Okay? Your argument is only that she came in 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th place in the men's division? Sir she is the GOAT at this moment because she scored more points. What you ought to be asking is what time must a man now run to take back our crown from that beautiful woman.
@@MrLelle You are right. That was what I inferred. He may not have been saying that a male pacer kept up with her the whole way. I heard "He could have placed" and went wild. Thanks
@@josedelnegro46Here is the thing man. I don't think you can compare men and women like that and call her the goat of all sexes based on how much she improved a time. This is because there are a lot more men training for the marathon whoch means that the top 10 men are a lot more talented than the top 10 women this means that it is a lot more likely that there will be a female star who improves the record by a crazy amount because she may be competing with people that are not as talented as the males. And I dont say this because I am sexist. It is a general principle that I follow in all sports. I think that lionel messi is certainly a lot better than kipchoge at his respective sport lionel messi is CERTAINLY equivalent to a sub 2 hour marathon purely by statistics. It is just way harder to become the worlds best football player than the worlds best floorball player. And I am swedish and love floorball. Same thing with duplantis. What he is doing is amazing and he competes for my country. But the more he breaks the world record the more it shows that pole vaulting is such a small sport and most previous pole vaulters weren't that talented compared to the top 10 sprinters in history. Obviously it is not entirely true because there might be some advancements in technique that makes mondo perform a lot better but I hope you understand what I am saying. The paradoxical effect of the greater the improvement --> the less impressive
Hey man this was also my thought seeing the PACER tags throughout this race. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? Like AI robots just programmed to run a certain pace? Those are ELITE athletes running as pacers. I want interviews, I want to know more. PACER 6, WHO ARE YOU?????
Depends what events you want to include. E.g., the 50 km walk has been an Olympic event until recently. There are also 100 km run events recognised by the Wold Athletics body.
@monstereugene the scoring is not biased, but all the others categories are not that prestigious like the 100m and the marathon, so there is not that same amount of people training in others distances like in these two.
99% chance she’s juicing. She’s never shown potential anywhere close to sub 2:10, and considering she ran 2:24 in london earlier this year, that would be like Eliud or Kelvin having ran a 2:15 prior to running a WR
Was Marita Koch of East Germany who holds the women's world record for the 400meters with a time of 47.60 seconds, set in 1985 the greatest moment in running on the track, it's still the world record. Was the 1:53.28, set by Jarmila Kratochvílová of the Czech Republic in 1983 at Munich's Olympic Stadium the single greatest running moment. Kenya has become the East Germany of the 80's and China of the 90's and Russian of the 70's 80's 90's etc with nearly 300 athletes from Kenya have been punished for using banned substances since 2015. If we are going to cast doubt of records like the 400m or 800m or even 100m, then there will always be doubts on improvements like this. This is no Roger Bannister breaking the 4 min mile or John Walker running under 3:50 or Bob Beamon. This is more in common with the runners from the East Germany athletic machine or Lance Armstrong and his multiple tour victories. I've watching track closely since the mid 70's and this performance brings no joy. Not only the performance but seemingly the lack of fatigue. This individual could have probably run 2:08 if pressed. It's the women's world record now just like the 2:11 was the world record, that is until another Kenyan woman runs 2:07 or 2:08 a couple years from now!
If it wasn't for Kelvin Kiptum's untimely death, I believe he was on track to run the first legit sub-2:00 marathon in his next few outings. Every single marathon he ran were placed among the fastest times ever. I thought he was going to be the "Chosen One". We now have to wait longer for someone else like him to come along.
Amazing to say the least! A little bit of history of the Marathon. As a high school jr and senior (1966-1967) I had the honor of running and training with American born runner Buddy Edelen who held many American records in his day, including the first man or women to break 2:15 minutes in the marathon. His world record of 2 hr. 14min. 28 sec was set in 1963. Distance running in this country had not taken hold during Buddy's best years where he mostly competed in Europe with the world best distance runners. He was crowned by kings and queens in some events for winning in Europe where distance has long been a favorite sport. I met Buddy out on the roads one day, when he came to train for the 1968 Olympics in the high altitude of the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado. The elevation in my hometown Alamosa, Colo was the same 7000 ft above sea level as Mex. City. By this time Buddy was experiencing some severe nerve pain in his legs and hips during his runs...so the altitude training literally lowered the number of miles he needed to train compared to sea level. he wanted one more shot at an Olympic medal at the 1968 Olympics which was the second time he would represent the USA, he placed 6th in 1964, 11th in 1968. Buddy was a great distance runner, but also a college professor and that allowed him to join the faculty at Adams State College, (now university) to teach and train. His influence on distance running has helped make ASC famous for its XC and track programs. I learned so much from buddy about training... I increased my own h.s. times many times under his guidance... my practiced times going into my senior year, (4:17 mile and (9:11 two mile) would have erased the state records for those distances in 1967, but unfortunately soon after running these times in late summer of 1966, I tore up my ligaments playing basketball going into my senior xc season. I still managed to run some good times. but the12 week layoff and the phycological damage it did to me, I never ran as fast before I left high school. But I continued to be a lifelong runner and eventually a well respected xc and track coach.... I used many of the training tips I got from buddy, which helped me build championship xc and track teams during the 1990's-early 2000's ...and over 30 state individual and team champions... Buddy was a big part of my coaching success, and I will honor his gift to me forever. His passing away in 1997 at age 60, was just a few years before the amazing evolution in distance running. I think buddy would be totally blown away how distance running has evolved and truly amazed at what women are capable of... I too am excited and proud of them. Running across the world in every distance is just plain extraordinary to say the least... and I Love it!
Boulder in Colorado or Flagstaff Arizona both in the US are still today common training locations. In Europe it's the mountain valley around St. Moritz. In Ethopia or Kenya elevation is even higher.
Kenyan women now hold World records in 1,500m, 3000m steeplechase, 10,000m, 10 km road race and now again th womens marathon. The only long distance record missing is the women's 5,000 after Faith Kipyegons world record in this distance was broken earlier this year. This is simply amazing
wonder how much super shoes advantage more diminutive runners versus those of bigger stature in terms of their energy return? Maybe she's in some sort of sweet spot for hi tech shoe solutions biomechanically
Ryan Crouser's 23.56 meter shot put throw in May 2023 was worth 1334 points on the World Athletics (WA) scoring table. Yeah, I know it's not running, but worth pointing out!
There's another way of looking at this: once the distances starts to get long then the relative difference between men and women decreases. It could be argued that Radcliffe's record wasn't as tough as believed and that only now are women attacking the long distance records in increasing numbers and with the same regimes as the men.
Yes, but the other thing is lots of countries only in the past 20 years have allowed women to compete in the marathon since Paula Radcliff her record time in 2003 or at least train as hard as men becuse before the concept of training as hard as men even in USA had the top experts worried and wisdom showing women who when they trained this hard their periods stopped but now we know how to fix this problem in women's sports by not going hard around the days the women/teen girl should have her period.
There is some argument for this, especially brought up in ultra but I still think it's not relevant for the marathon. And when TRP said "And the big question now, the lingering question on everyone's mind", he didn't get it right.
@@alansamuel2454 He did say whenever a person has won the world record by such a large margin from the previous record and or has had such an improvement from their own PB and are over age 25 they go to PED's even if it is something as simple as the right day for the runner as to how they preform best, a runner finally having the optimal shoe either model made specific for runner or got lucky they work for the runner better, and the pacer having a good day pacing properly sometimes all 3 come together, though I do wish physical pacers for road events would go away, be ban for world records on the Women's side.
That is incredibly naive!! Firstly woman are shown to be better responders to these new super shoes. It is thought the extra stack height increases their stride length (for men because they are on average taller, stride length has a lower return). And weight - the foam is believed to be more effective on a smaller weight. Heavier people have a dampening effect on the return the foam / carbon fibre plat generate. These shoes are a disgrace!!
@@danbotez1307 You missed the Cultural reference. Rodrigo Diaz is El Cid. He is great because he unified Spain. Then a man of Jewish descent discovered more land to cultivate. So I assume that the Parents of Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone named her after Rodrigo Dias. Lá Cid the benevolent leader. Who leads us all to greatness. Should she be called anything less than that?
@@josedelnegro46 I know who El Cid was. Assuming that SML parents' picked her first name based on El Cid is unwarranted....... just pure speculation. Besides, Sydney is a French name for girls that means "wide meadow" and is derived from the contraction of St. Denys, the name of a 3rd-century Christian martyr. It's a popular name in the English-speaking world, and is often given to girls.
@@josedelnegro46 I missed no cultural reference. Your assumption that she was named after El Cid is pure speculation. Sydney is a French name for girls that means "wide meadow" and is derived from the contraction of St. Denys, the name of a 3rd-century Christian martyr. It's a popular name in the English-speaking world, and is often given to girls.
She is still human. I hope everybody remembers Lance Armstrong's super human efforts as well. When something seems too good to be true It probably is. Let history be a lesson for us.
Where is the 400m hurdles World Record of Karsten Warholm? Don't you count hurdles as running? Because it would be rank 3 with 1'341 points. If you add fields, you get the single highest scoring moment of all time, Javelin world record of Jan Zelezny of 98.98m with 1'365 points.
Absolutely nuts!!! And wow, you’d have to feel sorry for Tigst Assefa, getting beaten at the Olympics, and then losing her already INSANE WR only a few months later.
Yea sure do. Also a WR is a WR but the ones whose WR's break barriers like sub 2:15, sub 2:10 just cannot be forgotten in the history books. There have 44 WR's in the womens marathon set in the last 100 years. Anyone in 2050 isn't going to know or care one bit about each one the same. They might care about the first to break 2:15:00 (Brigid Kosgei) and 2:10:00 (Ruth Chepng'etich). For example, I do know Ingrid Kristiansen (first to break 15 in the 5000m even though she did it 38 years ago and nearly 300 runners have bettered that mark.
I always like to give the benefit of the doubt, but when your 2nd half of the marathon is faster than what you could have done for a half marathon alone only a couple of years ago... i get skeptical.
My pace isn't even fast enough to keep up with her holding the Kenyan flag. Ruthless Relentless. Incredible achievement. While the World runs, Ruth rocks!!
“Shoutout to the pace makers who literally ran a sub 2:10 marathon whilst pacing ruth” no, he didnt. He ran 2:10:02 so factually he just missed sub 2:10
Hands down the single greatest running moment was bolts 9.58. Not only is it a very basic disciplin, done for thousands of years, but he just smashed everybody else to every exist. Its a record, its a record by a landslide, its beautiful, its a miracle
Ingebrigtsten, Chepngetich and some others would never have broken the world record without their supershoes. It gets easier and easier to break records. I think that by far the strongest performance over 3000 m was still that from Komen.
This is such a boring comment that everyone always makes. What about those athletes running on sand tracks and tennis shoes, should they also feel done by? technology and training methods improve, that is how records keep getting broken
Some o the best sports reporting is here on TRP and this report is a great example. The story is structured in an suspenseful way, the facts and figures are presented clearly, the imagery is perfectly matched and the payoff is perfect! The payoff is the respect and honor due to the awe-inspiring athlete: Go Ruth!. Very satisfying - even for those of us who are not sports addicts.
Radcliffe was in the supershoes of the day, 146gsms long distance racing flat. Old records, they were just tougher people because they had to be, would be interesting to see modern athletes use older shoes and just drinking water, see if they can beat the likes of Paula and Haile
Sydney McLaughlin 400m hurdles has got to be up there. She has taken the world records down by 3.4% over 3 years. To put that in perspective, Bolt only lowered the World record by 1.6% over 2 years. Chepng'etich lowered the woman's half marathon by 1.5%
I still find it funny how the most prestigious and iconic marathon (Boston) is ineligible for the record because it's mostly downhill. Feh. What's not downhill is uphill, and most of the nasty stuff happens in the final third.
let's try this from another angle: her 2:09 marathon means that each 100m pace was 18.5 seconds !! You take random 100 american men her age (30) and ask them to run just 100m at this pace- probably 95% of them would fail to trail her for mere 100 meters !! Yeh, this pace for 42 km distance is mind blowing.
@@zeniktorres4320 that's not an American saying I don't know what you're on about. Unless you were trying to say it was an American talking and that why I shouldn't listen which I should inform you I am American.
Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon, so I think Carrie Tollefson was saying that Ruth Chepngetich was the first woman in this event to do something as remarkable and groundbreaking as walking on the moon
@@TheChroniclesofNyoNyo ohh I guess I get that metaphor I don't think it is as important as walking to the moon, I would more compare it to the mens world record I think that would make more sense, thank you
I find it weird that there isn't even a mention of potential doping or at least saying all the things she passed to prove it isn't likely. There's "it's worse than we thought" doping videos and "this world record was beat by 4 minutes!" Videos and nary a crossover comment.
All done by unscrupulous individuals spiking drinks without the athletes knowledge. I had the same bad luck at school, the dog used to eat my homework all the time.
Great Chicago marathon. I do not understand the issue with super running shoes. Should we go back to leather shoes with wood soles and running on cinder tracks? Should we make every athlete eat nutritionally relevant to the early 1900’s? With all of the pre and post training modalities should each athlete stop using them because they were not available in years past? Athletes are getting better, technology is getting better, and sports in general are getting better b
i immediately thought of Kipchoge's sub 2 hour marathon but after looking into it, apparently it didn't count because of fluid and pacing rules + it was an open event (i don't understand enough about running to know what that means but i know enough about running that a sub 2 hour marathon is amazing)
I've been into ultramarathons for a while now (watching, not participating), and certain things you can't explain, not even with fancy numbers (and I like numbers!). Races like Barkley Marathon, Backyard Ultra,... Participants are running for days, without sleep (or very little), Most of these people are not even professional athletes; they have a day job. Dentists, accountants,... But they love extreme running. And there is no need for a scoring table to know this is impressive, just like there is no need for a scoring table to know how impressive Ruth's time is. I'm not hating on runners or certain events; I'm hating on our need to try and explain everything with fancy numbers.
The greatest finish of all time is Dave Wottle hands down. Timeless. It also enhanced the reputation of the USA for individualism and invention e.g. Wottle, Fosbury etc.
@@benfried7100 There was a lot more going on with Kipchoge's run than pacers. There was a specially designed circuit with minimum turns, a schedule that waited for optimum wind conditions to start, and a cyclist that delivered hydration to him so he didn't need to slow down to take it. And the pacers that he used were greater in number and ran in a V formation.
Did the other chick have two pacers for their race? Anyway, the record will be broken again within a couple years at most. Super shoes will continue to progress, they're still relatively new, data is still constantly being gathered and evaluated, hence most of the models changing from iteration to iteration, and not just being some new upper/colorway. AI will develop the greatest shoe ever with new materials that haven't even come out yet.
I would be interested in a video comparing someone running in regular shoes to the same person running in high performance shoes. Does that exist somewhere? Has someone done research on how much these new shoes can enhance performance? Obviously the fitness level of these athletes is amazing and necessary for these times, but I am curious what a more average person might gain from wearing these shoes.
The marathon is not broken. Road racing is still the greatest sport in the world. We should be celebrating Ruth's achievement. Road racing is still the only sport in which the general public can sign up and compete alongside the world's best. It's a sport for all. Enjoy it, no matter what pace you are able to run!
I'm sure there are plenty of people advocating to get rid of pacers in the marathon but, super shoes or not, would these times be possible without them?
This record is a joke, and a sad one. (Huge performance jump at age 30, totally declassing competitors, coach Federico Rosa caught with doping in the past, Kenya not testing properly, ...)
Huge talents... But let's be honest, in all distances records are being shattered very quickly year after year... Tecnology in shoes are getting out of control
I imagine we are approaching the limit of what increases in shoe technology can do to improve times. There's only so many improvements that can be developed in terms of foam and energy return.
Was Marita Koch of East Germany who holds the women's world record for the 400meters with a time of 47.60 seconds, set in 1985 the greatest moment in running on the track, it's still the world record. Was the 1:53.28, set by Jarmila Kratochvílová of the Czech Republic in 1983 at Munich's Olympic Stadium the single greatest running moment. Kenya has become the East Germany of the 80's and China of the 90's and Russian of the 70's 80's 90's etc with nearly 300 athletes from Kenya have been punished for using banned substances since 2015. If we are going to cast doubt of records like the 400m or 800m or even 100m, then there will always be doubts on improvements like this. This is no Roger Bannister breaking the 4 min mile or John Walker running under 3:50 or Bob Beamon. This is more in common with the runners from the East Germany athletic machine or Lance Armstrong and his multiple tour victories. I've watching track closely since the mid 70's and this performance brings no joy. Not only the performance but seemingly the lack of fatigue. This individual could have probably run 2:08 if pressed. It's the women's world record now just like the 2:11 was the world record, that is until another Kenyan woman runs 2:07 or 2:08 a couple years from now!
For some reason, I had thought after Radcliff they changed the rule so women couldn't run with men so as not to skew or get an advantage. Is/Was this true?
How long until we here that she was doping somehow? Doesn't seem POSSIBLE for that big of a gap between 1st and 2nd without some type of performance enhancement!
Did that announcer just compare going to the freaking moon this world record. Seriously. I must have heard the name wrong. She can't have said Neil Armstrong
But the pace maker!! They always look like they are having a Sunday jog. Even the one who paced throughout, hitting 2:10. Probably the anxiety of a race does affect the competing runners....
Ruth Chepngetich- a moment of absolute greatness !!! - are you a publicist for the Rosa drug dynasty...or do you know nothing about elite distance running?
I would be very interested in a video dedicated entirely to the guys who serve as elite pacers.
Okay? Your argument is only that she came in 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th place in the men's division?
Sir she is the GOAT at this moment because she scored more points.
What you ought to be asking is what time must a man now run to take back our crown from that beautiful woman.
@@josedelnegro46Bro That was not his point
@@MrLelle You are right. That was what I inferred. He may not have been saying that a male pacer kept up with her the whole way.
I heard "He could have placed" and went wild.
Thanks
@@josedelnegro46Here is the thing man. I don't think you can compare men and women like that and call her the goat of all sexes based on how much she improved a time. This is because there are a lot more men training for the marathon whoch means that the top 10 men are a lot more talented than the top 10 women this means that it is a lot more likely that there will be a female star who improves the record by a crazy amount because she may be competing with people that are not as talented as the males. And I dont say this because I am sexist. It is a general principle that I follow in all sports. I think that lionel messi is certainly a lot better than kipchoge at his respective sport lionel messi is CERTAINLY equivalent to a sub 2 hour marathon purely by statistics. It is just way harder to become the worlds best football player than the worlds best floorball player. And I am swedish and love floorball. Same thing with duplantis. What he is doing is amazing and he competes for my country. But the more he breaks the world record the more it shows that pole vaulting is such a small sport and most previous pole vaulters weren't that talented compared to the top 10 sprinters in history. Obviously it is not entirely true because there might be some advancements in technique that makes mondo perform a lot better but I hope you understand what I am saying. The paradoxical effect of the greater the improvement --> the less impressive
Hey man this was also my thought seeing the PACER tags throughout this race. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? Like AI robots just programmed to run a certain pace? Those are ELITE athletes running as pacers. I want interviews, I want to know more. PACER 6, WHO ARE YOU?????
Ruth's average pace was within half a second of my flat-out mile PR, which is just absolutely mind-blowing to me 😳
It is comfortably a minute over my flat-out mile PR. I know I am not that fast, but it is mind blowing and slightly painful 😅
@@eqqos bro yall are faster than 99.9 percent of the population lol
Well, you’re natty. So there’s that you need to consider.
You're lying. Are you sure you can run that fast, Forrest! 😅😂
Ruth’s average is far and away faster than my mile PR of 5:36.xx
The pacer got tenth overall in the men's just think about that.
The pacer when arrived wasn't even breathing!
what a savage
@@thetheoryofeverything7129are you sure about that?
@@thetheoryofeverything7129 No the pacer was with her the whole race. You can see him with her right from the start.
@@thetheoryofeverything7129 Would not count as an official world record if that was the case.
What an achievement! Chicago 24 was sooo awesome. Ran it myself and set a PR of 2:48:29. To see these elites doing things like this is wild.
Fine effort bro, congratulations.
Cool how the "shortest" and "longest" distances in athletics hold the iaaf score records.
yeah i think the scoreing is a little biased but not significantly
Depends what events you want to include. E.g., the 50 km walk has been an Olympic event until recently. There are also 100 km run events recognised by the Wold Athletics body.
@monstereugene the scoring is not biased, but all the others categories are not that prestigious like the 100m and the marathon, so there is not that same amount of people training in others distances like in these two.
99% chance she’s juicing. She’s never shown potential anywhere close to sub 2:10, and considering she ran 2:24 in london earlier this year, that would be like Eliud or Kelvin having ran a 2:15 prior to running a WR
Was Marita Koch of East Germany who holds the women's world record for the 400meters with a time of 47.60 seconds, set in 1985 the greatest moment in running on the track, it's still the world record. Was the 1:53.28, set by Jarmila Kratochvílová of the Czech Republic in 1983 at Munich's Olympic Stadium the single greatest running moment. Kenya has become the East Germany of the 80's and China of the 90's and Russian of the 70's 80's 90's etc with nearly 300 athletes from Kenya have been punished for using banned substances since 2015. If we are going to cast doubt of records like the 400m or 800m or even 100m, then there will always be doubts on improvements like this. This is no Roger Bannister breaking the 4 min mile or John Walker running under 3:50 or Bob Beamon. This is more in common with the runners from the East Germany athletic machine or Lance Armstrong and his multiple tour victories. I've watching track closely since the mid 70's and this performance brings no joy. Not only the performance but seemingly the lack of fatigue. This individual could have probably run 2:08 if pressed. It's the women's world record now just like the 2:11 was the world record, that is until another Kenyan woman runs 2:07 or 2:08 a couple years from now!
Bruv everyone's juicing lmao
@@Gainzsternot everyone ,alot yes
@@slingshotdon Anyone achieving top times*
@@Gainzstersuper shoes energy transference lmao they improve long distances times Google it
At the three minute mark, where is Sidney McLaughlin Leverone’s 400 m hurdle world record? That comes in at 1323 points.
He didn't count hurdles, Karsten Warholm has 1'341 points.
🤦
That’s a bit outrageous
Yes, I looked up Sydney as well, seems like it should be included in this video
It was only 57 years ago that men first broke the sub 2:10 and in official marathon still the last 10 minute barrier anyones broke so far.
But won't remain the last, that we know
Derek Clayton, Fukuoka, 1967, 2:09:36.
@@marknorris1381 yes that's right
If it wasn't for Kelvin Kiptum's untimely death, I believe he was on track to run the first legit sub-2:00 marathon in his next few outings. Every single marathon he ran were placed among the fastest times ever. I thought he was going to be the "Chosen One". We now have to wait longer for someone else like him to come along.
Roger Bannister’s first ever sub 4 minute mile. That’s the only answer I will accept.
Same here.
Bro that opening half marathon is insane…like wtf
That's faster than the half marathon World Record of before Letesenbet Gidey ran her half marathon World Record.
Amazing to say the least! A little bit of history of the Marathon. As a high school jr and senior (1966-1967) I had the honor of running and training with American born runner Buddy Edelen who held many American records in his day, including the first man or women to break 2:15 minutes in the marathon. His world record of 2 hr. 14min. 28 sec was set in 1963. Distance running in this country had not taken hold during Buddy's best years where he mostly competed in Europe with the world best distance runners. He was crowned by kings and queens in some events for winning in Europe where distance has long been a favorite sport. I met Buddy out on the roads one day, when he came to train for the 1968 Olympics in the high altitude of the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado. The elevation in my hometown Alamosa, Colo was the same 7000 ft above sea level as Mex. City. By this time Buddy was experiencing some severe nerve pain in his legs and hips during his runs...so the altitude training literally lowered the number of miles he needed to train compared to sea level. he wanted one more shot at an Olympic medal at the 1968 Olympics which was the second time he would represent the USA, he placed 6th in 1964, 11th in 1968. Buddy was a great distance runner, but also a college professor and that allowed him to join the faculty at Adams State College, (now university) to teach and train. His influence on distance running has helped make ASC famous for its XC and track programs. I learned so much from buddy about training... I increased my own h.s. times many times under his guidance... my practiced times going into my senior year, (4:17 mile and (9:11 two mile) would have erased the state records for those distances in 1967, but unfortunately soon after running these times in late summer of 1966, I tore up my ligaments playing basketball going into my senior xc season. I still managed to run some good times. but the12 week layoff and the phycological damage it did to me, I never ran as fast before I left high school. But I continued to be a lifelong runner and eventually a well respected xc and track coach.... I used many of the training tips I got from buddy, which helped me build championship xc and track teams during the 1990's-early 2000's ...and over 30 state individual and team champions... Buddy was a big part of my coaching success, and I will honor his gift to me forever. His passing away in 1997 at age 60, was just a few years before the amazing evolution in distance running. I think buddy would be totally blown away how distance running has evolved and truly amazed at what women are capable of... I too am excited and proud of them. Running across the world in every distance is just plain extraordinary to say the least... and I Love it!
Boulder in Colorado or Flagstaff Arizona both in the US are still today common training locations.
In Europe it's the mountain valley around St. Moritz.
In Ethopia or Kenya elevation is even higher.
@@jandrew99 Thank you. Now I have a new American Hero!
Nice. Just out of curiosity, what got Buddy for him to pass away at that age?
Kenyan women now hold World records in 1,500m, 3000m steeplechase, 10,000m, 10 km road race and now again th womens marathon. The only long distance record missing is the women's 5,000 after Faith Kipyegons world record in this distance was broken earlier this year. This is simply amazing
They are all on drugs
@@riskonic of course they are, but so is almost everyone else
Thank you for bringing up Chicago '22, this was that except she was able to finish as well as she started.
Missing Karsten Warholm's 1341 in the top ten bro
And Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone's 1322
i think hes only counting open and individual events
@@Someone-hi1nt he doesn't count hurdles therefore
It’s funny how they were thinking Kabede was gonna break the world record. She got demolished
Medicine strength is also “unbroken”…
wonder how much super shoes advantage more diminutive runners versus those of bigger stature in terms of their energy return? Maybe she's in some sort of sweet spot for hi tech shoe solutions biomechanically
Possible she can use more of the power stored in the shoes.
She had benefited a lot from her pacers
just a matter of designing the shoe for the athlete
Ryan Crouser's 23.56 meter shot put throw in May 2023 was worth 1334 points on the World Athletics (WA) scoring table. Yeah, I know it's not running, but worth pointing out!
There's another way of looking at this: once the distances starts to get long then the relative difference between men and women decreases. It could be argued that Radcliffe's record wasn't as tough as believed and that only now are women attacking the long distance records in increasing numbers and with the same regimes as the men.
Yes, but the other thing is lots of countries only in the past 20 years have allowed women to compete in the marathon since Paula Radcliff her record time in 2003 or at least train as hard as men becuse before the concept of training as hard as men even in USA had the top experts worried and wisdom showing women who when they trained this hard their periods stopped but now we know how to fix this problem in women's sports by not going hard around the days the women/teen girl should have her period.
That would be the reddit take
There is some argument for this, especially brought up in ultra but I still think it's not relevant for the marathon. And when TRP said "And the big question now, the lingering question on everyone's mind", he didn't get it right.
@@alansamuel2454 He did say whenever a person has won the world record by such a large margin from the previous record and or has had such an improvement from their own PB and are over age 25 they go to PED's even if it is something as simple as the right day for the runner as to how they preform best, a runner finally having the optimal shoe either model made specific for runner or got lucky they work for the runner better, and the pacer having a good day pacing properly sometimes all 3 come together, though I do wish physical pacers for road events would go away, be ban for world records on the Women's side.
That is incredibly naive!! Firstly woman are shown to be better responders to these new super shoes. It is thought the extra stack height increases their stride length (for men because they are on average taller, stride length has a lower return). And weight - the foam is believed to be more effective on a smaller weight. Heavier people have a dampening effect on the return the foam / carbon fibre plat generate. These shoes are a disgrace!!
In the top 10 list, you didn't include Sydney McLaughlin 400mH WR that gave her a score of 1322
He did miss that. It may have been because if you put La Cid in the mix clearly woman are more GOATish than men😂❤😂🎉.
@@josedelnegro46 What the hell is La Cid😂
@@danbotez1307 You missed the Cultural reference.
Rodrigo Diaz is El Cid.
He is great because he unified Spain. Then a man of Jewish descent discovered more land to cultivate.
So I assume that the Parents of Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone named her after Rodrigo Dias.
Lá Cid the benevolent leader. Who leads us all to greatness.
Should she be called anything less than that?
@@josedelnegro46 I know who El Cid was.
Assuming that SML parents' picked her first name based on El Cid is unwarranted....... just pure speculation.
Besides, Sydney is a French name for girls that means "wide meadow" and is derived from the contraction of St. Denys, the name of a 3rd-century Christian martyr. It's a popular name in the English-speaking world, and is often given to girls.
@@josedelnegro46 I missed no cultural reference. Your assumption that she was named after El Cid is pure speculation.
Sydney is a French name for girls that means "wide meadow" and is derived from the contraction of St. Denys, the name of a 3rd-century Christian martyr. It's a popular name in the English-speaking world, and is often given to girls.
06:00 In this case, wouldn't that be Ruth-full, not Ruth-less? 🙂
This is why I love the comment section 😂😂
Pharma is the true game changer😂. Diet woke
She is still human. I hope everybody remembers Lance Armstrong's super human efforts as well. When something seems too good to be true It probably is. Let history be a lesson for us.
Correction for the half marathon average speed at 6:03: 4'54" per mile, 3'05" per k
Where is the 400m hurdles World Record of Karsten Warholm? Don't you count hurdles as running? Because it would be rank 3 with 1'341 points. If you add fields, you get the single highest scoring moment of all time, Javelin world record of Jan Zelezny of 98.98m with 1'365 points.
Absolutely nuts!!! And wow, you’d have to feel sorry for Tigst Assefa, getting beaten at the Olympics, and then losing her already INSANE WR only a few months later.
Yea sure do. Also a WR is a WR but the ones whose WR's break barriers like sub 2:15, sub 2:10 just cannot be forgotten in the history books. There have 44 WR's in the womens marathon set in the last 100 years. Anyone in 2050 isn't going to know or care one bit about each one the same. They might care about the first to break 2:15:00 (Brigid Kosgei) and 2:10:00 (Ruth Chepng'etich). For example, I do know Ingrid Kristiansen (first to break 15 in the 5000m even though she did it 38 years ago and nearly 300 runners have bettered that mark.
I always like to give the benefit of the doubt, but when your 2nd half of the marathon is faster than what you could have done for a half marathon alone only a couple of years ago... i get skeptical.
My pace isn't even fast enough to keep up with her holding the Kenyan flag.
Ruthless Relentless. Incredible achievement.
While the World runs, Ruth rocks!!
EPO?
Nah, there’s better stuff now
2:33 karsten record is vauled at 1341 points
I’d love to think Chepngetich is really clean…but it’s hard to deny it’s a big possibility she’s enhanced in some way
And when it comes out she’s clean will you eat your words?
@@weekndxo3680 I’d love her to be clean
@@weekndxo3680Yes.
@@weekndxo3680 none of em at the very top level are clean my friend
@@Someone-hi1nt ok well when she doesn’t get caught, then will you eat your words or still complain
“Shoutout to the pace makers who literally ran a sub 2:10 marathon whilst pacing ruth” no, he didnt. He ran 2:10:02 so factually he just missed sub 2:10
Hands down the single greatest running moment was bolts 9.58.
Not only is it a very basic disciplin, done for thousands of years, but he just smashed everybody else to every exist. Its a record, its a record by a landslide, its beautiful, its a miracle
Ingebrigtsten, Chepngetich and some others would never have broken the world record without their supershoes. It gets easier and easier to break records. I think that by far the strongest performance over 3000 m was still that from Komen.
This is such a boring comment that everyone always makes. What about those athletes running on sand tracks and tennis shoes, should they also feel done by? technology and training methods improve, that is how records keep getting broken
He had EPO.
Incredible🎉 Massive Respect!🔥
Some o the best sports reporting is here on TRP and this report is a great example. The story is structured in an suspenseful way, the facts and figures are presented clearly, the imagery is perfectly matched and the payoff is perfect! The payoff is the respect and honor due to the awe-inspiring athlete: Go Ruth!. Very satisfying - even for those of us who are not sports addicts.
Supershoes - look at radcliffe's time if the 3-4% improvement of the shoes is factored in, it brings the time down to 2.10
Facts these records shouldn't even be compared
4% efficiency gain does not equal a 4% faster time.
@@francescosaturnino113 True, but the longer the distance, the closer it gets.
Radcliffe was in the supershoes of the day, 146gsms long distance racing flat.
Old records, they were just tougher people because they had to be, would be interesting to see modern athletes use older shoes and just drinking water, see if they can beat the likes of Paula and Haile
Shout out to missing the obvious question.
Sydney McLaughlin 400m hurdles has got to be up there. She has taken the world records down by 3.4% over 3 years. To put that in perspective, Bolt only lowered the World record by 1.6% over 2 years. Chepng'etich lowered the woman's half marathon by 1.5%
I still find it funny how the most prestigious and iconic marathon (Boston) is ineligible for the record because it's mostly downhill.
Feh. What's not downhill is uphill, and most of the nasty stuff happens in the final third.
Great video ! You explained her incredible feat well and the video is good paced (no pun intended) and very informative +1sub
I thought Flo Jo would be much higher
We should have cinder track world records without super shoes allowed!
That’s the only records I’ll accept!
The analytical depth u cover in these videos reflects extreme work ethic.
Thanks! I'm passionate about digging deep into the history and science behind these amazing feats.
I ran Chicago marathon in 4:57:01 and almost died 😂😂😂
That’s epossible.
Hahaha exactly 💯
cope
At 2:52 you missed Eliud Kipchoge's Berlin '22 Marathon time of 2:01:09, netting him 1312 points
Fantastic run. But if we allow that level of pacing and wind protection why don’t we recognise Kipchoge’s sub two hour marathon
let's try this from another angle: her 2:09 marathon means that each 100m pace was 18.5 seconds !! You take random 100 american men her age (30) and ask them to run just 100m at this pace- probably 95% of them would fail to trail her for mere 100 meters !! Yeh, this pace for 42 km distance is mind blowing.
I want to see Letesenbet Gidey give it a try at some point in her career
I want to know what the announcer meant by saying "Bring it on Neil Armstrong,we have another women who has done something just like you"
it's an American talking head saying that so don't pay any attention to it.
@@zeniktorres4320 that's not an American saying I don't know what you're on about. Unless you were trying to say it was an American talking and that why I shouldn't listen which I should inform you I am American.
Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon, so I think Carrie Tollefson was saying that Ruth Chepngetich was the first woman in this event to do something as remarkable and groundbreaking as walking on the moon
@@TheChroniclesofNyoNyo ohh I guess I get that metaphor I don't think it is as important as walking to the moon, I would more compare it to the mens world record I think that would make more sense, thank you
@@LandonPoland I think it was just an exaggerated comparison borne out of excitement!
I find it weird that there isn't even a mention of potential doping or at least saying all the things she passed to prove it isn't likely. There's "it's worse than we thought" doping videos and "this world record was beat by 4 minutes!" Videos and nary a crossover comment.
Did anyone see this coming from Ruth? How does this compare to her previous times and lifetime progression?
Doping is getting more and more sophisticated
Based comment
All done by unscrupulous individuals spiking drinks without the athletes knowledge. I had the same bad luck at school, the dog used to eat my homework all the time.
@@marknorris1381 Based comment😉
Regardless of IF she doped, she still physically did it which is impressive
@@OrzVanced-oq6wj based on what? Where's your proof?
A 2:10 pacer is WILD lol
The answer to the question is, it now depends on how well top level runners can adapt their techniques to shoe technologies.
Great Chicago marathon. I do not understand the issue with super running shoes. Should we go back to leather shoes with wood soles and running on cinder tracks? Should we make every athlete eat nutritionally relevant to the early 1900’s? With all of the pre and post training modalities should each athlete stop using them because they were not available in years past? Athletes are getting better, technology is getting better, and sports in general are getting better b
No. Clothing and constructed tracks are performance enhancing. Naked running barefoot on dirt tracks.
”Ruthless” mark
i immediately thought of Kipchoge's sub 2 hour marathon but after looking into it, apparently it didn't count because of fluid and pacing rules + it was an open event (i don't understand enough about running to know what that means but i know enough about running that a sub 2 hour marathon is amazing)
Supershoes must help a lot
Yes. Game changer
Yes. And also drugs
Sidney McLaughlin Leverone has to be a top 10. Her 400m hurdles was dominant. No one is close.
RIP Kiptum. Never forget that cars are insanely dangerous and it doesn't have to be that way.
Didn't Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone exceed 1320 pts with her 50.37? 1323 I think ...
Yep, my best mile time in high school was 5:07. LOL.
Slow. That was my mile time as a freshman in high school. Was able to break was able to get down to 4:44 by the time became a senior.
Good to see these numbers, but I hate to think about these shoes mate... I really do!
I've been into ultramarathons for a while now (watching, not participating), and certain things you can't explain, not even with fancy numbers (and I like numbers!). Races like Barkley Marathon, Backyard Ultra,... Participants are running for days, without sleep (or very little), Most of these people are not even professional athletes; they have a day job. Dentists, accountants,... But they love extreme running. And there is no need for a scoring table to know this is impressive, just like there is no need for a scoring table to know how impressive Ruth's time is. I'm not hating on runners or certain events; I'm hating on our need to try and explain everything with fancy numbers.
I thought Sydney McLaughlin's world record got 1322 point. Why is she not on the list?
For me, it's too good to be true. The win margin is out of this world.
Same as Pogacar in cycling.
@@RubbishGimpy Yeah agreed.
The greatest finish of all time is Dave Wottle hands down. Timeless.
It also enhanced the reputation of the USA for individualism and invention e.g. Wottle, Fosbury etc.
I know nothing about running - explain to me the chicago course? it’s obviously flat & fast do they have course categorisations in marathon running?
Breaking 2:10 is insane. Men usually take 10% off so they have to break 2 hours
Eliud did when he had pacers the whole time - just like Ruth
More like 8%
Pacers do matter Assefa barely had anyone left pacing her .
@@benfried7100 There was a lot more going on with Kipchoge's run than pacers. There was a specially designed circuit with minimum turns, a schedule that waited for optimum wind conditions to start, and a cyclist that delivered hydration to him so he didn't need to slow down to take it. And the pacers that he used were greater in number and ran in a V formation.
@@letitbleep2683greater Number off pacers and he changed them of they could rest
With pacers until the last 10 metres also men will improve a lot
Did the other chick have two pacers for their race?
Anyway, the record will be broken again within a couple years at most. Super shoes will continue to progress, they're still relatively new, data is still constantly being gathered and evaluated, hence most of the models changing from iteration to iteration, and not just being some new upper/colorway.
AI will develop the greatest shoe ever with new materials that haven't even come out yet.
Are they immediately drug tested after the race?
I would be interested in a video comparing someone running in regular shoes to the same person running in high performance shoes. Does that exist somewhere? Has someone done research on how much these new shoes can enhance performance? Obviously the fitness level of these athletes is amazing and necessary for these times, but I am curious what a more average person might gain from wearing these shoes.
Interesting 🧐 I hope Ruth isn’t doping..
Hmmm - what about Syndney McLaughlin - she must be on the list
The marathon is not broken. Road racing is still the greatest sport in the world. We should be celebrating Ruth's achievement. Road racing is still the only sport in which the general public can sign up and compete alongside the world's best. It's a sport for all. Enjoy it, no matter what pace you are able to run!
You failed to mention Ruth comes from a country that has over 300 runners on the banned list.
shoutout to the pacer
When will that cool aid be available to normal runners?
Amazing what proper training, nutrition, and rest can do. Crazy that they used to run marathons with hardly any calories and water.
I'm sure there are plenty of people advocating to get rid of pacers in the marathon but, super shoes or not, would these times be possible without them?
This record is a joke, and a sad one. (Huge performance jump at age 30, totally declassing competitors, coach Federico Rosa caught with doping in the past, Kenya not testing properly, ...)
I assume everyone knows she was doped to the gills
Continue assuming. When blacks break records, it's doping but when the likes of Ingebristen, Jess Hull and Sydney break it's not a big deal!!!
what about kipchoge? is his sub 2 hour marathon seriously not there?
What about the sub 2 hour marathon? Whats the rating on that?
What about Eliud Kipchoge? He ran a Marathon in ander 2h
no he didn’t
Huge talents... But let's be honest, in all distances records are being shattered very quickly year after year... Tecnology in shoes are getting out of control
It’s drugs mate. Not shoes’
I imagine we are approaching the limit of what increases in shoe technology can do to improve times. There's only so many improvements that can be developed in terms of foam and energy return.
They tried it in the high jump but got found out.
@@ThatRunnerAaron why not both?
Was Marita Koch of East Germany who holds the women's world record for the 400meters with a time of 47.60 seconds, set in 1985 the greatest moment in running on the track, it's still the world record. Was the 1:53.28, set by Jarmila Kratochvílová of the Czech Republic in 1983 at Munich's Olympic Stadium the single greatest running moment. Kenya has become the East Germany of the 80's and China of the 90's and Russian of the 70's 80's 90's etc with nearly 300 athletes from Kenya have been punished for using banned substances since 2015. If we are going to cast doubt of records like the 400m or 800m or even 100m, then there will always be doubts on improvements like this. This is no Roger Bannister breaking the 4 min mile or John Walker running under 3:50 or Bob Beamon. This is more in common with the runners from the East Germany athletic machine or Lance Armstrong and his multiple tour victories. I've watching track closely since the mid 70's and this performance brings no joy. Not only the performance but seemingly the lack of fatigue. This individual could have probably run 2:08 if pressed. It's the women's world record now just like the 2:11 was the world record, that is until another Kenyan woman runs 2:07 or 2:08 a couple years from now!
You forgot Flo Jo.
For some reason, I had thought after Radcliff they changed the rule so women couldn't run with men so as not to skew or get an advantage. Is/Was this true?
How long until we here that she was doping somehow? Doesn't seem POSSIBLE for that big of a gap between 1st and 2nd without some type of performance enhancement!
Ng'etich is pronounced with the second "NG" sound in the word Gong not the first "Go" sound.
I just pray she's clean because that is truly out of this world record
no one at this level is clean
I don’t see how praying would influence what she did or didn’t
So I guess that answers the question "is Usain Bolt the greatest track athlete ever?". Outside of field events he is easily the GOAT.
Did that announcer just compare going to the freaking moon this world record. Seriously. I must have heard the name wrong. She can't have said Neil Armstrong
Karsten Warholm 400mh score of 1341 btw
I *really* hope she's squeaky clean
Meanwhile Mrekk aiming for the 2000 pp
But the pace maker!! They always look like they are having a Sunday jog. Even the one who paced throughout, hitting 2:10. Probably the anxiety of a race does affect the competing runners....
Ruth Chepngetich- a moment of absolute greatness !!! - are you a publicist for the Rosa drug dynasty...or do you know nothing about elite distance running?
Tip: listen to The real sports science podcast with Ross Tucker. He looks at all facets of this achievement; pretty interesting