Martin Amis & Irvine Welsh debate Scottish independence | Channel 4 News

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  • @JuanWild51
    @JuanWild51 10 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    a couple of guys living in the USA, debating Scottish independence..

    • @fishfingers160
      @fishfingers160 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And? One is Scottish and one is English, it doesn’t matter where they live. It’s like saying no one should have any interest in foreign wars, US presidential campaigns, foreign sports etc etc….

  • @burooo
    @burooo 10 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Irvine speaks very well. Thanks Irvine.

  • @noormoses9742
    @noormoses9742 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    RIP Martin Amis❤😢

  • @michaelcoombs841
    @michaelcoombs841 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wish news debates were like this now - they’re both pretty civil and curious

  • @maryreilly5102
    @maryreilly5102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    'The Scots have always been more left-wing that the Brits' commrnt says it all. Martin himself does not even think that the Scots are Brits.

  • @sophie-grace9143
    @sophie-grace9143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Martin Amis: "bereft" if Scotland voted for independence. I can't remember a single line in any of his novels that shows the slightest interest even in England outside London, let alone in any of the other UK nations.

    • @markdempsey8622
      @markdempsey8622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a wonderful comment. I read "Success", gave up with "London fields'....his 'hipness' was a Concorde flight.

    • @fishfingers160
      @fishfingers160 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does he have to show interest? His personal opinions does not have to be in his novels, they’re fiction novels.

  • @xtraspecialmango
    @xtraspecialmango 10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Was Martin high?

  • @daisbumflea9070
    @daisbumflea9070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    " *tHe CelTic CharaCTer*
    *Retches*

  • @DizzyVizion
    @DizzyVizion ปีที่แล้ว

    He appeals to loyalty.
    Like a master calling his dog.

  • @cantuntun
    @cantuntun 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I´m from a very far away land (Argentina). Sorry for being direct: why exists such a huge debate outside from Scotland concerning their future ???? Why the british and international west media is so scared ???????? Why the big media presents the referendum like something so surrealist ????? Looks like we´r still living in the past where smaller territories were absorbed for stronger pirates empires without right to decide on their future. Is not big deal... it;s just a people who wants to be independent... is that so complicated to assimilate ?????

    • @garymorgan3314
      @garymorgan3314 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The union of 1707 was favoured by the Scots, the engineers of Empire. It got them lots,,,as doe the Barnett formula now...look that up.
      Best wishes,
      Gary [ who likes Argentina].

  • @grahamfleming8139
    @grahamfleming8139 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Assaulting and attacking 181 countries is. Normal? This fellow Ignor Amos is a typical English man

  • @Gerard_2024
    @Gerard_2024 ปีที่แล้ว

    @01:56 You have "wrote" a lot about Englishness. Am I the only person who heard that glaring error ?
    When I went to school "written" was the correct form of the past participle of the verb "write".
    Has the language changed or is he himself simply not, as he says to Amis, "a master of words" @ 09:03 ?

  • @errolkim1334
    @errolkim1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS

  • @periurban
    @periurban 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    NHS vs Trident. Yup.

  • @chaser8652
    @chaser8652 ปีที่แล้ว

    rip

  • @wanderer4568
    @wanderer4568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two men from very different social backgrounds

  • @dariusvanderulvo9862
    @dariusvanderulvo9862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the oil Scotland

    • @nikmak
      @nikmak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Basically. Now its the the renewables they are after.

    • @agsrd4496
      @agsrd4496 ปีที่แล้ว

      And it was squandered

  • @scottstewarttv
    @scottstewarttv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even the news reporter is bias towards Scotland hahahaha

  • @alphabetaxenonzzzcat
    @alphabetaxenonzzzcat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Scottish independence will come - just not yet. I think it needs to happen, as to stop a lot of anti English sentiment up in Scotland. A velvet divorce like was done in Czechoslovakia would be the best thing to do.

    • @pauldoherty6413
      @pauldoherty6413 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Anti English sentiment? Utter nonsense.

    • @TomorrowWeLive
      @TomorrowWeLive ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@pauldoherty6413 not at all. Scots today are viciously anti-English. And becoming more so with each generation the SNP brainwashes with communist poison (whilst their own current leader, a brown Muslim foreigner, rages that so many Scottish government positions are filled by...Scots and wants to throw people in prison for what they say in the privacy of their own homes).

  • @leftin74
    @leftin74 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Scottish Lords were paid in gold to join with England. SO give the English the gold BACK

    • @bill5328
      @bill5328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Liquid gold?.

    • @grahamfleming8139
      @grahamfleming8139 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I trillion from the North Sea to
      Scotland.

  • @Cousinreeek
    @Cousinreeek ปีที่แล้ว

    Irvine needed not show up as Martin Amis single handily makes one of the best demonstrations for a need for Scottish independence you’ll ever see.

  • @kkwillsaveus
    @kkwillsaveus ปีที่แล้ว

    Here after the death of Amis. I was at my grandmother's in Scotland fearing indy would win when this was shown. "The celtic male is either a hard man or a desperate chancer, the desperate chancers are showing strong but will the hard men choose a risk averse path and vote no." A great distillation of nationalism.

  • @67cyborg1
    @67cyborg1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ALEX SALMOND BLEW IT.

    • @errolkim1334
      @errolkim1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No but his girlfriend did

  • @errolkim1334
    @errolkim1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Irvine Welsh is a writer, yeah? He's glancing at his notes all the time. He's a lightweight.

    • @markdempsey8622
      @markdempsey8622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No. He's an excellent writer.

    • @errolkim1334
      @errolkim1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markdempsey8622 no...he is poo

    • @hokeypokey3645
      @hokeypokey3645 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is no crime to look at your notes. I thought he argued his case well.

  • @polomis27
    @polomis27 ปีที่แล้ว

    All three of our poor babies described Ireland as part of "Britan",
    All three of our babies said this has never happened before........
    All three of our babies have never read a book
    Ireland is an independent Republic
    Ireland has a seat in the United Nations.
    Ireland ha shat in the face of Britishness and has had no consequences of substance

    • @nickelmouse451
      @nickelmouse451 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "All three of our babies have never read a book" - Yes, the novelists have never read a book...