WR Case still sucks
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- Looks like Case still can’t figure out how they used to make knives. GAPS, BLADE WOBBLE, QUALITY CONTROL is M.I.A.!!!
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When you see this, you have to call them out so they DON’T go out of business. If they let their quality slide, they will go out of business!
After 2yrs. of this video being made Case QC still sucks. My most recent sodbuster jr. purchases were very alarming to me. Why are Case knives being sold with warped blades? Why are $65.00 Case knives sold with gaps? No more business from me. Unacceptable!
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It’s really heartbreaking to be so excited about ordering a beloved Case and then getting the issues you mentioned. I hope they can get it together and be what they once were.
Agreed. I love Case, hell I honestly think we all do or at least WANT to love em. I and most (if not all) slipjoint fans want to see Case be successful and make a product that matches their pricing.
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I see Schatt and Morgan are coming back, and they'll be made in Winchester, Ohio. Case is going to have double trouble if they don't get their act together. I think all of us like Case and want them to succeed. Hoping they have the wisdom to make the changes that need to be made.
Dude, I’m excited about the new Schatts!
@@slipjointguy Me, too. Sounds like the new owner knows the quality is going to have to be top notch. Very promising...
Wow! When is that happening?
I’m a Case guy but you’re telling the truth. I’ve gotten a couple of duds in the last four or five case knives I’ve bought.
I just sent one back yesterday. One of the liners and scales was about a 1/8” higher than the other side.
I’m also waiting for one of my sodbuster to come back from Case because of a bad blade grind. The tip was rounded over.
Honestly I have around 50 pocket knives about 10 of them are rough riders not one of them came to me in less condition than a case at its best and that’s the truth
In my Case it's the other way around and that's the truth.I think it's like a lottery.Just my opinion.I live in Europe and Case knives are expensive over here but GEC are way out of my league and Rough Riders like i said i don't have a single good knife(zero out of ten) and i'm not nitpicking like some people do.Not Slipjoint Guy his Case is just awful.Quality control Guy(girl) must have been asleep
Hot take here: I would pay more for a Rough Ryder than I would for a Case (not that I'd pay $70 for a Rough Ryder). Every single Case I own came to me duller than a ball peen hammer, and RR has really stepped up their game in the past couple years. Not keen on paying $50 extra for a little "USA" stamp on the tang
@Jay M negative ghost rider, of course i use the carbon steel versions, and they are good. And fit n finish has been improved. They are cheap but not junk per a actual user. And I am a knife junkie that likes my USA made knives, 70% of my collection is premium US made knives, and my collection is in the hundreds
I don't like supporting communists countries. No rough riders for me!
You prefer buying from our biggest enemy? What The Heck!
Bought a trapper from shepherd hills (an official case dealer) had to pay shipping to send to case just for them to fix their mistake, the Spey blade was bent and a bolster was damaged. How does that pass QC from an American company. Pictures on my page
I collect case knives and I feel your pain. I have returned knives 2 or 3 times on occasion. Luckily I have a case certified dealer 5 min. From my house. The owner is very nice as far as me picking through his stuff looking for a good one. I can live with a small gap but not blade wobble. Thanks for posting these videos, they may help someone avoid some grief. Hopefully, case will not fall to the level of buck.
Awesome comment. Always support my local dealer when i can! Thanks for watching!
Been noticing this also with the newer models, fix the quality and workmanship Case! I will not be purchasing anymore newer ones unless quality control is fixed.
Damn, that looks like the $95 Seahorse limited I bought about 6 months ago. Returned it immediately for full refund, luckily I found a better one for $70 shipped to door (2017 Pocket worn harvest bone) on eBay where it had 12 pics from every angle.
I agree, they must be hiring people with no experience. It's hard to get good help nowadays🤦
I was planning to do a video of a sweet rare 2019 Case Barlow tomorrow.😁
Take Care, Hopefully they can right the ship soon.
It’s a shame bruh! They can do better, they know it. And for the price we can do better too (gec) (rough ryder) (boker) (otter messer)
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Unacceptable Quality Control. Good video.
Thank you sir!
@@slipjointguy and really hoping your injury heals up.
Here in Canada Grohmann knives sells 2nd's at a discount stamped with a 'S' or something else. If during their quality control inspection they find the knife that is not up to spec they simply stamp it and sell it as a second and everybody is happy. I'm sure some people who cannot afford a case knife would not mind to get a case knife that has a small defect but at a reduced price.
I did exactly that when I got my last order of Barlows last year. (I didn’t stamp then though)
Sold them at a discount to get rid of them.
Also, if Case finds out they will remove you from their dealer network because (and I quote) “Case DOES NOT make factory seconds and selling them as such is against MAP pricing”
That’s why I just stopped selling Case.
Glad I watched this before placing an order!
That's one of the worst ones that I've ever seen. I won't buy a Case sight unseen anymore. GEC has their own issues. Good luck actually purchasing one of those new #74s. I'm done with chasing their stupid drops. Look forward to having Schatt & Morgan as an option. Hoping for quality knives at fair prices that you can actually purchase.
I’m very excited for new Schatts as well. Looking very forward getting my hands on one when they come out!
The disappointment people have with Case, along with the absurd demand for GEC shows just how much people want good traditional knives.
I have two Case knives and Their like jewelry, I got one which is a 2007 Celtic edition I got it from somebody in the Knife community, it’s the most rarest one I’ve ever seen it’s a canoe you could look online the secondary market you’ll find all the other patterns that they made you can’t find a canoe I was looking to trade it off
I didnt even know schatt and morgan closed. I used to have a favorite design from them, I lost it not too long ago so now that stings a little extra.
Yes unfortunately they shutdown in January of 2018. Schatt was purchased and will be producing new knives in 2021 in Winchester Ohio. Queen and Queen City was purchased by Smokey mountain, some are made in China, some by bear & son.
i got a patriot kirinite russlock just today has identical gapping issue…no blade play tho sucks because its so beautiful
It’s funny how the older ones never had this issue. Yet, they can’t seem to fix this now, with all the technology and money they have. Quantity over quality
I’m a case guy and I have about 30 of them and haven’t had a problem with any of them. I’ve bought a few new ones straight off their website and they’ve all been great. My blue bone trapper was the only exception, the logo on the handle fell out but I just gorilla glued it back in and haven’t had a problem with it since.
With the exception of the original, I very much, really really, dislike gorilla glue...
I sent a knife back to Case to fix some blade wobble. It had visible side to side play when open. They fixed the blade play, but the blade would no longer snap closed. It would close about 3/4 of the way and then I have to push it down the rest of the way closed. Emailed them multiple times and they never responded. Case service was a disappointment. New Case knives are hit or miss. Just bought a medium and large yellow stockman. Medium was good, large has blade play on all blades.
Case Knives: Brining you Rough Ryder craftsmanship at GEC prizes! lol great marketing
New slogan for next year maybe? Lol
Rough ryder has better craftsmanship 🤣 but your right could be there slogan lol
A knife I’m going to use at work don’t care about gaps and blade wobble but for what u pay for a case it better be dame near perfect
I think Case knives are better these days despite the labor issues of October '21. My new Case stockman is as good as any Rough Rider I have but the finish is a bit better.
I don't know who you get your Case knives from but I have absolutely no problems with there knives
Well done, thank you!
Thanks
It wouldn’t bother me as much if their stuff was around $20-30 but they are charging premium prices for this stuff.
That's very unacceptable! It's my favorite brand but I've heard case has fallen the last few years. I want a new case but I don't want one with a blade that moves like that.
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Just had a look at one of my Case trappers which has a very slight gap. It appears to me that the problem is that the brass liner material is warped at assembly, which would go back to stamping out the liners from the roll of material without adequate (or any) per-straightening. Either that or the punch is out of spec creating liners that are too long between the fastening holes.
Don't buy Amazon shit, I've never seen anything like you describe from Case, but I buy directly from the flagship store
I purchased direct from cases distributor when I owned my business. Not amazon.
Thanks for the heads up 😊
I like the Russ lock looks and have thought about getting one. My wife picked me up a case rosewood hunter as a gift and I actually expected something to be up with it but looks really good I use case and bookers just as users so I'm not big on the gap blade play would be an issue
Thank you,someone needs to call case out.buying them over here is of my things to do.and has been for quite a time atb paddy
Thanks Paddy!!
@@ericpitre4031 I don’t make videos per ultimatum. Bye Felicia
I collect slip joints, mostly rough Ryder and vintage American. Only have a few case, and they’re nice cuz they’re old. Gapping never bothered me much, but for the price, it’s gotta be near perfect. Having said that, the gaps on your Russ lock are terrible. I won’t buy a new case unless it’s in person which is rare. The blade wobble is my pet peeve, especially the amount your girls has. I mostly stay away from case cuz they’re too collectible and that makes them more expensive. The vintage shrade, Kabar, Queen, etc, to me, are just as nice if not nicer than most case knives they make nowadays. GEC are way too hard to get, love B Howard’s stuff from Queen, but I’m not playing the games ppl play trying to get a GEC. This video is a few years old, so I think that GEC that you got for $80, is probably over $200 now. lol
Now, in May of 2021, I went to my knife wholesaler to pick up knives for my business. Half of the Case knives I wanted are backordered due to Case not being able to produce enough. Often I take knives out of the box and there is absolutely no spring.
Sad to see this. I’ve owned tons of Case knives and never had a bad one personally. I haven’t bought a new one in north of 2 years though
I ordered 3 pocket hunters. I hope they don’t have these issues.
I’ll be making a video soon about another experience I had with Case and their “lifetime” warranty. It’s very limited and their customer service is less than desirable.
Case are EXCELLENT knives! Contact Case and they will take care of the issue?
I’ve bought 8 in the last 2 years and they were all fine.
Another reviewer compared modern Bear & Sons to Rough Rider knives of the "same model" (it was a bird & trout knife). The Bear and Sons were advertised as made in the U.S. and the Rough Rider were made in China. The quality of the Bear& Sons was absolutely terrible, especially when compared to the Rough Rider...something is happening to U.S. quality!
It’s the lack of “givashit” no one seems to have any of it now a days. I was going to have bear & son make a limited run of barlows for us. It would have been unique and cool. I purchased a Barlow and examined it, it made a Case look like a GEC and a GEC look like a custom. Very very poor quality. And here’s a fun fact that makes a little since, the owner of bear & son was once high up in WR Case company as the (now) bear and son plant was a sister Case manufacturing facility 😆😆
@@slipjointguy It's 2023 and Bear and Son still turn out substandard junk..honestly don't know how they stay in business ..won't buy anything from Case again until they establish an improved track record. Your correct , we are living with the 'dont-give--a-shit' generation that resents having to work for a living and do less than minimum effort every day. Our country is rapidly circling the drain.
I had the same problem on the Burnt Amber Bone Tribal Lock....When I received it by Sooner State Knive works. It look like a BIG FAT TRUCK RAN OVER IT..LOL Really Disappointed, But Hey they are really getting Better from what I have seen and told....
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I’m looking at buying my first case knife, specifically the pocket hunter which is a 2020 exclusive as it would come in handy in work and isn’t a “scary” knife as you’re not allowed carry them here without good reason.
I’m based in Ireland so they’re expensive to get here and the dealer is based in Germany. It’s €80 which is like $95.
I’m a bit freaked out that I could buy that knife at such a high-markup only to have it with a gap such as this.
Reckon I should steer clear?? Cheers!
If you can be sure to have free returns then I’d say give it a go. But if there isn’t free returns or reasonable return rate I’d steer clear. You have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a turd.
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@@slipjointguy thanks for the reply!! By pure chance I’ve just discovered a German brand called Robert Klaas who do a mini stockman blade in both stag horn and in snake wood finishes. They come in slightly cheaper than the price being offered to me for Case knives and I can’t seem to find any complaints about their finishing.
I’ll do some more digging before I order anyways. It’s a bit of a pain being located in Ireland for this sort of thing! Limits options hugely and then even when options present themselves, they usually end up costing a lot more than they should!!
@@rosscollie5237 I believe otter messer is easy to get in Ireland, check them out if they have anything you like. I’ve haven’t seen a bad one yet. Only thing I’ve seen with otter is they can be very tight and stiff opening and closing when new.
Amazing! I will check them out. I picked up a small Robert Klaas which arrived today and so far it’s fantastic. Snakewood handle and really nice finishing. Zero blade play and the quality seems top notch! Otter Messer sound great. Gonna pick one up as my next, I imagine!
I still love my case's. I'll never order a knife from their website again. Any case's I buy I purchase from a local store that let's me QC them before I buy. And I'm seeing a lot of QC issued.
That's the best thing to do.
well this put me off case knives completely.
the supposed high quality standard is the main point of attraction,
and this doesn't even meet chinese mass produced mustard.
honestly, this could be the end for case.
these kinds of practices hurt a brand at it's very core and squanders a reputation
that took decades of consistent quality to achieve.
The past 2 years, i haven't bought a Case that didnt have a bunch of problems. My last one was a Case SodBuster Jr with Chestnut Jigged bone and a CV blade. Crazy gaps, the blade had a bow in it, a ton of blade wobble, and the bevels were all over the place, you couldnt cut or stab anything with this knife. I fixed the thing but its amazing they let this garbage pass qc. Its amazing to me that Case thinks they're putting out a better product than they ever have.
The whole company is full of people who just dont give a crap and it makes me not want to support this company.
I bought a Pocket Hunter and two Sodbuster Jr's from Case and they are great knives.On the other hand i have never received a Rough Rider without serious issues,the knives that people call great value for money.I think it's a lottery with Case and Rough Rider
Agreed. Very much like a lottery. And you’ve been winning from the sound of it 😄
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I want to cuss you for talking shit about Case, but I know you're right 😂
I’m sorry dude. That’s horrible man 😔
I have a BIG problem with this video. First, and most important, I have purchased about a dozen Case knives, and have never experienced the issues documented in this video. Second, Case is an OLD company. That means one specimen might have a problem. Knife companies come and go. It's up to YOU, the buyer, to discern whether a knife is worth investing in. Don't be a fool; but under no circumstances should you listen to don't listen this guy. He has an issue.
I was a case dealer, I purchased hundreds of case knives with each order. After many returns I started inspecting the knives. Out of the shipments I discovered about 1/3 of the knives to have returnable faults. I have a whole 3 part series on this where I even called wr case to try to understand why the quality went down.
Hey James case knives have issues yes Gec knives you can't hardly buy for under 200 bucks from Ebay. Case step your game up.
I can't fault you for your observations & dislikes with this type of performance out of Bradford , PA. . They are held up as an icon of American manufacturing & should be judged as such . We consumers & collectors of the buy American mentality , need to put them on notice to either step up or loose market share at the retail level with us !!!
I have watch the touring of Case Fatory and there is No seam cleaning of there Knives....? Maybe ? Most likely not.....anyways I personally don't collect the Case Rust lock....
If I'm buying a knife from a name like case then I expect it to be nice and tight. Not even my beaters are that bad but buck does decent work for the price.
shouldn't say case sucks , if i get a defective knife from them i will send it back and they'll make it right , i' sent case knifes back that have broken and they've sent me new ones back to replace my broken knives and as far as GEC i'e seen them with gaps in them also but everybody acts like it's not a big deal when it comes to the great GEC which is a great knife but it should be when they only put out so many knives not nearly as many as case but i don't think case deserves to be picked on by GEC collectors , to each his own but i have went back and checked my case knives since you've brought this up but my small collection is fine , the only thing i like better about GEC is the half stop in the blades i wish case would make all there knives half stop and a little heavier spring for walk n talk
Nothing but scrap metal = junk
I Agree with what your going Through.... However don't lose your Faith in CASE...I have paid alot for good Quality CASE Knives ... Best thing to know is going to a good Quality Knive store to Cherry Pick your Knives......
This is all valid, but I wonder why Amazon did not receive a fair share of the blame as well. You did say, you can of course return it to Amazon, but they'll just 'rinse and repeat' and send it to the next guy. That's pretty shady, too. Also, you want Case to give-a-hoot, but whose responsibility were these knives while at Amazon's facility? Nobody's of course, no human's anyway. Even if there were a human, they wouldn't even be close to having any time or authority to affect anything. So, if we want people to have some pride in what they're selling, Amazon is kinda the antithesis to that.
i bought three slimline trappers from them every single one of them the blade rubbed against the liner also out of the three 2 had horrible blade play all three had gaps on handle between the scales abd everywhere where a gap could be and one didnt even use the right bolsters and these where the 70 dollar ones
This all comes down to QC.
Well I would have to ask the question to somebody if you hadn't had any luck with Case Knives or any other knife why do you continue to buy them..................
I didn’t buy it..........
But if anyone wanted a Case, and had bad luck with quality, I’d advise buying from someone who did free returns. So you have little to no risk.
Those gaps look like the Grand Canyon. I know Case could easily do better. Really sad 😞
gaps don't bother me on $10 knives, but on anything over $50 it needs to be right, I bought a case barlow last year that had a gap between the bolster and scale that you could fit a folded business card into.. Case has really gone down hill.
I collect case and am UK based and frankly will not buy anything modern case knife. There are gaps, blade wobble and the edge grinds are terrible. I can buy a rough rider for a third of the price which is made much better. Since when did
@9:24 the tang is rounded too , not squared, due to over aggressive polishing . what if Frost had bought Case instead of Parker? would Frost have sold off the museum ?
If the knife was purchased from Amazon likely it's a second.
Case sells their seconds to other sellers.
Switched to boker traditionals and rough Ryder’s. I just bought a swell center jack and I’m nervous it’s gonna be a piece of shit like the rest of their knives
Case knives have garbage steel and quality control, gec knives are way too expensive and they never make enough of them, rough Ryder's are a great deal but have a sordid history with quality control, and otter knives are a great price with adequate steel combined with great quality control.
The American way, do whatever you can get away with. Kind of sad that for 1/5 of the Case price you can get a superior China made pocketknife.
A company that is going down the Schrade Road? Obviously, being made by staff who now don't give a s*** ! What high price crap they churn out?
Man, those gaps and blade wobble are annoying. Gaps aside, how do you feel about the liner lock when opened. Does it create a hot spot? It seems like it would get in the way of my pointer finger during use. Just curious about that pattern.
I’ve never experienced an issue with the lock unlocking or being in the way while using the russlock. I really do love the pattern.
@@slipjointguy Good to know. Thanks for the info. I like how they look, so I'll probably risk it and try to get one at some point. Hopefully, I'll get a good one. (knocks on wood)
Would not buy case with out looking it over in person…
Truly disappointing! There is a reason that Case only has 45,000 followers on Facebook and such... not good. Really sad to see Case going that way
I will not buy a case unless I buy it from a brick and mortar and physically inspect myself. RR I will buy online.
All the knives you have on that table together, are not worth $70.00
I must be really lucky, I've bought 6 Case knives in the past year and none of them have exhibited any of these issues or any of the issues your past videos on Case. That being said, that blue one is terrible!
Where u buying them from?
@@slipjointguy Different places, mostly SMKW.com. One from Tractor Supply and one from Ebay.
@@midwestfisherman you’re lucky then. I’ve gotten burned from from both smkw and ebay.
Wow !! Thanks for the warning. We are seeing American pride in Craftsmanship disappearing. Perhaps the Case Company will soon follow.
Bout time you did an update on this one. Looks like you're buying nothing but $50 chinese made or $300 US made now.
Every time I stop at a cabela’s, or bass pro I look at these from time to time. Still have gaps, and thin blade steel. I made a video reply.
This will probably be unpopular but that’s ok. I don’t find anything appealing with case knives these days. They look and feel cheap to me. I keep trying to handle them in shops and it’s a disappointment every single time. Maybe GEC has spoiled me in the last decade.
That’s crazy I just bought a case stockman and it’s perfect.
Good. Usually about 1/3rd of new production is junk now.
@@slipjointguy mine was made in 2017 so I don’t know if that would mean anything.
@@slipjointguy that applies to everything made now from knives up to cars.companies have no pride in workmanship anymore....SAD
Hey James I just got my 1st copperlock in orange pocket worn bone. I gotta say its perfect no gaps or blade wobble. I also got a swayback jack in chestnut bone and its perfect also. Idk if its bc tony Bose has something to do with designing them idk but they are quality and I'm super happy with them and I bought them from smkw. Now I also have a case peanut on the way for my brothers bday so hopefully it's good quality.
Awesome man! They’re not always bad. I have a lot of good ones too. Happy to hear it! Hope that peanut is good too👍🏻👍🏻 thanks for watching
Well, if being handmade is the problem, Tony Bose is screwed, lol. So are many other custom knifemakers.
you didn’t know? Tony died a few months ago.
I dont own any case and never will. I've gotten a few turds in a box before and sent them back.
The quality is gone.
Man u can c it wobble.
You have to be careful who you buy from. Amazon is not much different than Ebay. You can use Deadwood Knives or a reputable company through Amazon, but you don’t save any money. Deadwood has free shipping. Buy directly from a reputable dealer.
I was a reputable Case dealer for 4 years, and this is why I quit selling Case in 2019. It’s not a dealer issue, it’s WR Case’s lack of QC
And yes, I’d pick a reputable dealer that has free return shipping, I agree.
I ordered a Stockman from Deadwood, should be here Thursday. I’ll let you know if there are any gaps or blade wobble. I ordered this knife before finding this channel.
NWow thats not right thats alot of money for them to send you a knife like that back in the days they use to make stuffs with pride and have a good reputation now they dont care they only care to make money i dont think all now cases are junks just they do let knife like that to end on peoples hands and i dont think thats right i have a case knife from 1972 and i also have a 2002 they both are well made but the one from 1972 has a unique walk and talk and nothing like this new ones like with everything thats made now and day nothing is better made than the stuffs from back then
$20 kershaw Culpepper is finished better than this hot garbage
With Covid-19 could have forced workers that were close to retirement to retire and were replaced with craftsmen that have not finished there apprenticeship, and under skilled workers is what there working with.
Nope. Ongoing Issues since 2018, covid is no excuse
@@slipjointguy Your right no excuse. question ? Do you think pocket worn series of knifes could have been from over aggressive buffing from less skilled employees
@@michaelgriggi1784 no, and only because it’s a run with a unique bone color, with a repeated result of the worn look. Now, if they made runs that had the same color bone but in “pocket worn” then I would think so. But no, honestly think they plan them to be pocket worn.
I may stop buying from case tbh, I got burnt pretty bad from a Barlow. /:
Ruff riders are junk. Would never admit to owning one. Own dozen or so cases and all are superior to ruff Rider.
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Lol funny. Dude it’s sad. Case can do better, they DID better but now they just don’t care.
Hecka cringe
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