I can appreciate your intent in this video. Just not sure why you would want to do that when all your equipment is not available. Thank you for your effort.
when we do this with a pinned kayak, our load rope is often also anchored with an Italian hitch and a second person. They pull the slack through while the pulleys work, and when you need to reset (we do this because often we cant get close to our load over and over, just once) , you can just tie of the Italian hitch.
Your videos are GREAT! Very INTERESTING and INFORMATIVE! I appreciate you and Nikki going out in the cold and snow even when you don't feel well and sharing your knowledge. Please keep doing the videos Don't let negative people bring you down...EVER! Keep doing what you're doing and know that it's appreciated. Thanks again. Bill
Would that not be a 3-1 pull? You have 3 working lines and the pull line. I was under the impression, the one you pull, is the "1" and the rest make up the 3. Or am i not getting it? I am a beginner
Great video but I don't understand why chose the prussic on the load line instead of putting the load line figure 8 on the carbine and add prussic for capture. Thanks for your time, expertise and that fine assistant!!
I posted a correction in the description. The prusiks would go on the main and belay and this is strictly a haul line with no ability to reset. Thanks for comment
This is a good effort, but I think you should reshoot it doing it correctly. In its current form, it may confuse folks more than it helps them. - As the system was set up there is no way to reset the system both because the load is only held by the the hauling Prusik, and because the progress capture Prusik will prevent the system from being reset. You partially address this in the notes, but unless someone already understands how a piggy backed system is supposed to work, the notes won't make that clear. - Use two pulleys. And if you do use a carabiner rather than a pulley explain that the carabiner won't mind a Prusik and that it is more efficient to put the pulley as the first 2:1 and the carabiner as the second position rather than as was done here. - Don't call a Prusik hitch a wrap 3 pull 2 (as you do when tying the second Prusik hitch). You obviously know what you are doing so you could really make a great video if you took some time and did it right.
If you read the description you will see the correction that says you can not capture the load. 9.9/10 people using a pulley like this would use it in their garage or to pull a 4 wheeler out of the mud. The capture is not important on this pulley unless you are using it with a 3-1or haul line with someone over a cliff. i have 10 year on a high/low angle mountain rescue team and the capture is more advanced than the pulley. I debated pulling and reshooting the video but the capture isn't really important on this type of haul. We would eastsblish an anchor and 3-1 is our go to haul. If we need to lighten the haul we would add a 4-1 to the 3-1 with prusiks. The 3-1 would capture and give us the ability to reset the 4-1. I don't know how you can say this video would get somebody hurt. Nobody should take any YT video and think they are a professional. The only difference between this video and others is they show the pulley setup vertices lifting a brick, while this video is laid on the ground.
Joe, I did not mean to imply that this setup would get someone hurt. And I agree that folks shouldn't learn their rescue skills only from internet videos. I just meant that someone unfamiliar with MA systems will not understand the correction or its implications. And absolutely, it is much better to show the setup outside on the ground as you did rather than in a garage or on a white board as many YT videos do.
I don't understand the prusik on the load, isn't the prusik rope holding all the load? Wouldn't it makes sense to hook the actual rope to the caribiner, the rope is stronger than the prusik? I am a bit confused.
Thad Sipple the Prusik is a rope grab and it allows you to slide in either direction to grab more rope. As your pulley pulls uphill you will run out of room and have to reset the system and the Prusik is just one way to grab more rope. The Prusik is ahead of your pulley grabbing, while your mechanical advantage is behind doing the work.
I get that, I meant at the end of your system the Prusik was hooked from them main "load" rope to the pulley, in that instance, the prusik was carrying the entire load and if the prusik slipped the load rope would slide thru to the knot. Unless I saw it wrong. I am stilling learning all this. Thanks for the video too.
+Thad Sipple I see what your saying. If you were doing a small haul you could use a carabiner if you want but the way I set it up is for a large haul. This is used to haul someone up a hill. If they repel over the edge they do it with a single rope and when they get to their destination they tie off. Then the haul team will set this up to haul them back up. You would use a rope grab or prusiks to attached the the repel line to bring them up. Having a rope grab will allow you to reset the system. After you pull and pull you will run out of room and you will need to reset. When you reset you extend the system to gain more ground. If you were using this in your garage you could use a carabiner or even just a knot. You don't need to haul 300-400feet
Awesome thank you for your response, I use pulleys to pull my Subaru out of the snow and mud, whenI am by myself and amazed at what can be pulled, if it is too hard just add another pulley.
I honestly don't understand that prusik on the load rope either, even after the explanation. To move the prusik along the load rope something else will need to take the load temporarily, or the rope will need to be under zero load, in which case you might as well have "figure-eighted" the load rope at a suitable position before hooking directly to a carabiner?
My only question is the location of your load capture device for reset. Yes, your pull rope is slacked but the rest of the system is still under tension making reset impossible. I suggest relocating the capture device to the load line and the other 2-1 in the system, or completely setting up a capture system separate from the 4-1 piggy back.
what is it with you and making videos about pulley systemsand not having the gear (the subject, the content). Great info, and you're doing everything right, but pulley videos should have a pulley where needed, not biners. Keep them coming...
Sorry. I think the info is important and just because I'm one pulley short shouldn't stop me from making a video and share info. Lots of climbers use nothing more than a caribiner. I figured most would get the point and understand what I was saying. It isn't idea because it creates added fiction but still possible. I climb on my own so my gear isn't as extensive as our fire department gear. I'm the lieutenant of the Fire department and it's hard to take department gear to make a video on my own time. Thanks for watching
JOE MANIERY I get it. I do (use to do) tower work so we used pulley systems constantly. As I stated, still good info,but somewhere there is someone watching these to learn for the first time before they go and do it themselves. No problem with you not having everything, I don't either, I also don't make videos, no intentionof starting, but a video about pulley setup, in my opinion, should use a pulley at each pivot. I like your video, just wishing ALL the parts were there. Again,keep them coming.
Can anyone make an outdoor video where I don't spend 30-40% of the time listening to their runny snot? I'm grateful for the material, but I've had to bail on videos before bec. all I hear is snot, snot, snot.
You are awesome! All I wanted to do is move a pool table safely. Learned so much more!!!
If you added a direction change you can add a friction brake
I can appreciate your intent in this video. Just not sure why you would want to do that when all your equipment is not available. Thank you for your effort.
when we do this with a pinned kayak, our load rope is often also anchored with an Italian hitch and a second person. They pull the slack through while the pulleys work, and when you need to reset (we do this because often we cant get close to our load over and over, just once) , you can just tie of the Italian hitch.
Your videos are GREAT! Very INTERESTING and INFORMATIVE! I appreciate you and Nikki going out in the cold and snow even when you don't feel well and sharing your knowledge. Please keep doing the videos Don't let negative people bring you down...EVER! Keep doing what you're doing and know that it's appreciated. Thanks again. Bill
Another prusik or two with a biner (attached to the slack above your mainline prusik) and you could reset, no?
You have my apologies for the lousy comments, I think you got your points across very well. Keep up the good job 👍.
Very Nice
Would that not be a 3-1 pull? You have 3 working lines and the pull line. I was under the impression, the one you pull, is the "1" and the rest make up the 3. Or am i not getting it? I am a beginner
Great video but I don't understand why chose the prussic on the load line instead of putting the load line figure 8 on the carbine and add prussic for capture. Thanks for your time, expertise and that fine assistant!!
I posted a correction in the description. The prusiks would go on the main and belay and this is strictly a haul line with no ability to reset. Thanks for comment
Does a 4-1 pully system increase whatever pressure you use to pull eg. 25lbs to 4x that amount so 25lbs of pulling will pull 100lbs in weight?
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Hello Joe, Nice video, must have been really cold that day you can hear the snow crunching.
This is a good effort, but I think you should reshoot it doing it correctly. In its current form, it may confuse folks more than it helps them.
- As the system was set up there is no way to reset the system both because the load is only held by the the hauling Prusik, and because the progress capture Prusik will prevent the system from being reset. You partially address this in the notes, but unless someone already understands how a piggy backed system is supposed to work, the notes won't make that clear.
- Use two pulleys. And if you do use a carabiner rather than a pulley explain that the carabiner won't mind a Prusik and that it is more efficient to put the pulley as the first 2:1 and the carabiner as the second position rather than as was done here.
- Don't call a Prusik hitch a wrap 3 pull 2 (as you do when tying the second Prusik hitch).
You obviously know what you are doing so you could really make a great video if you took some time and did it right.
If you read the description you will see the correction that says you can not capture the load. 9.9/10 people using a pulley like this would use it in their garage or to pull a 4 wheeler out of the mud. The capture is not important on this pulley unless you are using it with a 3-1or haul line with someone over a cliff. i have 10 year on a high/low angle mountain rescue team and the capture is more advanced than the pulley. I debated pulling and reshooting the video but the capture isn't really important on this type of haul. We would eastsblish an anchor and 3-1 is our go to haul. If we need to lighten the haul we would add a 4-1 to the 3-1 with prusiks. The 3-1 would capture and give us the ability to reset the 4-1. I don't know how you can say this video would get somebody hurt. Nobody should take any YT video and think they are a professional. The only difference between this video and others is they show the pulley setup vertices lifting a brick, while this video is laid on the ground.
Joe, I did not mean to imply that this setup would get someone hurt.
And I agree that folks shouldn't learn their rescue skills only from internet videos. I just meant that someone unfamiliar with MA systems will not understand the correction or its implications.
And absolutely, it is much better to show the setup outside on the ground as you did rather than in a garage or on a white board as many YT videos do.
I don't understand the prusik on the load, isn't the prusik rope holding all the load? Wouldn't it makes sense to hook the actual rope to the caribiner, the rope is stronger than the prusik? I am a bit confused.
Thad Sipple the Prusik is a rope grab and it allows you to slide in either direction to grab more rope. As your pulley pulls uphill you will run out of room and have to reset the system and the Prusik is just one way to grab more rope. The Prusik is ahead of your pulley grabbing, while your mechanical advantage is behind doing the work.
I get that, I meant at the end of your system the Prusik was hooked from them main "load" rope to the pulley, in that instance, the prusik was carrying the entire load and if the prusik slipped the load rope would slide thru to the knot. Unless I saw it wrong. I am stilling learning all this. Thanks for the video too.
+Thad Sipple I see what your saying. If you were doing a small haul you could use a carabiner if you want but the way I set it up is for a large haul. This is used to haul someone up a hill. If they repel over the edge they do it with a single rope and when they get to their destination they tie off. Then the haul team will set this up to haul them back up. You would use a rope grab or prusiks to attached the the repel line to bring them up. Having a rope grab will allow you to reset the system. After you pull and pull you will run out of room and you will need to reset. When you reset you extend the system to gain more ground. If you were using this in your garage you could use a carabiner or even just a knot. You don't need to haul 300-400feet
Awesome thank you for your response, I use pulleys to pull my Subaru out of the snow and mud, whenI am by myself and amazed at what can be pulled, if it is too hard just add another pulley.
I honestly don't understand that prusik on the load rope either, even after the explanation. To move the prusik along the load rope something else will need to take the load temporarily, or the rope will need to be under zero load, in which case you might as well have "figure-eighted" the load rope at a suitable position before hooking directly to a carabiner?
great infos!
My only question is the location of your load capture device for reset. Yes, your pull rope is slacked but the rest of the system is still under tension making reset impossible. I suggest relocating the capture device to the load line and the other 2-1 in the system, or completely setting up a capture system separate from the 4-1 piggy back.
I noted that I description. Pulley is attached by rope grab to main/belay and your capture would be on those ropes. Good catch
Aren't you talking about a block and tackle?
Great info, thanks!
dope ass video
All this with gloves on.
what is it with you and making videos about pulley systemsand not having the gear (the subject, the content). Great info, and you're doing everything right, but pulley videos should have a pulley where needed, not biners. Keep them coming...
Sorry. I think the info is important and just because I'm one pulley short shouldn't stop me from making a video and share info. Lots of climbers use nothing more than a caribiner. I figured most would get the point and understand what I was saying. It isn't idea because it creates added fiction but still possible. I climb on my own so my gear isn't as extensive as our fire department gear. I'm the lieutenant of the Fire department and it's hard to take department gear to make a video on my own time. Thanks for watching
JOE MANIERY I get it. I do (use to do) tower work so we used pulley systems constantly. As I stated, still good info,but somewhere there is someone watching these to learn for the first time before they go and do it themselves.
No problem with you not having everything, I don't either, I also don't make videos, no intentionof starting, but a video about pulley setup, in my opinion, should use a pulley at each pivot.
I like your video, just wishing ALL the parts were there.
Again,keep them coming.
you are always out of pulleys, please be more organize,, Please do a 9-1,, show the lay out of the rope more slowly ,, thanks
Can anyone make an outdoor video where I don't spend 30-40% of the time listening to their runny snot? I'm grateful for the material, but I've had to bail on videos before bec. all I hear is snot, snot, snot.