took it as fact. The weirdest thing is, I couldn't tell you how I specifically came to hear about it, I didn't even watch Kimba.. It was before the internet and youtube becoming big, so the main source of "knowledge" was just Anime-circles in my rather small local area. I guess it just was a part of the subconcious zeitgeist, everyone "knew" Lion King was a blatant and malicious rip off. I loved the Lion King movie but Disney being an evil soulless corporation made the "blatant rip-off" theory easily fit my worldview at the time. Nowadays that I have a more skeptical worldview, thus try to be more conscious about our hyperactive agency detection and have learned how easy conspiracy theories can form, I try to be more rational and use logical over emotional discourse. But actively using rational thinking and detecting manipulation takes an active effort. Recognizing and acknowledging our own shortcoming is hard and sucks, our brains hate it...especially when we are emotionally bound to certain opinions due to our experiences especially in childhood. And it's even harder to accept that we are all prone to doing and/or falling for it and even more that the motivation is not always malicious. As you said, we need not hold ill will against manipulators (or the manipulated), but pointing out when arguments are not rational or not in good faith is as necessary as training ourselves to better recognize the signs. That's why I would even recommend the YMS Kimba Video to people who don't care about the subject matter. It's a great demonstration of the human condition, how facts get distorted to easily fit narratives when we are trying to rationalize things to fit our predetermined notions and also how to try and get above it to see a clearer, less black&white picture.
Sadly, they actually didn't take down their videos. They simply privatized them to where they can only be accessed by giving the link out. This is because they still want the videos to live on in the articles and other content creators that referenced them, that blindly accept the conspiracy theory. The most they did before rage-quitting on the public was edit their 'similarity' videos to no longer include the 1997 movie and explain in the description box that they simply believed the IMDb trivia page on it's release date. That's it. They still largely believe everything that they made and insist they weren't lying or being manipulative. Precisely why that Fred Ladd video is still up with the "No comment." in the description box. That being said, yeah, even I used to believe that the Lion King copied from Kimba and it was something that really gained a lot of traction in the late 90s to early 2000s, even Cracked magazine was hopping on the bandwagon. This was all on face-value because I could never find anything that actively broadcasted or distributed Kimba, and the 1997 movie and the 1989 series was the only thing making headway at the time. In fact, when Pioneer decided to distribute the 89 series, they bizarrely release teasers at the very end of Pokemon VHS tapes without any clue if it was a movie or series and at this point I thought 'that' and the 1997 film were the same thing (not having any idea of the original series at all). With all this, combined with the already widespread stigma, it was very easy to accept what everyone else was saying. However, as Adam has said, we only have ourselves to blame for not doing the research ourselves to begin with. Still, it absolutely sucks to being mislead around by people who either didn't watch it or fans vastly exaggerating nonsense to what I can only surmise is to either try and get Kimba more popularity or out of personal ego.
@@Onomatopoeia001 oy vey, really?? God, how petty can you be... I'm really interested to see the rage quit I must say but I imagine it's long gone. At the very least this takedown was so unanimous I hope it kills all conversation on the matter outside of their own small, deluded circles. I didn't know much about them but that's still super disappointing to hear, what a schlub. You'd think someone with a degree like theirs would understand simple concepts like .. media being mediocre and how that's not necessarily a crime, or. Works can be similar through creative convergent evolution and innocent inspiration rather than intentional plagiarism. Or the seriousness of a plagiarism claim even-but I guess logic and fairness was never their intention was it. I was still a kid when I originally saw the video though; I didn't know how to find Kimba to watch for myself back then which sucks. Probably happened to a lot of other people like me who watched their channel as kids
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat as you. Used to watch a looot of Warriors-centric stuff, and AlliKatNya was basically a god in that scene. Funny how things progress. I also took these video sat face value, but funnily enough, I was able to find most of the 60s Kimba series plus the 97 movie on TH-cam. For whatever reason, despite watching the entire series plus, it didn't click with me for a long time that Kimba and The Lion King are simply not comparable. I do remember thinking "Huh. It'd be really weird if Simba somehow kept his dead dad's skin around" or "It'd be weird if Simba somehow joined the circus.", but not much else. I remember seeing a comment about how Kimba was better because it taught more varied lessons than Lion King and not thinking much of it, but now I look back and realize how bizarre it all was. All Kimba conversation led back to TLK somehow, and it's kinda sad that a historically significant property was overshadowed by all this hubbub. In any case, I'm similarly glad that the air has been pretty thoroughly cleared. Kinda satisfying personally, even nostalgic, with all the pieces I had from watching the show and movie and unfair TH-cam comparisons coming together to make a clear picture.
@@Johnny_Three-hats THISSS omg. I never watched Kimba myself but yeah haha. Found out through other comments that them leaving up the one video was p much silent rebellion though 😂 they only unlisted the other kimba videos so they can remain on articles pfft. Fuckin wild
You would think that if you loved Kimba so much, you would want to highlight and talk about the differences rather than accuse The Lion King of plagiarism
even though it's only been 2 years since the research this is pretty nostalgic, congrats on putting this out i remember you were working on this since like last year lol
The one takeaway from this and the actual vid on the Kimba controversy is that there are a myriad of things to be mad at Disney over, but "plagiarizing" Kimba isn't one of them
I saw this video like a month ago and thought there's no way I'm gonna be interested in watching adum talk about Kimba for almost 9 hours but i saved it to my watch later anyways and this was better than a Netflix binge
I’ve just finished this, and I declare, it is a testament to the pursuit of truth and reason. If the world adopted Adam’s approach to Kimba in every aspect of their life, they would lead rational, purposeful lives, free of contradiction
The world is more complicated and subtle than you can even imagine. If people were perfect, life still wouldn’t be perfect. And there are many questions that have multiple right answers.
@@maddieb.4282 Reality is knowable. Your senses are valid. Your capacity for reason is reliable. The possibility of error due to insufficient information exists but so long as you don’t evade what you can determine is true, you can reasonably expect to set values for yourself and achieve them.
Adum discrediting Fred Patton on the basis of him being a furry despite him also being a furry is the funniest thing to come out of this controversy. I know he’s not actually saying it in a derogatory way but when he says “this guys a weeb furry!” It sounds so much like he’s mocking him 😂 This whole drama is just two furries having a cat fight. Edit: 4:15:18 HE ADMITS IT 7:54:01
The whole Kimba vs The Lion King controversy reminds me a lot of Doug Walker when he was trying to convince us that movies like District 9, Gladiator, or The Matrix are overrated. Just looking at random parts and going "I've seen that before, I've seen that before. Not original". No wonder Doug is the only big movie youtuber (that I know) who still thinks The Lion King is a ripoff.
This video is long enough for someone to fall asleep to Adum ranting about a lion cartoon only to wake up to Adum still ranting about a lion cartoon
Trying this right now!
I just did this and it was incorporated into a dream I had hahahaha
@@darowchdawg literally did this and yeah it got into my dream too
*raises hand
This is now my go to bedtime story
kimba: has a shot with a cliff in it
kimba-spiracists: "wow, dude pride rock!"
The Avengers-level threat team-up: Kimba-spiracists & Lion King (2019) Reactions
Good reference
Good reference
_hmm suspicious..._
WOW DUDE PRIDE RAHCK
8 hours of YMS saying "You never watched the show", my new sleep-time lullaby.
And "that's from the 1997 movie!"
“THAT’S FROM 1997!” Oh and, “THAT BOAR IS IN ONE EPISODE!”
Still not enough to convince biased people
@@flirpykidFr, I'm astounded at the fact that there's still people out there who will smugly say that TLK ripped off Kimba even AFTER this almost surgical breakdown of the situation
Can't wait to wake up to "YOU'RE USING CLIPS FROM THE 97 MOVIE!"
I’m surprised how many people in the Kimba crowd can’t tell the difference between animation from the 60’s and animation from the 90’s.
Its wild; completely different budget, art style, animation studio, the characters don't even look the same
I think it's sorta a confirmation bias, many viewers automatically think that the lion king ripped off kimba, and so when they watch the videos it's without a watchful eye. So they don't *really* look at the kimba footage, they just glance over it and only see the barebones similarities between kimba clips (spanning from the 60's to literally 2009) and the lion king clips, and look no further than that surface level
@@theoldhermit2601 Also doesn't help that the early 2000's productions deliberately replicate the 90's productions' art and animation styles too. So there's even later samples being erroneously claimed as things that predate the Lion King when they're all very much after it. But yes, they have a conclusion in mind to start and just glance for whatever suits it devoid of any context or accuracy. Ex: how many one-off adult lion characters are consolidated into being Bubu/Claw for this argument when context and truth is Bubu's not actually THAT prominent or important of an antagonist as he doesn't appear all that often in the manga and various TV anime series and is omitted entirely from the movies.
And can't tell how different scenes are, like they actually try linking random scenes that have entirely different characters and Kimba randomly aging and de-aging and compare it to a fluid clip from TLK.
I'm not surprised I'm concerned
Bah. Think of this - those clips obviously come from totally different movies, they have totally different art styles, most of them don't logically follow others, et cetera, they were very obviously just frankensteined together from various films and/or episodes of a TV show, yet all those morons believe that those are all bits and pieces from a single movie that was made in sixties...
I love how Adam became the leading expert on kimba purely out of spite
That moment when Adam knows and has seen more of Kimba than most Kimba “fans” and has only seen it just for research purposes
Adum: Professor of Kimbology.
"I watched a million hours of this old ass anime and the entire world will realize what I did whether you like it or not!"
At this rate we'll have enough footage of Adum ranting about fictional lions to fill an entire day
The dream.
@@iciajay6891 The prophecy.
@@FirstMetalHamster The inevitability.
If this is edited down then that amount of footage probably exists
@@smaakjeks Rise, Roar, Revolt
One of my favourite things is how every time he yells something like "THIS IS THE '97 MOVIE!", he circles his mouse pointer over the image so rapidly that it gets larger like it's yelling with him.
I love rewatching all the Kimba clips because Adum really came upon one of those magical moments where he managed to uncover something that seemingly no one else realized.
A true pioneer
This is what Galileo must have felt like
In one giant sitting, you can really feel Adam incrementally getting more and more frazzled by the people who claim to know more than him who haven't even watched the show.
Yeah, at first he just gradually gets more agitated but then he's just over it
Well at least IMDB almost completely changed his Biography and now there is 0 mention of Lion King or Disney, which is very good and I'm happy about it
for such a legendary and productive and multitalented guy to live in the shadow of a movie he had nothing to do with because people wanted to use him as a weapon against Disney, is so pitiful
2:45:35 and about a minute ahead: I have a degree in English studies, and this actually goes straight to the core of one of the major controversies within the field of post-colonial studies. The assumption here is basically that the original creator of Kimba is simply incapable of tackling western institutions, or that he lacks the competence or means to do so in any meaningful way. And while that may indeed be true, and have been true, in many other cases, it is not a universal standard by which you can judge any and all foreign persons. If he had believed that he had a reasonable case, he both could and would have pursued Disney. And if the evidence was anywhere near as overwhelming as the Kimba segment makes it out to be, then he Disney wouldn't have stood a chance. Mind you, people are using phrases such as plagiarizing and outright copy/pasting.
Tezuka was not a helpless Asian man being ground into the dirt by western foreigners who stole both his idea and his art. He is an internationally recognized artist who effectively laid the foundations for one of the most popular cultural currents to ever come out of Japan. People may have good intentions when they portray him as this sad and helpless victim of Disney's hegemony, but with or without good intentions, racism is racism.
5:30:00 At this point, the lawyer even describes Tezuka as, and I quote: "Poor and weak." The godfather of anime, and an extremely successful artist, who didn't even pick this fight himself, but who was made into a political tool for people to accuse Disney of a crime they didn't commit. Reduced to being poor and weak. For shame.
Lol. It's really funny to me because Kurosawa a contemporary to Tezuka film director sued Sergio Leone for copyright infringement. .. and won. There is evidence of Tezuka suing people he believed had infringed his copyright, the most famous was on pretty thin ground. He would have gone after Disney.
@@funlover163 If Tezuka or anyone in his family had genuinely believed that Disney had *stolen* his intellectual property, then there's no doubt in my mind that they would have pursued it legally.
Characterizing Tezuka, the man credited with essentially inventing anime - a cultural giant in the east as well as the west - as 'poor and weak' is absolutely absurd, and speaks volumes of the malicious intent of the people making the argument. They're not at all interested in 'avenging Tezuka' or protecting anyone from the greed of western corporations; they're trying to promote themselves by pretending to have a positive agenda. It's pathetic and sad. And how you could possibly claim to take yourself and your profession seriously as a professor, citing random anonymous TH-cam trolls as legitimate sources without EVER checking for yourself... It mean, that's just beyond me.
@@henrikhumle7255 Exactly, that's the same vibe I got from watching her commentary. The same more or less applies to many people online who also accused TLK of plagiarism; it's abundantly clear that many of them didn't give a crap about Tezuka and were either trying to promote themselves (like all the clickbait channels and yellow journalism articles) by going after a popular and prolific controversy, or they were ignoramuses more concerned about virtue-signaling and jumping on the Disney hate bandwagon rather than acknowledging Tezuka. Then there's the minority, the salty Kimba fans being petty towards The Lion King (like the person who made the "How Similar Are They?" video).
I left many comments on these kimba conspiracy videos which were largely the same points adum made (theres actually always been these same points made forever but boy am i glad adum used his recognition to put this shit to rest finally) and they ALWAYS answer with "oh yeah?? Oh yeah??? Do you imagine how sad and weak and helpless Tezuka was, did you ever think that?? Checkmate" it made me so mad i just walked away lol i wasnt willing to entertain somebodys fanfic about a real person.
Tezuka was fairly happy to destroy properties he thought were ripping off even a single of his character, most brutal one was when he believed a fellow producer stole his companys pre production designs for a talking squirrel (as well as the squirrel being a sidekick to a human detective), he wouldve gone after disney if he believed there was a case.
@@KOTEBANAROT Indeed. The racism of low expectations comes out in full force when people assume that Tezuka would somehow be so weak, naive or incompetent that he couldn't possibly defend himself against people trying to appropriate or exploit his products. But people tend to weigh their own intentions above what they actually end up implying about people they perceive as marginalized, hence one of the most important cultural figures within animation gets sidelined as tiny and helpless.
Tezuka was key in making anime what it is today. The only reason these people assume he's an anonymous victim of corporate exploitation is that they haven't bothered reading up on the topic, but just immediately assume "West bad!" because Disney happens to operate in the same rough field. There are plenty of good reasons to be upset with Disney, but this was never one of them.
38:29 - 38:46
That is NOT Simba! That's concept art for a deleted character named Mheetu (pronounced as Me-Too)! He was supposed to be Nala's little brother.
The artist himself, Thom Enriquez, was questioned about this years ago, and he confirmed that the concept art of the lion cub was indeed Mheetu and not Simba. Disney had it edited to be presented as such, and continues to do so. The book “The Lion King: The Full Film Script” which is a fairly recent release, also shows the image with Simba's name edited on.
Edit: I've been about three days watching this video for how long it is. I decided to go into official his channel to find the finished video just to find out I had already seen it, but I don't remember it so I'm watching it a second time :')
As a note, the person who runs or ran the blue background Kimba website had friended me on MySpace when that was still a thing. Wild.
I know this because of YMS highlights/adum
Cool! Thank you! I love knowing all these footnotey things about things!
Adum yelling that he's seen Lion King like 200 times at his chat is the funniest shit
"... believe me, I fUcKING WATCHED THE LION KING, LIKE TWO HUNDRED AND FUCKING TIMES!"
I replayed that part a few times, frankly hilarious lmao!
Timestamp?
I can't believe Lion King ripped off the concept of animals being alive.
One of the biggest services of this entire video series is showing proof of how fast people are at jumping to conclusions, not making their research, believing anything they read on the internet and sticking to their narrative no matter what. It's honestly eye opening and depressing at the same time.
I admire Adum so much for the effort he put into this. Its a pretty thankless position to defend Disney in what seemed like a pretty straightforward case of "evil corporation steals from lesser-known creator" but Adum was able to see the aspect of it that so many people were ignoring: when you make these claims, you're not just slandering Disney, you're slandering a lot of really talented individuals who put a crazy amount of work into creating a pretty spectacular work of art.
yea it's kinda funny that people are immediately dismissing a wonderful movie after hearing misinformation about the creators allegedly stealing from something nobody cared for outside of japan prior to the allegations
lmao
@@DucktorThallium You're the first person to figure out that I was joking, smh
Also, despite what many claim, absolutely nobody promoting this conspiracy gave a crap about Tezuka. They either had no idea who he is and just used him as a blunt instrument for their own anti-Disney agendas, or they were salty Kimba fans more concerned with throwing shade at the infinitely more popular Lion King movie rather than acknowledging the person who made Kimba in the first place or his legacy and impact on Japanese animation (the dude is literally the godfather of anime).
One thing I don’t think anyone mentioned is that visual similarities are pretty much unavoidable because trained artists are using the same principles of shot composition. Like the scenes on the cliffs, any trained artist will want to show the dominant character on the right and shot from below, to highlight their power in the situation, and then reversed for a shot of the dangling character, shot from above over the dominant character’s shoulder to highlight the victim’s vulnerability. Two different trained artists would totally come to the same conclusion
Are you saying the lion king stole from visual aesthetics fundamental to human perception??.??”!jnkkjnuhb
Closest analogy is when he talks about music "ripoffs" and how it's actually chord progression and slight similarities. So yeah, the principles thing.
@@ShyRanger Yeah, unless you want to sound like Trout Mask Replica.
Though, I still *enjoy* songs off that wild album, so...
I can't believe Hamlet ripped off Kimba because a villain wants to be king. Shakespeare should be cancelled. Lol
Bill Shakespeare has been real quiet since this video dropped
What about the actual, real life people who overthrew kings to claim power?
Ripping off Kimba, obviously.
Me going to the Globe Theatre with a boombox playing “Wa-wa-wa-wa.”
@@Longshanks1690 This just made me snort-laugh in public 😂
Well dude is dead so....
5:29:29 In memorium of Madhavi Sunder's positive like/dislike ratio.
Then: 55 - 2
Now: 100 - 5,634
great work soldiers 😎
4:33:17 Scar himself looks foreign, weak and with very female moves.
Iconic.
It’s remarkable to me how Adum was so willing to give the benefit of the doubt. “You’re being dishonest, even if you’re not aware of it.” “Sorry! Not trying to be mean!” But soon enough it becomes undeniable and he’s flying off the handle
Adum becoming progressively more unhinged for 8 and a half hours
Even the names are similar. Fred Ladd and Fred Patton? Hmm suspicious...
Do a pushup each time when:
"It's the 1997 movie!"
"Simba is Swahili for lion!"
"Yes, Kimba invented that."
"So you can't have the animals running anymore?"
"There's only so much you can do in Africa with animals."
"That's a trope."
"3000 MINUTES VS 90 MINUTES."
"They didn't watch the show!"
Throw in “They didn’t watch the show!” For Extra Hard mode
@@Blucham thanks, I'm only halfway through the video and will keep the list updated
“You can’t have a BIRD CHARACTER anymore??!??”
Dead in 5 minutes.
My new workout routine
Adum’s original 2 hour video and all of the highlight clips available at the time honest to god got me through the summer of 2020. It was a really hard time for my family and I especially because my parents couldn’t work due to the pandemic. We were eating from the food bank and could barely pay the bills. Since literally nothing was open and there was fuck all to do in my rural neighborhood I spent hours on TH-cam just watching whatever and the Kimba stuff in particular made me laugh when it hurt to do so. In a time of uncertainty it gave me an escape, and let me know there are people in the world who are sane and grounded in reality.
The Kimba controversy was originally the highlight of 2020. Rewatched Adum’s video and all of the production highlights over and over.
Thank you for all of your hard work, and helping many of us get through roughy times with this amazing content.
right? I watched the original video so many times I can't rewatch it anymore bcs I know every sentence lol
Dang, now I kinda want a comment linking to each additional point Adam makes about the differences between The Lion King and Kimba. Definitely a tall order but that’d be interesting at least lol
The irony of everything is that YMS actually gave Kimba far more attention than any of the "Kimba fans" ever did.
Like I am now watching Kimba the White Lion and seeing everything for myself, and I have YMS to thank for it. Not "Hmmm, suspicious" or Sunder's TED Talk where she claims Mufasa showed up in the moon!
Reality is bizarre at times.
SAME I actually watched some of the media that seemed good to me because I loved having the context XD
Is Kimba worth the watch?
I started watching it and hell, I've gotten my friends to watch it. It's the best thing to bring people together and laugh with.
I guess it goes to show, people are more interested to see a unique, crazy af show that is proven to be its own thing, rather than a show they THINK is similar to something they already watched.
I'm pretty sure the kimba controversy actively discouraged folks from watching the show by misrepresenting it as anime Lion King. Misinformation really does hurt everyone.
I love the "I'm not letting them get away with this" at 46:02, it is such a kids movie line yet so apt it's hilarious
5:26:32 - 5:26:42 is one of my favorite reactions of Adum's. The eyes widening and going to the side, the involuntary screech and then covering his mouth, the way he laughs, the "Oh, noo!" it is all just amazing and perfect.
The amount of times he had to explain the name thing is wild lol I'm surprised he kept his composure as well as he did, this whole project had to be so draining.
He should have made it a game and taken a shot every time someone asked.
Congratulations on getting this out!
You expect me to watch
2019 TLK Simba voice: *All of this?*
“yEs”
@@pony7653 Japanese dub: "sOdA"
BEEP
Finally! The "Hangin' With Adam" Simulator I so desperately need! I can't wait to see if there's any moments of him eating so I can also make ramen in a pot and join him! This is the first highlight video to truly make you FEEL like Adam!!!
Seriously though, thanks Salamancer for all your hard work in putting this beast of a video together! Sorry I wasn't able to help, but it might be for the best cause you did an amazing job!!!
yo adam has a whole mukbang channel yms eats
there needs to be a compilation of adam eating and making casual conversation, lol
I can already feel myself wanting to watch this at least 8 times before the end of the year
The person who wrote the IMDb biography was called Fearing A. Mouse
hmmmmmm
@@lowpolyzoe suspicious
i will have to replay this multiple times over multiple nights of falling asleep to this.
This video is too intense to fall asleep too for me
As someone that ACTUALLY watched the show it’s so nice to see someone else rip this controversy apart
love the feeling of him ten seconds from bashing his skull against the wall that permeates the video
It's really interesting to me how just a few individuals managed to create this perception that The Lion King ripped off Kimba and made people believe it so strongly that they argued against Adam while he was researching it. Really goes to show how easy it is to manipulate people and how wanting to believe something can influence your opinions to a huge extent. It makes the behind the scenes story of Adam researching this even better than the video itself.
It still boggles me that the primary video used as evidence to push the Kimba conspiracy was 92% comprised of *concept art* on the Lion King's side. It really feels like that video was preying on people who have no idea how animated projects are made. I'm aware of my bias since I have more experience with animation, but I am genuinely surprised by how many people look at unused concept art and take that as irrefutable evidence of plagiarism.
Also, I know hindsight is 20/20 and all, but I still can't believe I fell for that video when they labeled a lot of Kimba clips as being from the 1960s when the quality of the animation shows that a good amount of those clips were clearly made in the 90s (80s at earliest).
And a lot of the concept art didn't make it because it's concept art. Mheetu, the canceled brother of Nala, the white and black cubs (which I actually think were partially reused for Lion King 2, especially the black cub as Kovu), Zazu's early concept being more similar to a depressed Polly...
Thanks for all the hard work. I can’t even imagine trying to edit and upload a video over 8 hours long. Gonna keep coming back to this over the course of a few days lol
Ty for the quick video, really enjoyed watching it from beginning to end
watching at 10x as well?
The only proper way to enjoy media!
god imagine falling into a rabbit hole and finally seeing the holes and then constantly being told youre wrong without any evidence.
I love how many times Adum has to say that Simba is Swahili for Lion
And how many times Adam's voice rises by a few octaves when he's particularly frustrated
This controversy was misleading enough that it resulted in my animation history teacher showing the class the 1997 movie credits and presenting it as if it was the 60s OP because he genuinely thought it was. He did note that people use the 1997 movie to make illegitimate comparisons, but apparently didn’t realize that what he was showing us was from that same movie. I remember thinking “wow they copied everything” and also thinking “wow this animation sure is polished for a 60s anime OP”. Found Adum’s video a year later and realized it looked amazing for the 60s because it was the 90s. Honestly ashamed at how willing I was to accept that the Lion King was a ripoff. We all want to pin as many crimes on the Disney company as possible because we hate them, but we should really stick to legitimate complaints - there are plenty after all
Edit: I just checked the video I saved that he showed us of 1997 footage, and it’s titled as being the opening from 1965, and was uploaded by a Kimba fan channel. At this point, not surprised
There's a class for animation history?
@@pintolerance785 Why wouldn't there be?
@@whitemouse7854 I just didn't think that there would be a full class just for Animation History since Animation only began in like 1910 I would've thought that Animation History would be a part of the curriculum during an Animation class.
@@pintolerance785 You can make a class out of anything if you try hard enough. I'm sure "June 2009 in animation" could be its own class.
@@pintolerance785that’s 100+ years of a globally huge industry. You could narrow it down to JUST Japanese or American animation and have way more material than you could ever cover in a single class. This comment is…… ignorant lol
it's so astounding to me how everyone has no problem defending the corporate machine that is disney but the one time they don't wanna shill for disney it's not even warranted criticism
_Disney gets criticized with baseless claims_
Disney apologists: We sleep
_Disney gets criticized for milking franchises dry_
Disney apologists: Real sh**!
The most generous theory I can give to that first infamous video is that the creator somehow watched a japanese version of the series without subtitles and either skimmed through it or didn't pay that much attention. That is honestly the most charitable I could be. The more I think about it the harder it becomes to believe they weren't being actively manipulative and dishonest.
I am still amazed how much of an end to the conversation Adam's video was and of course these clips from the editing streams contributed to that immensely. Most internet controversies end when people are just tired of talking about it. It is really rare when things end so abruptly and thoroughly debunked that nobody even talks about Kimba anymore.
I guess it's cause it was mostly manic kimbaheads and then people who believed and parroted them
Canadians raging is so funny! "It's BULLSHIT! You don't know what you're talking about! Everyone's so stupid!...sorry, I'm sorry."
I want to focus on that line in the sequel series dub that was like "I used to be named Kimba, but that meant coward. So, I changed my name to Leo because I'm no longer a coward" for a bit. Like the in-universe explanation for why he was even called Kimba in the first series is like because it was a name that Panja/Caesar gave to Eliza/Snowene before he died. And she named their son Kimba because it was like the last wish of her dying mate. I get that the dubbing company for the sequel series didn't give a single shit about making the two series consistent. But it's really funny that by the sequel series' logic Panja/Caesar gets shot and his dying words to his mate are essentially "Don't cry babe, when you have our kid you can maybe name him whiny little bitch because he'll be such a pathetic weakling".
exactly!
I choose to believe that the name "Kimba" meant something different, it's just that someone was able to successfully gaslight Leo into hating his old name at some point before he grew up.
The man who made that typo on the date would never imagined so many people would see his mistake having such importance
Implying he didn’t do that on purpose
Thank you so much Salamancer for all the work getting this video out! Love having long videos playing the background when I do stuff and this is perfect for that!
In a time when the world was completely shut down and didn’t make sense, this was the one thing I was looking forward to.
You say that as if the world has ever made sense
@@timothyfinch7295 Compared to the pandemic era? Yeah it did… Mostly.
@@comixproviderftw_02 Nah
@@OdaSwifteye Idk
Fun Fact: Kimba has more in common with Ed Gein than with Simba Son of Mufasa
this comment is way too underrated 😭
This is hilarious
It is simply just a case of "Simpsons did it-itis". I didn't really know or care about this whole thing until I watched YMS's videos. Now I just need to convince my husband 😭
Funny enough the first I ever heard of Kimba was from an old Lindsay Ellis video circa 2011 about The Lion King that’s been long deleted (tho mirrors still exist) where she briefly mentioned the “controversy.” Right up front she’s like “Have people actually watched Kimba?” She takes a similar stance to you on how the two properties really aren’t that similar, and that while Disney may have taken “inspiration” that it’s not really a copy of Kimba.
Once this whole Kimba comparison stuff exploded online around the time of the 2019 lion king remake, I had to scoff knowing that none of it was true and that peeps were falling for shabby reporting. Love your Kimba vid, mate!
Rindsey "Nostalgia Chick" "Rape Rap" Erris, who made her bed, slept in it, then complained.
@@theonlybilgewhat the fuck are you even talking about
Adam and Sal are basically mythological heroes in my mind for going through this colossal endeavor.
My favourite Disney-movie was The lion king growing up.
But I also watched Kimba when I was young because it was included in the weekend morning cartoons on the TV. And I loved it. Never in my life would cross my mind that it was a ripoff, because the two were just so different, and I don't know about Kimba being less popular than The Lion Ling, but it wasn't Disney and it was only aired on saturdays so of course it was less known.
I got frustrated when people started saying that Disney ripped off Kimba, and I always said it was not, and source: "I watched it" . Still, nobody took me seriously for some reason. I also found those videos comparing the two but for me it was so unbelievable that I turned those off, not realizing that those videos were the ones that possibly made my friends not believe me. (Also mocking me cause I watched the series and they didn't because it looked stupid for them)
So thanks Adum, for making the video about the controversy, I've sent it to people to prove I was right. They didn't watch it but it's on them now.
Thank you Salamancer for all the hard work you put into this channel. This is an insane video, and I can't imagine all the annoyances with the editing problems and so forth.
Only now that you've put all this content in one video I've realised that I've rewatched a whole 8 hours worth of Adam's Kimba content several times
I mean I knew there were a lot of videos, but never thought that it all takes 8 hours to watch
About Matthew Broderick and The Lion King’s working title allegedly including “Simba”: this is bullshit. First story treatments from the very early 90’s had titles such as “King of the Kalahari” and “King of the Beasts”. First drafts/story outlines were named “King of the Jungle”, which was the official working title (set to be released in November 93 according to a very early trailer Disney put together) and then it became “The Lion King” because “lions don’t live in the jungle”. I’ve read extensively about TLK for decades and have a ton of production materials. I’ve never, ever seen a working title including “Simba”. .
Y'all remember that Timon & Pumbaa show and how appetizing that shit made bugs seem?
Clearly Disney trying to indoctrinate the youth for the future bug only food source dystopia by making bugs look like delicious gummy worms.
Watching this really highlights how dedicated Adum was to make this video as informed and as complete as it could be. The video seemed to be done a few times and then he discovered something which strengthens his argument even more, so he added it, even if it meant more work, it happened with the Ted Talk and the old Simba comics he found. They weren't necessarily needed, but just added onto his arguments. Hats off for all this insane work (not to mention watching all of the Kimba stuff in such a short time, which seems like torture, honestly).
I've rewatched the kimba video every month since it came out of course I'm going to watch a 9 hour supercut of livestreams of making it
Adam made me more emotionally involved with the kimba issue than world hunger
*When you cannot sleep and it’s the dark of night, Adam is a hero to the sleep deprived* 😴
Adam screaming at the top of his lungs about the 97 movie
Me: 🛌
Hey Adum!
That person who turned off the comment section seems to have posted a statement of confession shared on other websites. Let me share it here for everyone to see.
*I now realize I got some information wrong in this video. I was under the impression that the 1997 Jungle Emperor Leo movie, which I show a lot of clips of in this video, began production before The Lion King. It didn't - I got my information from IMDB, which I assumed was correct. For that reason, the portions of the video that show clips from the 1997 series should be recontextualized as being made after The Lion King. I also assumed the 2000s short came out alongside the 1997 film, because the art styles are so similar and I had only seen the short on TH-cam, with no date attached. I apologize for making mistakes - this was a quick video made as an assignment. I've stopped making videos completely and I don't use this channel anymore - if I ever start again, I'll make an updated version of this video with corrected information. I keep seeing people claiming I'm a liar and that's just not the case.*
The question now is: who’s going to create the time stamps?
God just looking at this behemoth really illustrates how much of a Grind the Kimba video must have been tbh. Like seriously you finishing that thing was a genuine accomplishment imo. well done.
"Welcome to my Ted talk where we discuss how Kimba is actually mid af, and all of you are a bunch of baby Disney haters and I'm the only true Kimba connoisseur" -the chosen one
i would watch
Kimba fans = baby Disney haters
Adam = grown ass Disney hater
Actually Kimba is very based, insane in many occasions compared to mid Hamlet with Lions.
@@Bionickpunknah Kimba is mid af
3000 minutes worth of YMS yelling about fictional lions
I could literally never get tired of hearing Adum rant.
I've just woken up, see this video length, and have now made all my plans for today. Thanks for the effort of putting all this great content together!
I'm not gonna reveal anything obvi, but as a kid I actually watched the person who made most of the inciting Kimba conspiracy videos a lot. I didn't worship them or anything, but I was a huge fan of their content. I believed them on the conspiracy of course, both because I looked up to them and because I knew how invested they were in Kimba. It was just a factoid that kind of sat in the back of my mind, though. I didn't really have any thoughts on it, nor did I really think the "plagiarism" was intentional. It just kind of sat in my mind untouched...... Until I saw the original YMS Kimba video earlier this year. It's fuckin wild to see their videos that I haven't watched in years be methodically picked apart and the manipulation that worked on me and others be so thoroughly torn down. I don't wish anything bad on them, but still it's absolutely wild. Since then they've taken down all their Kimba videos except an interview clip, so at the very least I'm glad the misinformation appears to have been shut down.
Great point!
That is why the YMS Kimba Video is useful beyond its subject matter. It vividly exemplifies how easy manipulation is to both pull off and fall prey to, and even how we like to fool ourselves into thinking that "I'm not manipulating!" or "I'm not being manipulated!".
As an Anime fan in my teens I also knew about the Kimbaspiracy and pretty much took it as fact. The weirdest thing is, I couldn't tell you how I specifically came to hear about it, I didn't even watch Kimba.. It was before the internet and youtube becoming big, so the main source of "knowledge" was just Anime-circles in my rather small local area. I guess it just was a part of the subconcious zeitgeist, everyone "knew" Lion King was a blatant and malicious rip off. I loved the Lion King movie but Disney being an evil soulless corporation made the "blatant rip-off" theory easily fit my worldview at the time.
Nowadays that I have a more skeptical worldview, thus try to be more conscious about our hyperactive agency detection and have learned how easy conspiracy theories can form, I try to be more rational and use logical over emotional discourse.
But actively using rational thinking and detecting manipulation takes an active effort. Recognizing and acknowledging our own shortcoming is hard and sucks, our brains hate it...especially when we are emotionally bound to certain opinions due to our experiences especially in childhood. And it's even harder to accept that we are all prone to doing and/or falling for it and even more that the motivation is not always malicious.
As you said, we need not hold ill will against manipulators (or the manipulated), but pointing out when arguments are not rational or not in good faith is as necessary as training ourselves to better recognize the signs.
That's why I would even recommend the YMS Kimba Video to people who don't care about the subject matter. It's a great demonstration of the human condition, how facts get distorted to easily fit narratives when we are trying to rationalize things to fit our predetermined notions and also how to try and get above it to see a clearer, less black&white picture.
Sadly, they actually didn't take down their videos. They simply privatized them to where they can only be accessed by giving the link out. This is because they still want the videos to live on in the articles and other content creators that referenced them, that blindly accept the conspiracy theory. The most they did before rage-quitting on the public was edit their 'similarity' videos to no longer include the 1997 movie and explain in the description box that they simply believed the IMDb trivia page on it's release date. That's it. They still largely believe everything that they made and insist they weren't lying or being manipulative. Precisely why that Fred Ladd video is still up with the "No comment." in the description box.
That being said, yeah, even I used to believe that the Lion King copied from Kimba and it was something that really gained a lot of traction in the late 90s to early 2000s, even Cracked magazine was hopping on the bandwagon. This was all on face-value because I could never find anything that actively broadcasted or distributed Kimba, and the 1997 movie and the 1989 series was the only thing making headway at the time. In fact, when Pioneer decided to distribute the 89 series, they bizarrely release teasers at the very end of Pokemon VHS tapes without any clue if it was a movie or series and at this point I thought 'that' and the 1997 film were the same thing (not having any idea of the original series at all). With all this, combined with the already widespread stigma, it was very easy to accept what everyone else was saying.
However, as Adam has said, we only have ourselves to blame for not doing the research ourselves to begin with. Still, it absolutely sucks to being mislead around by people who either didn't watch it or fans vastly exaggerating nonsense to what I can only surmise is to either try and get Kimba more popularity or out of personal ego.
@@Onomatopoeia001 oy vey, really?? God, how petty can you be... I'm really interested to see the rage quit I must say but I imagine it's long gone. At the very least this takedown was so unanimous I hope it kills all conversation on the matter outside of their own small, deluded circles. I didn't know much about them but that's still super disappointing to hear, what a schlub. You'd think someone with a degree like theirs would understand simple concepts like .. media being mediocre and how that's not necessarily a crime, or. Works can be similar through creative convergent evolution and innocent inspiration rather than intentional plagiarism. Or the seriousness of a plagiarism claim even-but I guess logic and fairness was never their intention was it. I was still a kid when I originally saw the video though; I didn't know how to find Kimba to watch for myself back then which sucks. Probably happened to a lot of other people like me who watched their channel as kids
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat as you. Used to watch a looot of Warriors-centric stuff, and AlliKatNya was basically a god in that scene. Funny how things progress. I also took these video sat face value, but funnily enough, I was able to find most of the 60s Kimba series plus the 97 movie on TH-cam. For whatever reason, despite watching the entire series plus, it didn't click with me for a long time that Kimba and The Lion King are simply not comparable. I do remember thinking "Huh. It'd be really weird if Simba somehow kept his dead dad's skin around" or "It'd be weird if Simba somehow joined the circus.", but not much else. I remember seeing a comment about how Kimba was better because it taught more varied lessons than Lion King and not thinking much of it, but now I look back and realize how bizarre it all was. All Kimba conversation led back to TLK somehow, and it's kinda sad that a historically significant property was overshadowed by all this hubbub.
In any case, I'm similarly glad that the air has been pretty thoroughly cleared. Kinda satisfying personally, even nostalgic, with all the pieces I had from watching the show and movie and unfair TH-cam comparisons coming together to make a clear picture.
@@Johnny_Three-hats THISSS omg. I never watched Kimba myself but yeah haha. Found out through other comments that them leaving up the one video was p much silent rebellion though 😂 they only unlisted the other kimba videos so they can remain on articles pfft. Fuckin wild
Wow, a nearly 9 hour video. Must be a livestream.
*sees YMS highlights
😱
Drink every time someone says "what about the names Kimba and Simba 🤔"
Hmmm...suspicious...
Lion King, Lion Kimba... hmm suspicious... am I doing it right
This video is like the Behind the Scenes footage and Extras for the Main Movie DVD that is the YMS Kimba Video. Love it.
You would think that if you loved Kimba so much, you would want to highlight and talk about the differences rather than accuse The Lion King of plagiarism
Just finished watching this, it changed my life.
Actually finished watching it now, good video :)
this is like, the perfect thing to listen to while doing my own stuff it is an absolute treat of almost 9 whole hours
6:01:37 I love that as an advocate in this whole conspiracy, Adum has his own "to the left"-moment, just like Kevin Costner in JFK. 😄
even though it's only been 2 years since the research this is pretty nostalgic, congrats on putting this out i remember you were working on this since like last year lol
Just randomly clicked landed on 2:50:03 and I think that pretty much summed up yms's take on the kimba debate and I love it
The one takeaway from this and the actual vid on the Kimba controversy is that there are a myriad of things to be mad at Disney over, but "plagiarizing" Kimba isn't one of them
It took about a week, but I finally got through it. Lovely editing all the way through!
8 hours?? That’s my in-flight entertainment sorted! You’re the best Olivia 👍🏻
This is why i still watch adum lol...man is undefeated when it comes to spite
This is gonna be the thing I watch when I have nothing else to watch for the next week or so
7:23:17 "Why do people just say things without evidence?"
Me, a historian and history teacher: Welcome to my world.
Finally, usually I use YMS to sleep after I have watched the video, but now finally a video so long it will still be playing when I wake up.
I saw this video like a month ago and thought there's no way I'm gonna be interested in watching adum talk about Kimba for almost 9 hours but i saved it to my watch later anyways and this was better than a Netflix binge
I’ve just finished this, and I declare, it is a testament to the pursuit of truth and reason. If the world adopted Adam’s approach to Kimba in every aspect of their life, they would lead rational, purposeful lives, free of contradiction
The world is more complicated and subtle than you can even imagine. If people were perfect, life still wouldn’t be perfect. And there are many questions that have multiple right answers.
@@maddieb.4282 Reality is knowable. Your senses are valid. Your capacity for reason is reliable. The possibility of error due to insufficient information exists but so long as you don’t evade what you can determine is true, you can reasonably expect to set values for yourself and achieve them.
After 2 weeks, I finally finished the entire video. Lots of new stuff in here! Thanks for all the effort you put into it. Great work!
I am sure the Time Machine Disney used is stored right next to Walt's cryo-frozen head.
Buried underneath EPCOT
NINE
NINE HOURS??
fuck I have no where nearly enough popcorn for this
Adum discrediting Fred Patton on the basis of him being a furry despite him also being a furry is the funniest thing to come out of this controversy.
I know he’s not actually saying it in a derogatory way but when he says “this guys a weeb furry!” It sounds so much like he’s mocking him 😂
This whole drama is just two furries having a cat fight.
Edit: 4:15:18 HE ADMITS IT
7:54:01
If people think names can't be a coincident then don't look up Dennis the Menace.
The whole Kimba vs The Lion King controversy reminds me a lot of Doug Walker when he was trying to convince us that movies like District 9, Gladiator, or The Matrix are overrated. Just looking at random parts and going "I've seen that before, I've seen that before. Not original". No wonder Doug is the only big movie youtuber (that I know) who still thinks The Lion King is a ripoff.
Hope you get some rest after this one Salamancer, can't imagine how much work this was.
I've heard of going the extra mile, but Salamancer decided to run a marathon.