@@Lee_Arashi In folkstyle you cannot add force to the fall/slam like the guy in the video, at least where I am. The rules vary somewhat by state and how the referee applies the rules.
Travis Smith yeah I looked up the rules and realize that any forceful slam is illegal in folk style wrestling...No matter If you don’t leave your feet or not
@@ChunkyLover420 yeah now if it was freestyle or Greco he could have gotten away with it more. Also that rule has a gray area because of the knees down first and take down control.
A potentially dangerous movement is an illegal movement. Comment makes no sense. And this is an illegal slam regardless. The guy literally lept from his feet to slam the other guy. Not even a hip toss
@fangiscool1 Illegal move IS in fact different than potentially dangerous. If someone has a leg ride in and their opponent stands up, neither wrestler gets penalized, but they reset at referees because it's dangerous to have a wrestler literally piggybacking another.
@@fangiscool1 At least in my state, potentially dangerous does not refer to an illegal move. If I recall correctly from my brief reffing stint, there's no penalty for a potentially dangerous call unless it has to be made many times.
1. Not a hip toss. 2. The ref may not have called it an illegal hold. It could have been stopped for being potentially dangerous or for suspected injury. The ref may have seen something the video doesn’t show etc. 3. This doesn’t seem like the most serious match ever and a stoppage for a landing like that seems reasonable, especially at this level.
you can clearly see faked slamming his knees on the floor to comply with the rules then he purposely steered his head straight into the floor instead of his back. . you can call that "legal" but that was clearly dirty and intentional bend of the rules . hitting your knees first into the ground is meant to minimize the strength of the slam, he took advantage and directed that strength into the back of his head
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 how many people on this app need to be told that the knees hitting before the opponent is not the rule? The rule is that the lifting wrestler is responsible for returning the opponent to the mat in a controlled and safe manner. Knees have nothing to do with it.
I wrestled 126 in high school and did something similar. This was right before I kicked him in the stomach and did a Stone Cold Stunner to end the match. I climbed up a chair and had some audience members throw cans of Budweiser and proceeded to chug both cans down the hatch. Never got called by ref and he joined me in chugging a beer.
Cheerleaders or students never went to matches the room stunk up by wrestlers bo way to much. I refused to wrestle because of it. I beat almost every wrestler on team. Except the hvwt. The guy who outweighed me by over a 110 lbs. Couldnt beat or pin me.
That ref should read the rule book....the player on the offense(the one tossing) hits his knees before the other wrestler (the one getting tossed) hits the mat. Therefore making this 100% legal and should have been stopped because of a pin not anything else.
No where in nfhs nor ncaa rules does it stipulate that knees hitting first rules our a slam. Absolutely no where. So, who needs to read a rule book, rook?
@@jimbrock387 knees were the first point of contact that's why I said knees but you are correct it doesn't say knees it says must contact the mat before his opponent so thanks for the need for clarification, I guess there is always a douce like you that can't just leave people be to their comments and post your own....
It doesn't help when the guy getting thrown, throws his legs toward his head. Which gave the throw more velocity and the hampered ability to safely land.
The rules state that any forceful slam is illegal in folk style wrestling… I thought the same things you did but after reading the rules I realized that it is actually illegal
@@R1CHMAX Can you please refer to the section of the rule book that states this? 7-1-1 says that a slam is lifting an opponent off the mat and returning them with unnecessary force. It says nothing about knees touching down.
@@flowingafterglow629 because that’s not part of the rule. Even if knees touch first it’s still illegal because he brought him down forcefully to the mat. The same would be if they were in top/bottom position you could still bring someone down forcefully and it’s illegal.
It was not that bad. I am a austrian wrestler and we do that in fights last training we trained this. One of my friends took 5 way worse throws onto his neck and eben with almost no experience he didnt get hurt.
@@reetusmeatus9096check the description, it says he suffered a severe concussion and his doctor said he will probably have to be done with high contact sports 😢
@@reetusmeatus9096check the description, it says he suffered a severe concussion and his doctor said he will probably have to be done with high contact sports 😢
Touch fall doesn’t exist in high school. If you drop your opponent on their head and neck like that the match will almost always be stopped as this level, whether or not it is strictly illegal. You claim to be an olympic coach, shouldn’t you know that?
@@craigmeyers9137 you have to get a better hobby. Lying on the internet, especially about a topic you know nothing about, is so pathetic. It’s transparent and sad when you don’t do your research before you start making things up.
@@holographer okay, you certainly are a liberal Democrat. I just told you the exact same thing. IT'S IN THE RULE BOOK PAL! Game over TROLL. Watch the video you fake wanna be ref... the ref never called potentially dangerous or anything. He stopped the match, because it was over!!! By fall....
can you please explain it to me in detail? . I know nothing of wrestling but I have an idea of why it was illegal and why other people see it as legal but I wanted to hear the opinion of a professional official
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 I’ve wrestled for awhile so I know the rules but pretty much you can’t return your opponent to the mat with accelerated force In high school. And with where he landed on his upper back/neck area that would be illegal or potentially dangerous. Most of the times would be called illegal.
As long as you hit the mat first. It's perfectly legal. That was perfectly legal, and a touch pin. Match over by fall. Get in your rule book. Being a nationally certified wrestling coach and alternate Olympic coach, I know I'm right...
Cheerleaders for wrestling… I would just leave the event right then and there. That has to be annoying during a match I can barely hear my coach enough.
Red singlet needs to work on his overhooks. The way Black was pushing forward with underhooks, Red could’ve hit an inside trip. If they don’t land on their back, transition to a different takedown or keep a whizzer to put you in position for a better set up of events.
Folkstyle: illegal
Greco: 5 points and the coach liked it
It isn’t five. Five is when it is high amplitude feet over head. This was at most four in greco
@@aidenforster5892 the opponents feet were clearly over both of their heads
@@Rexschmex I have done Greco for 8 years, that is not a German suplex
@@Rexschmex and also, that is four. Five points is high amplitude feet over head. That was not high amplitude, he did not enter the danger zone
Greco for 11 years its 4 points for 5 points feet must go around the axel
Our coach used to tell us that if you do not want to be slammed, Do not allow anyone to pick you up and slam you.
That great advice tbh
@@tharealchevyit really is
Lol
@kpj2224 If you want to be a rock climber, don't fall. Good advice.
@@Unstrict good job 👏
Youth - illegal slam
Junior high - illegal slam
High school - illegal slam
NCAA - They didnt go through the floor and no one died. Game on.
It is legal for kids Freestyle and Greco though.
@@danielcadwell9812I was just going to say that.
Head did not hit the mat and the thrower did not drive shoulder first. It is a legale throw in all ages.
@@danielcadwell9812
It might've been a no go if he toed out of the ring like that in Greco. Real estate rules in Olympic wrestling are confusing.
@@Lee_Arashi In folkstyle you cannot add force to the fall/slam like the guy in the video, at least where I am. The rules vary somewhat by state and how the referee applies the rules.
I've never had cheerleaders when I wrestle :(
It’s not illegal… He did not leave his feet and his knees hit before the other wrestlers body did
In folkstyle it is illegal to brute force slam someone plus his hands were still locked on the way down also there was no control on the takedown.
Travis Smith yeah I looked up the rules and realize that any forceful slam is illegal in folk style wrestling...No matter If you don’t leave your feet or not
@@ChunkyLover420 yeah now if it was freestyle or Greco he could have gotten away with it more. Also that rule has a gray area because of the knees down first and take down control.
@@ChunkyLover420 no it’s not illegal the way he may returned him. It’s just the way red landed making it a potentially dangerous stoppage.
The old man yelling “get up get up” is so wrestling man
He said head up, he wants him to build his posture back up
Still so wrestling
@@CT-mz8ob still didn't say get up, I didn't say anything.about it not being wrestling, ur just deaf aaand blind
Did that 50 times today actually I did not we get first all the time 🤼😭😂
Head up goof
There is a difference between illegal and potentially dangerous. This wasn’t illegal but it was potentially dangerous just from the awkward landing
A potentially dangerous movement is an illegal movement. Comment makes no sense. And this is an illegal slam regardless. The guy literally lept from his feet to slam the other guy. Not even a hip toss
His arms were still around his waist after they hit the floor. Making it an illegal move
This is what I was thinking. It was a good toss, just a bit of an awkward landing. I still applaud the ref for stopping the match to make sure
@fangiscool1 Illegal move IS in fact different than potentially dangerous. If someone has a leg ride in and their opponent stands up, neither wrestler gets penalized, but they reset at referees because it's dangerous to have a wrestler literally piggybacking another.
@@fangiscool1
At least in my state, potentially dangerous does not refer to an illegal move. If I recall correctly from my brief reffing stint, there's no penalty for a potentially dangerous call unless it has to be made many times.
Trying to see what was illegal about that…that was a TAME hip toss. Even as the opposing coach I’d be like…”sucks to be you”.
No it wasn't, any move that causes your opponent to land on their neck is illegal in folk style.
@@alexandervazquez9218 lame as hell
I agree
THESE REPLYS ARE INCORRECT. BECAUSE THE WRESTLER RETURNING HIS OPPONENT TO THE MAT'S KNEE TOUCHES THE MAT FIRST.. IT IS A LEGAL RETURN.
1. Not a hip toss.
2. The ref may not have called it an illegal hold. It could have been stopped for being potentially dangerous or for suspected injury. The ref may have seen something the video doesn’t show etc.
3. This doesn’t seem like the most serious match ever and a stoppage for a landing like that seems reasonable, especially at this level.
Bro, I just realized this video is 8 Years old 😂
Oh.
How do you see the date?
@@Brickswolclick the three dots in the top right corner and then press description
@@Brown_poundprodz Thanks, I'm an idiot. I should've figured that out.
I just graduated from this school bro 😭
I thougt the cheerleaders clapping was the sound of his neck snapping for a second 😂😂😂
YES 😂
My anger issues would not be able to wrestle with cheerleaders in the background
90% of the potential slam is how the fish maneuvers trip to the mat
Cheerleaders while I'm wrestling would piss me off
That's just tough wrestling it happens
you can clearly see faked slamming his knees on the floor to comply with the rules then he purposely steered his head straight into the floor instead of his back.
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you can call that "legal" but that was clearly dirty and intentional bend of the rules
. hitting your knees first into the ground is meant to minimize the strength of the slam, he took advantage and directed that strength into the back of his head
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 how many people on this app need to be told that the knees hitting before the opponent is not the rule?
The rule is that the lifting wrestler is responsible for returning the opponent to the mat in a controlled and safe manner. Knees have nothing to do with it.
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 It’s wrestling not ballet go cry somewhere else
@@saintsocramnymaia5511if this is dirty, then what tf is frestyle and greco to you
No it’s not. In wrestling you’re not allowed to lock your hands like this. The ref should’ve stopped it before the slam. Bad reffing.
I mean, that sucks for the kid, but it looks more like a mat return gone wrong.
Everything is illegal nowadays...
Everyone is a pussy nowadays
Only in Folkstyle
Locking hands has always been illegal.
you don't know what you're talking about. It's dangerous. You will know when you get slamed like that. 🤫🤣
@@LoveCaseOhTell me your scared of confrontation without telling me.
Bros neck sounded like an ASMR creator eating fried chicken 😂😂😂
Bro didnt even land on his neck
Slammed near the top of the CNS. Brutal. I get it.
Illegal or not, that was AWESOME.
That kid couldve been paralyzed
That dude basically slammed himself. His opponent just held on to him while he did it. Lmao
I wrestled 126 in high school and did something similar. This was right before I kicked him in the stomach and did a Stone Cold Stunner to end the match. I climbed up a chair and had some audience members throw cans of Budweiser and proceeded to chug both cans down the hatch. Never got called by ref and he joined me in chugging a beer.
As the ref, I can confirm
As one of the audience who threw budweiser at you, i can confirm.
Give me a hell yeah!
As the can of Budweiser that was thrown at you, I can confirm
As the clerk at the corner store that illegally sold you beer…I can confirm.
Aside from the slam at the end This match reminded me of Alex Marinelli versus Vincenzo Joseph’s battles back in their collegiate days
bro that’s not even illegal
Right I thought as long as your knees hit the mat before slamming your oppennet it wasn't illegal
@@gamesforfun3680 You thought wrong.
@@flowingafterglow629 indeed, all day everyday😂
@@gamesforfun3680 even if he knees landed first it’s still illegal because he brought him down forcefully to the mat. Right call.
Locked hands right?
i was expecting at least half of them to pull a wrestling slam on them when they caught them 😭
Since when did wrestlers get cheerleaders??? I missed out.
A whole team of cheerleaders for 1 guy lol
In Iowa and places where wrestling is really popular they have cheerleaders for wrestling
On s en passe facilement.
Cheerleaders or students never went to matches the room stunk up by wrestlers bo way to much. I refused to wrestle because of it. I beat almost every wrestler on team. Except the hvwt. The guy who outweighed me by over a 110 lbs. Couldnt beat or pin me.
@@randallmatsumoto6573 sure bud
Dude felt the chiropractor on that slam
That ref should read the rule book....the player on the offense(the one tossing) hits his knees before the other wrestler (the one getting tossed) hits the mat. Therefore making this 100% legal and should have been stopped because of a pin not anything else.
No where in nfhs nor ncaa rules does it stipulate that knees hitting first rules our a slam. Absolutely no where.
So, who needs to read a rule book, rook?
@@jimbrock387 knees were the first point of contact that's why I said knees but you are correct it doesn't say knees it says must contact the mat before his opponent so thanks for the need for clarification, I guess there is always a douce like you that can't just leave people be to their comments and post your own....
He wore the double kneepads knowing he'd hit this.
I like how theres always those one old ladies that think they know what there talking about
There's usually more than 1. Dad's too
in folkstyle when you hear the crowd go ohhhhhh, that's when you know there was an illegal throw
His soul temporarily left his body. 👻
Wrestling has changed. I know I'm old but damn- nobody would have questioned that when I wrestled.
shit dude that looks like that hurt
that looks like some chiropractic move you would do to crack your back
How tf did u comment this before yt shorts was a thing?
@@bigred6978lmao damn how’d u realize this 😭🤣
@@bigred6978 60> seconds videos recorded using a phone were automatically made shorts. or he just changed it to one idk
Bro thought this was freestyle for a sec
Got arrested for going 220 mph The world gone soft 😞
Why am i getting arrested for something so pity didn't even hurt anyone.
I think John Cena might call this kid for pointers
homie just fuckin jumped into the air onto his back and Tori gets called for slamming. sheesh, freestyle lookin like soccer.
It’s only a “slam” if he returns the opponent without control, which he had full control, making it legal
Illegal slams are the best ones
Ultra Greco instincts kicked in😂
Why did dude kick his legs up like that😂
because it saved him from getting stuck
What makes it illegal. Dude slammed him about as soft as someone could
That called a suplex
No it ain't
Bro I thought he snapped his neck with that sound
Kid did it to himself
It doesn't help when the guy getting thrown, throws his legs toward his head. Which gave the throw more velocity and the hampered ability to safely land.
I felt this....😬😬
Bro was locking hands like how did the referee not see that
That’s illegal nowadays… Good grief.
When I grew up cheer leaders weren't allowed near a mat unless we had a cramp
Coach: suplex that weak mf
Wrestler: but sir, this is ill-
Coach: you have a problem with that?!
Wrestler: no Sensei
Coach: no mercy
“Finish Him!!!…”
Bro was tired of that cheer
That’s legal
Ehhh..... maybe
No way.....that's a slam.
@@kurtsloop2462 you slam I wresting 😂
@@marquisparson8731 wtf did that mean?
@@kurtsloop2462 read it agian, You slam in wrestling 😂 you get that
His leg was so high in the air, it’s an invitation for a throw. He needs to sit his center of gravity ass down
Comment section in 90% of slam videos: Bro that’s not even illegal
I know I ain’t the only one that heard that crack
Bruh it’s leagal he landed on his back/ Neck if he landed on his head it would have been but that looked fine to me
The rules state that any forceful slam is illegal in folk style wrestling… I thought the same things you did but after reading the rules I realized that it is actually illegal
No it’s legal the other kids knees made contact with the ground before the other kid even touch’s the mat
@@ChunkyLover420 Thank you for reading the rule book and not just making things up like the others are doing.
@@R1CHMAX Can you please refer to the section of the rule book that states this?
7-1-1 says that a slam is lifting an opponent off the mat and returning them with unnecessary force. It says nothing about knees touching down.
@@flowingafterglow629 because that’s not part of the rule. Even if knees touch first it’s still illegal because he brought him down forcefully to the mat. The same would be if they were in top/bottom position you could still bring someone down forcefully and it’s illegal.
Neither one of them knew wtf they were doing
Illegal or not getting yoked up like that sucks. Hope you made a full recovery.
doubt he was injured
It was not that bad. I am a austrian wrestler and we do that in fights last training we trained this. One of my friends took 5 way worse throws onto his neck and eben with almost no experience he didnt get hurt.
@@reetusmeatus9096check the description, it says he suffered a severe concussion and his doctor said he will probably have to be done with high contact sports 😢
@@reetusmeatus9096check the description, it says he suffered a severe concussion and his doctor said he will probably have to be done with high contact sports 😢
Go watch figure skating ⛸️ and hem-up a dress you weak genetic defect libtard.
I wouldn't call that a slam. I have slammed guys harder than that but maybe wrestling rules have changed since the late 90s.
It sounded like he cracked something.
As long as you hit the mat first, it's perfectly legal. Too add. That was a touch pin. Match is over by fall..
This is collegiant, the guy that made the throws knee has to touch the mat first
Touch fall doesn’t exist in high school. If you drop your opponent on their head and neck like that the match will almost always be stopped as this level, whether or not it is strictly illegal. You claim to be an olympic coach, shouldn’t you know that?
@@holographer you are wrong.
@@craigmeyers9137 you have to get a better hobby. Lying on the internet, especially about a topic you know nothing about, is so pathetic. It’s transparent and sad when you don’t do your research before you start making things up.
@@holographer okay, you certainly are a liberal Democrat. I just told you the exact same thing. IT'S IN THE RULE BOOK PAL! Game over TROLL. Watch the video you fake wanna be ref... the ref never called potentially dangerous or anything. He stopped the match, because it was over!!! By fall....
A slam must be controlled.
Im that instance, it wasn't. He actually put a lot of force into the slam, making it worse.
As a wrestling official for ten years yeah that’s illegal.
can you please explain it to me in detail?
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I know nothing of wrestling but I have an idea of why it was illegal and why other people see it as legal but I wanted to hear the opinion of a professional official
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 I’ve wrestled for awhile so I know the rules but pretty much you can’t return your opponent to the mat with accelerated force In high school. And with where he landed on his upper back/neck area that would be illegal or potentially dangerous. Most of the times would be called illegal.
Wrong and if you called this a slam at our school you’d never be invited back to referee again! Please tell me you do not ref anymore?!
@@fkya206 it's an illegal mat return all day long.
As long as you hit the mat first. It's perfectly legal. That was perfectly legal, and a touch pin. Match over by fall. Get in your rule book. Being a nationally certified wrestling coach and alternate Olympic coach, I know I'm right...
Funny how a slam is illegal in wrestling...i mean
Come on.
bro he got a concussion and probably wont be in any contact sports ever again. Wrestling isn't about sending your opponent to the hospital
Why not intentionally use slams that break people's necks, in that case. If that's legal and did it, you'd definitely win
Cheerleaders for wrestling… I would just leave the event right then and there. That has to be annoying during a match I can barely hear my coach enough.
Perfectly legal. Knee hit first.
That's what i think happen Mark, it was good timing.
That’s not how that works if you pick up an opponent they have to be safely returned to the matt
People act like if your power bomb your opponent it is legal if your knee touches first. It is a lot more nuanced than that lmao.
Legal in all 50 states. Except junior high an youth... infact, the match was over by fall...
@@craigmeyers9137 time to retire from refereeing and coaching Craig. Sad, but now you’re just making things up!
Ive never heard cheerleaders or have been to a meet or tournament with cheerleaders in my whole life.
That was fine... weak weak society
Could’ve ended a lot worse if he landed on his head. Just preventing that from happening. That’s why the match was stopped.
I have seen a similar illegal wrestling slam, and all the ref all he did was blow his whistle. At least this ref did something.
so many people in comments who obviously never wrestled a day in there life
Or don’t do folkstyle and their like I do that all the time
@@Evnvydrunks in their 40s who like to watch kids paralyze other kids “what’s illegal about this?”
I thought the cheerleaders footstep was his neck cracking💀
Red singlet needs to work on his overhooks. The way Black was pushing forward with underhooks, Red could’ve hit an inside trip. If they don’t land on their back, transition to a different takedown or keep a whizzer to put you in position for a better set up of events.
I’ve never seen cheer leaders at a wrestling game
I think that this was legal, it wasn’t over the back, it just looked like a regular mat return to me, just straight to their back.
So that’s why the prices went up. GOLLY!
Cool pinning combo, but only a fish is letting that be done to them
This isn’t even illegal. Both his knees landed prematurely to his opponent.
Guy also didn't land on his neck, he rolled up and tucked his chin (first day of judo technique)
That's 100% legal is every style of wrestling. It just looks awkward.
Red had a lot of room to leg sweep to prevent that
I thought that first clap from the cheer leaders was dude’s neck popping
If he had trapped the arm it would have been illegal. But that was completely legal.
Back when I wrestled we never got penalized for hard slams, only slams landing on head/neck
Exactly.
Bro turned even whiter
HOLD ON I THINK I WAS AT THIA MEET!!1!
Wait. Cheerleaders at a wrestling event? What the flying?
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been illegal if the kid didnt jump into it
Is that at Sitka
I was going to say, that’s a Greco style body lock, still good technique though.
He made full contact all the way through=legal
You have to return them to the mat safely. It's the refs judgment call. I would have called that a slam.
He jumped up and slammed his opponent on the top of his spine=not legal.
We aren’t trying to get children paralyzed dipshit
It’s illegal on because the wrestler in control is supposed to hit the mat first.
I feel so bad for him and the thing is I am getting into wrestling today
I don't know why they would stop that when his knees were down and he landed the opponent on his shoulder blades. No reason to stop that pin.
bro this is literally reight next to my school.
And that is what we call a fish. That dude is clueless and just muscling and flopping around till something works lol.
That was a finishing move
I don’t know why that’s a slam. I thought he took him to the mat pretty safely
Kid jumped into it lol. He slammed himself.
the only thing illegal about this are the people who think it is.
good mini throw, i think folkstyle rules are a little too protective
Folk style is usually used for kids and high school that's why they are so protective they don't want any permanent damage to them.
How we use to use that back in 95