I don't consider the oxo a knot. If a crew member walks by and accidently kicks the bitter end, it could loosen the last "o". Then the whole thing fails to hold. Thanks for offering an alternative and thanks for the great instruction on the "correct" cleat hitch. I'll go with Kim.
I actually do the OXO and then put a locking hitch in at the end because I agree with your thoughts on someone dislodging the bitter end. So the Kim method is actually an OXO with a locking hitch. Hehehehe. Thanks for commenting. K.
That is the system that the British RYA schools use. There are a variety of ways to do things on a boat...it's best to pick the one that resonates best with you and then use it ;) Thanks for commenting. S.
Finally. Someone that attaches a line to a cleat the proper, easy, and safe way. I hate the twist "lock" that so many people use. Except I wrap 2 Xs or as I call then Figure 8s then a round turn to finish off.
I like the hybrid - “O X Hitch”. It’s a cleat hitch but the first loop is a full “O”. And the ending hitch (instead of the last O of the O X O) keeps it secured. Yeah, I’ve heard that going around in a full O can cause the line to bind on itself under that first (far) horn, but it really depends on load, line diameter and horn size. In many years of recreational boating (not large commercial vessels), and well matched line/horn sizes, I’ve never had it bind nor come loose at the wrong time. That includes under some nasty conditions. But hey, if someone has something else that has been working well, then excellent! I enjoy being a life-long student and maintaining “an empty cup”. Cheers!
I tend to use that a lot for temp mooring , fueling ,running up to the parking lot only gonna be there for a day or so etc.... I use a full turn with the figure 8 hitch at home and sometimes the extra O,,,, I have a permanent slip . my harbor can get 2 and 3 foot swells and hurricane force winds in the winter. so I also have rubber snubbers on the front and rear lines. Ice can be a problem in the winter with my way, may have to pound on it with a fish bat to break it.
I think when tying onto cleats it all depends on the material and size of line you use. The proper way is to determine these factors before you make fast. Thanks for sharing to it's a method I have never seen as well and it's one I will use to
The OXO method is taugth by RYA. I agree that anything on a boat depends on a variety of factor and common sense has to applied. Thanks for commenting :) Kim
One thing to note about the cleat hitch over the oxo. If you have small bollards ( like on smaller boats ) the OXO uses a lot of the bollard. Which limits your ability to add other lines to the same bollard. So in my case I use both depending on if I need to add other lines to the bollard
Very good point! It's good to know both in addition to a bowline because you might have to use one of three knots when it comes to cleats or bollards. Thanks for that Dave. Kim
If you use OXO with braid on braid rope on choppy water it can come undone. We have had more than one instance when this has happened and boats have escaped!. Modern materilal Braid on braid can be slippery and may not hold. The main reason the locked cleat hitch becomes difficult to undo is when old kemp style rope is used, which expands when wet. OXO is just not worth the risk.
I was taught the 0 X method but not the second O. Ours was finished with a lock on one or both horns.Just like yours the cleat takes the strain not the horns.
@@dutchglobetrotter4513 I think I am first from Melbourne Australia unless someone did it at the same time at in Melbourne Australia at the same time. LOL
You can tell a lot about a persons seamanship skills by the way they tie a line off. People on here who think a cleat hitch is the right way obviously haven't been on a boat big enough or had to deal with a line that has been under serious load.
Listen clown I've owned my yachts for over 40 yrs and been through multiple storms and hurricaines. It'll be a cold day in hell before I'll use an OXO under ANY circumstances. The cleat hitch is THE BEST way to tie up. PERIOD. You can tell a lot about peoples yachting experience by the stupid comments that they post.
No he's doing a cleat hitch exactly as it's supposed to be done. If clowns like you want to "tie a-lot" then go right ahead but me and my crew will be laughing at your knot as we walk down the pier.
RNLI switched to oxo after extensive testing, and finding they survive even hurricanes without chafing like the cleat hitch. and they're safer quicker, easier, single handed, will never bind up, and can be released turn by turn under extreme load.
@@licencetoswill This is a very interesting information, would it be possible to find more details on extensive testing and its conclusions somewhere online?
The cleat hitch should ALWAYS be used. Just because you don't understand how to tie one doesn't mean that other people shouldn't use it. I would never and will never use the OXO under ANY circumstances.
The way I feel about most things, not just sailing, is that there are multiple ways to do things. For seven years I've been doing my OXO with a locking hitch or just an OXO (in the video Simon implied I do the normal cleat hitch but that's actually not true). We've never had an issue. Never has it locked on where we couldn't get off nor has it slipped. So for me the 'right' way is the one that works best for me. But considering this is an area where you can express your opinion go for it - explain what is right :) Smiles, K.
I don't consider the oxo a knot. If a crew member walks by and accidently kicks the bitter end, it could loosen the last "o". Then the whole thing fails to hold. Thanks for offering an alternative and thanks for the great instruction on the "correct" cleat hitch. I'll go with Kim.
I actually do the OXO and then put a locking hitch in at the end because I agree with your thoughts on someone dislodging the bitter end. So the Kim method is actually an OXO with a locking hitch. Hehehehe. Thanks for commenting. K.
I think I’ll try the OXO for temporary locking when docking while still have to adjust the lengths.
that's very good OXO, I have never seen that. I think I will do that from now on, thank you.
That is the system that the British RYA schools use. There are a variety of ways to do things on a boat...it's best to pick the one that resonates best with you and then use it ;) Thanks for commenting. S.
Finally. Someone that attaches a line to a cleat the proper, easy, and safe way. I hate the twist "lock" that so many people use. Except I wrap 2 Xs or as I call then Figure 8s then a round turn to finish off.
There is quite a bit of polarity around tying a line to a cleat! I don't like the lock, either. Sim
I like the hybrid - “O X Hitch”.
It’s a cleat hitch but the first loop is a full “O”. And the ending hitch (instead of the last O of the O X O) keeps it secured. Yeah, I’ve heard that going around in a full O can cause the line to bind on itself under that first (far) horn, but it really depends on load, line diameter and horn size. In many years of recreational boating (not large commercial vessels), and well matched line/horn sizes, I’ve never had it bind nor come loose at the wrong time. That includes under some nasty conditions. But hey, if someone has something else that has been working well, then excellent! I enjoy being a life-long student and maintaining “an empty cup”. Cheers!
Thank you, good job explaining ⛵🏖
Thank you Tangaroa II ;) Big smiles, K.
Great video! Thanks guys for taking the time to show people different ways to do things. I really appreciate it!
And thank you, Ryan, for watching ;) K.
Thanks for sharing but I am sticking with Kim's way!
Woo woo! Thanks James, K.
Nice job, gotta love knot videos.
I know Jon...there's something about knots :) Smiles, K.
As usual, your wife is right!
Yep! K.
I tend to use that a lot for temp mooring , fueling ,running up to the parking lot only gonna be there for a day or so etc....
I use a full turn with the figure 8 hitch at home and sometimes the extra O,,,, I have a permanent slip .
my harbor can get 2 and 3 foot swells and hurricane force winds in the winter.
so I also have rubber snubbers on the front and rear lines.
Ice can be a problem in the winter with my way, may have to pound on it with a fish bat to break it.
Thank you for the comments. Good stuff ;)
Awesone video. Thanks for sharing
Thank you Glenn ;) K.
I think when tying onto cleats it all depends on the material and size of line you use. The proper way is to determine these factors before you make fast. Thanks for sharing to it's a method I have never seen as well and it's one I will use to
The OXO method is taugth by RYA. I agree that anything on a boat depends on a variety of factor and common sense has to applied. Thanks for commenting :) Kim
Nicely explained !
Thank you Jan ;)
One thing to note about the cleat hitch over the oxo. If you have small bollards ( like on smaller boats ) the OXO uses a lot of the bollard. Which limits your ability to add other lines to the same bollard. So in my case I use both depending on if I need to add other lines to the bollard
Very good point! It's good to know both in addition to a bowline because you might have to use one of three knots when it comes to cleats or bollards. Thanks for that Dave. Kim
If you use OXO with braid on braid rope on choppy water it can come undone. We have had more than one instance when this has happened and boats have escaped!. Modern materilal Braid on braid can be slippery and may not hold. The main reason the locked cleat hitch becomes difficult to undo is when old kemp style rope is used, which expands when wet. OXO is just not worth the risk.
Good to know David :) Kim
He will be looking for his boat one day. At least Kim has a clue.
Nicely done 😊
Thank you David ;)
One thing in favor of the OXO method is that it is super easy to teach to casual/newbie crew. The cleat hitch seems to require some practice.
Yeah...I totally agree. We teach OXO because it's just so easy. Smiles, K.
the type of knot depends on the size of the duck on the pier and the diameter of the mooring line - the best option is O-X-O
I was taught the 0 X method but not the second O. Ours was finished with a lock on one or both horns.Just like yours the cleat takes the strain not the horns.
Whatever works - eh?! Smiles, K.
First from Melbourne Australia
Nahh don't think so.
@@dutchglobetrotter4513 I think I am first from Melbourne Australia unless someone did it at the same time at in Melbourne Australia at the same time. LOL
Well done Mark!
I don´t want to be "that Guy" but.....a line is under tension not pressure ;-) Thanks for sharing great info
Thanks for that...hopefully most people will understand what we meant. Smiles, Kim
what boat is this?????
Oyster 56’
@@Sailingbriticanshe’s beautiful
You can tell a lot about a persons seamanship skills by the way they tie a line off. People on here who think a cleat hitch is the right way obviously haven't been on a boat big enough or had to deal with a line that has been under serious load.
Good to know Jeff. Thanks.
Listen clown I've owned my yachts for over 40 yrs and been through multiple storms and hurricaines. It'll be a cold day in hell before I'll use an OXO under ANY circumstances. The cleat hitch is THE BEST way to tie up. PERIOD. You can tell a lot about peoples yachting experience by the stupid comments that they post.
You are doing a half cleat hitch ( for lunch ties) not a full cleat hitch which will not slip.
Thanks for letting us know Martin. K.
No he's doing a cleat hitch exactly as it's supposed to be done. If clowns like you want to "tie a-lot" then go right ahead but me and my crew will be laughing at your knot as we walk down the pier.
First South Australia
That is only because you guys live in the future.
@@dutchglobetrotter4513 only because you live in the past . LOL
@@CaptMarkSVAlcina I can't help the way the earth spins.
@@dutchglobetrotter4513 LOL, well you can move to my county Australian
Well done SV Lola Louise ;)
Cleat Hitch is 1000 times better than OXO for more safety under load it can be easily doubled no OXO for me 😊
Sounds like know what you like Adil! Thank you for commenting :)
RNLI switched to oxo after extensive testing, and finding they survive even hurricanes without chafing like the cleat hitch. and they're safer quicker, easier, single handed, will never bind up, and can be released turn by turn under extreme load.
@@licencetoswill This is a very interesting information, would it be possible to find more details on extensive testing and its conclusions somewhere online?
Basic Naval training day 1. O X O every time….
It seems to be a nationally thing - some countries do cleat hitch and other countries the OXO. Thanks for commenting Fred. K.
Basic recreational boating knot. Cleat hitch EVERY time. OXO is garbage.
Sorry I'll stay with the cleat hitch. That's what real boaters use.
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Thank you J.....SK
@@Sailingbritican anytime 🥳
The first method should never be used. Your oxo method is the only way and you don't need to finish it with a hitch over a cleat horn.
Thanks John. Smiles, K.
The cleat hitch should ALWAYS be used. Just because you don't understand how to tie one doesn't mean that other people shouldn't use it. I would never and will never use the OXO under ANY circumstances.
You’re wrong.
Apologies for the blunt comment. I should have said, ‘With all due respect, I kindly disagree.’
The way I feel about most things, not just sailing, is that there are multiple ways to do things. For seven years I've been doing my OXO with a locking hitch or just an OXO (in the video Simon implied I do the normal cleat hitch but that's actually not true). We've never had an issue. Never has it locked on where we couldn't get off nor has it slipped. So for me the 'right' way is the one that works best for me. But considering this is an area where you can express your opinion go for it - explain what is right :) Smiles, K.